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  • Daryl
    Nov. 18, 2008 3:47 p.m.

    For those who believe there is a GOD who has given rules, commandments etc. we have a choice to follow HIS teaching or turn against them. Those in society who say we must comprimise and get along do not understand that if HE does exist and if we do believe or know HE does, that they are asking us to tell our GOD that he is wrong and that HE must change HIS rules. If that is the case then HE is not GOD but a mans needs to worship some higher being real or not. They are are asking us to choose betwwen there concept of life and the one GOD has given us. Whom do ye fear GOD or man, do not ask us to turn on our beliefs so you can live your life without anyone saying yea or nay to it. We have a moral obligation to our Creator to stand up for HIS teachings if we are to say we believe.

  • CharlieBrown
    Nov. 18, 2008 5:21 a.m.

    Total absence of freedom takes place in a totalitarian system. Total absence of restraint takes place in a society dominated by anarchy and chaos. Once you take away the definition of mariage as the union of one man to one woman, anything goes, and soon the world will be peopled with lonely individuals who will only have sex as a solution to feel bonded to someone or something else.

    The same applies to abortion. First, women were allowed to abort; next, the time allowed to have an abortion was extended; now, we are talking about whether it is OK for a mother to abort a six-month old, who would otherwise be viable with the help of modern medicine...

  • to Brother Chuck Schroeder
    Nov. 17, 2008 8:24 p.m.

    you must not know any gay people, 'cause the gay people i know care about other people too, not just about themselves. they've been abused and treated like second-class citizens or worse for so long they have more compassion than most straight people i know.

    maybe you should befriend more gay people.

  • Cassandra
    Nov. 17, 2008 8:05 p.m.

    Wrong, Brother S: Straight people ARE allowed to enter into domestic partnerships in California if they qualify under the statute.

    And, how is equal treatment--wanting gay couples treated the same as heterosexual couples UNDER THE LAW--preferrential?

  • Cassandra
    Nov. 17, 2008 7:55 p.m.

    "It's interesting that people of other races are never racist, right? only white people. It's interesting that hate crimes are only committed by white, straight people, and that anyone else could never be the instigator of a hate crime."

    Ellen: That's not true. I'm not sure where you are getting your information.

    I am a third year law student and have studied some things (though not everything) about hate crimes. The vast majority of hate crime legislation states that hate crimes can be committed against any group by on the basis of certain characteristics (typically race, but often also includes religion, sexual orientation and gender, among others). Indeed, minorities have been prosecuted for hate crimes against other minorities, and also against whites. Further, most hate crimes are not separate crimes, but rather enhancements (that create longer sentences) for existing crimes (so a murder would have a longer sentence if committed on the basis of one of the above categories). Basically, the idea is that a hate crime is not directed simply against one person, but rather is intended to target and intimidate the victim's entire group.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder
    Nov. 17, 2008 6:13 p.m.

    Do gays really push for equal rights for all or do they simply want more rights for themselves? One of the big pushes against Prop. 8 before the election was for "equal rights," claiming Prop. 8 discriminates against gays. However, are gays also pushing for the rights of a brother to marry his sister, for a human to marry an animal or for a man or woman to have multiple spouses? All I see and hear is the push for the right for gays to marry each other. The other relationships are forbidden by law because of societal beliefs, not to mention Christian beliefs, upon which this nation and its constitution were formed.

    In addition, a straight couple in California cannot enter into a domestic partnership. I don't hear the gay community arguing for that allowance either. Where the line should be drawn for "equal" rights in forming marital relationships is being protested and argued. However, the gay community is merely focusing on getting only itself across the line of acceptance while leaving others behind. To me, they simply want preferential treatment. What do you think?

    Remember; Romans, Chapter 1 ?.

  • You're missing the point!
    Nov. 17, 2008 12:40 p.m.

    Far from showing that Californias Supreme Court was wrong to extend the right of marriage to gay people, the passage of Proposition 8 is a reminder of the crucial role that the courts play in protecting vulnerable groups from unfair treatment. Mormons should remember this, since you yourselves are vulnerable.

  • Keith
    Nov. 16, 2008 10:41 p.m.

    If the proposition passed, then the constitution of California is changed by a voice of the people, right?
    How then can the judges in California act contrary to their own constitution?
    I too am glad it passed. Any future requests for support for similar threats to true happiness will see me stand firm and steadfast in defense of truth and life.

  • RickLDS
    Nov. 16, 2008 10:02 p.m.

    I think LGBT community involved here are just looking for an easy target. So many do not realize that Mormons make up 770,000 to 800,000 of the 38 million people living in California and of those 800,000 people, maybe half of them would be voting age. And even though Latter-day Saints tends to have a higher turn-out to the polls than the average Americans, I seriously doubt they had 100% turn-out. And some will still not vote with the rest.

    Sorry, to blame this on the Mormon Church seems to be just too convenient (at the very least).

  • maplegal
    Nov. 16, 2008 8:43 p.m.

    Everyone has a right to their opinion, but its totally unfair of those who were against Prop 8 to come to places of worship ( particularly LDS) and vandalize and have rallies outside those places. The LDS church is not the only church or organization which cares about traditional marriage values. We are but 1 of many and the majority voted Yes. Furthermore, we are not going to gay bars or clubs or organizations and breaking their windows, sending envelopes with powder to them and other things. We are not for what they want but we dont act like hooligans. What would Jesus do? 1) he would of voted yes also 2) he would not use violence to make his point. It wont make people accept people of that lifestyle sooner, they will be seen as not only against what we are for, but thugs and vandals and very poor sports also.

  • John Campbell
    Nov. 16, 2008 5:55 p.m.

    I'm not associated to the LDS church, but I do admire their family values and standing strongly on not according acts of abomination to become part of government. The Bible denounces such acts and no less than 7 times in the new testament. I'm not even of a religious nature and make no claims to such, yet I can figure out right from wrong when it comes to homosexual acts. I certainly don't want this taught as a norm in schools and such.

    My hat is off to the LDS church for their efforts. In California the homosexual individuals already have laws in place for their desire to "domestic partner" with one another. I see no need for them to attack the sanctity of marriage. In fact, to view this from a religious history would easily align such an attack with an undergrowth of evil pushing it. How many times throughout history have Christians been persecuted in every way imaginable? Is this yet another chapter in that history unfolding?
    Pray for the homosexual mind to receive God's help in overcoming their affliction. Pray they remove the chains of their ways.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 16, 2008 5:36 p.m.

    The supporters of Prop 8 acted in a group-up responsible way (if they hadn't, the media would have been all over it). Now that Prop 8 has been passed, we see how horrible the supporters of same-sex marriage can be. Intolerance and hate has overflowed from them. I don't see or hear anyone on the pro-gay-marriage side decrying the terrible actions being carried out by their allies and comrades. The pro-gay-marriage folks lost, and they are acting like babies about it.

    Marriage and same-sex just makes no sense. It would be like feminists demanding that they be allowed to have fatherhood. It's a crazy idea.

  • re: a right? 3:17 PM 11/14
    Nov. 16, 2008 3:45 p.m.

    said: "The Edmunds-Tucker act, as upheld by the US Supreme Court, affirms that the government may determine which types of marriages are acceptable. This issue was over in the late 1800s folks. "

    I'm glad someone brought this up. Didn't the Supreme Court (the court of last resort) define marriage when it upheld the anti-bigamy statute of Edmonds-Tucker? Why are we having to make this part of each individual state constitution? Love to hear from the lawyers out there. Oh, one more question: what would it take to repeal the ammendment to the CA constitution? Is it just a simple majority again, or a different type of outcome? thanks!

  • Arizona Transplant
    Nov. 16, 2008 3:36 p.m.

    I voted by early ballot in AZ before moving to Utah just before the election. I voted YES on prop 102 in that state. I had already made up my mind about this issue BEFORE I was encouraged to help get the prop passed. However, I did not actively participate in the passage of the prop except to vote for it. Just because the LDS church encourages its members to do something doesn't mean we automatically do it. 1 pm poster to Nigel said "but your leadership told all mormons to donate - so it's the same thing." I did not donate either time or money to the campaign, however, I did let friends and family in AZ and CA know that I was voting for the prop and that I hoped they would, too. All donations of money and time by members was voluntary and I can tell you no one will be asked what they did or how they voted. Following church leaders is a matter of faith and conscienious. We do it because it is the right thing to do. In this case, I had neither the spare cash or time to do more than I did.

  • thiaCyn
    Nov. 16, 2008 2:03 p.m.

    YES!! Thank you Richard Adams for all the businesses that supported YES on 8!!! I will now give my loyal best to support them! And you all can go to ElectionTrack.com and see who supported NO on 8! And I agree with one post that we should turn off the TV's and start BOYCOTTING HOLLYWEIRD! As for the governator of Cali, he was given a large amount of money by the RINOs, The Log Cabin Republicans, the gay politicians. Just remember when we BOYCOTT these people, we don't give monies to their movements, the liberal agenda.

  • Barbara
    Nov. 16, 2008 11:45 a.m.

    We must stay strong and stand together. Hate the sin, love the sinner.

    A choice of behavior" does not equal a "right". That would be like saying people who commit adultery deserve special rights and privileges because they choose to engage in a certain behavior.

  • Vi Kanavel
    Nov. 16, 2008 8:32 a.m.

    No matter what is going on at this time, we know who is at the bottom of it and it is NOT The Lord.
    The old addage of "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never harm me" is still true.
    Why do we need to do anything to people who don't know any better? Of course if it will make anyone happier, go ahead. As for me, I know what is right and what is wrong as many of us do.
    This too shall pass. Heavenly Father is still in charge and we are all just renting space here on earth.
    Keep the faith and follow the Prophet and all will be well!

  • An LDS Mom
    Nov. 16, 2008 8:18 a.m.

    To: Love gays too. Try being the Mom of a daughter, raised in the church, married(I'm Canadian) to her lesbian lover. I love my daughter, love her mate, but cannot condone their relationship. If one reads the Bible with an open mind, they will understand that Heavenly Father condemms ALL sexual activities outside marriage, by His definition, between a man and a woman. I don't hate gays, but do hate the sexual garbage that we are being inundated with. I work in a public serving job. Many times I can feel the love that the Lord has for his children, just by being in their presence. How can I do any less than the Lord, I would be a hippocrit.I am dismayed by the public hatred and lack of understanding expressed by those who feel that we must agree with their ideas or we hate them. Perhaps the shoe needs to be put on the other foot. They don't agree with us...hummm Hate the sin, love the sinner. Living with that motto would bring a lot of peace into the world.

  • Jed
    Nov. 16, 2008 4:25 a.m.

    Wow. I an grateful that the Church took a stand on this.

    Paul said he gloried in his sufferings that he suffered for Christ, and I feel to rejoice with him.

    God bless all who stand up for what is right and are persecuted and scorned for it!

  • Martin from CALI!
    Nov. 15, 2008 10:55 p.m.

    We need to put an END to this NOW!!I am sick and tired that we (LDS Members) have to always turn around and give the other cheek!!!!We need to STAND UP, GET UP and fight for OUR RIGHTS!

  • Beatrice @7:17 pm Nov 14, 2008
    Nov. 15, 2008 10:41 p.m.

    Huhhhhh???? Please explain what HATE the Mormons exhibit towards others? The LDS church is the first organization to send food, clothing & aid to disaster areas all over the WORLD! They are prepared to help the minute there is a disaster, just ask the Red Cross. Yep, that shows real hatrid towards others doesn't it. Too bad you don't know more about the LDS church - Hey, I know two young men who would love to teach you more about what we believe.........

  • cybereagle777
    Nov. 15, 2008 10:05 p.m.

    Let's see now: hacking, disturbing the peace, verbal abuse, etc. Sounds like these are some "nice, calm" people. I'm not a member of the LDS church, but I hope they'll keep fighting on and never back down.

  • Yockel
    Nov. 15, 2008 9:03 p.m.

    Obama has also unequivocally stated that he is against Proposition 8.

  • New Mexico
    Nov. 15, 2008 8:54 p.m.

    Thank you Richard Adams @9:22- Now I know which businesses I will support even more!!!

  • Connie
    Nov. 15, 2008 8:32 p.m.

    I know that at the head of our Church is a Prophet of God, who speaks for God. God does not make mistakes and neither do our Church Leaders. We need to really pray and refrain from lashing out at others, our local law enforcements are there to keep the peace, let them do their job. Those that are breaking laws by vandalism will be brought to justice. Hopefully those that are involved in violent protests and intimidation will remember that our government takes domestic terrorism very seriously. All is well, our journey is not through.

  • Follow the Prophet @ 10:15
    Nov. 15, 2008 7:30 p.m.

    I can't wait to read the talk. Thanks.

  • I agree Wayne
    Nov. 15, 2008 7:27 p.m.

    I think they're just having fun deleting everyone's perfectly valid comments

  • Boycott Obama
    Nov. 15, 2008 4:47 p.m.

    All of these people that are so upset over Prop 8 are many of the same ones that were crying with joy and rapture when Barack Obama was elected. Obama has stated unequivically on many occasions that he is opposed to gay marriage. Maybe they should picket him instead. After all, he will be the most powerful person in the world in about 8 weeks.

  • Wondering
    Nov. 15, 2008 1:49 p.m.

    I think the pro-gay marriage movement is being underwritten by divorce attorneys. If gay marriage becomes legal everywhere, it will take an army of attorneys to handle the divorces 6 months down the road.

  • This issue is not hate
    Nov. 15, 2008 12:46 p.m.

    Stopping same-sex "marriage" is not (or should not be) an issue of hate toward anyone who supports it or toward anyone who engages in homosexual conduct. Support of the principles of marriage is not an emotion. Someone who stands up for correct principles still can and should love people who support same-sex "marriage" and love people who engage in immoral behavior.

  • wayne
    Nov. 15, 2008 12:43 p.m.

    I have commented several times, but even though they show accepted, they never appear in the comments even though they have all conformed to your rules.

    Can you please reply to let me know why.

  • PV
    Nov. 15, 2008 12:35 p.m.

    I think we should be cautious about laying the blame on the Proposition 8 opponents. Most of them have come across as sincere and passionate, but not in any way supportive of oppressive or intimidating tactics. I suspect that these issues are arising from long-term enemies of the Church who see this as an opportunity to spread hate, and in doing so are casting a shadow on the many good and honest people who opposed Proposition 8. Charging this to the No on 8 campaign simply plays into their hands.

  • Love gays too
    Nov. 15, 2008 12:02 p.m.

    This issue is becoming very difficult for me. I love and trust the prophet, and my own heart that tells me supporting prop. 8 is right. But I have a very close friend (my oldest friend, even). He would never behave or condone the behavior of the protestors. He is gay, and has adopted two children. I think he's a wonderful father, a great friend, and a good person. I had the unfortunate displeasure of having to discuss my views on his community and desire to be married to another man some day, with him last night. Our friendship is still in tact, but I don't feel comfortable even talking about it. I don't want to make my friend feel I'm judging him less than me. It's so painful. He says he's happy with "who he is". How do we humbly help beautiful people see our views on this issues? What words to us?

  • Plain & Simple
    Nov. 15, 2008 11:38 a.m.

    To Beatrice:

    What is the FBI DOING about all the HATE that Mormons exhibit toward others? Would that
    mean voting with millions of other Californians of all faiths? Is that what you call hate? Maybe
    you can inform us of the vandalism done to gay bars, or the white powdery substances mailed to
    gays, or the Yes on 8 protesters with their signs that said Gays go to hell, Gay scum. Oh,
    wait, there werent any. It was the No on 8 crowd that had those signs but used the word
    Mormon instead of gay. Well be waiting for your evidence of Mormon hate for others, but
    wont be holding our collective breath.

  • Plaiin & Simple
    Nov. 15, 2008 11:35 a.m.

    To re Craig:

    The issue is marriage. Prop 8 amends the California State Constitution to say that, Only
    marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California. Californians have
    domestic partnerships in the California Family Code giving them all the rights of marriage. The
    fact that gays feel treated different will never go away by laws, whether constitutional or statute.
    However, they can have all the same rights even if their unions have different names.

  • Plain & Simple
    Nov. 15, 2008 10:44 a.m.

    To realitycheck

    Part 2

    By the way since when couldnt churches talk about marriage to their congregations. Last time I
    attended it seemed like marriage is a doctrine that can be discussed. Fact - the Mormon church
    didnt cast one vote. If you read the Dan Walters 11/11/08 column in the Sacramento Bee you
    will learn it was the surge for Obama that sealed Prop 8's victory. He said normally 13% of the
    vote is African-American in California. This time it was 18% due to a big Obama turnout that
    resulted in 500,000 more votes. 70% of those votes voted yes on 8.

  • Plain & Simple
    Nov. 15, 2008 10:41 a.m.

    To realitycheck:

    Yea, that pesky Prop 8 coalition is forcing their beliefs on all us of having marriage mean it is
    between a man and a woman. What radicals! Imagine a 52.5% of the vote versus 47.5%. How
    dare the people speak up against a one judge swing vote 4-3. Dont they know that judges are the
    wisest persons in the whole wide world? Who are these people of California to think anyone of
    them has more intelligence and wisdom than a judge? (Just dont ask his wife.)

    As far as your inter-racial neighbor couple goes maybe they know that your argument of
    comparing sexual behavior is different from race with which they were born. You wont find any
    gays fighting for the right to vote, nor for the right to go to school, get a job or find housing as
    blacks once did.

  • Plain & Simple
    Nov. 15, 2008 10:39 a.m.

    To NigelUK:

    Part 2

    I am not a spokesman for Meridian, but I dont think they are surprised that some people disagree
    with their viewpoint of the issues. However, disagreement is one thing, having your company
    hacked into and having its home page turned into a gay porn site is something else, unless you
    think disagreement is morally equivalent to breaking the law.

    There are not enough words left to even try to take on the discrimination charge but will have to
    leave that for another post. See realitycheck below.

    Both sides praying for each other would be a good idea. It is heartening to know that the No side
    believes in God and prayer. From the tone of their posts such sentiments could easily be missed.

  • Follow the Prophet
    Nov. 15, 2008 10:15 a.m.

    He knows the way! This is nothing new to the watchmen on the towers." Read what Elder Maxwell said in 1979 at BYU, reprinted in the Ensign 1979 - "Make no mistake about it, brothers and sisters, in the months and years ahead, events are likely to require each member to decide whether or not he will follow the First Presidency. Members will find it more difficult to halt longer between two opinions...This is a hard doctrine, but it is a particularly vital doctrine in a society which is becoming more wicked. In short, brothers and sisters, not being ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ includes not being ashamed of the prophets of Jesus Christ!" Read the whole thing for yourself "A More Determined Discipleship" at LDS.org And relax, God is in His heaven, He leads His Church let us get out of his way let HIM be in control. All we have to do is follow the prophet! I love that it is really THAT simple!

  • Plain & Simple
    Nov. 15, 2008 9:34 a.m.

    To Anonymous of 11:56 a.m.

    Not only will you not find marriage in the Constitution, but in Lawrence v. Texas (which the
    gays applauded) the court went out of their way in overturning Bowers by affirming that there is
    no fundamental right for gay marriage. Let me repeat for those that may have missed that (hint
    for the George court in California). The U. S. Supreme Court said there is no fundamental right
    for gay marriage.

  • Ulrika
    Nov. 15, 2008 9:28 a.m.

    Unfortunately the gays who are now so inappropriately protesting the democratic process are just giving themselves, and other reasonable persons with their choice of lifestyle, a terrible name.

  • Jerry in So. Cal
    Nov. 15, 2008 8:56 a.m.

    Why don't these "tolerant" (only if you agree the way they do) No of 8 protesters do it in South Central Los Angeles where the vast majority of African-American live and voted? Because those who live in SCLA won't put up which their shenanigans. The African-American took offend to the No on 8 protestors because the No on 8 were making it a civil rights issue and that ticked off those who live not just in L.A. but throughout the state.
    No on 8 have lost a lot of supporters and have become vitriolic on how they have reacted and protested those business owners who were Yes on 8 supporters. They picket and use name calling to keep patrons away. Those employers even employ gays and lesbians in those restaurants).
    The next time this proposition appears and it will. There will be a lot video footage as to what is going to happen if you dont support there position.
    Im a convert to the Church and I couldnt be more humble on how the LDS people in LA have been let alone tolerant and demonstrating a Christ-like approach to all this media attention.

  • remembertopray
    Nov. 15, 2008 7:56 a.m.

    Been listening to the Book of Mormon alot. Please Remember what happens eventually to those that forget the Lord and remember what you need to do each day and never forget.

  • @ Ellen
    Nov. 15, 2008 7:19 a.m.

    Not only is your bitterness showing, but your ignorance also.

    IF you bother to check facts, you will find that other groups can be racist and hate crimes have been committed against whites.

    As for what has painted you into a corner - that would be your victim mentality and unwillingness to address the real issues.

  • TDub
    Nov. 15, 2008 6:05 a.m.

    I haven't read every comment, but I think we are missing a huge point of interest. Having read about Connecticut and how they can teach the children that gay, lesbian "marriage" is a viable alternative to traditional marriage, I'm concerned that that is one of the main sticking points involved in Prop 8. Wouldn't this dictate that that lifestyle be taught to our children even if parents opposed it? Let the homosexuals be a union, but don't let them stuff it down our children's throats!

  • isthisrocketscience
    Nov. 15, 2008 3:03 a.m.

    I was hoping that this would open the door to family members marrying each other -- brothers and sisters, mothers and sons, fathers and daughters, cousins, etc. Shouldn't we have that right? Shouldn't we have the right to marry more than one mammal, male or female, possibly a beloved pet so that we can transfer wealth and avoid estate taxes? Or what about marrying someone under the age of 12? How about children's right to marry? There are folks that think they should have these choices sanctioned by the state, but marriage is regulated for good reasons.

  • Southern CA Porter Rockwell
    Nov. 15, 2008 1:23 a.m.

    It is a total shame on how the No on Prop 8 folks are reacting and dealing with how the democratic process worked on 11-04-08. Gee, last time I checked the Bill of Rights, it mentioned something about freedom of religion. God bless America!

  • Thinking
    Nov. 15, 2008 1:07 a.m.

    I have always been of the mind to let others live the way they want. With all the things going on with prop. 8 I have become a little more educated on this issue and believe I can see things more clearly now.
    The gay community is wrong. And their words and actions speak volumes on who they are. They claim freethinking, tolerance and love. I guess that may be the case unless you oppose their way of thinking. If prop. 8 would have failed would religious people have acted in similar ways, using intimidation tactics to punish their opponents? I think not.
    Thank you to the gay activist's. I can see things much more clearly now.

  • Califorinia Prop. 8 supporter
    Nov. 14, 2008 10:56 p.m.

    As unfortunate as many of the gay and lesbians have been reacting to the passage of Prop. 8, I feel sure that this will end in being an overall positive experience for the Church's missionary efforts. Provided that we, as members, continue to treat others with respect and civility even if it is not reciprocated. Already the negative treatment of our Tempes and members by the gay/lesbians have opened up positive dialog with my husband's co-workers. Many non-members have witnessed the unfair attacks on us and have eome to our defense and have pledged their unity with us. The Lord always knows how to turn situations like these to His advantage. All is well!

  • Courage to Stand for Truth
    Nov. 14, 2008 10:39 p.m.

    Let's support those business targeted by the activists. Here are some facts:
    The family is the basic unit of society.
    Children are society's future.
    No one has a "right" to be married.
    When rights for same-sex couples are expanded, freedom of speech and religion are threatened through coercion.
    The Netherlands, the first country to legalize same-sex marriage, has already seen an explosion in the illegitimacy rate and a decline in the number of couples getting married.
    When legalized, more children will be taught against their parents wishes, that homosexuality is healthy and normal.
    In Massachusetts, homosexuality is taught as part of a diversity program and parents do not have the right to opt out their children.
    Catholic Charities, dropped their adoption program because they do not let same-sex couples adopt and did not want to face lawsuits.
    A photographer in New Mexico was fined for declining to photograph a lesbian "commitment ceremony" because it violated her religious beliefs.
    Where same-sex marriage is legalized, promoting motherhood and fatherhood could legally be considered discriminatory.
    Promiscuity in marriage will become more generally accepted. The average same-sex relationship is 3 years. Only 3% of American's are homosexual. Let's stand together to protect the family.

  • Dan
    Nov. 14, 2008 10:35 p.m.

    Yes, Lionheart, you are very right! No good idea goes unapposed. Like Paul, we should count our tribulations small. The prophets and apostles of old suffered mocking. Are we better than they?

  • Opinion
    Nov. 14, 2008 10:35 p.m.

    The current reaction of those who opposed Prop 8 is showing what true bigotry is all about. To do criminal actions because the outcome of a vote wasn't the result you wanted is wrong. This isn't helping anyone's cause. It is very bad representation for the majority who voted against Prop 8. If you want to make progress, you need to play nice in the sandbox. I have no problem with encouraging others to vote for what they believe in, but the post election actions are disturbing.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 14, 2008 10:25 p.m.

    Terrorism and Gay Rights Activists Part 1
    Terrorism is a criminal act that influences an audience beyond the immediate victim. The strategy of terrorists is to commit acts of violence that draw the attention of the local populace, the government, and the world to their cause. Terrorists plan their attack to obtain the greatest publicity, choosing targets that symbolize what they oppose. The effectiveness of the terrorist act lies not in the act itself, but in the publics or governments reaction to the act.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 14, 2008 10:04 p.m.

    The No-side played the game and it lost even with all the talent of Hollywood, Silicon Valley, the Media, and the politicians.

  • Wicked men Rules
    Nov. 14, 2008 9:54 p.m.

    Wicked men rules when good men DO NOTHING

    Thank you for voting yes on propotion 8

  • Re: Blame game
    Nov. 14, 2008 9:35 p.m.

    Just means the church is true. If it wasn't, it wouldn't matter!

  • Anonymous @ 6:52
    Nov. 14, 2008 8:11 p.m.

    YES!!!! YOUR RIGHT! Jesus did love everyone - the sinner and the righteous - He also gave commandments and then said - If you love me keep my commandments! He also said "Come follow me". Have you read the OT lately? He also gave us a Prophet and asked us to follow (sustain) him. Love is importart but it dosen't mean that we have to allow others to walk alll over us - or what we hold sacred or the right to raise our family in God's way! The church has always said that the Family (traditional families as is talked about in the Proclamition of the Family) is the greatest unit on the face of the earth -I have no doubt that He would want us to uphold His views of the Family!

  • Votes do count
    Nov. 14, 2008 7:54 p.m.

    The no voters have clout. They get a lot of the liberal media, entertainers like Whoopie, Ellen D., RoseAnn, governator, Brad Pitt, Oprah, etc. etc, etc. to back them up. Seems to me it would be wise to turn off the TV., not go to the movies of these people, After all, boycotting can go two ways. I am so tired of being bombarded by these people. I'm just a poor sap who thought that voting was important. Now I know that all you need is a big mouth and a microphone. How sad is that? The media needs to stop making our choices for us. The vote was real, they just need to accept it.

  • denial of rights
    Nov. 14, 2008 7:34 p.m.

    gays have the right to do exactly whatever they want. can they not live together and have all the rights of a heterosexual couple? what am I missing, do I and my wife have some extra special rights denied to them? we live together, we love each other..
    marriage is not a "right" it is a ceremony. religious or not.
    why do they feel like they are being denied a right?
    nope. what they want is acceptance and validation.
    racism cannot be compared with this, if someone is denied the right to go to school, or take public transportation, that is denying a right.
    but you cannot demand a ceremony as a right, thats like saying I am being discrimated against because I cannot go to graduation at the Harvard law school and get handed a JD degree. why are they leaving me out, I feel like I am being discriminated against, am I not worthy of that right? well harvard has rules for who gets to graduate, it is defined by Harvard. same with marriage, it is defined now in CA and 40 other states.

  • Beatrice
    Nov. 14, 2008 7:17 p.m.

    Victor Randazzo | 11:48 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
    WHAT is the F.B.I DOING about all the HATE towards our members.

    What is the FBI DOING about all the HATE that
    Mormons exhibit toward others?

  • Opposition in ALL Things
    Nov. 14, 2008 7:02 p.m.

    I Like the Controversy!! Call me crazy if you will, but We in the LDS Church can't BUY this kind of press. We had it in the late 70's & 80's with the denial of the ERA Amendment, and we had it here in So Cal with a libel lawsuit against the Church that was laughed out of court, If you look at the Data of CONVERT BAPTISMS...The Church baptised MORE in times of Controversy than in supposed "peaceful times".

    PROTEST ALL YOU WANT...People will Investigate, Feel the Spirit and will COME UNTO CHRIST!!

    Thanks GLBT Peeps!! The Work of God will GO FORTH

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 14, 2008 6:52 p.m.


    The constitution gives all people rights and that's what this is simply all about. I see people treat the gays badly, but give lip service to straight couples that can't even raise their kids properly. I've seen a high percentage of gays treat their kids and raise them up far better than many straight couples do.

    Like Jesus said in the scriptures, judge not less ye be judged. Prop 8 simply would have ensured that "couples" be given the same rights as a union. And remember only a very small small percentage of such unions would comprise of such couples less than 1%.

    Another thing Jesus said was love one another and he showed that to everyone, and I mean EVERYONE! We can learn from that and be more tolerant and realize that it's important to love than to hate and judge. Looks like those so called righteous right wing religion zealots think they have it all perfectly. geeez?? They act just like the Pharisees of whom Jesus criticized the most for being so narrow-minded and lacking in love.

    I am an active LDS by the way...and would have voted NO to Prop 8.

  • SoCal LDS
    Nov. 14, 2008 6:44 p.m.

    I always wondered what it would be like to attend church with police protection. Well, I just found out. It is very eerie.......

    What a world we live in!

  • Robert Oh
    Nov. 14, 2008 6:41 p.m.


    How do you think your wife would feel about going back to "traditional marriage"? An arrangement where she had no say, was basically purchased from her father and her ownership was transferred to her new husband.

    That is the kind of marriage that has traditionally been on earth.

    You want traditional marriage? You better now stop with Prop 8.

  • Hey....
    Nov. 14, 2008 5:39 p.m.

    I'm getting questions from co workers at work about LDS Beliefs and I'm referring them to the missionaries in my stake. What a great missionary tool...

  • hahahahahaha...
    Nov. 14, 2008 4:09 p.m.

    Why are you, Mormons, so intolerant? Intolerant? Since when did it become a matter of intolerance for an individual to want to retain their personal belief of what marriage is? When did it become so unpopular to want to hold onto "traditional" values and when did "traditional" values start leaving such a bad taste in people's mouths? Is progress in society today based on how much we are willing to give up to make everyone feel good about themselves?

    re: realitycheck
    You find it hard to believe that your interracial couple neighbors voted based on their religious beliefs instead of their experience. You ever stop to think that maybe it was because of their religious beliefs that they were able to get through those experiences?

  • re: realitycheck
    Nov. 14, 2008 3:58 p.m.

    It sounds like you are saying religious people do not have the right to vote. If it is just about the fund raising, the no on prop-8 side raised a lot more money. If it is about church's not involving themselves in moral issues without fear of losing tax-exempt status, then the churches who came out against prop-8 must also lose theirs.

    Religious people have a right to vote and to be a part of the campaigning process. Many Mormons were against prop-8 and there was no backlash whatsoever. Being encouraged to help is different than force.

  • Ernie
    Nov. 14, 2008 3:42 p.m.

    Seems to me those protesting the LDS Church for spending money to support Prop 8 are hypocrites. Obama out spent McCain by one of the largest (if not THE largest margin) margins in campaign history. I wanted McCain so now should I seek revenge on the people and organizations that supported Obama? The very people who are complaing that Mormons bought Prop 8 bought the Presidential election for Obama. When will we wake up and start treating each other with respect. You leave our 6000 year old definition alone, and we will not complain that unatural acts are being performed in the privacy of your own bedrooms. We all have an axe to grind. Lets move on.

  • re craig
    Nov. 14, 2008 3:35 p.m.

    well said.

    unfortunately, the issue isn't "marriage". The issue is having the same rights as other couples. I've heard it said that civil unions provide the same rights to a couple as marriage does. That's totally untrue. If it were true, none of this would be an issue. Marriage is just a word, just like civil union is just a word. Gays could care less what you call it, as long as they are treated just like any other "joined" couple.

    btw - I'm not gay.

  • Ellen
    Nov. 14, 2008 3:20 p.m.

    It's interesting that people of other races are never racist, right? only white people. It's interesting that hate crimes are only committed by white, straight people, and that anyone else could never be the instigator of a hate crime. wow, when did we give up all of our rights??? who is it that haas painted us into a corner!!

  • RE: jessicasmith
    Nov. 14, 2008 3:18 p.m.

    I couldn't agree with you more. I am not saying it is the LGBT community doing it, but who else is it, it is either the community or people who believe in same-sex marriage and disagree with Prop. 8. I just think it is too bad that all this has to happen. Whether Mormon, Catholic, or whatever religion, we have the right to push for something we believe in and we did, we won fair and square, we won the votes, so therefore there is no more to be discussed or protested over.

  • A Right?
    Nov. 14, 2008 3:17 p.m.

    If you have to get a license for it, then it is not a right. If you have to get a license for it, then the government has asserted the power to regulate. Marriage is not a right. It is regulated. The Edmunds-Tucker act, as upheld by the US Supreme Court, affirms that the government may determine which types of marriages are acceptable. This issue was over in the late 1800s folks.

  • Wrong...
    Nov. 14, 2008 2:55 p.m.

    @ Susie Q:

    The difference in picketing is the "when" factor. Do you see John McCain on the street corner holding a McCain-Palin sign still? How bout any commercials? The difference is are you doing it before or after the election?

    Hold your signs, get excited and voice your opinion on Nov. 4th, after that, live with the results and fight the next time it comes up again...

  • porky
    Nov. 14, 2008 2:44 p.m.

    the next time some disaster happens and Mormons hand out food, water, blankets, hygiene & sanitation kits, or volunteer personal time to clean up damaged homes and cities do you think they ask a persons sexual orientation before providing those things? NO!

    if, due to a disaster, a homosexual found themselves in need of food, water, blankets, hygiene & sanitation kits or needing help to clean up damaged hones and cities do you think they'll refuse that aid because it came from Mormons? Hmmmm, that will be interesting to see.

  • Craig
    Nov. 14, 2008 2:16 p.m.

    The ninth ammendment to the US Constitution states,"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." Rights not specifically mentioned in the Constitution which are still retained by the people are referred to as unenumerated. One question seems to be is the right to marry whomever you want, including someone of the same sex, one of these unenumerated rights. The second question is does the state have to recognize every marriage that is performed just because the pariticipants say it is a marriage. I believe the answer to the first question is yes and the answer to the second is no. In other words you have the right to participate in whatever ceremony you chose to create a civil or spiritual contract between you, your partner and whatever God you worship, but you do not have the right to force the state (i.e. the people) to recognize that ceremony as a legitimate marriage.

  • Oregonian
    Nov. 14, 2008 1:58 p.m.

    I will eat at Outback Steakhouse for dinner.
    Thanks for your suggestion!

  • To Realitycheck (part 2)
    Nov. 14, 2008 1:45 p.m.

    The Gay community obviously doesn't have the same moral system and they do not see their lives or the education of children about gay sex as immoral. They view the right to marry as a civil right and many have the very narrow-minded perspective that redefining marriage will not damage our society or infringe on the rights of others. They do not see that already citizens are being legally forced to condone homosexuality and there is a clash between religious and civil liberties. Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and parental rights are all on the line here.

    I would hope that you could look at both sides of the issue.

  • re 1pm poster to Nigel
    Nov. 14, 2008 1:31 p.m.

    you just lied. i'm curious -how does it feel when a person full of religion lies?

    millions of "church" dollars were spent to pass prop 8. it may not have directly flown through the church, but your leadership told all mormons to donate - so it's the same thing.

    you can twist it if you feel better, but it's still a lie. hope you're proud of yourself.

  • SLC Citizen
    Nov. 14, 2008 1:08 p.m.

    Just prior to the Election, the No on 8's website was also hacked and went down for some time. Both sides are guilty, and Meridian Magazine has printed some pretty anti-gay stuff over the years, so they are not completely above the fray either.

  • RE: NigelUK
    Nov. 14, 2008 1:00 p.m.

    Lets clarify as this has been a myth that has been propagated by the anti-prop 8 crowd. The LDS Church spent exactly 0 dollars of the churches money on anything related to the passage prop 8.

    People who happen to be members of the LDS Church donated time and money to the cause of campaigning for, and the passing of Prop 8. So did Catholics, Jews, blacks, Hispanic, etc, etc.

  • Read Georgia's Comment
    Nov. 14, 2008 12:58 p.m.

    At 9:30 am Georgia wrote:

    The gay/lesbian community is trying to make themselves a strong voting bloc by raising up new "converts" to their movement. Why do most gay people "find out" they are gay when they are young...because they are impressionable. This is why the gay community targets grade schools, universities and colleges. This was quite apparent when I lived in Massachusetts. I have yet to read one headline about gay pride day at the senior citizen center. The more converts they can get, the stronger voting bloc they are, the more political power on society they can affect.

    She is absolutely right! The #! contributor to the No on 8 campaign was the California Teachers Association! They want to push gay and lesbian agenda. Poor children, they are the casualties in this battle.

    The LDS church is right to defend the interest of the children.

  • realitycheck
    Nov. 14, 2008 12:53 p.m.

    what do you people expect when you butt into peoples lives and push your rediculous religious agenda on others? perhaps if you would stop forcing your beliefs on the rest of the population then you wouldn't have these problems.

    And Elaine W 12:10pm - Prop 8 wasn't the People of California stating their will. It was the result of the mormon church sticking it's nose into everyone else's business. If you people hadn't spent $20Mil on bogus ads full of untruths the prop would never have passed. I thought lying was against your religion, but I guess you all get to pick and choose. Sounds like you are all FLDS....

    By the way - I'm not gay - but when my neighbor, an inter-racial couple that couldn't have married 50 yrs ago, has a sign in their yard for yes on 8 - then there is too much religion and not enough consideration of the rights of others. I'm still suprised that people of color, who's rights were denied for centuries, would vote based on their religion rather than their experience.

  • Adam
    Nov. 14, 2008 12:51 p.m.

    President Hinkley said at one of his last general conferences that persecution "WILL INCREASE". A prophet of God has spoken it and it is coming to pass. I'm afraid this is just the beginning. Persecution in time, may match or likely surpass what the pioneers suffered.

  • GAY leaders
    Nov. 14, 2008 12:51 p.m.

    If these acts were supported or condoned by the fringe extreme portion of the gay community, then where are the reasonable/regular gay community leaders calling out such hateful religiosly bigotry and calling for a return to civility. Take it to the courts. Speak out but also speak out against hate crime. Religious bigotry is the new racism in this country....

    Conservatives vote but extreme liberals picket, vandalize, terrorize and put bumper stickers on their cars...Where is all the picketing in the almost 40 states that have a similar item in their state laws which recognize marriage as an institution between a man and a woman? Day by day the cause of homosexuality loses credibility and advocates with its inability to speak out against true hate and not the "perceived hate" that they claim because the majority pass a law.

    I actually love gay people but they can't redefine the dictionary. A horse is a horse no matter how much you want it to be a cow.

  • Simple Honesty
    Nov. 14, 2008 12:41 p.m.

    It's unfortunate that the horrible behavior of a few people (on both sides of this issue) is being portrayed as the "entire" group. There are MANY people who believe that you can feel strongly about an issue and have the constitutional right to express those believes without disrespecting another. People should remember that the horrible behavior of a small handful of people, does not necessarily reflect the entire group.

  • Anon
    Nov. 14, 2008 12:13 p.m.

    Filth is going to make Christians 'bend the rules' for people acting hatefully and sinfully - Now I get it!

  • Elaine W
    Nov. 14, 2008 12:10 p.m.

    Are you aware that tomorrow is National God Out Day. Prop. 8 is now being used by athests and others as another reason to beat up on Christians. Because we voiced our opinion and exercised our rights as citizens. Because we objected to the Government sticking its nose into what is basically Church business. With judges making law from the bench, we have lost the will of the people. Here in California we had 4 judges make law from the bench based on nothing. Prop. 8 was the People of California stating their will again. There is no base for the judges to over turn Prop. 22. The passage of Prop. 8 is a statement of the People's Will. The passage of Prop. 8 is protection for Churchs who do not want to preform same sex marriages. If Prop. 8 had failed anyone who doesn't want to do business with a gay couple would be forced to. People all over the U.S. are being forced to act against their beliefs. We as Christians are losing our rights of association.

  • NigelUk
    Nov. 14, 2008 12:08 p.m.

    I am very sorry that people would attack in such crude ways. That said, actions have consequences and going to war over the simple of right to marry and honor a relation between two people is going to have a response. The LDS church spent millions of dollars and campaigned actively to pass prop 8. It did everything it could influence the vote. It must not surprised by the response.
    Meridian is a very right wing, Mormon site. It has every right to be what it is, but it too must not be surprised when people strongly disagree with it.
    Mormons are always surprised when they are not viewed as benvolent, kind, upstanding folk.
    It will take years to repair the view that the LDS church is bigoted and discriminating. This is the same thing we saw in the 60's and much of the rhetoric on both sides resembles the fight against denying the priesthood to black men.
    Both sides need to pray for each other.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 14, 2008 11:56 a.m.

    Would someone please reference the part of the Constitution that guarantees someone the right to marry whomever they wish? I didn't learn about that one in school, but somehow Anonymous thinks that someone's rights and equality are being stomped on.

    This is a democracy and it has spoken. It may change, but for now the voice of the people (they are the ones who voted after all) has been heard.

  • Victor Randazzo
    Nov. 14, 2008 11:48 a.m.

    WHAT is the F.B.I DOING about all the HATE towards our members.

  • Not Concerned
    Nov. 14, 2008 11:33 a.m.

    Seriously? Does the gay community really think they can do anything to the Mormons that hasn't already been done over the past 150 years? It's almost like a 3-year old throwing a tantrum because they have to go to bed. So, get all your 3-year old friends together and take all the reason and logic out of your argument and just make it about hate and anger. Why do you feel this way? Because you are acting in contrary to laws that have governed the universe since it's creation. So, to the 3-6% of you who think your temper tantrum has even been given an afterthought you are wrong. I now look upon your position with even less credibility than before. So, good luck with the hate and anger, I'll stay posted. And in 2 months when the only press your getting is a Jay Leno joke remember you could actually be making a difference in society. Become a gym teacher, design some clothes, decorate a room, host a talk show. Just try and contribute to the human race, and make sure if you do a parade to pick up after yourselves.

  • Fruits
    Nov. 14, 2008 11:20 a.m.

    By their fruits ye shall know them....

  • Nellie
    Nov. 14, 2008 11:13 a.m.

    I just hope that we in the LDS community can reach and maintain a high road rather than do the easy thing and return eye for eye and bash for bash.

  • ImJudgemental
    Nov. 14, 2008 10:52 a.m.

    Lionheart | 9:24 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
    If I were a member of the LDS church, I would be proud to be the object of scorn from the homosexual community. Onward Christian Soldiers.

    Very funny Lionheart. That's what I think. I'm proud to be the object of scorn on this unhappy community or eco-terrorists and moral bigots.

    Listen, if I viewed child porn and thought it acceptable, I can put into the minds of others that it's okay until 10 years down the road some judge declares child pornography as acceptable. It's not that different folks, we need to love those who've made wrong choices, but we don't teach our children that they SHOULD make those choices.

  • Stop the insansity
    Nov. 14, 2008 10:49 a.m.

    If you were against Prop 8, please ask your fellow supporters to stop these activities and abide by the law.

  • @ Confused 9:55
    Nov. 14, 2008 10:49 a.m.

    "Gay" can refer to either a man who likes men or a woman who likes women. It is often distinguished by using the term "gay man." "Lesbian" refers only to a woman who likes women. When the two terms are used together - as in Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender - "Gay" is taken to refer to men and "Lesbian" is taken to refer to women. If the term "Gay" is used by itself, it is meant to refer to both men and women.

    Hope this clarifies things a little.

  • @ jessicasmith
    Nov. 14, 2008 10:44 a.m.

    Umm - "gay bashing" does not mean what you use it to mean.

    "Gay bashing" means attacking - verbally, physically, spiritually, etc. - gays.

    What you are talking about is either "bashing by gays" or "Mormon bashing."

    None of the above should be acceptable.

  • Not alone...
    Nov. 14, 2008 10:41 a.m.

    ALL religious websites, no matter what their denomination or the message they have, receive hate email. (You should read some of things written by so called "Christians" and sent to ReligiousTolerance - which is a Christian site.)

    Posting pornographic materials, however, totally uncalled for. (May I suggest a better security system?)

  • RE: Crazy
    Nov. 14, 2008 10:37 a.m.

    Well, Crazy, since according to you "Nobody respects marriage" why does anyone care what the definition of marriage is?
    Do your research and you will see that, at least the LDS Church, spends significant time and money on trying to prevent divorce.
    In the future you may want to think about educating yourself on the issues before boldly diving into a forum with faulty arguments that lead to false conclusions.

  • washcomom
    Nov. 14, 2008 10:35 a.m.

    Hang on tight! It's going to be a bumpy road from here to Eternity!

  • Hang on tight!
    Nov. 14, 2008 10:34 a.m.

    It's going to be a bumpy road from here to eternity!

  • Matt
    Nov. 14, 2008 10:34 a.m.

    Why do gays seem to oppose the democratic process? Prop 8 was submitted before the California public and the majority voted FOR it, so it passed into law. This is how it works. Why picket and target the LDS church when it was the majority of CALIFORNIANS who voted for it? This is how democracy works, the majority decides and in this case they did.

  • re: Richard Adams
    Nov. 14, 2008 10:30 a.m.

    Hey no skin off my nose. I've always boycotted all the gay establishments my entire life. But I know your little boycott won't last forever. There's no way you'll be able to hold out for long when you start craving those Burger King Triple Whoppers with cheese or a Double Croissonwich (a favorite of the gay community). You know you want one. You're getting weaker...weaker...cravings...too strong...can't...hold out...much longer.......

  • nobody important
    Nov. 14, 2008 10:22 a.m.

    good for you Richard, let me know how that works out for you.

  • DOTF
    Nov. 14, 2008 10:22 a.m.

    Practice What GOD Preaches wrote: "What part of Leviticus 18:22 don't you understand?! And after reading that try Lev. 20:30, or maybe Gen. 19:1-11, or why not Rom 1:27, and possibly Jude 1:7 too. ANY church that performs or approves same-sex marriage CLEARLY hasn't read their Bible."

    Lev. 20:30 should be Lev. 20:13 and thank you for the references. They are very clear and plain. I think more GL supporters should read them and understand that this lifestyle is not acceptable to God and is not appropriate for a Christian to support or live. Any Christian church that performs same-sex marriages and/or supports this lifestyle isn't Christian. Again, thanks.

  • deseretnews.com moderator
    Nov. 14, 2008 10:20 a.m.

    In addition to our stated rules, any comments containing threats or references to violence of any kind will not be posted. If the trend continues, all comments will be barred from this story.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 14, 2008 10:15 a.m.

    The gay community wants support, so what do they do? Put up gay porn. What a way to win supporters!

  • Common Sense
    Nov. 14, 2008 10:09 a.m.

    Equating Gay rights to the civil rights movement and using Rosa Parks as an example is not only a giant stretch but is insulting to the black community and the injustices they faced.

    In no way, shape, or form can any gay man or woman say they are discriminated against in any way that can be comparable. In fact the vast majority of Americans want to accommidate gays as much as possible. However, with anyone and anything, the line has to be drawn somewhere. There has to be boundaries, that is a key component to any successful society. Marriage, as a government endorsed institution, is seen as bettering society in that it promotes societies healthy growth. If there were no benefits to society there would be no reason to endorse it or to set guidelines for it.

    No civil right is being violated with the passing of prop 8. Any person can get married in California (that is their equal right), but only under the provided definition of marriage. I'm sorry that it doesn't work out for their chosen lifestyle.

  • re: Richard Adams | 9:22 a.m.
    Nov. 14, 2008 10:06 a.m.

    Boycotting and picketing are one thing, but when you said "the LDS has brought this upon themselves" you weren't seriously condoning illegal hacking and vandalism, were you?

  • To Utah Cougar
    Nov. 14, 2008 10:06 a.m.

    I agree with you 100 percent! Only good can come from this, just have to have faith!

  • Right
    Nov. 14, 2008 10:01 a.m.

    I am not surprised at this news. And I would not be surprised if the president of the LDS church has gotten many death threats over this. What these people do is hateful and I have the freedom of speech (at least for now) to say so. Political correctness (which is on the side of Prop8 protestors) can't silence me. I'm sure that calling what they do as hateful will not silence them. They are tenacious with a capital "T" and they won't rest until the ACLU helps them get their way.

  • Wendy
    Nov. 14, 2008 9:57 a.m.

    The best thing we can do is continue to live our lives in a productive, happy, law-abiding way as we have, regardless of the angry voices that condemn us. Let us be loving and courteous to all, remembering we are God's children. Some may hate us, but at the top of the list of all beatitudes is found: "Blessed are the peacemakers." I hope all who live as LDS can be termed as peacemakers.

  • Confused.
    Nov. 14, 2008 9:55 a.m.

    Isn't saying Gay Lesbian, as in GLBT, redundant? Maybe I need clarification on these acronyms.

  • Crazy
    Nov. 14, 2008 9:47 a.m.

    I wonder what type of protest would happen if you took peoples guns away. If you take a right away they people protest. Yes the CA constitution before prop 8 gave them the right so yes their right was taken away. Whether right or wrong, you supported the taking away of rights. Plain and simple.

    As for respecting traditional marriage--70% end in divorce. Nobody respects marriage. I guess polygamy was respecting marriage as well. Why don't we spend time and money on preventing divorce. Such hypocritics.

  • Chris Plummer RE: THE AUTHORITY
    Nov. 14, 2008 9:46 a.m.

    you are falling into the trap of making blanket statements about 10s of 1000's of people by the actions of a few.
    You shouldn't judge a group of people by the actions a few bad apples.
    I won't judge Mormons by the comments I read on the Deseret News forums, because if I did I would be a real hater. I judge people as individuals and by their individual actions.

  • Hmmmm
    Nov. 14, 2008 9:41 a.m.

    I agree with 'ohmygoodness'. We don't need terrorists or toher countries. we're going to destroy ourselves & our neighbors with all the hate. Can't we just all get along? What happened to love thy neighbor? Black, white, gay, straight, catholic, mormon? There is too much hate in the world

  • To goodvsevil: | 8:53 a.m. Nov.
    Nov. 14, 2008 9:41 a.m.

    Since when are traditional values extreme?? Traditional values are the anchor of society. It's the world's values that are extreme and they change with the wind.

  • To Fearful or Angry Mormons:
    Nov. 14, 2008 9:35 a.m.

    Remember Whose battle this is and by Whose principles we have agreed to fight.

    "And every nation which shall war against thee, O house of Israel, shall be turned one against another . . . [and] the time cometh speedily that Satan shall have no more power over the hearts of the children of men . . ." Read the whole thing in 1 Nephi 22.

    See also 3 Nephi 20, particularly the phrase: "And behold, I am he who doeth it."

    We we only jeopardize what we care most about by accusing without evidence, getting fed up, or using the enemy's tactics in any way, and they are many. Some gays hate the Church, some don't. Some evangelicals hate it, some don't. Some politicians and their followers hate it, some don't. Let's focus not on people or groups but on actions-- especially our own. Support the good not only in precept (thanks, Prop8 supporters) but in manner, tone and conduct. Then the victory will be Lord's victory, by His rules and in His due time. It may include many whom we thought it might not. Let's behave in such a way that it will include us.

  • JS
    Nov. 14, 2008 9:35 a.m.

    Persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done

  • georgia
    Nov. 14, 2008 9:30 a.m.

    The gay/lesbian community is trying to make themselves a strong voting bloc by raising up new "converts" to their movement. Why do most gay people "find out" they are gay when they are young...because they are impressionable. This is why the gay community targets grade schools, universities and colleges. This was quite apparent when I lived in Massachusetts. I have yet to read one headline about gay pride day at the senior citizen center. The more converts they can get, the stronger voting bloc they are, the more political power on society they can affect.

  • Lionheart
    Nov. 14, 2008 9:24 a.m.

    If I were a member of the LDS church, I would be proud to be the object of scorn from the homosexual community. Onward Christian Soldiers.

  • Choose the Right
    Nov. 14, 2008 9:22 a.m.

    Anonymous 8:14 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008 said, "Puzzling that you would expect anything different when you deny people their equality and rights!"

    So equality and rights gives you the right to threaten physical assault, emotional assault (white power in the mail, a federal crime too), religious bigotry and more.

    You may call it equality and rights but homosexuality is still IMMORAL. We still love and care about you but it's that lifestyle that is immoral.

  • Take a Good Look...
    Nov. 14, 2008 9:22 a.m.

    If they Gay Protestors really want to 'see' HATE tell them to LOOK IN THE MIRROR! This has never been an anti-gay issue..it's a 'marriage' issue. Their Civil Unions have every benefit afforded any marriage...they just want to be validified with the name 'marriage'.
    Also, if they are so content to boycott any person/business that supported Prop. 8...then turn around should be fair play...Oh, but wait..that's descrimination!!! I personally am going to read that list as closely as possible and give those businesses my total support...even if they are in CA
    and urge all of my CA collegues to do the same...

  • Richard Adams
    Nov. 14, 2008 9:22 a.m.

    The LDS has brought this upon themselves. Cinemark Theaters, Outback Steakhouse, Burger King ,PocoLoco, and other companies are being targeted by the boycott. Here in Kansas City Missouri we have a very strong LGBT community with three weekly papers. The boycott is going very well and picking up.

  • Utah Cougar
    Nov. 14, 2008 9:22 a.m.

    This issue is a polarizing effect. It is what is called sifting the wheat from the Chaff. This whole thing is doing one really great thing and that is getting the church's name out there. True there will be some people who will be sad, angry and sometimes violent. Some of our own members may leave the church over this issue. That is sad. But at the same time there are millions of people who are hearing this controversy and it is the first time they have ever heard of the church and it's teachings. There are many people out there who agree with what the church has stood for and because of this they will seek out the church because we have made such a stand. This story has gone all over the world and has reached people in places where missionary efforts were ineffective.
    The same thing happened while I was on my mission. The whole polygamy thing was big in the news. I thought it would close doors, but it opened more doors than it closed. The same thing will happen with this.

  • My 2 cents...
    Nov. 14, 2008 9:21 a.m.

    I am happy that Prop. 8 passed, but I don't believe it will be upheld by the lawless courts. I DO think that soon, very soon, gay "marriage" will be legal everywhere. I see this whole Prop. 8 situation as a test for the LDS people. Some have said that they are faithful members and that they follow the Prophet, but that in this instance he was wrong, while others have followed the counsel of the Prophet. Well, what better way to sift the wheat than with something like this? This isn't a test for the world. This is a test for the LDS. Who is on the Lord's side? Who will follow the Prophet? When push comes to shove, and things get a little uncomfortable (or a lot uncomfortable!), and we want to lean unto our own understanding, what better test than one like this? We know things are supposed to get very bad, far worse than Sodom and Gomorrah, but I truly believe that this is a test for the Church members. We are being sifted to see whether we will stand firm as wheat or be blown away by the PC winds like so much chaff...

  • my 2 cents
    Nov. 14, 2008 9:17 a.m.

    Hacking websites and posting obscene content doesn't help their cause. It only reflects poorly on gay/lesbian community as a whole and hinders their efforts to force people to accept their immoral actions as natural and normal.

  • The Authority
    Nov. 14, 2008 9:04 a.m.

    Sending white power through the mail, illegally hacking web sites and vandalizing buildings are not the consequences of free speech. They are the consequences of a community of sore losers, that for all their pomp, are nothing but little kids who can't understand why someone would disagree with them. Childish, simplistic and tedious, that is going to be the perception of the Gay community if this stuff continues.

  • To goodvsevil:
    Nov. 14, 2008 8:53 a.m.

    To goodvsevil:
    The reason "they" get all that power is because you still think only 5% of the population is different from you - wrong!

    Look around, chances are that someone in your family, a co-worker or even your boss is different than you. Just because someone lets you rant and rave about your traditional values does not mean that they agree with your extreme views.

    You might want to look in the mirror as well and see why you are so intolerant...

  • Disgusted!
    Nov. 14, 2008 8:52 a.m.

    whats next, marry an animal? maybe they love their cat and want to marry it? Marriage is for a Man and Women.

  • militants
    Nov. 14, 2008 8:44 a.m.

    It seems that the gays live by the standard, "Live and let live...unless you disagree with us, then we will have a hussy fit and scream at you".

  • mustberight
    Nov. 14, 2008 8:42 a.m.

    Brigham Young said that as the church grows in popularity and we become more affluent in these latter days, persecution will began and be more severe than ever known. Is this the beginning.

    Prayer? I pray for the second coming! Soon!

  • We didn't do anything....
    Nov. 14, 2008 8:42 a.m.

    "Lets blame the LDS for everything:

    1. Wiping out on your bike when you were 5 years old
    2. Losing your job.
    3. Getting a "B" in spanish
    4. Losing the football game three years ago.
    5. For something that will happen two years from now.
    Why do people seek to blame the LDS church for everything.
    What is that about?"

    If the LDS has nothing to do with the passage of prop 8, why did the church put so much effort into it? Why were millions and millions of dollars requested? Why did church leaders praise the efforts of the members? Why did members walk neighborhoods, make phone calls and show their signs?

    If it had no effect, why did you bother?

    In my part of CA, I saw few minorities on the corners. All I saw were my LDS friends.

  • Take the high road reminder.
    Nov. 14, 2008 8:41 a.m.

    Remember the words of Elder Hales in this last General Conference. Some people mistakenly think responses such as silence, meekness, forgiveness, and bearing humble testimony are passive or weak. But to love [our] enemies, bless them that curse [us], do good to them that hate [us], and pray for them which despitefully use [us], and persecute [us] (Matthew 5:44) takes faith, strength, and, most of all, Christian courage.
    Yes, we can speak out, but do so in love and respect. Take the high road.

  • It Goes Both Ways
    Nov. 14, 2008 8:35 a.m.

    A "No on 8" website suffered from a sophisticated Denial of Service cyber attack before the election as well. The attack originated in Georgia, Texas, California and New Jersey and prompted an FBI complaint. So it's not just Meridian Mag being targeted for mischief.

    At this point there is so much disinformation and hyperbole on both sides of the issue, I don't see how the core problems can be resolved outside of the courts. Given the enormous issues facing the country, war on two fronts, and the downward spiraling economy, this internal "uncivil war" is dividing us to distraction.

    Rather than fixating on an election year wedge issue, there are far more pressing problems facing us ALL that need attention. How about the number of families in poverty that go hungry or are losing their homes? How about our seniors who have to decide between food, meds, or heat? Where's the blazing passion for those issues?

    Just a thought.

  • Mellower usually is truer
    Nov. 14, 2008 8:32 a.m.

    Most of these comments seem so inflamatory that it could give the impression that they represent the majority view on both sides of the issue...or maybe not. There have always been haters, judgers, pushers, immoralists, both straight and gay, on a wide variety of issues...if we would only do a little reading of history, including our own here in Utah, we might notice this. Look at the crime statistics, even for the Salt Lake Valley, and you can draw your own conclusions. To me, most of these comments reflect the need on all sides to repent ourselves first... then maybe we would better know how to remove the beams from the eyes of others.

  • Practice What GOD Preaches
    Nov. 14, 2008 8:31 a.m.

    What part of Leviticus 18:22 don't you understand?! And after reading that try Lev. 20:30, or maybe Gen. 19:1-11, or why not Rom 1:27, and possibly Jude 1:7 too. ANY church that performs or approves same-sex marriage CLEARLY hasn't read their Bible.

  • observer
    Nov. 14, 2008 8:31 a.m.

    Re: goodvsevil
    Good point. There are a lot of non-gays that support their friends, and there are those that just want to support that lifestyle, even if they are not gay. Many people out there have no values so it is easy to participate in destroying traditional Christian values.

  • To Susie Q
    Nov. 14, 2008 8:20 a.m.

    "Part of freedom of speech is accepting the consequences of freedom of speech."

    Free speech and picketing are one thing. Criminal acts (hacking websites, obscenity, vandalizing religious buildings, sending white powder through the mail) are entirely another. Free speech does not include the right to engage in criminal acts, nor are criminal acts the proper "consequences of free speech."

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 14, 2008 8:14 a.m.

    Mormons cast their bread upon the water, and now it is returning to them ten fold.

    Puzzling that you would expect anything different when you deny people their equality and rights!

  • ohmygoodness
    Nov. 14, 2008 8:11 a.m.

    1. These are the latter days and latter day challenges will come -- this is only the beginning.

    2. As tough as it may be, we are commanded to and commended for LOVING our enemies.

    3. Satan and his angels know who the Church is and knows of its prophetic future. Satan and his (un)masked angels, who regard this earth as their telestial turf, will (a) vigorously resist all rezoning efforts and (b) attack the LDS Church with more vigor than anyone else since we truly possess the truth ... and they hate truth.

    4. President Cannon in 1866 warned that "the war" in Heaven has transferred to earth and that this conflict "will [come to] occupy the thoughts an minds of all the inhabitants of the earth." (Journal of Discourses 11:227-29) The LDS Church "will be at the epicenter of all that." (Elder Maxwell in a talk "All Hell is Moved," BYU, 1978)

    5. We need not be alarmists, pessimists, dismayed or dislocated by the difficulties that will most assuredly arise as we stay the true course.

    6. As we stand for truth, fence sitters will slowly be shaken loose and the Gospel will march forward boldly.

    God bless.

  • K
    Nov. 14, 2008 8:05 a.m.

    I didn't support prop 8 because of the average gay person who would handle things peacefully and get their way and move on. I supported it because of these extremists. Anything to keep some kind of law on them, they're sick perverts and yes shove it down everyones throat. These are the same people who would sue churches and try and force their life style on everyone. To bad they've ruined it for the rest of the peaceful gay community.

  • Let me get this strait
    Nov. 14, 2008 7:59 a.m.

    I have had it. The rogue mobocracy homosexual propaganda machine has gone too far.

    The LDS faith, Catholic faith (30% of Cali voters), and hundreds of other religions and NGO organizations ethically follow every law, every rule to exercise their constitutional rights to defend fathers and mothers.

    The citizens of California voted in the millions TWICE to strike down articically creating and supporting an illogically conceived 'protected class of citizens', with their own rights and authority to strip the rights of the rest of our society...all based on their bedroom preferences.

    How does the homosexual propaganda machine respond? With visciousness, hate crimes targed at the LDS faith. So far:

    Burning hate signs
    Burning a Book of Mormon
    Threats of assault
    Hacking into the LDS website following the passage of prop 8
    Calls to murder members of the LDS faith on blogs (SL tribune)
    Shooting windows out of multiple LDS chapels
    Act of terrorism mailing the SLC temple anthrax-looking substance.

    I have TRIPPLED my sizable donation to the next state battle to protect traditional marriage. Responsible citizens must not allow this madness to continue.

  • goodvsevil
    Nov. 14, 2008 7:52 a.m.

    Less than 5% of the USA population is homosexual. Where do they get all that power? My opinion is that homosexuals are being used by the powerful people who are trying to destroy the traditional Christian values that made this such a great nation.

  • re: everyone here
    Nov. 14, 2008 7:48 a.m.

    NO ONE in the world practices what they preach. Live and let live would end world suffering and conflict. If you are passionate about your cause, live it without having to let the world know about it or force it on anyone else. YOU are NOT correct about anyone elses lifestyle or choices. Offer a kind hand to someone in need and follow through when the it is accepted. Baptists protest Mormons and LDS can't figure out why. Alternate lifestyles want to teach young school children about having two mommys or daddys and try to force the issue through courts. PETA would have you eat and wear only what they deem worthy. Why do we have to define love, if we are preaching unconditonal love is the answer. Why can't we pray to who we want when we want and post copies of these wise reminders for all to see ? Why would good people fight so hard to take down a symbol on public ground for a highway patrolman killed serving or go out of their way to heckle a funeral procession of a fallen soldier who fought for them ? These are sad times.

  • Mike R.
    Nov. 14, 2008 7:40 a.m.

    If the courts invalidate Prop 8, you will see supporters refile the Prop to amend the CA constitution. At that point in the next election, the backlash against the anti-Prop 8 crowd will make pass by a far larger percentage than it did this time. The intimidation tactics by the anti-Prop 8 crowd as well as the religophobic (did I just create a new word?) anti-Prop 8 crowd are doomed to fail. Just like Roe V. Wade, the far left can't get anything passed unless the courts do it for them. When the people actually speak, that can't handle it and go out and cry, freak out, and pout.

  • to:Not a fan of sore losers
    Nov. 14, 2008 7:36 a.m.

    There are a few people who are out of control, not all. Like I said, I live in CA and there were also a few "Vote yes on 8" people who were out of control too.

    You know as well as I do, there are idiots in any organization. If someone participated in supporting prop 8, that is their right. It is also the right of the people who support same sex marriage to boycott them, etc. They chose to get involved in a political fight (even if it was for their moral reasons). They have to accept the consequences for their actions.

    And take their lumps? Really? So Rosa Parks should have just shut up and sat at the back of the bus?

  • Ben
    Nov. 14, 2008 7:24 a.m.

    Voice of warning to the no on Prop 8 community: We need to be careful here...by all this protesting, we are awaking a "sleeping giant" of religeous and non-religous citizens who are sympathetic that mormons are being singled out. I am fearful we are taking a step backward and hurting the cause...many who sided with us on prop 8 are now re-thinking their stand all because of believed "unfair" treatment to a little church. Please be careful!

  • Not a fan of sore losers.
    Nov. 14, 2008 6:58 a.m.

    The bunch of sore losers on the prop8 thing ought to grow up, take their lumps and at least be civl in thier protests.

    I worry about a what a backlash from the prop8 supporters and those with no stake in this who are being openy attacked might be.

  • Facts
    Nov. 14, 2008 6:58 a.m.

    If you read the blogs on the DN and all other sites regarding Prop 8, you'll find hateful expressions on both sides targeting the other. As LDS, we should be examples of charity and love toward others. The gays may call us names. They may fight to teach our children that homosexuality is not only acceptable, but the only choice for those with gay tendencies. They may fight to have their unions equalled with that of heterosexual marriage by redifining marriage. They may picket and shout obsenities at us. They may boycott Utah (they won't boycott their own state). But given all that, we must understand that this activity is not the norm for the greater gay community. For the most part, they are loving, caring couples who are trying to be valued as living, breathing, thinking, intelligent brothers and sisters to all human kind. In the same way we don't want to be labeled like the few bad examples of LDS, let's not judge all gays by the acts of a few (who may not even be on the gay side of the battle). Love thy neighbor and vote for righteousness in our communities.

  • re: Anonymous
    Nov. 14, 2008 6:57 a.m.

    The gays calling the LDS cjurch hateful won't silence it one bit. Truth is truth and right is right. Sin will always be sin.

    The gay lifestyle is immoral according to the commandments of God. It always has been and it always will be. We feel for those involved in it and pray for their salvation.

  • New Yorker
    Nov. 14, 2008 6:51 a.m.

    Bring it on. As the lgbt tip toe around threatening people, this will backfire. I believe some of us are getting sick enough to start dishing their hateful spew back at them. Remember, 98% of people aren't lgbt.

  • Susie Q
    Nov. 14, 2008 6:49 a.m.

    One other thing, I have not heard of death threats against members of the churh. The picketing is not uncommon in a situation like this. Similar to the way there were "Yes on Prop 8" people holding signs at every major intersection in CA, people who are opposed to what happened want to make their voice heard and further the fight.

    Quite honestly, I don't think anyone in the church PR office is suprised at this response. The LGBT community is upset about what happened. They are finding a way to keep it in the spotlight. Not uncommon either. The problem is that for some reason lots of members of the church thought that once the election was over, this would end. This is like the church's involvement in the ERA. It isn't going to go away. People who disagree are not going to forget.

    The church took it's stand. Others will take theirs. Similar to the fact the church said it was not picking on the LGBT community, they are not picking in the church.

  • Susie Q
    Nov. 14, 2008 6:43 a.m.

    Head Under a Rock-I live in CA accross the street from a "mega church" (the ones that have like 25k members attend every week) that participated and they are picketed on Sundays as well. All people who contributed are getting picketed. Part of freedom of speech is accepting the consequences of freedom of speech.

    Should anyone have done this? Absolultey not. However, can you really think of a better way to upset an LDS themed website right now? Until they talk to the person who did it, we will not know the cause.

  • Mary
    Nov. 14, 2008 6:40 a.m.

    Why are the LGBT targeting the Mosques?
    Just wondering...

  • We are
    Nov. 14, 2008 6:38 a.m.

    seeing these people's true colors. This is what they are made of. They have revealed themselves and it sure isn't pretty.

  • Not accomplishing their goal
    Nov. 14, 2008 6:37 a.m.

    Whatever the rioters/opponents of Prop 8 do will not make the LDS Church change their stance or their beliefs. Nor will it make the devote members of the LDS church less strong in their convictions. That's all.

  • To Concerned
    Nov. 14, 2008 6:14 a.m.

    You be rational. Just your everyday Mormon haters are not going to put lesbian porn on the site. The timing is also too coincidental. We should not accuse anyone without evidence, but it is not irrational to suspect gay activists in this case.
    These groups are very skilled at their attacks and at pushing their agenda. They have a live target with the LDS church and they are at war. I now believe this is the sad truth. It is too bad for all. These kinds of actions and the "rationale" coming from the gay community are unfortunate for all, especially the kind and "good" in the gay community. Current actions will polarize communities and ultimately the whole US. Very scary.

  • To anonymous
    Nov. 14, 2008 5:55 a.m.

    Would you call these actions "loving"? Liberal extremists are the most open-minded people in the world until they encounter someone who disagrees with them. The people who supported Prop 8 have not picketed, attacked, vandalized or bothered this bunch in any way. What they have done is taken a moral stance in an immoral world. They (and of course it's not all of them) are acting like spoiled brat children who didn't get their way and are throwing a fit. If you can't win the argument you attack the messenger. It is hateful and obviously it's not going to silence them because they have no morals and no shame.

  • Blame game
    Nov. 14, 2008 5:53 a.m.

    Lets blame the LDS for everything:

    1. Wiping out on your bike when you were 5 years old
    2. Losing your job.
    3. Getting a "B" in spanish
    4. Losing the football game three years ago.
    5. For something that will happen two years from now.
    Why do people seek to blame the LDS church for everything.
    What is that about?

  • Re: Anonymous | 1:14 a.m.
    Nov. 14, 2008 5:53 a.m.

    Are you saying, "Calling your opponents hateful is just a tool to silence them" in reference to what was said in this blog by jessicasmith | 11:24 p.m, or are you referring to the thousands of blogs, and I mean thousands, that I have read by people that oppose Prop 8, saying this about anyone that has supported Prop 8? Saying these one-line, truth-filled statements, anonymously must make you feel you are a voice of reason in the wilderness, championing your cause for the opponents of Prop 8, but when it comes down to it, it shows how little you have listened to and thought through this controversy and the rhetoric that has been spewed from both sides of the issue

    On the other hand if you are listening to the rhetoric from all of the blogs, from all of these Prop 8 related articles, then yes, both sides are trying to control or silence one another. It is not just the Prop 8 supporters.

    While we're at it, some (overused)statements used by mainly the Prop 8 opponents, used to try to control a faith-base movement, are: "Shame on you",and "It is so Christ-like of you to (fill-in-your-own-Prop_8-Opposition-Phrase)

  • Fibonacci
    Nov. 14, 2008 5:46 a.m.

    I too am getting tired of the militant gay community trying to force their "morality" on the rest of us. If you don't believe the way they want you to believe they are going to picket your places of worship, boycott you out of a job, terrorize you with letter bombs, and burn your religious. For a group began by just asking for tolerance, it sure has turned ugly!

  • To Anonymous
    Nov. 14, 2008 5:35 a.m.

    Even when it's true? Because, I'm pretty sure the white powder was a true gesture of hate.

  • RE: Concerned
    Nov. 14, 2008 4:46 a.m.

    Um, Concerned, who ELSE do you think might have done this? You must have some other suspects in mind if you think the same people who would storm an LDS temple in broad daylight would NOT hack unseen into a prominent Mormon-culture website.

    I'm willing to give people the benefit of the doubt. And sure, the specific individuals have yet to be identified. But in this case, sorry to say, there's really not much wiggle room. When those individuals ARE identified, there's a really, REALLY high probability that we'll find they're part of the anti-Prop. 8 mob.

    In the past few days, we've seen a fairly substantial group of "tolerant," "loving," "equality-minded" people show that the ONLY right they deserve is one to a speedy trial. "Marriage" doesn't even enter the discussion at this point.

    So no, Concerned, I'm afraid there isn't much doubt.

  • westiewestAZ
    Nov. 14, 2008 2:07 a.m.

    Ah yes, now it begins. Typical of "they can dish it out, but they can't deal with it". How about a parade gathering similar to the homosexual "Pride" thing, only it would be for traditional marriage. Can you imagine the negative Media coverage and the backlash?? The CA black people voted by 70% for Prop 8. Have you heard of any black church being vandalized?? No, because the homos are afraid to be considered racist.

  • Whose Rights are Trampled?
    Nov. 14, 2008 2:03 a.m.

    Let's see, GLBT's have all the rights of marriage with civil unions, but that's not enough. They want the approbation of society to their unnatural acts, and they want to indoctrinate our children into their "lifestyle".

    I don't see how GLBT rights are being abused, when they are trying to change 6,000 years of civilization's respect for man-woman marriage.

  • Anonymous
    Nov. 14, 2008 1:14 a.m.

    Calling your opponents hateful is just a tool to silence them

  • head under a rock
    Nov. 14, 2008 12:45 a.m.

    Dear Concserned,
    Let us see. Sinc ethe passing of prop-8 over 20,000 pro-gay-marriage people have been threatening to burn down the temples and churches of the LDS, to murder LDS members, to picket, shout obsenities, threats and other falsehoods.

    This is all in less than a week. But no... they couldn't be behind any of this... no siree...

  • Concerned
    Nov. 13, 2008 11:57 p.m.


    I think it's pretty irresponsible to blame this on the LGBT community. ANYONE could have hacked into the system. It could be anyone who feels the LDS church has done them wrong. It could be anyone who is using the Prop 8 fight as a reason to target the Mormons. Be rational.

  • jessicasmith
    Nov. 13, 2008 11:24 p.m.

    Typical behavior. I am sick of Gay bashing.They cry their rights have been violated, so have mine. We are not the only faith to stand up for what we believe is right. Many many others are also now doing the same thing. Many African American churches nationwide have voiced the same opinion. Gays slam our faith saying we are horrible and non-loving people when they themselves are full of violent acts, and destruction. Gods laws are unchanging. It says so in the Bible.He is the one who made this law.Our world is unraveling. I am so disappointed in the gay community.
    They can keep vandalizing churches, sending hate mail,hacking and whatever they need to do to send their message. This is getting to be typical behavior for the gay community. THEIR actions are hateful. Far more than opposing prop 8.