BYU, Utah football: Rankings and the rivalry

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  • Anonymous
    Nov. 18, 2008 7:24 p.m.

    It has been another wonderful year of bragging rights for us cougar fans. I mean if it was a blow-out game in either of the last two years, it wouldn't be as sweet. I just wonder which player wearing red and white this Saturday will blow the game for the Utes with seconds left on the clock. Oh boy, two of the best moments of my life are recorded in minds of Utah fans as two of the worst. Harline! Collie! will it be Unga? Collie again? Death to the Utes! (again!)

  • I'm Seeing Red
    Nov. 18, 2008 6:48 p.m.

    I see a big win for the big RED on Saturday. BYU thanks for playing sorry for the let down. See ya next year for round II!!

    Nov. 18, 2008 2:43 p.m.


  • Prediction
    Nov. 17, 2008 11:32 p.m.

    34-27 BYU. The Cougar defense gives up 3 touchdowns, and their "bend but don't break" defense allows the Utes to get close, but ultimately holds and give up 2 field goals to one of the best kickers in the nation in Sakoda. BYU gets up early in the game scoring 2 touchdowns in the first, upset that so many people wrote them off because they have one loss, but Utah claws its way back into it off the energy of the home crowd and some playmakers on offense. Byu's offense struggles in the second, and beginning of the third, because of Utah's D which has been playing great, but regroups and puts together 4 impressive drives at the end of the 3rd and all of the 4th which results in 2 touchdowns and 2 field goals.

    Key Matchup- Collie vs. Mcain and Utah's secondary
    Keeps Collie under wraps for most of the game after studying extensive game film of his routes, moves, tendencies, ect... but, he breaks free for two or three 15 yard gains, and one long one in the fourth after setting up Utah's secondary all game. Which results in a TD.

  • Chuck Norris
    Nov. 17, 2008 10:15 p.m.

    I laugh at the UTE Pride for their "BCS" bowl game. It cracks me up how many Ute fans seriously think that the ultimate in College Football was that they got to play in a "big money" game against a team that didn't even finish the season in the top 20!

    Yes it's something that BYU hasn't done, yet, but realize that the BCS is only 10 years old, and because of what BYU did the system is changed and it is now possible for MWC teams to play in "Big Money" games. Under the present standard for BCS selection, BYU likely would have been a BCS team in 2001, 1996, 1990, 1985, 1984, 1983, 1980, and 1979.

    When it comes to history, the Cougars have clearly been in the national spotlight more.

    The bright side for Ute fans is your historical dominance on the hardwood. And the Utes are undefeated against DI schools so far this year. Go Boylen and your difficult non conference schedule. Go Utes.

    Don't Be surprised when your "Dominant Utes" come out of Saturdays game with a loss. This isn't 2004. Whether you deny it or not, this is a pretty impressive BYU team.

  • HAHAHAHAHAHA OmahaCougarfan
    Nov. 17, 2008 9:37 p.m.

    That is hillarious, I'm beginning to think you are a Ute fan making fun of how out of touch with football many BYU fans are because there is no way anyone who knows anything about football could really think what you wrote is true.
    "bigger, more physical hungrier Cougar defense", BJ chokes "in all big games" of course you probably don't get to see many of the games out in Omaha so I'm guessing you just imagine how they must have played out.

  • OmahaCougarfan
    Nov. 17, 2008 8:00 p.m. guys convinced me. I was too conservative in my 59-6 prediction. I don't think Brian Johnson will get close enough to the red zone, even for Mr. Sakoda. BJ will choke as he does in all big games and cough up the ball at least twice when he gets hit by the bigger, more physical, hungrier Cougar defense. Watch out for Jorgensen... Don't be surprised when you see Collie deep to return kicks for the first time, and he sprints 2 up the sideline for TD's. Max Hall is hands down the best non-bcs QB and will be right back in the Heisman talks after he puts up holy numbers against a ute defense that overpursues and gets burned on the play action.

  • re: RE: Geezer
    Nov. 17, 2008 7:40 p.m.

    Wrong. Utah hasn't played like UCLA because they have lost no games! BYU on the other hand had one like UCLA when they played TCU! Even if BYU plays like they did against UCLA against Utah, it won't be anywhere good enough because they can play their best game and get creamed by Utah!

  • re: OmahaCougarfan
    Nov. 17, 2008 7:36 p.m.

    One other thing. The BCS computers rank Utah at 4th. BYU is ranked 15th by the BCS computers. The non-biased computers no more about Utah's schedule and BYU's schedule than you do!

  • re: OmahaCougarfan
    Nov. 17, 2008 7:29 p.m.

    Wishing won't make it so, and it can't change history. Fact: BYU has the weaker schedule. They've only beaten two teams with winning records (Air Force and Northern Iowa). Utah has beaten (Air Force, Weber, Oregon State and TCU). TCU beat BYU, and it wasn't a bad day, BYU was beaten badly. Oh, and regarding your comment that BYU just had a bad day that one game, and Utah had all the close games, how about Colorado State? BYU just won that by 3, and it was in the last minute. How about UNLV? BYU just won that one by 7, and in the last minute as well! BYU coughed up over 30 points against both teams. Not very good defense!

    Finally, the team has to worry about overconfidence, and they are. The fans don't make a difference when it comes to overconfidence. I expect Utah to beat BYU by at least two TDs. 30 - 14.

  • Louie D
    Nov. 17, 2008 5:20 p.m.

    Wow - BYU is 13-3 in matchups when one or the other team is ranked. Maybe it has to do with some of the dumb comments I red elsewhere.

    One guy asked if BYU's team speed on defense would improve absent the honor code. I didn't know foot speed knew the difference.

    Speaking of team speed, the biggest MISCONCEPTION on TS is that it's about FOOTSPEED. Team speed has far more to do with decision making. Quick decsion making is one part of the equation. The other is being right when you make those decisions. BYU is actually very athletic and has excellent footspeed.

    What you are seeing this year is inexperience and that leads to slow reactions and/or poor decision making...and that results in an impression that the team is less athletic or slower physically. BYU is NOT slow in the backfield...mostly just inexperienced. TCU was quick because they were both fast and good decision makers defensively.

    Finally, BYU has several times been on the verge of breaking games open vs UTAH and then a PF,fake kick, hard turn on replay review happens and UTAH gets back in. Watch for game changing moments like those. Neither team's a pushover.

  • RE: Geezer
    Nov. 17, 2008 4:06 p.m.

    And it will be a thing of pure beauty if the Cougars play like they did against UCLA.

    Now before you Utes start blowing, think back on your games. More than a few of them, Utah played like UCLA. Don't tell me you feel like it can't happen.

    Every year, Utah loses some game it should have crushed. This year, it's this game.

  • Hey "OmahaCougarfan"
    Nov. 17, 2008 4:02 p.m.

    WAKE UP!!!! You have been dreaming about the impossible. HaHaHaHa, would you believe you actually thought the kewgs beat the Utes 59 - 6?!!!

    HaHaHaHa!! And to top it all off, the kewgs were invited to the Orange Bowl in your dream!!!! I'm rolling on the floor laughing at you!!

    You even thought the kewgs SOS was higher than that of the U of U!!!!

    Wow, I've met many optimistic, narrow-minded people in my life but you exceed them all!!

    The team with the best chance of upsetting the Broncos is Nevada on Saturday, but don't count on it. BSU will go undefeated in the weak WAC.

    As for your kewgs beating Utah in SLC, the best chance of that happening is in your dreams!! Now go back to sleep and see if your kewgs can score another touchdown or two before the Utes wake you on Saturday with an old fashioned thumping.

    Utah 38, byu 17

    Utah 27, Alabama 24 Sugar Bowl

    Tulsa 56, byu 52 Armed Forces Bowl

    Go Utes!!

  • geezer
    Nov. 17, 2008 3:45 p.m.

    BYU doesn't go to a BCS game regardless. If you're in love with the BCS you'd better hope Utah wins. Sorry, but I'm sick about BYU and BCS talk. A more relevant question might be will BYU's defense show up Saturday. They'll have to play well and the offense will have to hit on all cylinders to win. It'll be ugly if the Cougars play like they did against TCU.

  • OmahaCougarfan
    Nov. 17, 2008 2:50 p.m.

    BYU 59, Utah 6 (2 Louie Sakoda field goals in the 3rd).

    Utah has no chance in pulling off the upset. Yes, I said upset. We all know Utah struggled through more games than BYU and took on an easier schedule, even though BYU demoralized UCLA in a way that lessened the impact of our own dominance, and the Beavers ended up being better than expected. Still, BYU's dominance the past three years speaks for itself. in 2006 and 2007 when we breezed through the conference Utah was like the pesty step-brother that was annoying enough to keep it close, but couldn't close the deal. This year we had 1 off night to a team that embarrassed Utah (AT utah) and gave the game away by 2 missed field goals.

    Ute fans are way overconfident and ready for a fall. BSU will lose to Fresno State and BYU will roll over some lame ACC team in the Orange Bowl.

  • Wiley Old School
    Nov. 17, 2008 2:40 p.m.

    Hmmmm... 16 out of 18 times the higher ranked team has won. Of the other two, Utah is the team that pulled out the upset. I like that trend!

  • BCS Play-In Anyone?
    Nov. 17, 2008 12:07 p.m.

    I know we all wish that this could have been a game against two undefeated teams and a guaranteed BCS play-in game.

    However, if Nevada can pull out a win over Boise State earlier in the day (or Fresno the next week) then it will be. I remember the week after the TCU loss everyone said BYU's BCS hopes were gone. I said they were most likely gone but if Utah was undefeated until Nov.22 and BYU won out then the victory over a legitimate top ten Utah team would launch BYU deservedly into a BCS game so long as Tulsa and Boise managed a loss and none of the ACC/Big East teams passed BYU. Well, Utah beat TCU and won out, Tulsa lost, the Big East and ACC are still terrible. BYU is two games away from a BCS bowl. Victory over Utah and a Boise State loss.

    Even if Boise doesn't lose BYU will have an outside chance at going BCS bowling at large. If a couple top Big Ten teams lose then it's not out of the question.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad
    Nov. 17, 2008 6:57 a.m.

    whoo, that's a whole lotta games where BYU was ranked higher than Utah.

    I must admit, however, that I don't see a many games where BYU upset a higher ranked Utah team. Here's to a BYU first!

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 17, 2008 6:40 a.m.

    Who cares what byu was ranked.

  • 2006?
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:44 a.m.

    BYU was ranked #21 when BYU beat Utah in 06.