Ogden defends police officers, urges judge to dismiss case
If you haven't fired a gun in a stressful environment, you shouldn't give an
opinion about how many rounds they fired. The army does say one shot, one kill.
But even in the army, moving, scanning and shooting. Your going to miss your
target. Try shooting when your stressed, you have tunnel vision. AT LEAST THE
POLICE HIT THE TARGET 20 TIMES. NOT BADS SHOOTING, keep up the good work OPD.
it seems that officers try to get away with almost anything so they don't have
to face an internal affairs board of review or a reprimand from the chief of
Sounds like an ambulance chasing attorney, as stated what rights does the
girlfriend have in suing the Ogden city police department????It was
stated a few years back that 99% of attorneys give the other 1% a bad name
For everyone consumed with the officers ability to hit a target...You can take
some of the best trained shooters and take them to a range and be amazed by
their target hitting abilities. Add someone shooting at you, the thoughts of not
seeing your family again, the worry of hitting an innocent bystander and a whole
lot of adrenaline. What do you think is going to happen. If you think you can do
better, then sign up for the job.
How do they come up with 30 million, was this guy going to make that much and
support a girlfriend.
I'm very sorry for the loss of life, but if you have a gun and try to use it
against the police, all bets are off. I support the police 100%.
A true sawed-off shotgun would require a Federal permit and is not allowed by a
concealed carry permit alone.If someone shoots at the cops, and they shoot
back, they're completely within their rights.Utah needs a new law that
makes it impossible to sue anyone in a civil court if no criminal charges are
held to be applicable. It's not right to send officers out to do their jobs,
protect us, then get sued personally in a civil action after they have been
proven NOT to have committed a crime.Petition your lawmaker TODAY for such
Did the victim have a UT concealed weapons/carry permit for that weapon? With
something of that magnitude, DOUBT IT! I agree that it was suicide by cop. Must
have been some big "row" between the two "lovers" for the man to go bullistic
and shoot at cops.
Red state, blue state, this has nothing to do with party affiliation. This is
not a proper forum to disparage the views of another individual commenting about
this tragedy by calling into disrepute political leanings which don't match your
own. This has to do with persons using a tragedy to obtain compensation where
none is deserved. When police officers place their lives on the line for us, to
help keep our homes save, we should thank them, plain and simple. Any court
that doesn't through this case out, based on the facts which have been released
publicly, needs to have their motivation called into question. A gunman not
obeying lawful police orders has written his own fate. Robin may
have a misguided view, but the other attributes suggested by the other
commentator appear unwarranted and groundless.
Why would anyone want to be a police officer. You'd frequently have to deal
with the scum of society, get yelled at, spit on, sworn at, flipped off, kicked
in the groin, shot at, and sometimes even killed. And at the end of the day you
get sued for 30 million as thanks for protecting the city and it's people. And
you do all this for what, maybe 40,000 a year???? Perhaps our cops really do
need to be tested for mental problems, as a sane person would never submit
themselves to this kind of abuse. The persons who ought to be sued are the idiot
attorneys who bring these cases to trial. And the idiot judges who allow them
What makes you believe that Obama voters are anti-law enforcement and anti-gun?
The NRA and the gun dealers have the biggest advertising campaign of
all time going on now, which is resulting in the tinfoil hat crowd spending
millions of dollars every day on MORE guns.Like bin Laden laughing
at old ladies having to take their shoes off at airports, the gun dealers and
NRA are laughing at the success of their scare-tactics campaign.THIS
Obama-voting household owns and uses guns, and supports law enforcement in this
if the police were better shots. Like they teach in the Army, "One Shot. One
Kill!". That's all they needed and this wouldn't be news.
lame...dude and sharpshooters...lol...
There are always plenty of no morals lawyers to go around when any money
grubbing pieces of trash come knocking for "the damages" that happened to them.
But can't the lawyers police themselves just a little and have consequences for
the parasites in their ranks?
Verdict for the Defendands $30 Million. Thanks to the officers for their work.
Just wait until some lunatic comes knocking at your Obama-stickered door in the
middle of the night demanding money for drugs. I can only guess that you will
just roll over and give it to him with an invitation to join you for some
chanting and yoga in the hopes he will reform. Calling the police would seem to
be such a contradiction to your cute little liberal utopia where we should all
just get along.
facts of the case: Someone called 911 because of a dangerous person. That person
had a gun. That person fired the gun at the police. The police shot back and
ended the threat. Give the police a much needed vacation for saving the
lives of everyone in the area (and sue the plaintiff's lawyer for the money to
pay for it)F*R*I*V*O*L*O*U*S
I am currently a law student. Lawyers are necessary. I will be a prosecution
attorney when I finish my training. The reason that lawyers are necessary in our
country is so that both sides of the story can be presented before a verdict is
given. If lawyers were not present a lot of wrongdoers would get away with
crimes through a better knowledge of the law than those who they harmed. This case is not in court yet. It is at the preliminary stages of a trial
which is where motions can be filed. The police have filed for summary judgment.
This means that if the court finds that there is no evidence that the police
officers acted wrongfully the case will be dismissed. If the police officers
felt that the man was a threat, and he continued to use his gun as the
depositions explain, then the case will be thrown out. If the court feels that
there is evidence that could go either way, then the trial will go on so that a
jury can decide.It would appear that summary judgment in behalf of the
police officers will be granted, but I don't have all the evidence.
We need more medical schools and fewer law schools. An excess of doctors and a
shortage of lawyers would be a delightful change for our society!
I am glad the criminal is dead. One less criminal to reak havoc on society. He
got what he deserved and I am glad he is dead! My sympathy goes to the officers
and the suffering they are having. They need to sue the family for putting the
officers in that situation, like maybe, $1,000,000.00. It is obvious to
the most casual observer that when you are out of ammo or low, you immediately
reload. That is COMMON SENSE training given to all law enforcement. The lawyer
and family are mad because another TERRORIST was removed from the terrorist
picture the defense attorneys support. Ogden City and Weber county have some of
the finest officers in the United States. Their professional in doing their
jobs. The criminal wasn't worth the bullets fired at him. While the officers
need to shoot more accurately to save the city money on bullets, I feel much
safer knowing these and other officers are protecting us. I hope this law suit
is thrown out and the family is force to pay the officers for their time and
um, they were shooting at someone behind a tree...of course they had to shoot so
many times. How good are you at shooting something behind a tree?
I think anyone who reads this article should have the right to sue Jacinda for
wasting all of our time.
It follows that a Red State would employ Police State mentality. Utah has
abdicated its safety to the robocops without regard to civil rights-and to do as
we are ordained to do.
....dollars. HOW is her human stain boyfriend worth more than that, let alone
$30 million?What kind of relationship did this attorney have with
Turnbow or Scruggs before this incident?
After this guy fired at the police, so long as his gun was within reach, the
police, and the public were at risk.It doesn't matter if he was
reaching for his gun or not, it takes only a fraction of a second, if it is
within reach to pick it up and pull the trigger.So long as he
refused the order by police to set the gun aside and get down, he continued to
be a risk to the police as well as the public.
Actually if someone merely points a gun at a police officer, they have sealed
their fate. Officers are not paid to look down the barrel of a gun and gamble
with their lives as to whether or not the person will fire. Also, when an
officer pulls out his weapon, it is with the intent to fire.
How about the Ogden police dept stop with the quota on traffic tickets, and
instead get their officers to the range a little more often?, while these guys
are heros, their shooting leaves something to be desired.While the
city of Ogden it at it, they may want to invest in laser pointers for their
For me the cops have done their duty...end of story.It's their job
and life on the line here, we should be grateful their doing their job and
sacrificing their own.
There is no way a trial ought to be help with public money. If the girl friend
and her experts are so certain they have right on their side, let them put up a
bond, to be forfeited in the event they lose.This guy was obviously
a threat. He was reaching for his shotgun, and even if he wasn't it was still
within reach and still very much a threat to the officers and the
neighborhood.This guy put a whole neighborhood at risk, not only
with his own shooting, but he forced to cops shoot, and several of those round
hit homes in the area.This cops should recieve a metal for puting
this guy down at great risk to themselves. No doubt they love life and have
loved ones they care about and need to take care of.This guy was
wrong and had no right to do what he did, society is very ungrateful if it puts
these cops through a trial.
I think $30 million sounds about right. I hope Ogden is able to collect that
much from the estate and the girlfriend.
I would love to have these police officers in my neighborhood.Stopping a
man shooting at them with a shot gun./Talk about your guarding
If its true that this guy shot at cops first, or even aimed his gun at them,
then this was obviously suicide by cop.I understand the girl friend
is distraught,but she shouldn't be allowed to clog up the courts with frivolous
lawsuits with impunity.If she looses, and it appears she will, she
should be held accountable and made to pay for this frivolous lawsuit.
Lawsuits like this make lawyers look like snakes.
Lame, lame, lame. I agree, the case should never have even gotten
to court. Shoot at police, keep shooting at police, get shot 20
times, and die. Then a girlfriend(??) would like to collect $30 million!
Wouldn't it be great if life were so easy, and the world always revolved around
us! The fact he was shot 20 times really says something. Maybe
they should do like China and make his girlfriend pay ($1 million?) for every
bullet the police had to waste on him...
My question: why does the girlfriend even have standing to sue? She is not his
widow, the mother of his children, etc. She is just a gilfriend. Can all of
his former girlfriends, his neighbors, his mailman, his teachers, his garbage
collector, etc all sue as well? She has no standing and is just proving what
everyone seems to already know. She is money hungry and she doesn't care about
him, as this trial will prove that he was the instigator and only got what he
repeatedly asked for. I pray that the officers and their families eventually
find the peace that they deserve. Thank you officers for doing your job to
protect my and my family's lives.
Hopefully the defendant's in this case, OPD willwin this case by a
dismissal. The question I have is this: "Since the plaintiff did not prevail,
how much money will they be charged to pay the officers attorneys fees, along
with court costs?"
50-90 shots? Let's get those cops on the shooting range a little more often. I
wouldn't want 50-90 bullets flying around my neighborhood, even if they were
from officers' guns.
Go get a job..Your not getting $30,000,000..not only did the officers have every
right to defend themselves..Your not even related to the guy. As for your
attroney he/she should be held in contempt for even incouraging you to file this
joke of a legal action.
I'm thrilled Ogden is fighting this lawsuit. It has made me so angry in the
past when agencies settle just to get the thing done. Frivilous lawsuits are
getting out of hand. Mr. Turnbow had the gun, Mr. Turnbow shot at police. Mr.
Turnbow continued firing at police and ignoring police commands. What more does
any reasonable person expect from law enforcement than that they returned
fire?I am not surprised that others have conflicting stories. It
may be because they experienced a traumatic event and your memory goes haywire.
It may be that perspectives are all different. It may be that they know the
family of the victim. It may be that they have issues with police. It may be
that the conflict is between them. Who knows.If the attorney has
proof of excessive force, let him lay it out on the table instead of hinting
around. It wouldn't be the first time a lawyer has bluffed.Get rid
of the law suit and send these vultures home. Give the police officers a medal
and a pay raise. We're done.
If the suspect is reloading his weapon after taking shots at officers, he's not
using the weapon as a show of force. He's using it to injure, kill, or maim
those around him in the situation. Hence Mr. Turnbow made himself a threat, and
officers are entitled to use 'deadly force' to take him down. The injuries
described in the story are in line with someone hiding behind a tree, or other
obstruction. The question is how many bullets did he take before dying? If he
took 10-15 minor wounds (bullet grazes skin on arm, side, leg, etc.) and the
final five shots are what killed him, then the force is justified. The story is
incomplete, it would be nice to hear the true story.
Any time someone decides to shoot at an officer, the officer has the right to
defend himself. Officers cannot be expected to withold fire if someone fires at
them. It is up to their discretion at that point. Their life is on the line at
that point. When an officer directs a person to get on to the
ground, to drop the gun, to not move--this is not the time to try to argue a
point. Better to obey, let all the guns be removed and tensions drop before
trying to argue.Shooting the police car was a fatal mistake.
How can a case like this even get to the court stage? Unless there
is something missing in the picture (that we can't see), why is taxpayers' money
being used for this courtroom drama? People need to stop suing
others just for the sake of it. Money will not make things any better.
This is a ridiculous lawsuit! It reminds me of the Bank of America shootout in
North Hollywood, CA about 11 or 12 years ago. The thugs shot hundreds if not
thousands of rounds, injured police officers, kept people hostage at the bank,
and then when thug was shot and eventually died in the street, the mother sued
the city of Los Angeles! Thank goodness she did not win. I hope this lawsuit
gets thrown out.
How much is the lawyer expecting to get if he wins? 45%?
Winslow is a good writer, but he missed a huge part of the story. Jacinda
Scruggs wants money after Turnbow stuck a shotgun in Scrugg's father's gut and
threatened him. Filial affection?What about the suffering of these
officers and their families? No cop ever wants to shoot another person. Ever.
No cop wants to kill. But every good cop recognizes this: "sometimes good
people have to kill bad people so that the public can live in peace and safety."
The trauma suffered by these officers and their families is being exacerbated
by this groundless and cruel lawsuit. Jacinda Scruggs wants money. Michael
Studebaker wants money, press coverage, and more clients. At what price to
society?Jesse Turnbow didn't need to die, but he chose to die.
Jesse Turnbow chose to fire wantonly into a neighborhood. Jesse Turnbow chose
to try to kill a police officer called to duty. Jesse Turnbow dictated the time
and manner of his death. The officer were accountable to a thorough review.
Now let Jesse Turnbow be accountable to his Maker. And leave Michael Studebaker
to the back pages of the phone book where he belongs.
The police union is already all over this one. Great solidarity comrads!
This makes me so mad. In cases like this, once the officer is cleared, the
opposing lawyer and Turnbow's girlfriend should be sued for wasting our tax
money. Better yet, they out to have to pay what they are asking. I'm not saying all officers make correct choices, but in this case........I
hope a judge throws the case out!
Give me a break, 30 million isn't going to bring her boyfriend back, he
shouldn't of had the gun in the first place, officers should be thanked for
getting another crazy man off the streets.
Guy shoots at cops. Cops return fire and neutralize threat.So...
Cops should pay guy's girlfriend $30 million?Good luck getting a
jury to side with you, lady.