Mike Sorensen: Little known facts for a rivalry game

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  • Girl Above
    Nov. 19, 2008 4:43 p.m.

    I was watching the advertisement above and thought yes it will be a replica of Cougar fans faces on game day. Check the ad out it is way UGLY (up above). Anyway. Hope yall survive the big crash and make it through your rehab.

  • BYU Cougars
    Nov. 18, 2008 7:01 p.m.

    Why don't we just stop all the trash talking and just wait for the game on Saturday, then we can start trash talking....

  • UTEs Will Win Large
    Nov. 18, 2008 6:57 p.m.

    I am smiling in anticipation of a very lopsided score in favor of the Utes. I honestly believe the Cougs are not even good enough to beat Utah or Boise State. In fact I am pretty sure they would lose to Hawaii and Fresno State. This Cougar team is soooooooooooo over-rated they need to take another dump. I see it coming on 11/22/08 at the RES.

  • History
    Nov. 18, 2008 2:49 p.m.

    You can argue all you want about the history of both teams, but the most telling fact is that the series has been split evenly over the last 20 years, with most of the games being decided by a TD or less. This is going to be a close game. It's a good thing though that the Ute offense is about as stagnant as the BYU defense.


  • Glad I don't live there
    Nov. 18, 2008 12:58 a.m.

    Ute fans are the most obnoxious on the planet.

  • Re: BCS Bowl Gam'es...
    Nov. 18, 2008 12:20 a.m.

    "I laugh at the UTE Pride for their "BCS" bowl game. It cracks me up how many Ute fans seriously think that the ultimate in College Football is getting to play in a "big money" game against a team that didn't even finish the season in the top 20!"

    Ummmmm, playing in one of four BCS games IS the ultimate in college football.

    It cracks me up how many kewg fans seriously think that the ultimate in college football is getting to play in a NC game (Holiday Bowl... hahaha) against a 6-6 team that didn't even finish the season in the top 20!

    Think before you post!

  • Blow Out
    Nov. 17, 2008 10:12 p.m.

    Oh. There is no question it will be a BLOW OUT. Utah 38 BYU 7(It Could be a shut out though).

  • cougar fan
    Nov. 17, 2008 9:59 p.m.

    whoever thinks the game will be a blow out needs to get a life. the game will be within a touchdown. this is how i see it. BYU's offense will be slightly better than utah's defense. and utah's offense will either tie or be slightly better than BYU's defense. so i think it comes down to special teams. with BYU's kick blocking and their punt tipping and utah's kicking and pinning deep ability i see the game score will be within the 30's. i only say that because the offense of both teams are slightly better than the other teams defense. but i expect a great game. also i expect BYU to win because utah will drop a lot of putns/kick returns. if they didnt then utah would win. but the stats show that they will drop a key punt/kick return/pass or fumble becuase or line is 100 pounds bigger than utahs and our running backs are as big as utah's lineman. people think odds are in utah's favor. but if you look at everything carefully BYU has better odds plus johnson's choices arent utah's favor.

    BYU blocks or kicks a field goal. thats how the game ends!!!

  • BCS Bowl Gam'es...
    Nov. 17, 2008 9:48 p.m.

    I laugh at the UTE Pride for their "BCS" bowl game. It cracks me up how many Ute fans seriously think that the ultimate in College Football is getting to play in a "big money" game against a team that didn't even finish the season in the top 20!

    Yes it's something that BYU hasn't done, yet, but realize that the BCS is only 10 years old, and because of what BYU did the system is changed and it is now possible for MWC teams to play in "Big Money" games. Under the present standard for BCS selection BYU would have been a BCS team in 2001, 1996, 1990, 1984, 1983, 1980, and 1979.

    The bright side is that for your historical dominance atleast you have basketball to fall back on. And the Utes are undefeated against DI schools so far this year.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 17, 2008 9:45 p.m.

    "The real little sister can't get out of the first round of the NCAA tournament"

    I'll bet you Utes have tons of stories to tell about the highs and lows of BCI tournament play,

    What was it like to play and lose in a touney put together to find the 98th best team in the country?

  • Vegas Ute
    Nov. 17, 2008 9:39 p.m.

    Fact: Utah has never lost in the rivalry when

    Fact: Utah favored by 4 points.

    Rumor: Pitta game time with knee injury.
    Big problem for CUBERS even if 70%.
    George is nowhere as good.

    Fact: Unga won't be a factor. Powerful, but too

    Fact: Utah held both the PAC-10 and MWC leading
    rushers to

  • Go Cougs!!!
    Nov. 17, 2008 9:38 p.m.

    This game will be a very competitive game. Both teams will move the ball well and will score over 20. I think in the end coaching and O-line will be the difference. BYU wins 27-24 Collie has over 100 yards for the tenth straight game. Hall goes 30-39 389 yards 2 TDs 0 INT

  • Cougar Fan
    Nov. 17, 2008 9:19 p.m.

    ok one. if you think the game will be a blow out. get a freaking life. the game will come down to the last team with the ball. like it usually does. and usually that ends up in BYU's favor. second. everyone says that utahs defense is amazing. dont get me wrong it is amazing. but for the past two years it hasnt been. actually three years. ya BYU lost but utah let BYU come back from a huge lead. utahs defese CHOKES. everyone knows it. but this year hopefully it will be a good scoring game and utahs defense and returning sp doesnt choke because if they do(like they have done this year an last year) then BYU will crush them. but i want a good game. my prediction is though looking at the stats from the season is BYU:31 utah:28 off a blocked field goal 40+. thats how i see it. or just a touchdown in the last seconds. but i wish both teams good luck and i hope they put a the best game in BYU vs UTAH history


  • re: BYU Fan
    Nov. 17, 2008 9:11 p.m.

    I'll take our unbeaten record in 2004 that includes a BCS bowl win. A team that could've won the National Championship in a title game versus BYU's National Championship in 1984 where they did'nt win as many games, and they just barely beat a Michigan team that was barely bowl eligible. Both did the same thing of going undefeated, but one never had a close game and looked ever the champion while the other just barely sqeaked out a win to make everybody wonder if they could've done it against the #2 team.

  • re: Texas Utah Fan
    Nov. 17, 2008 8:58 p.m.

    First of all, Utah was supposed to lose those two games, and yet, they almost won both. This year, we are supposed to win, and we will win! It will be 2004 all over again! Our defense if far better at holding the other team from last minute heroics this year. They've stopped a few teams in that mode.

  • Utah Fan
    Nov. 17, 2008 8:16 p.m.

    BCS Bowl games, one team has one, the other one doesn't.

    Top 10 ranking, one team has one, the other one doesn't.

    Favored by 6.5 points, one team is, the other team isn't.

    Chance for a BCS Bowl game, one team has one, the other doesn't.

    52-33-4 head to head record, one team has it, the other has 33-52-4, yet talks smack.

    Will you ever learn?

    Enjoy the Armed Forces Bowl!! I'll send you postcards from Phoenix, New Orleans or Miami, where the Utes will be playing in their 2nd BCS Bowl!!

    GO UTES!!

  • Mexico cougar fan
    Nov. 17, 2008 8:12 p.m.

    Doesn't BYU lead in the turnover margin. That will be the difference in the game.

  • BYU Fan
    Nov. 17, 2008 7:45 p.m.

    NCAA national football champions trophy.

    One team in Utah has one, one doesn't.

    End of analysis.

  • Little Sister
    Nov. 17, 2008 7:00 p.m.

    Ummmmmm, the real little sister trails in the series 52-33-4. The real little sister has never been to a major bowl (> $10M payout). The real little sister can't get out of the first round of the NCAA tournament and has never been to a final 4.

    Oh, props for little sis for beating 6-6 Michigan, backing into a NC without beating anyone.... which created the BCS so such an embarrassing moment would never happen again.

    Come on up to RES on Saturday so big brother can spank your slow kewgs. Be sure to dig your red shirts out of the closet and join us again pretending to be Ute fans at our BCS game.

    Go Utes!!

  • score
    Nov. 17, 2008 6:35 p.m.

    BYU 24
    Utah 21
    in OT
    However I would not be surprised to have higher scores

  • Little Brother
    Nov. 17, 2008 6:35 p.m.

    I guess i just don't understand the whole little brother comment. I guess having two older siblings, I never really thought thought being a little brother was that bad.

    So, if Utah fans are so set on having a little brother, I say let them. I, a genuine BYU alumni, will gladly be their little brother, and they can be either of my big sisters that they want.

    Now can we get back to football? Hey Sis, what's for dinner? OOH, blackened bird/hawk-like thing, my favorite.

    Son of a Ute

  • Utah's RM's
    Nov. 17, 2008 6:26 p.m.

    Wow, I'm so proud of Utah having more RM's. Last I heard, every single one of them will tell you it was the best 2 months of their lives.

    Son of a Ute

  • BYU Fan
    Nov. 17, 2008 6:16 p.m.

    I must say that I was more than a little concerned about BYU before the AFA game. But I now have full confidence in the offense to score just enough points. BYU's DB sqaud is certainly the weakest part of the team, what with all the injuries(Scott Johnson DOUBLE groin tear, OUCH!) and 2nd, 3rd stringers playing. But the ute O isn't too hot either, but their D is tough. and ofcourse the utes have Sakoda(the utes saving grace in many games).
    Still, BYU will pull off a come from behind victory
    BYU 34
    utah 30

  • Facts
    Nov. 17, 2008 5:46 p.m.

    More self righteous? Subjective not a fact. The funny thing here is that the U has a high number of LDS students that actually live, or say they do, the BYU honor code. It is just well hidden on game days.

    More RM's better start counting. This is not correct.

    Coach W actually listened to BYU and then took Utah's increased offer. During the process Utah substantially raised the ante. I'm sure Kyle is pleased he talked with BYU because of the increased salary he received.

    One interesting note: For the facts guy. What school did Matt Asiata apply for entrance and was turned away because of grades twice? Once before Snow and then also after Snow?

  • RE: Re: More facts | 3:42 p.m.
    Nov. 17, 2008 4:32 p.m.

    Keep working on fact #1. Calling someone else "self-righteous" is kind of like saying "You is stoopider than I is" - it really says more about you than it does about the other person.

  • re: facts 3:42
    Nov. 17, 2008 4:02 p.m.

    Thank goodness on fact #3!

  • to: Re: More facts | 3:42 p.m.
    Nov. 17, 2008 4:00 p.m.

    0 for 3 on "facts", but keep trying, you still have most of the week left to come up with a true fact.

  • RE: special teams
    Nov. 17, 2008 3:51 p.m.

    Utah has the edge in special teams because Sakoda doesn't miss, and he has a golden leg. He is an all-american. He will be in the NFL.

    BYU's kicker (what's his name?) is a JC transfer (so I'm told). That is why the Utes have the edge in special teams.

    This isn't a conspiracy. Sakoda is proven.

  • Re: More facts
    Nov. 17, 2008 3:42 p.m.

    Fact: BYU fans tend to be more self-righteous like you. That's why a lot of Utah fans don't like you.

    Fact: University of Utah has more LDS returned missionaries on its team right now than BYU.

    Fact: Utah's head coach had the chance to coach BYU for more money, but chose not to.

  • Re: Re: Todd from VA is Lame
    Nov. 17, 2008 3:03 p.m.

    Okay, Sakoda has a great leg. Everybody says so. But net punting should tell the tale. Let's take a look at the bottom line for the year:

    Net Punting:
    Utah (w/ Mr. Perfect Louie Sakoda) - 47 punts, 40.6 yards avg, 8 touchbacks

    BYU (w/ Mr. JC transfer) - 36 punts, 41.5 yards
    avg., 4 touchbacks

    BYU's punter has had better placement, longer kicks, and hasn't had to punt as often.

    So, why is you're giving Utah the edge in Special Teams?

  • Henry Drummond
    Nov. 17, 2008 2:57 p.m.

    Somehow these comments like the intensity of posts I have seen in previous years. We need some help here. Maybe we can get Bronco to Guarantee a Victory for BYU.

  • Re: Todd from VA is lame . . .
    Nov. 17, 2008 2:25 p.m.

    An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.[2]

  • Re: Todd from VA is Lame
    Nov. 17, 2008 2:05 p.m.

    Keep it coming all week. I was in a really bad mood until I read these comments and the follow-up thereafter.

    To ALL BYU fans: live up this week. To ALL UTAH fans: live up this week. Under the current system when will this type of week EVER happen again? Both insitutions and its fans deserve to have some fun this week. If this game has to be decided by special teams, which it very well could be, Utah has the edge. If defense is what will control the outcome of this game Utah has the edge. If it is offense that will solely win the game BYU is a juggernaut on offense. However, rare is it offense is all you need to be a quality team. These are the facts. BYU has an adequate SP teams, an average (at best) defense, and a great offense. Utah has a great SP teams (Louie-need I say more) who pin teams deep in their own territory and don't give the opportunity to run the ball back on kickoffs. The defense is very, very good. What more is there to say? The offense, though not as good as BYU, will be fine.

  • Texas Utah Fan
    Nov. 17, 2008 2:02 p.m.

    As a U fan, I have to say that I am concerned. Twice now we've thought we had the game wrapped up, and twice we've found a way to let it slip away. That is the most concerning thing that I feel right now. No matter how good we think we are, we've found ways to let BYU beat us.

    I just worry about this one too.

  • Re Zoobies
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:57 p.m.

    Yes you can say "Harline is still open in the endzone or 4th and 18"....
    But in response the Utes kinda win
    "Alex Smith is still holding up the FIESTA BOWL TROPHY AFTER WINNING EVERY GAME THAT YEAR!"

    oh, and exchange Brian Johnson for Alex Smith and you have this year:)

  • AggieGal
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:51 p.m.

    What fun is a rivalry without trash talk?

  • re: More Facts
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:36 p.m.

    Of course Bwhiner students are a lot like Utah students. That's why the U calls byU their little brother. Keep questing for perfection zoobs, you might be as good as the U someday.

  • Hooooute Lover
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:35 p.m.

    Coug kittens are already starting to whine about their injuries! By the end of the week, they will use justification in their future loss because of Utah's home field advantage and their star players on the injury list.
    Utah by 27.

  • California Ute
    Nov. 17, 2008 1:05 p.m.

    Yeah, um,

    Pretty sure there's a lot of nonsensical trash talking going on here...why doesn't everyone just wait for the game instead of talking like a bunch of kindergarteners?

    We all know the U isn't full of people with low IQ's. Talk to most Freshman girls at BYU and you'll promptly want to shoot yourself in the head.

    And everyone at the U doesn't automatically have street-cred. Like somebody said earlier, half of them live with mommy and daddy still, commuting from their suburban shelters.

    As a typical out-of-state, temporary resident of Utah that is tired of the constant trash talk across the "Great Divide," let me remind all of you that people at these two GREAT (yes, you heard it, BOTH of them) institutions talk trash for one reason, naivete. Watch the game, then laugh and point.

  • Todd from VA is lame...
    Nov. 17, 2008 12:59 p.m.

    "Trolling?" Hmmm.... Too bad his "trolling" didn't work during his NFL career - o wait, he didn't really have one. And by "trolling," did you mean a linebacker dropping out of zone coverage to try and hit Beck, thus leaving him open? I'll make sure to scratch that out of my Webster's Dictionary and insert the new definition.

  • Bet the Over
    Nov. 17, 2008 12:56 p.m.

    What is your evidence to suggest that the Why's offense is capable of man-handling utah's defense? You've played one good defense, and the only reason you scored as much as you did was because the put the 3rd stringers in.

    And, as bad as your defense is (and i said this in the above post) no-one knows which utah offense is gonna show up- 35 points in the first half against San Diego or 3 points in the second half against michigan. I could be far off, but i think most logical people will agree with my 31 point over/under

  • Utah Cougar
    Nov. 17, 2008 12:52 p.m.

    Does anyone know where I can find a blue treasure troll?

  • Bet the Over
    Nov. 17, 2008 12:48 p.m.

    Pretty sure most of us Y fans know a lot more about gambling and football than you give us credit for. (Wish we knew less about gambling) There is no way these two teams don't get into the 20s each. BYU's offense is too good and their defense too poor for that not to happen. GO COUGS

  • To Re: Todd from VA is lame . .
    Nov. 17, 2008 12:40 p.m.

    Don't be knocking on slap-bracelets and boondoggle. They are commin' back

  • Frank Castle
    Nov. 17, 2008 12:37 p.m.

    Pay Attention Cougar fans. This article states that BYU admists Utah has the series advantage... by a comfortable margin.

    No way does the Y hang as many pts on the U as Oregon St or Michigan did!!!!

  • Re: to train
    Nov. 17, 2008 12:29 p.m.

    Hahaha! Keep those BYU jokes comin'! Since I'm not supposed to know any gambling terminology-good thing this is anonymous-I'll put the over/under on the average Ute fan's IQ at about 75. Yep, that's about right.

  • Re: Todd from VA is lame . . .
    Nov. 17, 2008 12:11 p.m.

    It may have been lame, but his trolling worked on you.

  • to: train
    Nov. 17, 2008 12:09 p.m.

    great post, man, but I'm pretty sure nobody from the Y knows what "over under" means...it's probably against the honor code to know gambling terminology - they may lose their privledges to the Wilkinson Center or The Creamery or something, and life just can't go on without that...

  • Todd from VA is lame...
    Nov. 17, 2008 12:02 p.m.

    So, Todd, after 2 years you're still using the most lame response to this whole situation "___ is still open..." GROW UP and think for yourself for once. How is it that you've had two years to think up some new material for the rivalry, yet you continue to be less-than-creative creative and utilize comebacks from 2006? Maybe you still use boondoggle and slap-bracelets, too, along with your troll doll collection.

  • train
    Nov. 17, 2008 11:54 a.m.

    I laugh at you bwhyu fans who think your actually going to score 35+ points on saturday. You guys are a joke. I have the over under pegged at 31. You never know what offense is going to show up with jughead in the both, and as good as the why's offense is, Utah's defense will smother them

    Utah 17
    WHY 14

  • Todd Norfolk VA
    Nov. 17, 2008 8:24 a.m.

    Collie and Harline are still open and that scares even the alpha yewt.

  • Gretzky
    Nov. 17, 2008 8:06 a.m.

    look for BYU to finally have some spark since the UCLA game and call it BYU 42 and Utah 35.

  • Mike Johnson Fallon NV
    Nov. 17, 2008 8:03 a.m.

    This is a big game. I agree--far better than the Washington Washington State game (BTW, Washington State does have a win over Portland State). I think Washington may just get a win this week as Washington State is probably the inferior team.

    I doubt BYU will win 42-28. On paper, Utah wins this game. But, it isn't played on paper, but on the field and we have seen "miracles" performed by BYU in the past. The teams are pretty even. More likely than not, it will be decided by a touchdown or less. Because of the string of late miracles that Utah remembers, I am expecting this year that Utah will have BYU down by two scores late in the game to end the streak of miracles.

  • re: Big Dadddy..AncientCougar
    Nov. 17, 2008 7:27 a.m.

    Leave it to a ewt to get the "Utah" propaganda score wrong... IT is Utah by 5.... (Tom Barberi's annual BYU-Utah projection)...


    This year look for BYU 42 Utah 28

  • Y Grad / Y Dad
    Nov. 17, 2008 6:54 a.m.

    You in Utah really DON'T know how good you have it. In my neck of the woods, the big rivalry is the Apple Cup - Washington -vs- Washington State.

    High stakes indeed. Somebody will win a game this year.

  • More facts
    Nov. 17, 2008 5:38 a.m.

    Utah is third highest in percentage of LDS students behind BYU and Utah St. You'd never know it by the behavior of some students and fans who 'pretend' not be be LDS during this week.

    Utah has over 80% of its students living at home with mom and dad. Kind of takes the edge off all the 'tough talk' you hear.

    Utah and BYU are alike in all other demographics - students mostly from Utah, California and the West. Kind of blows the Utah mirage of being cosmopolitan.

    To most of us outside Utah, we are mildly amused by the antics of Utah students and fans to 'distance' themselves from BYU - you are more alike than you will admit!!!

  • RR
    Nov. 17, 2008 5:26 a.m.

    That was a great article. Very much needed and I hope these trash talkers read this because it seems both sides are clueless to the history to this rivalry. Us fans are so lucky to be part of a huge and historic rivalry. Many colleges barely have a rival, so we truly are lucky.

  • Big Daddy
    Nov. 17, 2008 3:45 a.m.

    Mike let me help you....Utah by 8
    Go UTES!!!!