BYU, Utah football: Best. Matchup. Ever.

(This time, we really mean it)

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  • Overrated
    Nov. 21, 2008 12:48 p.m.

    Utah will probably beat BYU. That will put them in a BCS game, and at that time, they will get exposed. They have played weak teams all year, often winning close games, and the type of team they will get in a BCS game will be much better than anyone they've faced yet. I'm a BYU fan, but I'm also realistic, and BYU isn't that good. They've played a weak schedule, and they got worked by the only good team they've played so far. Not only that, but the "good" team--TCU--isn't all that good. Maybe BYU gets lucky and pulls off the upset, but they probably won't. They'll get to play a bad Pac-10 team, whom they'll beat, and they'll get a lot of money from the Utes BCS appearance. So to me, it's a win-win for the Cougars. They get to win, get money from the Utes, and watch Utah get humiliated in a bowl game. Not bad.

  • SLC to NOLA
    Nov. 21, 2008 11:18 a.m.

    re: die hard cougar fan | 8:38 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008

    >>Byu willwin. By alot. It's really a no-brainer here. I mean c'mon, seriously.
    utah utes- 23 :) :) :) GO COUGS!!!!

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 21, 2008 11:16 a.m.

    re: re:Best High School Game Ever | 5:43 a.m. Nov. 17, 2008

    >>North Carolina, and Maryland--grrrrrr!! (top of the big bad ACC) So what if Maryland lost to Middle Tennessee St.

  • Earl
    Nov. 20, 2008 10:26 p.m.

    Weber state vs Utah was a better game, the Utes will blow the bible college out of the stadium.

    Nov. 20, 2008 2:32 p.m.

    Is this game going to be nationally televised on a non-cable station.

    I want to watch BYU trounce 'em

    Go Cougars

  • Ute Nazi
    Nov. 20, 2008 9:48 a.m.

    Sorry Utah, no BCS bowl (of soup) for you. Apologies to Seinfeld.

    All of us Boise fans thank BYU in advance for their stunning upset of the mighty Utes.

    We will see both of you several times over the next few seasons.

  • die hard cougar fan
    Nov. 20, 2008 8:38 a.m.

    Byu will win. They have tons of big playmakers on both sides of the ball. And Utah doesn't. Byu is better in every category except maybe rushing. Let's not forget Byu beat Wyoming, Air Force, and some other team alot worse than Utah did. Utah is way overrated. They haven't beaten anyone good with the exception of Tcu. Byu willwin. By alot. It's really a no-brainer here. I mean c'mon, seriously.
    utah utes- 23 :) :) :) GO COUGS!!!!

  • What Cougars?
    Nov. 19, 2008 5:20 p.m.

    One Word: UNDEFEATED. I don't know why people are predicting such a close game. The Utes own the MWC and theyll send the little kitties crying home to Provo. I predict a good massacre and lots of blue blood. GO UTES!

  • Spudman
    Nov. 18, 2008 9:39 p.m.

    The Utes will fall to the Cougars and the Broncos will get the BCS. The Utes couldn't beat the Broncos in 2005 and could not do so this year either.

  • re: John Beck Alex Smith
    Nov. 18, 2008 6:51 p.m.

    It is sad that both QB's got stuck on awful teams. They threw Beck in after trading their best reciever and their RB got injured. Then after the season they bring in Parcells who has a bad habit of recycling QB's he coached on previous teams.

    Alex was just on a bad team with an awful coach, new offensive cord each year and an awful Oline, not saying that he is great or will be but I don't think Steve Young or Joe Montana would of had success on that team. Hopefully he recovers from his injury and has a productive career. If former MWC Qb's do good in the pros it should help with recruiting and making our conference stronger.

    Nov. 18, 2008 6:25 p.m.

    What's black and white and red all over? BYU will be wearing all white to offset the UTEs black look. The answer is RES!

  • How is Utah doing it?
    Nov. 18, 2008 4:04 p.m.

    It's the new uniforms, stupid. The TDS failed miserably with the new look. Can you imagine what UnderArmour is thinking right now? Get our sales rep down to Provo ASAP. If byu wants to know what they look like, tune into National TV for the Sugar Bowl.

    Go Utes.

  • John Beck and Alex Smith
    Nov. 18, 2008 3:12 p.m.

    Why don't we also bring up Joe Hodges from way back when...
    I don't actually know if that's a real person, the point is why bring up players that don't even matter in this game. Both quarterbacks are good and if they're lucky will get traded somewhere else where they have a line to block for them and receivers to throw to.
    Beck's team is actually doing well this year, but that isn't just because they have Chad Pennington. They revamped a lot of the team.
    Alex Smith's team just sucks. Even though the quarterback changes from week to week, the constants remain: he's going to get sacked... a lot, the receivers are going to drop balls... a lot, and he's going to get injured.
    Stick with the game at hand.

  • Ute Fan Rips Urban??
    Nov. 18, 2008 11:33 a.m.

    To Re: Alex Smith,

    You wrote: "your right Alex is no steve young, he didn't have the benefit of learning from a legendary coach, playing behind and learning from the greatest qb to play the game and didn't have the greatest wr to throw to on team loaded with talent on both ends of the ball."

    This is one of the most mature posts ever written by a Ute fan. I'm duly impressed.

    LaVell Edwards, Jim McMahon and Gordon Hudson thank you for remembering their contribution to those glorious Cougar teams of the mid-1980s.

    I wholeheartedly concur -- although I think you might consider cutting Urban Meyer a little slack, he is at least able to compete for a national championship now that he's at Florida. At least he recongnized that only LaVell was able to achieve that from a non-BCS league.

  • Dion in CA
    Nov. 18, 2008 9:28 a.m.

    C'mon folks, let's get real here. All these comments are as if you are (or think you are) professional coaches. Yeah right....

    I'm a Utah Graduate, and both a Ute and Cougar fan! Why is that so hard? Both schools represent the great state of Utah period.

    It really would have been excellent if BYU had not lost to TCU, but they did unfortunately. However, here we have a very simple decision to make. A Ute win solidifies a solid BCS birth, and a good bowl for BYU as well. A BYU win takes it all away. As much as I love BYU too, it is a simple choice, this year Utah must win, and win BIG. Utah playing Alabama, Texas, or Texas Tech would allow the Mountain West (and BYU) to get the respect they deserve. Let's make it happen Utes! What a battle to watch.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 18, 2008 7:28 a.m.

    to:re: Yep,thatsKylewiththehurtin't

    Point being, that both teams outplayed common opponents on both sides.

    Utah's cry is TCU, but there are others.

    And BYU played better against some teams also.

    Neither team can honestly predict a win.

    There are scenarios that favor BYU, and some that favor Utah.

    Unfortunately for Utah, it has to be played on the field, not in each fans own mind.

    This one is up for grabs.

    I do think Austin Collie will play out of his head, have a career game, and Utah fans are going to have to suck it up and deal with it.

  • Hmm
    Nov. 18, 2008 3:24 a.m.

    All these comments about other stadiums hospitality. All I know know is that i've never seen a half full beer can thrown at someone at LES, only at RES. You Yewts are pathetic. Own up to your redneck ways.
    PS it's pretty sad when your team's best player is a kicker.

  • TCU
    Nov. 18, 2008 1:19 a.m.

    TCU 32 BYU 7 Nuff Said!! TCU thinks BYU is a big joke and so do i ha ha ha

  • Re: Alex Smith
    Nov. 18, 2008 12:39 a.m.

    When Steve Young played for Tampa Bay he had terrible numbers because the team was pathetic. Young inherited a championship caliber team when he stepped in to replace Joe Montana. Immediately his numbers improved and he turned into a hall of famer.

    If Alex Smith were given the same opportunity, his numbers would improve dramatically. I'm not saying Alex Smith is as good as Steve Young, he isn't, but he would be a solid quarterback.

    Cougar fans need to lighten up. Alex Smith is a great young man who will improve over time.

    To: Chuck Norris.... you crack me up! The Y and U have several more common opponents where the U's numbers are better (UNLV, CSU, SDSU, USU) but you fail to mention those games! You forgot one more in favor for the Y, the Wyoming game. But really, who cares about those games? The only game that matters will be played on Saturday.

    This rivalry is fun but let's try to keep our comments with a little more class.

    Go Utes!!

  • AK Cougar
    Nov. 18, 2008 12:30 a.m.

    Good night all. The past reading was great entertainment and mubh better than TV.

    Saturday's game will be one of the great ones. Utah certainly has more to lose and BYU has only the game on the line. Either way, they miss the LV Bowl for the conference champs and go to a better bowl.

    BYU by 3, 24-21.

  • RE: Alex Smith
    Nov. 18, 2008 12:27 a.m.

    your right Alex is no steve young, he didn't have the benefit of learning from a legendary coach, playing behind and learning from the greatest qb to play the game and didn't have the greatest wr to throw to on team loaded with talent on both ends of the ball. Why don't you look back at Youngs Tampa Bay years and see what playing with a team with no talent gets you.

  • re: Let us not forget
    Nov. 17, 2008 11:25 p.m.

    Wrong year. We're going to have a repeat of 2004, not 2006 or 2007.

  • re: Oh Please
    Nov. 17, 2008 11:18 p.m.

    I disagree about USC and Alabama. Texas, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma are definitely not on my list of BCS hopeful match-ups! Alabama has won only two ranked teams, Georgia and LSU. LSU almost lost to TROY! Georgia has won only one ranked team, LSU. Alabama has almost lost to Mississippi, KY, and LSU. They are going to be whipped by Florida! USC lost to Oregon State. There conference wins are over a PAC 10 conference that the MWC beat 6-1. They have only one ranked win which is Ohio State. Ohio State is sooo overrated it isn't funny. They have only beaten one ranked team which is Michigan State. I think Utah could handle USC.

  • Ernest T. Bass
    Nov. 17, 2008 11:14 p.m.

    I'm just saying byu's secondary may be there best unit and they've dominated this year. Great tackling. Grate speed.
    Austin Collie should change his name to Awesome Collie.
    Pita is good to.
    Max Hall will be the favorite to win the Hizeman next year.
    byu will win by lots of points.

  • Alex Smith
    Nov. 17, 2008 11:08 p.m.

    Is no Steve Young. Never will be, don't blame the offensive line.

  • re: Prediction
    Nov. 17, 2008 11:02 p.m.

    Wrong year to base that prediction. Try a score like the one in 2004. That's what you will see as Utah gets its 2nd BCS invite!

  • re: RE: RE: Yep
    Nov. 17, 2008 10:59 p.m.

    Alex Smith would be one of the best QBs in the NFL if he had an offensive line. Steve Young had to retire because he was getting his bell rung too many times as a QB for the 49ers because they had no offensive line, and it has only gotten worse since then!

  • Ute in Sacramento
    Nov. 17, 2008 10:54 p.m.

    Oregon State defeated USC, Utah defeated Oregon State, Utah is 11-0 all sounds pretty impressive to me. Go Utes

  • re: JMT
    Nov. 17, 2008 10:43 p.m.

    Considering the caliber of the shutouts versus the other games, I think it is obvious the "no secondary" defense will show up, and Utah will kick butt!

  • re: Yep,thatsKylewiththehurtin't
    Nov. 17, 2008 10:37 p.m.

    Your comments are so ignorant, they don't deserve a response, but here goes:

    WY - Many Y fans like to think this means the U's offense can't perform, but they miss one big issue. The U's offense can't run up any yards while the score is being ran up by the defense! Example: WY runs down the field 4o yards, and then coughs up the ball and we move it down to the 10. That means our offense can only score 10 yards of offense, and then WY gets the ball back. Looks like our offense did nothing, but we scored and they didn't. You also miss the point that we played that game in WY with a bad wind that reduced the pass options.

    TCU - Utah won, BYU lost badly!
    Oregon State - Utah won. I don't care what you say about the PI, they make up part of the game, and we won. By the way, it wouldn't have been close if we didn't spot them 13 in turnovers.

    Colorado State, UNLV, San Diego State, TCU - Utah played and beat by larger margins than BYU!

    2-0: # of ranked teams Utah has won versus BYU.

  • Jarid in Cedar
    Nov. 17, 2008 10:33 p.m.

    BYU fan at 5:44

    " is surprising to see how overconfident the ute fans are.knowing it is a rivalry game all bets are off....."

    Same can be said about many of the BYU fans who arepredicting a pasting.

    That said...The game "generally" ends up close when one of the teams is favored heavily (think 2003, 2006)....and the game ends more comfortably when we think it will be a nail biter (think 1996) The only game that lived to the hype of 2 good teams was 1994.
    Utah will be favored (5 points was the initial line). Given that home field is generally worth 4 points in vegas lines this game would be a pick 'em on a neutral field.

    Utes 38 BYU 28 with Utah surging to an early lead and holding on at the end (ala 2005)

  • re: Excuses
    Nov. 17, 2008 10:22 p.m.

    Please! Sakoda has shown time and time again he can kick under pressure, but Utah is going to kill BYU just like they did in 2004. Sorry, but no BCS for you BYU!

  • re: Utah Overrated
    Nov. 17, 2008 10:19 p.m.

    Wow! By your reasoning, Florida doesn't belong in the top 10. The best team they've beaten is #11, Georgia. The only other ranked team they've won is LSU. They also lost to unranked Mississippi. Yet, many think they will play for the championship. USC lost to Oregon State who very well may be the PAC 10 champion. Who has USC beaten but Ohio State? Speaking of which, who has Ohio State beaten that is currently ranked other than Michigan State? Michigan State will be ranked lower than TCU and Oregon State after next week, and they have yet to beat a ranked team. How about # 11, Georgia? The only ranked team they've won is LSU who almost lost to Troy, and is rightfully ranked lower than BYU and TCU. How about Missouri, Ball State, Cincinnati,Pitt,NC, Miami & Oregon who have yet to beat a ranked team! #12 Oklahoma State has only beaten Missouri. You might be able to argue that Penn State belongs ahead of Utah, but Penn State's only two ranked wins are Ohio State and Oregon State. Utah has beaten Oregon State, and TCU. The BCS computers put Utah at 4th for a reason! GO UTAH!!

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 17, 2008 10:01 p.m.

    "Anonymous | 9:16 p.m.
    all loyalties aside...
    doesn't it make sense for Utah to win this weekend...
    That would bring BYU (as a team from the conference of a BCS bowl team) MORE money than winning the joke of the las vegas bowl game!"

    I think BYU has done quite well when it comes to endowments. $1, while it is not pocket change, will not make a huge impact on BYU.
    Also, BYU as a shot at BCS after beating Utah.

    Now, the 8 million would help.

  • dotyman
    Nov. 17, 2008 10:00 p.m.

    Okay, I've been a loyal Cougar fan for a long time, but I will be amazed if the Cougs can even keep this close. I predict a Utah win by 3+ touchdowns. This Cougar team got too full of themselves during their bye week, and haven't looked like a top 25 team ever since. Even so, I'll say it just as heartily as ever, Go Cougs!

  • Why is BYU called the Y?
    Nov. 17, 2008 9:56 p.m.

    April 1906 - The plans to construct the BYU on the mountain were begun. Professor Ernest D. Partridge was assigned to conduct a survey and designed the emblem. When this was complete, a line of high school and university students, and some faculty, passed buckets of lime, sand, and rocks up the mountain in order to fill up the letters. After six hours of hard labor, only the Y had been completed, so the filling in of the remaining two letters was postponed and later abandoned.

    The large white Y on the side of the mountain has become the nationally recognized insignia for BYU and the reason why BYU is often called "the Y". It is made of concrete and is 380 feet high and 130 feet wide (116 by 40 m). No other college in the United States has a larger symbol, in fact, the Y is even larger than the letters in the "Hollywood sign" in California.

    That is Why it is caled the "Y".

  • football chick
    Nov. 17, 2008 9:51 p.m.

    i think that this is the best game... after all both teams have wanted if more then ever and think that they can have. Go Cougs.

  • re: Anonymous | 9:16 p.m.
    Nov. 17, 2008 9:24 p.m.

    So, you are entitled to the game.

    I'd rather just beat you down, like what was intended from the start of season and get our BCS money the old fashioned way, by earning it.

    It's in our grasp. Why not just take it?

    We're BYU Football. We have class, self respect. That is the way we do things.

    Utah is so familiar with taking handouts, they don't see it as a lack of respect, they see it as an entitlement,

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 17, 2008 9:16 p.m.

    all loyalties aside...
    doesn't it make sense for Utah to win this weekend...
    That would bring BYU (as a team from the conference of a BCS bowl team) MORE money than winning the joke of the las vegas bowl game!

  • Chuck Norris
    Nov. 17, 2008 9:01 p.m.

    Reply to:"BYU BCS Bowl Week
    Welcome to your BCS bowl week, Cougar fans!! Good luck!!"

    That would give the Utes 2 BCS bowls to your ZERO."

    How many times has Utah's game against BYU been Utah's last game, their "Bowl Game".

    BYU will come out of this, win or lose, just fine. Utah, a different story. Talk about hate. Pre-TCU, BYU will never make BCS, and now Utes are entitled? I don't tink so. Utah has so much to gain, and we all know how BJ plays in pressure games. Utah is good, but are they BYU good?

    And help me with your Utah math. If Utah does win, and gets a BCS Bowl, how many BCS Bowls equal a NC, trophy, banner and all?

    One more quick question, most BYU fans refer to Utah as the U of U, Utes, etc. Why the need for all the immature zoobies, bubble, kitty cats, kitty litter, etc.

    If BYU fans treat you civil, with common courtesy, why the need to go all Third Grade in your posts? Can we ask for a little respects from our brothers to the North. When the game is over, I'll still be cheering for both-teams.

  • Come on..
    Nov. 17, 2008 8:39 p.m.

    RE: all ute fans: Come up with something new, you have posted the same thing twice on this article alone, and I have seen it on other articles as well. As much as I dislike the typical Y fan, a Ute troll is worse.

    RE: Re: Re: Seen it hahahaha | 8:09 p.m. Nov. 17, 2008 The other guy was not referring to the medical professions, that would not be good, too much time serving the population, too much time away from family. Now a PhD in Ballroom dancing is another story.

  • Hey BYU hater
    Nov. 17, 2008 8:13 p.m.

    You forgot to read the last page.

    BYU 52

    utah 17

    And the utes fans cried in sorrow.

    The end.

    True Utah Hater!

  • Re: Re: Seen it hahahaha
    Nov. 17, 2008 8:09 p.m.

    Are YOU serious? Really?!?! I don't think you want to compare educations, homes, cars, jobs, etc., with me. FYI, I chose to pursue a career in the medical field. Obviously the U. of Utah was the best local choice. I didn't apply at your school.

    As for pointing fingers only at Ute fans, it may be YOU that is pathetic and ignorant. You see, fans are fans. Both schools have good fans and bad fans.

    Perhaps you aren't aware that the majority of Utah Ute fans are "boring Mormons like the people from Provo". Your generalizations paint you into a corner. My advice would be to think prior to pressing "Add your comment".

    Go Utes!!

  • RE: Seen it hahahahaha
    Nov. 17, 2008 7:41 p.m.

    Are you serious? Really? Bash the BYU education? What are you like many Ute fans who decided to get bitter towards BYU when your multiple applications to BYU were denied?

    Claiming that Ute fans aren't rude to visiting Cougar fans is nothing short of pathetic. I have been to BYU-Utah game in RES, and been called all kinds of horrible things and even had a coke thrown at me. So save it. Ute fans love to do all kinds of crap to prove they aren't boring Mormons like the people from Provo.

  • Mike
    Nov. 17, 2008 7:29 p.m.

    Check out Bryson Kearl's article about the rivalry. He writes for Square Magazine, and he makes some really good points, even though he is blatantly biased towards BYU.

  • Ute Fan
    Nov. 17, 2008 7:28 p.m.

    why can't you cougies just shut up you always post on these and talk trash. We all know if all depends on who shows up to play we know it you know it now admit it

  • Loukes
    Nov. 17, 2008 7:16 p.m.

    Remember the "Wild Hog" formation TCU used with their fast receiver? Utah has a quarterback that is just as fast in corbin louks. I wouldn't be surprised if loukes gets a few more snaps this saturday.

  • "Seen It" hahahahahaha
    Nov. 17, 2008 7:13 p.m.

    Hey "Seen It":

    I can tell you received your education from byu so I'll use small words so you will understand this message.

    I guess you are saying you "seen it" at RES and LES?

    I have been a season ticket holder for 25 years at the U of U and have never witnessed any attacks of other teams fans in our stadium. I can say that the worst fans are definately from Wyoming and from BYU. Wyoming fans are rude and generally out of control. Kewger fans are generally a combination of ignorant, rude and arrogant.

    Although I have always entered LES with respect to the other team's fans and school, I have been abused simply by wearing my school's team colors.

    Please don't make yourselves look even more foolish by making general statements that all Ute fans drink alcohol, launch verbal attacks and start fights. The same goes on at your university! I have a good buddy who takes his flask of alcohol to every byu game as he has season tickets and is a huge kewger fan.

    Last years assult of an innocent Ute fan at LES was proof that fans are fans in different colors.

  • BYU BCS Bowl Week
    Nov. 17, 2008 7:07 p.m.

    Welcome to your BCS bowl week, Cougar fans!! Good luck, little brother!!

    Honestly, at one time I could not imagine Cougar fans obsessing over and hating the Utes more than they already do. But if Utah wins on Saturday, that obsession and hatred will be OFF THE CHARTS!! That would give the Utes 2 BCS bowls to your ZERO.

    This week will most likely be the closest the Cougs ever get to a BCS bowl.

    GO UTES!!

  • To All Ute Fans:
    Nov. 17, 2008 6:45 p.m.

    You better watch your mouth or it will get popped this saturday

  • Utah Fan
    Nov. 17, 2008 6:35 p.m.

    I'm sorry I made all those comments last year about Austin Collie now.

    I hope he doesn't take all of those statements I made and twist them to make him focus and take it out on my team.

    If he beats Utah again, because of me, I take all the blame.

    I know he forgives me in my heart, and will not take it out on the Utah football program. We need the BCS money, because it is embarassing having this big stadium built for the Olympics, only to have it fill up on a regular basisbecause BYU has all of the fans.

    We need the money to have the seats taken out because when we start losing again, I hate sitting in a empty stadium.

  • ????
    Nov. 17, 2008 6:28 p.m.

    no denying this is going to be a great game. I'm not a big fan of either team. one question though.....why do they call it the Y?

  • Chuck Norris
    Nov. 17, 2008 6:12 p.m.

    "To: Mike Buys | 5:45 p.m. Nov. 17, 2008
    I'm a Coug alum, and love the blue. But I have to agree with you, we just don't match up this year. I'd be very surprised, if the boys in blue win this year."

    I have watched BYU and Utah all year long. BYU is 10-1, BCS ranking 14. Utah is 11-0, BCS ranking 7.

    BYU was beat by TCU. Utah needed two 4th quarter FG misses by TCU' freshman kicker from 30 yards to win. NOT blocked FGs, but missed.

    BYU beat UNM 21-3, Utah squeaked by 13-10. BYU beat AFA 38-24, Utah won by a TD, 30-23.

    I don't care how blue you are, or red. If you are surprised if BYU beats Utah, you are not a college football fan. If anyone thinks either team is overrated, they are not college football fans.

    Neither team can really claim homefield advantage in these rivalry games. Neither team travels, and both teams sleep at home the night before the game. BYU can go through their pre-game strategy in their own team room.

    I won't be surprised if either team wins. Utah is -6 1/2. Take BYU and the spread.

  • CA
    Nov. 17, 2008 6:08 p.m.

    As a faithful Ute for many years during the GREAT the good and the bad times my BYU friends have all ways preached to me to support for what is best for the conference. So what is best for the conference? Utah in BCS bowl game? Or a loss to BYU? It seems to me every one should want the Utes to win and go BCS bowl busting but then again the shoe is on the other foot.. Its Utahs turn and their on top with everything to gain and build the conference. isnt time to put your money where your mouth is?
    Go Utes it our year again!!!!!

  • bubblefans
    Nov. 17, 2008 6:05 p.m.

    Hey all you fans that live in a bubble. Ya that is you BYU fans. Let me tell you some stats that you need to be aware of. You have all been lulled to sleep by Tom Holmoe and Bronco Mendenhall. BYU has not played a top 10 team since 2002. So their record looks real good to you all but in reality they are just a good Mountain West Conference team. They played a 23rd ranked TCU team this year and got crushed. As of 2 weeks ago, BYU's apponents that they had beaten had a combined record of 19 wins and 43 loses. Not a hard schedule. But now they get #8 Utah. Let's see how good they really are.

  • Haunyocker
    Nov. 17, 2008 5:59 p.m.

    If the prediction is for a high scoring 45 to 38 affair, it will be 7 to 3. If you're predicting a low scoring game it'll be a blow out. The truth is all bets are off in a rivalry game. Prediction: Sorenson kicks a last second 55 yarder to win by 2. Cougs wins.

    Nov. 17, 2008 5:51 p.m.

    HEy fool,

  • Seen It
    Nov. 17, 2008 5:50 p.m.

    re:Mr. BYU

    I have seen many Holy Wars since 1970, at both stadiums.

    I do feel comfortable taking mt wife and Children to LES. I think the Haka, the cougar growl, the judgemental looks and the popcorn song are all stupid, but safe.

    I would NEVER, as a husband and father, subject them to the antics of RES, the inebriated, foul moth, cheap-shotting Ute fans, Smacking people from behind, stumbling out like real men. I didn't "read it in the paper so it's true", I watched and heard. I would feel much safer in a Biker Bar in Barstow than RES.

    Maybe over where the Utah season ticket holders sit it's different, but sitting in the BYU seats, it's downright ugly.

    So don't be painting it in you fairytale red Ute minds differently. It is what it is. Ute fans are what they are.

    Instead of suggesting that it is different than it is, just do your best to try to change the culture and reputation of the Ute fans.

  • To: Mike Buys
    Nov. 17, 2008 5:45 p.m.

    I'm a Coug alum, and love the blue. But I have to agree with you, we just don't match up this year. I'd be very surprised, if the boys in blue win this year.

  • byu fan
    Nov. 17, 2008 5:44 p.m.

    both byu and utah have their fair share of bonehead fans. but as previous posters have noted there definitely seems to be a lot more anger and hatred amongst some of the ute fans. i have seen it myself and it is borderline absurd. after all, it is a game. maybe too much to drink?

    who cares about the bcs. we need to win this game on principal alone. wanting utah to win to bring the mountain west respect? no way. any true byu fan, or utah fan for that matter, would want their team to win the holy war.

    it is surprising to see how overconfident the ute fans are. knowing it is a rivalry game all bets are off. if i were the utes i would be a little concerned. so much too lose. don't be surprised if you end up in new mexico or san diego.

    just my thoughts.

  • RE Best High School Game Ever
    Nov. 17, 2008 5:36 p.m.

    LES Stadium holds 65,000, RES holds 45,000.

    Which stadiums back east hold more than 110,000? Penn State's, which holds 107k, is the biggest in the country, and only Michigan, Ohio State and Tennessee are over 100,000. Hyperbole?

  • BYU FAN in MURtown
    Nov. 17, 2008 5:34 p.m.


    Harline is still open in the endzone
    Collie still open on 4th and 18



    Nov. 17, 2008 5:32 p.m.

    Man it isnt even going to be a close game.
    BYU is going to shut them out in the first half and end up creaming them in the 2nd half.
    The Score will be:
    BYU 38
    Utah 10


    Nov. 17, 2008 5:31 p.m.

    Boy, what a lot of snake spit. Look these are both excellent football teams. BYU is probably at some disadvantage being on the road and banged up pretty good from what I can see. But the people saying these teams are over rated simply speaks as a fan and not as someone who knows the game.

    Technically, both are sound in every aspect of the game. BOTH TEAMS commit errors. SLIGHT EDGE TO UTAH ON DEFENSE, SAME TO BYU ON OFFENSE.

    I watched Fui Vakapuna sandwith a TD run with two of the most boneheaded missed blocking assignments of all time. He is usually better. I watched Asiata make the same mistake twice against TCU. He's better most of the time too. Overall, these are consistent. They block, tackle, run, pass and play fundamentally as good as almost any other ranked program. They're appropriately ranked.


    The WINNER here should get the BCS invitation regardless of what BSU does. BSU has played nobody!

  • Long Time Cougar
    Nov. 17, 2008 5:29 p.m.

    The bottom line for how you're treated at each other's stadium depends on how you act while there.

    Some fans attend the rivalry game in the opponent's home field and deliberately stand up and taunt the home fans. For those people, they deserve what they get!

    If you are just cheering for their team and not taunting, they should be left alone!

    The problem is with alcohol involved at RES the likelihood of bad things happening there is MUCH higher, regardless of whether you're taunting or just cheering for your team!

  • I've changed my mind
    Nov. 17, 2008 5:25 p.m.

    after reading all of the great posts by byu fans, I now think that they are right.

    They have a huge national reputation that has nothing to do with that cult... opps, I mean religion.

    They are so much better than everyone else - not just the team but the people - just ask them, they will tell you. They live the right way.

    They have just as much tradition, if not more, than Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan, Georgia, Oklahoma, Florida, Penn State.....etc. etc.

    We are all lucky to have them and their fans in our conference and in our state.

  • Speed Kills Y fans
    Nov. 17, 2008 5:21 p.m.

    Utah has more speed, athletes, and oh yeah overall TEAM SPEED!! Remember what TCUs team speed did to your offense? expect more of the same in this game!! expect max hall to be on his back ALL NIGHT!!You Y fans that are going up to the game this week will see the fastest defense you have witnessed the Lady Cougs play all year!! Utah 28 BYU 17

  • Mr. BYU
    Nov. 17, 2008 5:20 p.m.

    OK, so I won't say NEVER. However, the classless Ute fans FAR outnumber the classless Cougar fans! I know, since I've been watching this rivalry in my adult years since 1978!

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 17, 2008 5:19 p.m.

    to:"To Ernest T. Bass | 3:15 p.m. Nov. 17, 2008
    Are you kidding me. How many points did you score on TCU, oh yeah 7, how many did you allow, 32."

    BYU vs TCU, while the Utah players were safely tucked in their beds, Utah played their greates game this season. Utah dominated the BYU team "through" TCU...

    Ute fans, quit hiding behind TCU's skirt and come out on the field.

    It's time to settle this, and it's not going to be done by the seven degrees of seperation of Kevin Bacon Ute logic...

    Head to head, can you handle it?

  • Long Time Cougar
    Nov. 17, 2008 5:17 p.m.

    Hey "Mr. Souble Standard", Do you mean to say BYU won the 1984 National title by a "hail mary" pass?

    If that's what you're saying, get your facts straight... the hail mary was thrown by Jim McMahon a different year. The QB for the 1984 season was Robbie Boscoe!

  • mormons talk trash
    Nov. 17, 2008 5:11 p.m.

    i have never seen such trash talkers in my life. why don't all you no-life people just pay your money and go watch the game and enjoy yourself and quit trash talking. If the Y wins great if the U wins great we are all utahns together win or lose. or maybe its the (mormons) good against the bad people??? nice guys finish last.

  • Ute Fan
    Nov. 17, 2008 5:09 p.m.

    This is the BIGGEST GAME EVER. In istory of games in College Football this game has gotta be in the top 5.

    Ever! ever! Ever. ever. ever. ever...

  • Sideline Joe
    Nov. 17, 2008 5:06 p.m.

    Well, I used to work the sidelines for WAC/MWC games, and I was at several BYU/Utah games. I heard terrible language (swearing) insluts that would make a sailor blush, and saw cheap shots all day long from BOTH sides.

    I was a little surprised at first until I realized that they are just football teams.

    BYU Football != LDS religion or values.

    I think it would do well for both sides to remember that.

  • Mike Buys
    Nov. 17, 2008 4:54 p.m.

    Biggest cougar homer ever. I love my cougars but I think Utah has way to much speed for the cougar defense. I go back to the Gifford Nielsen days and all the other great cougar QB's and teams. This is the 2nd best Ute team ever. I watch alot of college football and this BYU team in my humble opinion is maybe our 4th or 5th best team. We lack the speed at linebacker this year, and miss Brian Keele, and Brady Poppinga alot. We are weak on the edge this year. I think our only hope is Utah turns it over and we score off of thier turnovers. We have quick DB's but we have no pressure off of the edge like we did last year. Utah will expliot this. I can only hope Bronco gets Manti Teo, and Kyle Van Noy like says we may get both of them. They are big and fast and highly rated. Here's luck to the cougars because I think it will take some luck to beat them Saturday. I love the cougars but I don't see us being able to compete defensively, or being able to stop Utah's offense.

  • crowtonlover
    Nov. 17, 2008 4:43 p.m.

    BYU is supposed to be the doormats, do their job, and lose this game. They still go to the vegas bowl regardless and thats all they are good for, 10-2 and a vegas bowl zoobies.

  • Re: Mr. BYU
    Nov. 17, 2008 4:42 p.m.

    Never is a strong work, I was sitting in the middle of the cougar club section during the ice bowl (3-zip, remember?). I'm pretty sure the guy in blue next to me was not sipping kool-aide out of the flask in his pocket. Unless it was rancid and that is what made him puke (and yes he did get escorted out). Or is it not wrong if it is not in the open? Never say never.

  • To: Mr. BYU
    Nov. 17, 2008 4:39 p.m.

    I'm tired of hearing kewg fans making statements about verbal abuse and alcohol when speaking of Utah fans at RES. There are good fans and bad fans supporting both schools.

    Wasn't it last year when a kewg fan split a Ute fan's head open at LES? If I remember right the victim was a child. It was reported on the news so I know it happened.

    On my first visit to LES I remember being verbally attacked several times as I took my two young sons to our seats. Some of your fans made a nice initial impression on my sons. It goes both ways!

    The majority of Utah Ute fans are great people and so are the majority of kewg fans. To make a general statement putting Ute fans down is totally classless on your part.

    Perhaps you should experience RES sometime. I think you would be pleasantly surprised.

    Go Utes!!

  • crowtonlover
    Nov. 17, 2008 4:38 p.m.

    BYU isn't TCU they are tons worse, so UTAH should win this game easily.

  • Double standard
    Nov. 17, 2008 4:35 p.m.

    I love the TDS fans who talk about Utah getting lucky and barely beating OSU and TCU, but then also mention the '84 NC.

    So does it not count as as lucky win when you throw a "Hail Mary" in to the end zone if it's for a national championship... just curious?

  • Re: Dave from Midvale
    Nov. 17, 2008 4:29 p.m.

    You forget that the BCS only has to take one non-BCS conference team that qualifies. That's why in 2004 Boise State didn't make it in to a BCS even though they also ended the regular season undefeated (lost their bowl game though... PRETENDERS!).

    So win (honestly now...) or lose, BYU does not go to a BCS game.

  • BYU wins!
    Nov. 17, 2008 4:26 p.m.

    BYU by 14

  • Hey Yep
    Nov. 17, 2008 4:25 p.m.

    Where is the first round pick Alex yewt??

  • Ute Fan 2004
    Nov. 17, 2008 4:15 p.m.

    Utah is the goodest team in the state. Bryanne Johnson will run over the Cougar defense all day long. Our players are really fast and strong. We are smart. We can run. See us run. I have been a Utah fan all of my life since 2004 and I think that BYU is a crap school because everyone in my family works for a BYU fan and they are always talking about how good they are. I am sickn'tired of BYU fans who think they are so cool with their indoor plumbing and their automobiles. I hope we beat them behind the woodshed.

  • Overated
    Nov. 17, 2008 4:13 p.m.

    I went to the U, however there is still no way on earth either one of these teams could play in the SEC or even the weak PacTen conference game in and game out. Yes, if either team has to play one game against Washington or Oregon State they can perform pretty well. However, if BYU for instance had to play Georgia, Alabama, Florida, Auburn and LSU....come on. If they won any of those games I would be shocked. Take the PAC 10 for instance. Neither team could go through that division even this year without at least two losses. Cal, USC, Oregan come on. Big twelve maybe, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State....are you serious? Until Either of these teams plays a difficult schedule game in and game out, beating even a good Oregon State team is only one win of a good school and then nine or so wins of sub-par schools. BYU beating no win Washington on a last second controversial closed. I think the teams are more on par with Jr. College teams than just good high school teams however.

  • kanaka818
    Nov. 17, 2008 4:13 p.m.

    I have a dilemma! As a BYU alum, I always root for BYU to defeat Utah. However, a BYU win will knock Utah out of the upper class of the BCS and will not be enough to raise BYU to the upper class and neither school will qualify for a BCS bowl game.

    So, as usual, I will go with the Cougars. Sorry, MWC.

  • prediction:
    Nov. 17, 2008 4:07 p.m.

    BYU will beat Utah.
    BYU will go on to win the national championship against Alabama.
    BYU beats Alabama!
    Oh yeah!

    Go Cougars!

  • Special teams
    Nov. 17, 2008 4:06 p.m.

    I think this will come down to the kicking game, which does not bode well for the Cougs.
    "And a Louie shall lead them..."
    Utes 30
    Cougs 24

  • slow people
    Nov. 17, 2008 4:05 p.m.

    ute fans please try to act a little smart bc people might watch this game across the country, and you make are great state look like there are a lot of slow people

  • Utah Fan
    Nov. 17, 2008 3:55 p.m.

    BYU will beat Utah as handily as they did Air Force. BYU 35 - Utah 21

  • Automatic BERTH
    Nov. 17, 2008 3:49 p.m.

    Only the HIGHEST RANKED non-BCS team is GUARANTEED a BCS BERTH. Other non-BCS teams may QUALIFY, but they would have to be invited as at-large teams. With 10 BCS spots available, the following appear to be locks:

    BIG 12: Texas Tech/Oklahoma/Texas/Missouri/Okla State (two teams-only two teams per conference allowed)
    SEC: Florida and Alabama
    Big 10: Penn State or Ohio State
    Pac 10: USC and Oregon State (if OSU wins Pac 10)
    ACC: Miami or Maryland
    Big East: Cincinnati or Pittsburgh
    non-BCS: Utah, Boise State or BYU

    IF, USC wins the Pac 10, there will be ONE at-large bid available to be decided, probably between:

    Ohio State, Michigan State, and any Top 16 non-BCS teams.

    Would the BCS choose an at-large one-loss BYU or undefeated Boise State over a two-loss Ohio State or Michigan State? it's possible, but not likely.

  • Best ever?
    Nov. 17, 2008 3:41 p.m.

    Alabama-45 BYU/UTAH all star team 6
    Georgia 42 BYU/UTAH all star team 6
    Texas Tech 107 BYU/UTAH all star team 6
    Clemson 24 BYU/UTAH all star team 14
    Duke 6 BYU/UTAH all star team 3
    This game does not matter!!!!

  • BYU hater
    Nov. 17, 2008 3:40 p.m.

    Utah 21
    BYU 3

    end of story

  • Uneducated
    Nov. 17, 2008 3:39 p.m.

    Dear my thoughts:

    How do we expect to yake your points serious? Besides the outlandish scenarios (Michigan beating OSU and Florida losing twice more...esp since they're arguably the best team in the nation and will likely win the NC), you don't understand the BCS. No conference can send 3 teams to the BCS. It's not allowed within the rules. And IF that was possible, be assured that a 2-loss Oklahoma team (with losses to TT and Tex) would make it in before a 1-loss non-BCS team.

    Quit fantasizing because this game's shaping up to be like the 1996 game, but not in BYU's favor. Let's revisit was a game hyped beyond reasonable measure. BYU was clearly the better team. Utah had a puncher's chance, but that's about it. They made it interesting every so often, but BYU was too strong in the end. Reverse the names and that's what you'll see. Utah clearly has the better team. The "throw out the records" mantra is garbage. The better team wins in this series 9 times out of 10.

  • Most overrated
    Nov. 17, 2008 3:38 p.m.

    The two most overrated teams in the country meet!! They might be able to win the MAC. Oh wait Ball State would work you guys. I live here in SLC grew up in SEC country. It is so funny how serious you guys take the pop warner championship. GO GATORS!!

  • Mr. BYU
    Nov. 17, 2008 3:34 p.m.

    Hey Mr. "Y Top of Class...Less". You know, it is possible that the Y fans complain about the calls-I am there with them and I occasionally complain. But that is standard practice at ANY university! At least the U fans are generally safe in attending a BYU/Utah game in LES. I've heard stories from friends who have been physically threatened and verbally abused by people in Rice Stadium and I won't attend a BYU/Utah game there unless accompanied by my bodyguard brothers and son.

    Of course you have to attribute much of that in Rice stadium to alcohol-which you won't find at a BYU game neither served nor smuggled in.

    Go BYU! 33--31

  • CrimsonCool
    Nov. 17, 2008 3:29 p.m.

    Utah 35
    BYU 0

  • Aaron
    Nov. 17, 2008 3:26 p.m.

    One of two things are going to happen. Byu will get blown out or they win a close one. If they get blown out, the score will be Utah 52 Byu 28. If it's close, Byu 38 Utah 35

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 17, 2008 3:26 p.m.

    Sammy | 8:18 a.m. Nov. 17, 2008

    You are a clown. BYU will be "impossible" to score on? What world are you living in?

    If you gave me a helmet I could score on BYU. Really, let me play.


    You are correct. Ernest T. Bass is a clown. And he happens to be a BYU-hater. Where have you been? He posts on every BYU story pretending to be a BYU fan.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 17, 2008 3:22 p.m.

    RE: Yep | 7:56 a.m. Nov. 17, 2008
    I don't think y fans should be talking about crying in football, remember your 4th stringer on the Dolphins?

    Are you kidding? Ever heard of Whittingham? Ever see the postgame from . . . can't remember how many games where Ute players were crying. Save your crying trash for somebody else.

  • Out of Your Mind
    Nov. 17, 2008 3:22 p.m.

    To: On Your Mind

    You wrote: "The Y will loose this game for sure mark my words."

    I refuse to mark the words on anyone who doesn't know the difference between "loose" and "lose." I do agree, though, that BYU will be the far looser team going into this game.

    BYU is all about the "W." It's Utah that is always so focused on the money.

    We're glad the Utes will be able to put a little money in the league's coffers. I mean, the Poinsettia Bowl does still come with a payout, right?

  • BCS bowl bid goes to...
    Nov. 17, 2008 3:21 p.m.

    1) Utah if it has 12-0 record
    2) BSU: if Utah becomes 11-1 and BSU has no loss

    these are the only 2 scenarios

    For BYU, TCU: wait 'till next year.

  • Skippy
    Nov. 17, 2008 3:17 p.m.

    This game will be awesome. The only problem is that it should be available on ESPN or one of the network channels---but it is all about the money $$$$$$
    Go cougars!

  • To Ernest T. Bass
    Nov. 17, 2008 3:15 p.m.

    Are you kidding me. How many points did you score on TCU, oh yeah 7, how many did you allow, 32, how many did Utah allow, 10, so just shut up with the scoring. Utah has better athletes, and ragging on Brain Johnson for stupid throws at the end of games, did you watch the TCU game, that was against one of the best defenses in the country. It will be close cause of the rivalry but utah will win.

  • Dave from Midvale
    Nov. 17, 2008 3:06 p.m.


    I have been hearing for weeks that if BYU beats Utah on the 22nd then Boise St. (if still unbeaten) will get the BCS birth and everyone, including BYU and Utah, will be out in the cold looking in.

    Sorry kiddies, but it just ain't so!!!

    Read the following from the RIVALS.COM article on the BCS today:

    "Utah is the highest-ranked non-"Big Six" team in the standings. A non-"Big Six" team is guaranteed a BCS spot in two ways. One is if it finishes in the top 12; the other is if it is ranked in the top 16 and its ranking is higher than that of a conference champion that has an automatic berth. The highest-ranked Big East team is Cincinnati, at 19th. The highest-ranked ACC team is North Carolina, at 22nd.

    Other non-"Big Sixers" in the BCS top 25 are Boise State, No. 14 BYU, No. 16 TCU and No. 17 Ball State. BYU plays at Utah this Saturday."

    There's going to be an at-large birth available for a second non-BCS team. Boise, if it remains undefeated. . . and, if BYU beats Utah, then BYU WILL go to a BCS game.

  • Utes are entitled, Kyle Said
    Nov. 17, 2008 2:50 p.m.

    to:"crowtonlover | 1:35 p.m. Nov. 17, 2008
    BYU will not make it into a BCS game even if they win. I don't know where zoobies get this crazy idea that if they can beat utah, they can skip into a BCS game with a 11-1 record. Why would they pick BYU? Utah still would be 11-1 and Boise state would be undefeated.

    BYU going to a BCS game for sharing the conference championship with 2 other teams will never happen."


    I am sure you are right. The polls never give more respect to the team that is playing better at the end of the season.

    And lucky for the Utes that the invites are not based on the rankings in the BCS polls...

    What, they are...

    That would mean that if BYU beats Uth, they will be ranked higher, and being a one loss team up there with all of the other one loss teams, BYU would still never make it from the MWC.

    What, the MWC has solid wins against othe BCS conference tems.

    But BYU won't sell tickets, sell advertising.

    What, they will?

    Wow, maybe that's where cougar fans get these crazy ideas.

  • Embarrassment
    Nov. 17, 2008 2:44 p.m.

    Highest Winning Percentages By Conference

    Conference Percentage (Record)

    Mountain West 1.000 (1-0)
    Southeastern .733 (11-4)
    Pacific-10 .667 (8-4)
    Big East .600 (6-4)
    WAC .500 (1-1)
    Big Ten .471 (8-9)
    Big 12 .429 (6-8)
    Atlantic Coast .100 (1-9)
    Independents .000 (0-3)

    If any conference/school should be hanging their head in shame over their showing in BCS games it should be the ACC conference (1-9) and Notre Dame (0-3).

    non-BCS teams are 2-1, as good as the PAC 10, and better than the Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, and ACC.

  • Austin Collie
    Nov. 17, 2008 2:41 p.m.

    Last year, when Austin was attacked by ute fans, Dougie Robinson (because his kid had to sit and watch games from the Utah bench-- Kyle made a spot for the kid so someone at the Des News would do his dirty work--) for expressing his moral value system, I'm sure his father sat him down and told him not to worry, keep working hard, and be focused on the game at RES. He didn't need to put a jersey on a tackling dummy (see TCU vs. BYU) to get a focus for Utah.

    I would guess as the team leader he will be running harder, faster and playing stronger that the other guys, and they will follow his lead.

    I would think that if this is going to be a close game, the intangibles lean heavy in Austin Collies favor.

  • my thoughts
    Nov. 17, 2008 2:32 p.m.

    If Utah wins they get a BCS game and If BYU wins and Boise State Loses they will get in a BCS game.

    Good for BYU
    BYU wins Saturday
    Texas Tech beats Missouri and Oklahoma Texas Tech and Texas are in the BCS
    Florida State and Alabama beats Florida (Florida has 3 losses)
    Alabama and Georgia get in the BCS
    Ohio State loses to Michigan and Penn State beats Michigan State
    That would mean only 1 Big 10 and 1 PAC 10 team makes it in the BCS.
    Oregon State lose to Oregon USC is PAC 10 Champions

    In the BCS games ranked
    Alabama (SEC Champion)
    Texas Tech (Big 12 Champion)
    USC (PAC 10 Champion)
    Penn State (Big 10 Champion)
    Boise State
    Big East
    BYU/Big 12

    PAC 10 and the BIG 10 only get 1 in the BCS
    That would make it difficult not to put 2 non-BCS teams in the BCS bowl
    Florida and LSU would have 3 losses
    Would a 3rd Big 12 teams with 2 losses (depending on who wins the Oklahoma / Oklahoma State game) get in or would BYU a second non-BCS team. Probably Big 12 team

  • Re Go Ute Trolls
    Nov. 17, 2008 2:32 p.m.

    You're absolutely right, BYU fans are all perfect!!! In fact, I even remember a Utah fan jumping on a BYU cheerleader and getting beat up!!! Wait, that was a BYU fan on a UTAH cheerleader?! What happened? The world is coming to an end!!!

  • my thoughts
    Nov. 17, 2008 2:30 p.m.

    If Utah wins they get a BCS game and if BYU wins and Boise State Loses they will get in a BCS game.

    Good for Utah
    Utah wins Saturday
    Missouri beats Texas Tech who beats Oklahoma. Missouri (a 2 loss team) is the Big 12 Championship and Missouri and Texas Tech get in.
    Florida Losses to Florida State and then Beats Alabama - Florida (a 2 loss team is SEC champion) and Both Florida and Alabama get in the BCS.
    Michigan State beats Penn State. Ohio State (2 losses) get in the Bowl Game
    Oregon State wins out Oregon State (a 3 loss team including one to Utah) is PAC 10 Champions. Oregon State and USC should get in.

    In the BCS games ranked in order in BCS
    Texas Tech
    Florida (SEC Champion)
    Ohio State (Big 10 Championship)
    Missouri (Big 12 Champion)
    Big East Champion
    Oregon State (Pac 10 Championship)
    ACC Champion

    That means for the National Championship - you could have Texas Tech, Alabama, USC (all have 1 loss and all who did not even win their respective conferences) or Utah. Utah would be able to make a case for National Championship.

  • re: Overrated again... |
    Nov. 17, 2008 2:30 p.m.

    "If you guys would have to play more than one game vs. the PAC 10 - ie. a whole season in the PAC 10, you would not be in the top 2."

    Based on what evidence?

    The MWC is 6-1 vs the PAC 10 this year, with even lowly UNLV (2-5 MWC) knocking off then #14-ranked Arizona State in Tempe and Utah knocking off PAC 10 leader Oregon State.

    There's only one team in the PAC 10, USC, that would have had even a prayer of going undefeated through a whole MWC schedule this year.

    Oregon State, Oregon, California, and Arizona all would have lost at least 3 or more games in the MWC.

  • Nostracougus
    Nov. 17, 2008 2:26 p.m.

    Only five more days until Utah locks up its second straight trip to the Poinsettia Bowl.

    Take it to the bank, Ute honks!

  • BCS Play-in Game
    Nov. 17, 2008 2:23 p.m.

    What a great game this should be! Each team is the other's strongest opponent this year. Season finale, conference championship, BCS berth...exciting!

    Who will win? BYU has more talent but they have underachieved in a few games (witness Austin Collie calling out the team at halftime against AFA). Utah has played perfectly. So I guess it depends on which BYU shows up. I'd say BYU has a 50% chance of winning.

    This game is a huge test, and the winner deserves a BCS berth. I'm not saying they will get it, but they will deserve it.

    Boise State does not deserve its current ranking. Their conference and schedule are far weaker than ours (and that's saying something!). But they're at #9 and not likely to drop unless they lose. That makes it very hard for BYU to pass BSU.

    Ute fans: you're not out of the woods either. Even if Utah wins--and I'd say there's a 50% chance they will--Boise State has an extra game to go, the day after Thanksgiving. If they win by enough points, they could move up and pass the Utes.

    BUT...Saturday's winner will deserve a BCS berth. Good luck to both! Fans, play nice! :-)

  • Who cares about the east?
    Nov. 17, 2008 2:19 p.m.

    This is the game.

    I could care less about SEC, Pac 10, Big 12, Biggie smalls etc.

    Let's strap it up and see who is left standing. The U is tough, but I'm going blue. Let's go cougars!

  • re: Please
    Nov. 17, 2008 2:15 p.m.

    BYU is 2-0 vs the Longhorns!

    @BYU 47
    Texas 6

    Texas lost to Oklahoma (9-3) 13-28, Arkansas (10-2) 24-27, and Texas A&M (7-5) 24-28 in 1988.

    BYU 22
    @Texas 17

    Texas lost to Oklahoma (11-1) 9-44, beat Arkansas (9-4) 16-14, and lost to Texas A&M (10-2) 13-20 in 1987.

    What's a cow lover doing hanging out on a BYU/Utah blog anyway? Aren't there any Big 12 blogs?


  • re:sam
    Nov. 17, 2008 2:14 p.m.

    Yes, the game is to be broadcast in HDTV. I am not so sure on the details, though, for cable. I know it will be on DirectTV (616-1--someone correct me if I am wrong). But, yes, to answer your question the game is to be broadcast in HDTV.

  • I'm lovin' It!!!
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:59 p.m.

    Wow!! This game has the makings of a classic!! Utah definately has the pressure on them, and they have the most to lose. It will be interesting to see if BYU can step up to the challenge and play like they played at the beginning of the season. I am a 100% BYU fan, and I would like nothing better than to spoil Utah's plans for the BCS. But, if BYU beats Utah then that means that Boise State will probably be in a BCS game. And if there is anything I dislike more than U of U football it is Boise State Football. So, if BYU wins, GREAT!! If Utah wins, still great because BSU won't be going to a bowl game. Any way, it looks to be a great match up!!

    GO COUGS!!

  • Jared
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:51 p.m.

    "Please NO BCS for either team. It will be an embarassment [sic] for the conference."

    Just like The Ohio State's great performance against the Gators 2 years ago? Utah or BYU would do just fine in a BCS bowl game. Neither team is perfect but no football team is (even our wonderful Gator team here in Florida lost to lowly Ole Miss at home).

  • Re: Bender
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:51 p.m.

    Bender? Isnt that the name of the Drunken Robot on Futurama?

  • Go Ute Trolls
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:51 p.m.

    "To All Ute Fans:
    I'll be at Rice-Eccles this Saturday and you better watch your mouth or it will get popped."

    "Re: To All Ute Fans
    This comment is a threat. I'm sure that BYU and all it supposedly stands for is pleased to have you as a fan."

    While we wish all Utah fans would keep their obsceneties to themselves, these are obviously Ute trolls responding to their own posts, enjoying portraying BYU fans as something they are not.

    That is what makes you Utah fans so "special", so "precious", your ability in your uneducated, alcolhol induced minds to twist things and project you behaviors onto the BYU fans.

    I was at RES two years ago and only saw two BYU fans get smacked, both were cheap shots taken from the back, and both Ute Fans stumbled (ran)away (Utah Men Sir) as fast as they could.

    I have heard RES flashes an 800 number to report inappropriate fans (Wow, I hope that is not necessary at LES games-- except when Utah fans are there.) I'm sure that is the only real threat to you Utah fans during the game, is being asked to leave before you do something stupid.

  • c_bentley
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:48 p.m.

    Bywho?!?!? That's HILARIOUS!!! I have NEVER heard that one before. You are so original!!! I have no idea how you EVER came up with that one Texas Ute. You must have spent hours.....

  • ESPN Laughed???
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:45 p.m.

    Of course ESPN laughed at the MWC! Where do you think their revenue comes from (try broadcasting BCS games)? They are nothing more than paid advocates for the BCS. The BCS commissioners would go nuts if ESPN were to give a non-BCS team reasonable respect (or time). That would elevate the question of the legitimacy of the whole BCS system. That's why BCS conference fans have such a skewed vision of how good they are and how bad the MWC is.

    As for BYU and Utah, pretty much everything has been said both good and bad. Now let's play the game, have fun and see! And let both teams answer the quality/power ranking question in whatever post season bowl games they go to.

    I've got to admit, it would be great to see some of the BCS dollars diverted to the MWC pockets once again.

  • Tarheel Ute, RE: Oxymoron
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:42 p.m.

    No trouble here - If required, I am a die-hard Ute fan that just happens to be from North Carolina.

    Welcome to this blog - or any blog? - I use that tag because this blog does not register it's bloggers. Plus it is easier to query previous blogs and responses.

  • Overrated again...
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:41 p.m.

    MWC 'owns' the PAC 10?? If you guys would have to play more than one game vs. the PAC 10 - ie. a whole season in the PAC 10, you would not be in the top 2. Oregon State may have lost to Utah at home, but don't forget the result of last year when you played OSU at home. Playing and beating an occasional 'real team' does not put you in the same league as those teams that play a whole season in a big league conference. I'm sure if OSU had to play the likes of UNLV and Wyoming all season long they would also be able to run the table. Big deal, little Utah schools!!

  • Re: Excuses
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:39 p.m.

    First, stop sniffing glue.

    Second, it's Sakoda, not Sakota, and he doesn't miss.

    Third, Utah won't need Sakoda to win it at the end. BYU won't be that close.

  • Old Ute
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:37 p.m.

    To Utah Overrated:

    Utah and BYU would love to play teams in the top ten. They try to shcedule them every year. When Utah sheduled Michigan, the Wolverines were a top ten team. But for some reason (I wonder why ? Figure this out for yourself) they will rarely agree to a contest. When they do agree to play Utah or BYU they will rarely agree to a home and home contract. So sometimes the Utes and the Cougs have to play only one game on a foriegn field. When they do agree to a home and home, they often play the first game on the foreign field and then get bought out for the game in the Mountain West so the top ten team won't risk getting beat. This is typical of the BCS Chicken S--- attitude. So don't come on theis blog and give us this crap !

  • crowtonlover
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:35 p.m.

    BYU will not make it into a BCS game even if they win. I don't know where zoobies get this crazy idea that if they can beat utah, they can skip into a BCS game with a 11-1 record. Why would they pick BYU? Utah still would be 11-1 and Boise state would be undefeated.

    BYU going to a BCS game for sharing the conference championship with 2 other teams will never happen.

  • Brian Johnson
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:34 p.m.

    Hey dogs, You Cougars are going down this Saturday! I'll be throwing TD passes left and right and there's no way your weak defense can stop us! Can you say TCU? That's right, we're going to walk all over you as the Y will be nothing than a speed bump on the way to a BCS bowl game.

    Then they'll be asking me "now what are you going to do"? And I'll be going to Disneyland baby!

  • Bobby Miles Doopay
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:31 p.m.

    Reply: "On Your Mind
    We all know the U is going to win this Saturday. The Y wants that big check from the Utes going to the BCS. The Y will loose this game for sure mark my words. They need the $$ to bribe some DB's. At this point the Y needs the money more than the "W".

    I think BYU would rather beat Utah, jump up in the polls to 9 or 8, and be invited to BCS (Prideful, Arrogant Utah's worst nightmare) and earn the 8 mil on their own. Utah could use the $$ from BYU to bribe and offensive coordinator, and pay for a defensive coordinator who knows how to shut down Beck to Harline, and cover collie on 4th and 18.

    Wyoming outgained you in total yards by 10 yards? They must have a powerful offense, except BYU's defense shut them out.

    I bought tickets to RES this weekend, not to see Utah win, I just needed some piece and quiet, and what a better place to get time for peaceful contemplation that RES with the clock at 00:00 in RES after the BYU games, when the Utes finally shut their own mouths.

  • sam
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:27 p.m.

    does anyone know if the game is going to be in hd? if so, what channel? will it be part of comcast's basic cable?

  • Please
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:25 p.m.

    Move the yewts to the pac-10 so they can get worked every year and shut up. Move BYwho to the Big 12 so they can get worked. You might be bowl eligible. But we beat Oregon State yea but lets see if you can after playing USC and then going on the road. BYwho hasn't beaten anybody except Northern Iowa. Look out they deserve to play in the New Mexico bowl. Maybe Weber will play them. GO LONGHORNS!!

  • Re Yep @11:26
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:24 p.m.

    Say what you want about Smith, at least he didn't cry.

  • Buster
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:20 p.m.

    "Ernest T. Bass
    Awesome Collie is so darned good."

    I think more than that, Austin Collie will be so darned motivated. All of those cheap shots last year about "on and off the field" but the uneducated Ute fandom has probably been a mantra. As upset as he was last year, those words have probably been a "mantra" to him this season. I am sure he is looking forward to shut the silly Ute fans mouth from the RES endzone this weekend. You know it's his focus.

    Why, oh why, did the Utah fans need to be so intolerant of a young man's belief-system?

    Now Austin Collie will come out focused. And, if you think his halftime speech was motivational last week think about how he will "focus" the cougars this Saturday.

    Why should the utes even worry about this game? BYU is not TCU... Utes have this one in the bag."

    BYU is not New Mexico, either. BYU beat New Mexico 21-3, and Utah beat them 13-10. Don't even think about the fieldgoals BYU blocked this year, or how inconsistant BJ is in big games. Utah is entitled cause Kyle said so.

    Keep hiding behind TCU's skirt, Utes-happy-place.

  • RE: Bottom Line
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:17 p.m.

    Are you referring to the poor decisions he made to score the go ahead TD vs. a great TCU defense? Or maybe the poor decisions he made to break the tie against Air Force. Or possibly the poor decisions he made down the stretch against Oregon State. Sure he's had less than stellar moments, but when the pressure has been the greatest he has come through.

    That being said, Hall has also proven very capable of coming through late. If it's within a touchdown late it could easily come down to who gets the ball last. As long as they have 60 seconds or so left on the clock I expect either QB to make it more interesting than either side will want.

    In recent games though, I think Utah has done a better job of protecting the football though. Not so with BYU. Don't expect Utah to drop as many easy picks as Air Force did.

  • Ernest T. Bass
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:12 p.m.

    Oh my goodness oh my goodness! How is BYU ever going to stop Utah's potent offense? Why, just look at all the points they scored against New Mexico (13) and TCU (13) and AFA (30; BYU scored 38). BYU's defense hasn't been able to stop anyone this season, just look at all the losses they've piled up this year!

  • Ugh...spare me...
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:10 p.m.

    Here's hoping they both lose.

    Go Aggies!

  • Bender Rodriguez
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:09 p.m.

    re: Win, Lose or Draw | 1:01 p.m. Nov. 17, 2008

    >>BYU is the class of the conference

  • LeeR
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:09 p.m.

    Oh, this is fun.... Less than five days...! I will not say who I want to win--both teams are excellent, and both will have great bowl games too. Go UTEBYs! Or is it BYUTES...?! This is fun!

    (Win your bowls BIG! Break up the overrated

  • Game Predictions! Thanks
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:07 p.m.

    You forgot a few!!! Maybe include a score prediction and it won't back-fire!

    Hall will throw three picks.
    Collie will drop 4 passes.
    Unga will fumble twice.
    Utah will sack Hall 4 times.
    BYU will rush for 27 yards.
    BYU will pass for 107.
    BYU secondary will get burned 4 times.
    Utes will gain 200 yards rushing.
    Utes will throw for 250 (maybe more).
    BYUs Special Teams will be on Fire!
    BYU 42, Utah 17

    It will be a happy day at the RES for cougar fans!!!!
    Then on to the Fiesta Bowl for a BIG WIN.

    And the Cougars will still Win.
    Thanks for saying the Cougs will go to the Fiesta Bowl and have a BIG WIN. Utah will be a nice practice game.

    And my favorite that you said...
    Cougs will finally shut their yap.

    Sure enough, BYU didn't need to talk, they showed it on the field.


  • AzByuFan
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:05 p.m.

    To those whining about the TCU loss:

    TCU was simply the better team with superior talent. A lot has been said about lack of prep, but based on what we saw one team was clearly superior that day. BYU lost to one of the best defenses in the nation. BYU has a talented offense but an average defense.

    TCU again appeared to be the superior team against the U. The stats indicate that. TCU lost because their freshman kicker couldn't connect on the easy ones and the QB missed a wide open receiver in the endzone. The best team doesn't always win, the team that has the fewest mistakes by key individuals usually wins.

    To those SEC worshippers, Wyoming 13 Tennessee 7. Yes, a traditional also ran from the MWC beat a tradtional power from the SEC at their place. Each player at TN was recruited over the guys at Wyo, yet still managed to lose.

  • Arizona Reader
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:05 p.m.

    How can you say that BJ will fold in the clutch? Johnson pulled together three 4th quarter victories vs some solid teams this year (Air Force, Oregon State and TCU). Sure there may be been some fortunate plays, but the best team always wins, that's why their the best team.

    I'm a Cougar fan and honestly, I'd much rather have the ball in our hands with 2 minutes left, down by 5 than to give the Utes another 4th quarter comeback.

    I think this game will live up to all of the hype and it will come down to the end. The team that converts on 3rd down and limits turnovers will pull it out. Both have their offensive and defensive strengths, but the little things will make the difference this Saturday.

    Final Score:
    BYU: 35
    Utah: 31

  • Ain't it fun?
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:04 p.m.

    What a riot! Let's all get together this Saturday. What we need is one big stadium in Bluffdale where we can all go and just love each other!!! Where's Dave Checketts when you need him?!

    Love my Cougars! Go TEAM! FIGHT! WIN!

  • ceego
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:04 p.m.

    Just wondering...if Utah goes undefeated in the Nation and win their bowl, would they be considered belmished because they have not played anyone.....1984 Cougars...I would like to see what the Utes fans would say...since they always claimed that 1984 Champs was a bogus....WOW....oh know my Utes???besides TCU...who have you played????

  • CO Coug
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:03 p.m.

    I love this, can't beat this game! Looking forward to a great matchup (with Cougs on top). But I will cheer for the Utes if they win and go to a BCS bowl, MWC needs more publicity and respect. I can't stand the arrogance of the BCS schools.

    Ernest Bass, you always rip on Collie with some sarcastic comment, but my would last about a tenth of a second on the field trying to cover him. He is the leading receiver in the nation (according to, you have to tip your hat to that.

    Can't wait till Saturday!!!!

    GO COUGS!!!!

  • The King?
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:03 p.m.

    All you Utah fans are raving abotu Sakoda again? What did he do for you last year? Kicked one field goal and had a kickoff out of bounds? Yeah im not too scared of him.

  • Win, Lose or Draw
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:01 p.m.

    BYU is the class of the conference. Utah's fan base is split, one half embarrassed by the other half.

  • Y Top of Class . . . Less
    Nov. 17, 2008 12:55 p.m.

    As a non Ute I have been to games in Provo and Salt Lake as well as attending games at a number of other schools in other states. The cougar fans are at the top of my list for complaining at every call made against their saints (team). The fans that I have encountered at Lavell Stadium have treated visitors in the stands very poorly. I am saddend that some of my 10% goes to Utah county.

    Utes by 21

  • Bottom Line
    Nov. 17, 2008 12:48 p.m.

    BYU's potent offense will score 30 plus points on the Utes good defense. Utah's average offense will score 20 plus points on BYU's average Defense.

    So I give the Cougs the edge, even tho the Utes will be favored.

    I also agree that BJ will fold in the clutch. Under pressure he makes bad decisions, holds the ball too long etc.

  • BlueBoy
    Nov. 17, 2008 12:37 p.m.

    If this ends up a close game, 34-31 sounds familiar. It's 50-50 which team will end up with the 34.

    However, I suspect this time around, one of the teams is going to pounce on the other early on and the pouncee will never recover. I'm not expecting a close score this time.

    I sure hope it's the blue-blooded team that's on top!

    Positives if BYU wins: a "happy valley"! and maybe some BCS dollars, and sending Utah to a lesser bowl game (if Boise State wins out).

    Positives if Utah wins: BCS dollars (for BYU, too).

    Negatives if Utah wins: long faces in Happy Valley.

    Negatives if BYU wins: none if Boise State loses, or all those lost BCS dollars if Boise State wins out.

    Gonna be a fun weekend for watching college football!

  • re: Tarheel Ute
    Nov. 17, 2008 12:36 p.m.

    That is an oxymoron. You cannot be a Tarheel fan and a Ute fan. If you were loyal to the Tarheels you would hate the Utes for beating the Tarheels in the 1998 Final Four. I know I still do.

    Have some loyalty to one team instead of trying to play it both ways.

  • history repeating?
    Nov. 17, 2008 12:34 p.m.

    Forget the statement made this past Saturday in San Diego!

    The best team on the 22nd will win. All things being equal, this game will be alot like 2004 where BYU makes it a good game for quarter and a half before the Utes pull away.

    I'm looking forward to the Utes & Longhorns in Phoenix or Utes/Gators in the Big Easy.

    Nov. 17, 2008 12:31 p.m.


  • Game Predictions
    Nov. 17, 2008 12:29 p.m.

    Hall will throw three picks.
    Collie will drop 4 passes.
    Unga will fumble twice.
    Utah will sack Hall 4 times.
    BYU will rush for 27 yards.
    BYU will pass for 107.
    BYU secondary will get burned 4 times.
    Utes will gain 200 yards rushing.
    Utes will throw for 250 (maybe more).
    Cougs will finally shut their yap.
    It will be a happy day at the RES!!!!
    Then on to the Fiesta Bowl for a BIG WIN.


  • RED Man
    Nov. 17, 2008 12:25 p.m.

    Well, the time is finally drawing nigh. It is more exciting than Christmas morning! Santa won't bring these goods cause the mighty Utes will ravage the weakling, limping, crawling and tired Cougs. Then ONWARD TO THE BCS to kick some big time butt for a shot at the national title.

  • I AM Soooo EXCITED!!!
    Nov. 17, 2008 12:21 p.m.

    Can't wait for 11/22 when the Utes crush the lowly cougars by half time. I predict it will be over by then. Utes will win 42 - 7.

  • Bob in line
    Nov. 17, 2008 12:15 p.m.

    BYU, Utah and TCU can compete with any team from say 5-25, beating most of them. I don't think any of these three beat the top 5 teams but clearly are capable. None of these three teams are overrated. You could say that Utah is a stretch at 7 but they have beat every team in front of them. For all of the great NFL teams that has been done twice in 40+ years. It is hard to do so I give Utah respect on that.

    As for Utah having this one in the bag, admitted I think it is Utah's to lose but anyone who thinks this is in the bag is just plain talking smack.

    First, this Utah team is no where near as strong as the 2004 team. Second, being a rivalry game most of the other stuff is out the window. I remember years ago when Steve Young was All-American, BYU was ranked high and Utah was a bad high school team. Steve Young had to lead a 2 minute scoring drive to win. Outside of that 'high-and-mighty' BYU loses to a pathetic Utah team that year.

    I hope BYU wins.

    Respect both teams.

  • Kevin in the Terrace
    Nov. 17, 2008 12:15 p.m.

    Best case senario would be for Oregon State to win the rest of their games and go to a BCS game. Then the BCS would have to take the Pac 10 champ and probably USC as an at large. Then the MWC champ would have beaten the PAC 10 champ and will probably get a shot at another BCS conference Champ. Then the MWC would really have an argument agains the BCS exclusion. I hope everyone would really crow if BYU beats Utah and no MWC school goes to the BCS while two pac 10 teams go.

  • NO BCS
    Nov. 17, 2008 11:56 a.m.

    Please NO BCS for either team. It will be an embarassment for the conference. Money aside, they will take this into consideration before a conference team is invited again.

  • Utes
    Nov. 17, 2008 11:54 a.m.

    The "Quest for Irrelevance" comes full circle Saturday.

    GO UTES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • RE: RE: Yep
    Nov. 17, 2008 11:26 a.m.

    4th stringer? he's actually battling for backup, that #1 pick of the niners (Alex Smith) is the worst QB in the NFL, if they could redo the draft they would select Aaron Rogers...and Alex Smith would now be selected in the 6th or 7th round

  • On Your Mind
    Nov. 17, 2008 10:34 a.m.

    We all know the U is going to win this Saturday. The Y wants that big check from the Utes going to the BCS. The Y will loose this game for sure mark my words. They need the $$ to bribe some DB's. At this point the Y needs the money more than the "W".

  • jc
    Nov. 17, 2008 10:12 a.m.

    Hey Call- your comments regarding the 1994 season are inaccurate. Going into the game BYU was tied with Colorado St. in the conference rankings. If BYU had won agianst Utah, they would have clinched a share of the conference title. because byu only had one loss to csu and csu had lost to utah.

  • Tarheel Ute
    Nov. 17, 2008 9:59 a.m.

    I watched both games Saturday, BYUs in person. Both teams will be in top form next week. BY U should have been up 24-10 at the half if not for unsportsmanlike behavior call, and should have been more dominant. Later as required, the Utes dominated SDSU. Both teams have their traditional advantages, Utahs defense and BYUs offense. Not necessarily a classic separation; Utahs offense has played very well in the clutch. BYUs defense is pretty solid, particularly if BYUs offense keeps them off the field; thier weakness is holding position; they were fooled by AFAs misdirection.

    But BYUs tight ends will give Utah defense fits. Theyre tall, big with good hands and will make third downs difficult for Utah. Im a little surprised by Halls pass selection, however, particularly in the flat. AFA defense dropped several interceptions; unable to get two hands on the ball. Utahs corners are at least a half a step faster and will get both hands on the ball.

    Keys Halls passing against Utahs corners. Ball control; BYUs big running backs, great tight ends. Utahs running game, particularly at the edges. Last minute heroics by Collie or Brain Johnson.

    Utah 34, BYU 31

  • Go Utes!!!
    Nov. 17, 2008 9:48 a.m.

    I am a Utah man sir!

  • Let us not forget . . .
    Nov. 17, 2008 9:23 a.m.

    4th and 18, baby. 4th and 18.

  • RE: Sanity
    Nov. 17, 2008 9:06 a.m.

    How can BYU be the class of the league when they lost to TCU? How can you be the class of the league when you lost? I guess you, being a typical BYU fan, have a way of turning that loss against TCU into a win. Too bad the MWC hasn't gotten the memo and still lists you as 10-1.

  • Seattle Cougar
    Nov. 17, 2008 9:00 a.m.

    Two words.....GO COUGARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • crowtonlover
    Nov. 17, 2008 8:59 a.m.

    Why should the utes even worry about this game? BYU is not TCU by a long shot. Utes have this one in the bag.

  • Utes will win
    Nov. 17, 2008 8:55 a.m.

    The Cougs may make keep it close if Johnson commits turnovers (likely to happen in an emotional game like this one), but the Utes' speed and Sakoda will result in a Ute win. I would love to see BYU pull the upset but even if they do, I don't want BYU playing in a BCS game with this team---it would be a setback for the program. Best-case scenario for the MWC is for Utes to win and go to Fiesta Bowl against Texas, and for the Y to go to Poinsettia Bowl against an ACC or Big East pansie. Let TCU play in the Vegas Bowl for a change...

  • Utah's not overrated
    Nov. 17, 2008 8:55 a.m.

    Utah is 11-0...They can't be overrated with the current ranking system. However, they have had some lucky bounces, and why should that change against BYU?

    Brian Johnson can't throw the Deep ball, which is good because BYU can't defend the deep ball.

    Utah's greatest move they made is hiring a Cougar to coach their team. Kyle bleeds blue as we've seen on his 4th down defense the past 2 years.

    I don't think there should be score predictions on these posts; instead, let's predict how many trick plays Utah will run. I'm guessing 7 including the 2 fake punts.

    You are the best Ute Fans! Thanks for making our end-of-year victories so much more rewarding. Utah better hope for a Football win this year because the Basketball team isn't looking to promising. Who did they lose to...Southwestern Baptist St. Glorified High School?

  • Prediction
    Nov. 17, 2008 8:50 a.m.

    BYU ---7-10-14--7--38

    In yet another exciting rivalry game, Utah appears to be headed to another BCS game and another 34-31 win over Utah when a Louie Sakoda punt pins BYU inside their own 10-yardline with less than 2:00 remaining. But Max Hall and the Cougar offense convert on two straight third downs to keep the drive going. On a 2nd and 3 from the Utah 40 yardline, Max Hall finds Austin Collie on a play-action pass for the game-winning touchdown with :30 remaining. On Utah's final possession, Brian Johnson throws an interception on 3rd and 10 to seal BYU's 3rd straight win over Utah.

  • Sammy
    Nov. 17, 2008 8:18 a.m.


    You are a clown. BYU will be "impossible" to score on? What world are you living in?

    If you gave me a helmet I could score on BYU. Really, let me play.

    All the BYU fans are getting a little scared to leave Utah Valley.

    Try to be brave when you cross the point of the Mtn. into Salt Lake. Losing won't be so bad.

    Try to take it like a brave kalueaky warrior or whomever you are pretending to be during your hoola dance.

    Collie, watch out, because if they do give me a helmet then I'm going to knock you out of the game, just like your older brother Sean Covey.

    Go Utes!!!

  • ediddy
    Nov. 17, 2008 8:01 a.m.

    Not to be a downer here, but the respect lacking on a national stage is largely due to the pathetic Mountain Network and its ability to keep the rest of the country from ever seeing the brand of football in the MWC. Sadly, when BYU / TCU got on the national stage, one of them failed to show up. That hurt the conference. The MWC needs to find a way to dump the Mountain Network and allow the quality football to be actually seen nationally, even regionally would be an improvement. Doesn't much matter who the teams play, if they never get seen. Craig Thompson and the Univ. Presidents really did the conference a disservice with the MOuntasin deal. Go Utes, Go Cougars. Put on a show, but I hope Utah minus five.

  • RE: Yep
    Nov. 17, 2008 7:56 a.m.

    I don't think y fans should be talking about crying in football, remember your 4th stringer on the Dolphins?

  • Sanity
    Nov. 17, 2008 7:53 a.m.

    I don't think BYU can ever take Utah this year. Utah is just too great for us lowly Cougars. With all the injuries and a soft defense I just don't think that there is any possibility. Brian Johnson is too strong and the Utah Defense is just too great for BYU to ever beat them..........
    But won't it be fun when we do.
    BYU by 14!
    BYU is the class of the league... Win Lose or Draw!

  • these games kill me...
    Nov. 17, 2008 7:51 a.m.

    it's like riding a roller coaster for 3.5 hours straight! crazy!

    GO UTES!!!

  • true blue
    Nov. 17, 2008 7:51 a.m.

    If BYU, Utah, or BSU ever find a way to crack the BCS then you know all those college football supremists from back east, down south, and on the pacific coast will revamp the system and make it near impossible for it to ever happen again. If you can't beat 'em the change the system

  • Overrated huh?
    Nov. 17, 2008 7:48 a.m.

    Isn't it interesting to read comments from the noobs back east. As has been mentioned above, the Big Least and ACC are in Bill Walton's words "HORRIBLE" this year. And the MWC has owned the PAC-10 this year as well...not to mention a little Big-10 game.

    While it's true, the MWC doesn't get the best "athletes" in the country. In fact, I would submit that the MWC gets the 2nd and 3rd tier recruites compared to the Big conferences. However, we still seem to beat those "BCS" conference teams. Why? And who would want to go to school in Boise? Yet these "weaker" teams seem to win when it comes to ONE game....right OU and Pitt?!

    All we've got is a bunch of slow white guys, and islanders scattered amongst a few black guys. Michigan, UCLA, Washington, Arizona, Tenessee should ALWAYS beat up on MWC competetion simply because they get better athletes all the time.

    Texas (Tech), Florida, Penn State, OSU, and Bama will always be good...but you never know what can happen in one game. LSU almost found that out against Troy on Saturday.

    Go Cougs, Utes, TCU, and maybe even BSU a little.

  • Oh Please
    Nov. 17, 2008 7:42 a.m.

    Neither one of these teams can combete with Texas, Texas Tec, Florida, Alabama, USC. Reality check, please. (By the way where is the guy who said that BYU would play for the National Championship?) Mendenhall has yet to solve the problems of this BYU team. No insult intended at all, but you can't win games on spirituality. Somewhere along the line the Y defense has to show up. Good team, not great,but stripling warriors they are not. Utah is overrated, but so what. Makes the conference look good. Go Utes. I am a Y fan but am a little tired of trying to win games with the help of a Higher Power. Good hard hitting football is the thing that wins.

  • Congratulations!
    Nov. 17, 2008 7:35 a.m.

    Congrats to the Utes for not dropping their usual annual game to a bottom MWC team. Congrats to BYU for making it to this game with just one loss after turning off all motivation and desire to win for 3-4 games. If both teams play to capability, this will be a good game and BYU will come out on top, barely. If BYU can't get the pistons firing they won't be able to play catch up. Least likely, if both teams come out struggling, we're in for a heart attack match-up with a lot of disappointing drives.

    Go Cougars!

  • RC
    Nov. 17, 2008 7:34 a.m.

    All this trash talking and dissing--especially from folks back east is great! A few years back they wouldn't even care about the BYU-Utah game. Now thanks to BYU, Utah, TCU and AFA the Mt. West is on everyones radar. This is great! After all these years finally a little respect.

  • Chris in Texas
    Nov. 17, 2008 7:19 a.m.

    I'm a BYU alum (class of '88), but I am proud of both teams. I'd like to see the Cougs win to tie for the championship, but I'd like to see the Utes win for a great BCS bowl game. I hope they both play well, that it goes down to the wire, that they're sportsmen, and that both teams walk off the field with their heads held high! What a great year for the MWC. Way to go Cougars, Utes, and Horned Frogs!

  • Ernest T. Bass
    Nov. 17, 2008 7:17 a.m.

    Awesome Collie is so darned good.
    He's one of the foundational pillars of their program.
    Quests for near-perfection are always fun.
    All that speed and tackling ability in Provo's secondary will be impossible so score on.

  • Phil Steele
    Nov. 17, 2008 7:10 a.m.

    Hew Cougar fans, remember when Phil Steele releases his pre-season rankings and he had UTAH ahead of BYU. REMEMBER when he said UTAH would be the team to bust the BCS THIS YEAR. REMEMBER how many Cougar fans responded and said who is this guy. Well it looks like he's pretty smart.

  • Reality check here
    Nov. 17, 2008 7:04 a.m.

    Regarding previous comments; the reason BYU couldn't beat TCU is because TCU is a better team with better, faster athletes. The same reason Utah will win. Win or lose, BYU is going to the BYU/Las Vegas bowl anyway so what difference does it make. And they just love the cougs in Sin City. Maybe they can somehow get UCLA a bowl eligible exemption and play them yet again, for a 4th time in 2 years.

    To the MWC detractors, Utah has played a strong non-conference schedule for years and has beaten almost every PAC 10 (inc. So Cal with Carson Palmer in a bowl game) & Big 10 team over the past 15 or so years. They have the best non-BCS team record in the country against BCS competition and easily had the best non-BCS team ever in 2004. I don't know what else they can do, so get over it.

    This IS going to be the biggest 'Rivalry GAme' ever and Utah will win because they have better athletes and better on-field leadership. It's their destiny.

    GO UTES!

  • Ute Grad
    Nov. 17, 2008 7:02 a.m.

    Any one see Gunther on tv last night spouting hatred? admitting to holding the cougs all game last year and trying to start fights talking about the BYU players sister. Wow Utes you have a lot to be proud of! BTW Gunther did you happen to check the scoreboard at the end?

  • metamoracoug
    Nov. 17, 2008 6:28 a.m.

    to best high school game ever:

    Wyoming 13
    Tennessee 10

    'nough said

  • Mark
    Nov. 17, 2008 6:23 a.m.

    I live out East, and trust me, the crowds in the East are no better than the crowds in Utah. Besides, there isn't a stadium in the country that is big enough to hold our combined home crowds. Although I've seen a lot of empty stadiums out here recently.

    And we're absolutely deserving of a top 10. I've seen the football out here, and it's not as good as you think it is.

  • Neutal Zone in Sandy
    Nov. 17, 2008 6:09 a.m.

    Go Cougars!!! The winner will take all - stats doesn't matter because this is the big one. Utah may be overrated and same too for BYU. But, a lot other top ten are overated too. But if Texas Tech beat Oklahoma, then yes they belong there. I want more than ever that BYU win all out!

  • Don't forget Snow College
    Nov. 17, 2008 6:07 a.m.

    Snow College, a school that has contributed star players to both Utah and BYU is number one in the Nation and will play for the NJCAA National Championship for the second year in a row at Rio Tinto stadium on December 6, GO BADGERS

  • Re: Why Y, Why!!!
    Nov. 17, 2008 5:59 a.m.

    Why Y, Why, why, whyi, whyin, whine, whine, whine...just like a cougar!

  • MattMO
    Nov. 17, 2008 5:49 a.m.

    Best high school game? Wow, whatever, whatever, whatever. You talking about the big least or the ACC. Come on get real. The best conf. this year hands down is Big 12. And yes I think Utah or BYU or TCU could very much hang with these teams. Out east you get to be spoiled by the BCS and think your better then everyone else. Grow up your glory days are coming to an end the USA conf. will beat any eastern conf.

  • re:Best High School Game Ever
    Nov. 17, 2008 5:43 a.m.

    Wow, those East Coast Teams are fierce aren't they?

    North Carolina, and Maryland--grrrrrr!! (top of the big bad ACC) So what if Maryland lost to Middle Tennessee St.

    Oh! Don't forget about the POWERFUL Big East--Yes, their top 2 teams: Cincinnatti and Pitt (that loss to Bowling Green isn't looking so bad now that they're 5th in the MAC!!!)

    OK, so you're thinking "don't leave out the Big 10." Yes they are better than the Big Least and the ACC. Hey, but they've sure gained a lot of respect the past few years thanks to their showings in the BCS championship games, right?

    And those stadiums!!!! The Big House! Wow, I cower in awe at Michigan and how many empty seats they have in that stadium!

    You are sooo right, let's have the winner of the ACC and Big East play for a National Championship!

  • JMT
    Nov. 17, 2008 5:42 a.m.

    Boy knock on wood if I've ever heard one!

    Di they just jinx the game and one team is going to blow out the other?

    I think it more likely Utah will win but BYU, if they play with intensity should do just fine. They should be able to paste about 30-35 points on Utah. The question is which defense will show up? The one that had three shut outs, etc or the one that has no secondary?

    Let's go Cougars!

  • Texas Ute
    Nov. 17, 2008 5:27 a.m.

    The reason bywho moved up 3 spots in the ranks, so the game would have more interest, Espn laughed at both Utah & Bywho and the b league they play in. It's tough to get wired week in and week out and still be undefeated. Utah should beat Bywho by 21.

  • RR
    Nov. 17, 2008 5:14 a.m.

    Well guys, these boards are going to be posted of ridiculous "X team will win, guaranteed," and "Our offense has slaughtered teams all year, and it won't change this week. Easy win." These are mild, to say the least. No stats or saying how X beat Z, so X should beat V, and so on, matter one bit. Why can't people understand this about this rivalry?

    I'm not even going to read any of this garbage people will put on here. It's a total waste of time. I'm going to wake up on Saturday and be excited about the game. No posting useless rivalry banter all over. We all know everything about both schools. May the smarter coach and team manage playing time in the 4th, and that team will win.

    With that said, GO BYU!!!!!!

  • Bob in line
    Nov. 17, 2008 5:10 a.m.

    BYU lost to TCU because of intensity and reading the headlines waaaay too much. Against Air Force it took a half time lecture by Collie to get the team to pick up the pace and quit being primadonnas.

    In life there are those who think greatness was thrust on them. The rest of us try to work at it.

    At times BYU thinks they are a team of destiny and just by showing up they will score 5 touchdowns a quarter. I'm hoping they realize they have to work dang hard at it.

    That cost them the TCU game.

    I like Utah, hate many of their immature fans, will be rooting for BYU on Saturday BUT if Utah wins there is a great silver lining for BYU: We do not get stuck in the Vegas Bowl, TCU does; and the MWC will have another BCS buster in play.

    Utah goes busting.
    TCU thumps another weak PAC-10 team.
    BYU gets out of the box and plays someone new.
    Plus Air Force ticks off some team with their option game.

    Another good bowl season for the MWC coming up.

    Go BYU!

  • re: 2 rinky dink
    Nov. 17, 2008 5:09 a.m.

    is a clueless fan of some mysterious out-of-state team who trolls a BYU/Utah blog to talk smack about a team/conference he's too chicken to identify.

    Are you lost? Do you need someone to show you back home?

  • Classic Matchup Indeed
    Nov. 17, 2008 4:00 a.m.

    We can only hope that the game lives up to the hype. It doesn't matter who wins if the game is as close and exciting as it has been the past several years.

    And that whoever wins will bring more even more glory to the entire conference in one of the BCS bowls.

    Worst case scenario for MWC: BYU beats Utah and sends a pitiful Boise State team back to the Fiesta Bowl.

    Signed, Craig aka the commish

  • re Best HS Game Ever?
    Nov. 17, 2008 3:55 a.m.

    Not sure exactly who or where you purport to represent, but you obviously do not have a clue about the reality of the quality of play played in this part of the world. Or that BYU regularly sells out 65,000 seat LES-bigger than almost half of the schools in the ACC/Big East/Big XII and several of the schools in the PAC 10, SEC, and Big 10. BYU and Utah have played and beaten almost every national powerhouse program at one time or another over the past 25 years.

    Please get a clue the next time you want to go spouting off about something you obviously know nothing about.

  • Re: Overrated, Best High School
    Nov. 17, 2008 3:16 a.m.

    Come back east? You mean where the ACC and the Big East don't have a single team ahead of the THREE MWC teams at the top of the rankings? Where no one can seem to distance themselves in spite of overall mediocrity?

    I don't think anyone will argue that the SEC and the Big 12 are vastly superior right now, but other than USC and Ohio State, the Pac 10 and Big 10 haven't made much a case for themselves this year, either (see Utah v. Oregon State earlier--a team that will probably play in a BCS bowl THIS YEAR and beat the "now" version of USC). By my count (and others in the national media) that puts the "now" MWC ahead of FOUR of the six BCS conferences.

    No matter what happens Saturday, it will be a travesty if at least one MWC team isn't in a BCS bowl.

  • Dear Small Minded!
    Nov. 17, 2008 2:40 a.m.

    To Best high school game ever? You have simply shown how small minded you are by your immature comments.

  • Spellcheck
    Nov. 17, 2008 2:01 a.m.

    tea = team, and 19 = 10.

    Best matchup ever???

    Sure, for BYU...

  • Yep,thatsKylewiththehurtin'tears
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:59 a.m.

    Utah, a tea that could not move the ball against Wyoming, 19 less yards during the game.


    Brian Johnson, Mr Clutch against the weaker teams, that folds up his tent when there is stiff competition on the field. Mr. Everything missed his reciever on the two point conversion. PI did not cause the reciever to miss the ball that was thrown so far behind him, he had to try to turn around and run over the OSU player to get within 5 feet of the ball, hence the late, phantom flag that gave Mr. Consistency his second shot at "clutchness".

    After all the Mighty Ute Fandom took all of those cheap shots against him last year, all Stud Reciever Austin Collie will have a career day, giving non-verbal shout outs to the Ute fanbase. Yhe Utes are toast, and Max will provide the fire.

    Sure, Utah had it's greatest game ever in Fort Worth while all Utes were home in slippers, and have spent the rest of the season hiding behind TCU's skirts...

    Eweyties, come out and play-ay...
    Eweyties, come out and play-ay...
    Eweyties, come out and play-aeee-ay...

    It's safe, BYU won't make you cry...

    OK, just a little.

  • Why Y, WHY!!!
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:49 a.m.

    Why couldn't have BYU beaten TCU!?! WHY? WHY? WHY? Can you imagine both teams were in the top 10? I follow both programs very closely and while my loyalty in the rivalry leans toward Cougartown I wanted the Utes to win in 2004. This time I am personally as divided as the state.

    This maybe the Best. Matchup. Ever. but it could have been better. Maybe it will be next year. What if both teams start the season ranked in the top 15 and run the table until the matchup!!

  • Best high school game ever?
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:16 a.m.

    More like "Most overrated Ever!"

    Your 2 rinky dink teams are no better that 20, TOPS!

    Yes there are other teams, in other larger conferences that would beat both these "teams" by 30 or more! I would even put Boise ahead of these 2008 wanna be's.

    It's a nice little game, in your nice little state.

    Best ever? Try coming out to our games out east where your combined fans wouldn't even fill our stadiums!

    Because of the confidence and choke factor I'll give BYU a slight edge by 10 in this one and then if they go to a BCS game I'll bet they lose to anyone they play by 35 big ones!

  • Excuses
    Nov. 17, 2008 12:59 a.m.

    For the last 11 months Ute fans have whined on these boards about how the reason they lost last year was because they had "so many injuries".

    This year, going into the "Best Matchup Ever," the Cougs are full of injuries. Pitta, Unga, and Feinga on offense are all banged up; half of the defense didn't even start at the beginning of the seasons.

    The difference between the programs is that the Utes make sure the injuries are known to everyone so they have an excuse when they lose. BYU just goes on playing, business as usual, and finds a way to win even when adversity strikes.

    I'll admit, The Utes have a great defense, but this is not the 2004 glory team. The Cougar Offense is full of winners. Unga and Pitta will play through the pain, and we all know that Collie is a winner.
    BYU has less pressure this year. For the first time in years they aren't favored, but they're winners.

    And if the game does come down to a last minute field goal, Sakota is going to miss. Remember what happened to BYU's All American Matt Payne in the Rivalry Game.......

    BYU 34
    UTAH 32

  • Utah Overrated
    Nov. 17, 2008 12:50 a.m.

    How can Utah be ranked in the top 10 when they have not beaten any top 10 teams this year? Utah hasn't EVER beaten a team ranked in the top 15 in the final season ending polls, or who has finished in the top 2 in their conference. Same with BYU.

    Utah and BYU play at best 1 or 2 top schools every year and struggle to beat the lower tier schools (eg. Michigan, Washington). I'm NOT talking about beating USC 10 years ago, I mean USC now, and teams who will FINISH ranked no 1 or 2 in their BCS conference. You guys don't play enough quality competition to be ranked so high.

  • Dan L
    Nov. 17, 2008 12:39 a.m.

    I can't stand the Yewts! A win Sat will make our season. It's like bowl week for BYU. Go Cougs!