'Change has come to America'
A funny thing happens when a person stops regurgitating and starts reading and
listening. Preferably people with all sorts of views. Then, and only then,
making a decision on what you think is right. Keeping in mind that as you
CONTINUE to read and listen you may find that you have to tweak or change that
decision. I promise you won't die if you do this. It will not be fatal.
Please if you hear something that just sounds too stupid to believe stop
and think. Maybe it is too stupid to believe because it is not true! Even if it
is in the same direction you are inclined! Politics have gotten really
stupid in recent years because everyone is so willing to believe the stupidest
things! McCain isn't satan and neither is Obama. They both want to do what
they can to serve this country. Huge stories have been told about both. The
truth is most likely a lot more boring than the headlines give us to think. Don't close your mind to new information. And new thoughts. On both
sides! We can do it. All of us.
You know disgruntled, you sure have a hard time following what other people say.
If the shoe was on the other foot I would not for one second take
the same stance as you. If John McCain had been elected president I
would recognize him as the US President as well as my President. I
would not be criticizing him based on half truths and lies. I would not listen
to the rabid partisans while trying to make my own judgement of him. And I sure
would not be judging him before he had done anything in the office.
And no, choosing a Chief of Staff is not a big deal to be criticizing a
President on. Can you even tell me what a Chief of Staff does?
President Bush has done many things that I disagree with, I did not vote for
him. But when he came into office I tried to give him an honest shot.
Not once have I ever said, or thought, that he was not my President. And on
these boards I have tried to be respectful to both the man and the office, while
at times expressing my disagreement.
Obama's one heck of an orator. However, being a great speaker alone can't keep
us safe from terrorists. Nor does great oratory skill guarantee that the
economy will always grow.Pres. Bush has been ridiculed, verbally
abused, blatantly misunderstood, disrespected, ignored, blamed and mocked for
EVERYTHING bad in this country. And this by his fellow countrymen!And what is he guilty of? Not controlling the weather in the Gulf Coast?
Saying "nuc-yu-ler" instead of "nuc-le-er"? Being a down-home folksy kind of
guy? Not joining in the cult-like fervor for global warming? Attacking a
country with a known mad-man for a dictator because our nation's intelligence
sources, AS WELL AS THE GOV'T/MILITARY INTELLIGENCE OFFICES OF M-A-N-Y OTHER
NATIONS AROUND THE WORLD, believed he had weapons of mass destruction again?
Trusting his military commanders that adequate troops were in place after the
ground invasion had finished?Is Pres. Bush perfect? Absolutely not.
But major mistakes in the Iraq war were identified long ago and were corrected
relatively quickly compared to errors in other American historical military
campaigns. HE'S KEPT AMERICA SAFE!!!To listen to
die-hard liberals, you'd think Pres. Bush can't even tie his shoes correctly.God bless Pres. Bush!
Michelle Obama scares the snot out of me.She was racist when she was
in college (go do some internet research on a paper she wrote in college) and
then she says towards the end of the Democrat primary (and it's important to
note that this was completely UNSCRIPTED, i.e., it reveals her as she REALLY is)
that "for the first time in my adult life I'm proud to be an American".W-H-A-T?!?!?!?!And THIS is the person that is going to be the
"soul mate" of our nation's most powerful man?May the good Lord help
us all.I'm sure I will be verbally flogged as a racist for claiming
I think Mrs. Obama is a bigot and tremendously unpatriotic but, hey, if the shoe
MarkFirst, sorry for confusing you w Mark on the Prop 8 board. But
as you can imagine it's very interesting to hear the same people saying we have
to accept the victory of Obama while protesting the outcome of the Prop 8 vote.
By your definition, they are also not Americans.Second, I never said
Dodd and Frank had anything to do with the S&L scandal. I cited them as another
example of Democratic corruption and the press (and seemingly your) turning a
blind eye to it. The chances of these 2 being investigated now are slim to
none.Finally, you can have your own definition of what a true
American is but I don't have to buy it. You can't tell me if the shoe was on
the other foot that you wouldn't feel the same way I do now. There can be no
honeymoon for Obama. He's already named a highly partisan chief of staff that
doesn't work well with those who don't share his views. Obama has no intention
of reaching across the aisle.It's not winner take all Mark. Obama
can unite or further divide. Looks like he chose the latter.
I swear you people have no reading comprehension. Cradle to Grave,
the post you are referencing stated that the stimulus package was the "most
overt form of 'wealth redistribution.' " Wealth redistribution, not
socialism. Oh wait, you think wealth redistribution and socialism are
the same things.
"Socialism? | 2:40 p.m. Nov. 5, 2008 I am curious what the prevailing
notions of socialism are amongst those who claim Obama is a socialist. I know of
no policies where he supports government controlling the production and
distribution of goods and services. Yes he has tax policies, republicans do to.
All conventional wisdom tells us that there are two quick paths to dictatorship
and communism - one is pure socialims, the other is unfettered capitalism. What
Obama is calling for is market regulations. Welfare polcies already exist, he
wants to refine those policies, and overall improve effective government. The
most overt form of "wealth redistribution" that I have ever witnessed came six
months ago under the Bush administration under the guise of "stimulus
package"."The stimulus package was "socialism"?Uhhhh,
no. The stimulus package was essentially giving money back to those who ALREADY
PAID FEDERAL TAXES! Obama said he'll give money to those who have NOT paid ANY
Federal taxes.It isn't rocket science: Obama's plan is the
introduction of socialism; the Government being made responsible to take care of
citizens in EVERY way from cradle to grave.
but I am really, really curious as to why there are so many Utah haters on this
board? And why do so many people think everyone that posts is from Utah? Such
narrow mindedness is a huge form of ignorance. I am from VA, I live in Va, and
love to read Deseret News. I just visited Utah for the first time ever in 2005
(and I'm 51 now) and I wouldn't mind living there myself! Geesh...stop the
narrowmindedness hate mongering!
Well, the fact that B.O. has already drawn a "Chicago Machine" politician to be
his chief of staff indicates that he has no desire to change anything.If anything, the whole country will get a good whiff of Chicago politics-
Highest fuel prices in the country, 12.3% sales tax, Chronic 7.8% unemployment,
Negative job growth,etc. Pay to play politics at its' best.The
whole country will get a whiff of good ole' B.O.!
I live in China and have been able to see this election through the eyes of the
Chinese. China has been through a lot these last 50+ years and when
you simply want "Change", they can tell you change for the sake of changing
isn't always a good thing. "Change" needs a purpose. They have gone from being
run by us westerners who called them the "little sick people" to one of the
strongest countries in the world today because of "Change". They did this not
only by "Change" but by ALL supporting the chosen leader who implemented these
changes. I have to be careful what I write, the leader didn't
always make the right changes, but in the end has led them to one of the world's
top nations.My point is to say that in order to be a great country
with life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness we all need to have these
differences put behind us and unite as one nation under God to support our
leader. China is a great country with many many great things, so imagine what
America could be if we all supported our leader?
You know John Lambert, even though I don't agree with most of your positions
(imagine thinking Palin would be a good president) I do think your calls for
unity are outstanding.
Ahh, disgruntled, no that is not me "over on the prop 8 board." That might be
Mark or Mark B. But it is not me. Swing and a miss again
disgruntled. That's three strikes. You're out.
Re:mark, I glossed over Dodd and Frank? What did they have to do with the S&L
crisis? That is what we were talking about, you and I. What did they have to do
Disgruntled, swing and a miss again. Not a Democrat. And upped the ante in the
hate category? I did no such thing. Show me where I have said anything hateful
about President Bush. But all the same, I have not "whined" one bit
about anything you have said. Nothing you have said "haunts" me. You give
yourself far to much credit. In fact like I have said three times now, say all
you want against Obama, knock yourself out, criticize away. It is your right.
And I would expect nothing less if you disagree with him. (Of course I don't
know how you can disagree with someone if you refuse to listen to them.)
But you are not an American. You may think you are, your not. Yes, yes, you
have your citizenship, you were born here, but being a true American means more
then that. There are many people that were not born here that understand what it
means to be an American, maybe you can trade places with them. You are a sad
example of the type of person that would bring this country low.
To the 11:21 commentator, I hated every stupid "impeach Bush" bumper
sticker I saw, and I hope that the Republicans show they are above such
pointless and meaningless petyness. Just be glad that Bill is not back in
the White House. Hey, I just realized how happy I am that Bill will not
be in the white house. I think I will be happy for the next day because of that
Obama will be my president come January 20th. I think people need to get over
political notions and move forward to unite the nation. Denouncing the
president will only hurt yourself.
To the 10:10 commentator, To began with it is people like you who keep
the Democrat vote low in Utah. To mock people for praying is just uncalled
for. Second, it is not the 13th article of faith that talks about
honoring the law. Thirdly, as the liberals have said for the last eight
years, we do not have a kind in the United States and critcizing the President
of the United States is no crime. I have not seen anyone on here suggest
breaking the laws. Utah is not where protesters are vandalizing property to
express their dislike of the outcome of the election. I want us to
unite and end the vitriol of this election, but to say those who do not like the
president of the United States on political grounds are in violation of the law
is not at all justified.
To PJ, No I reject vitriol. I am encouraged by the few
scatered voices of reason and end to the causticness spewed by too many
people. I have respect for the presidency, and will no longer be lead by
anyone to mock the office. We need to unite and move forward. I
just hope that more people will realize this.
There were 301,771 people in Utah who voted for Obama according to the stats I
obtained for cnn.com about a minute ago. This is more votes than Obama
got in Vermont, Delaware, Rhode Island or Hawaii, each of which states Obama
Hah! Mark, are you the same guy over on the Prop 8 board calling for an
overturn of the will of the people of California?And you're
chastising me for not accepting Obama as president? Hello, Pot, I'd like you to
To "Utah Jazz" again, Utah is not "the most white state". Iowa
and New Hampshire, which both voted for Obama are much more white than Utah.
Even in Nevada Obama only carried two counties. Elko county, the nearest to
most of the population in Utah, voted for McCain by 68%, higher than the
percentage in Utah. Lincoln Couty, the closest Nevada county to St. George,
voted for McCain by 71%. So stop claiming Utah is unique politically, and
especially that it has any racial meaning.
To "Utah Jazz", The margin that Wyoming voted for McCain by was greater
than that of Utah. I seem to recall that Idaho voted for McCain as well.
You ignore the fact that Utah's population center is in the north, by Wyoming
and Idaho. The population centers of Colorado and Nevada are far away.
It is true than St. George is close to Las Vegas, but that is only
geographically, and it still provides far fewer people than Nevada.
However, when did Utah stop bordering Arizona. True, it did not go for McCain as
much as Utah, but it still went to him. To claim that the results in Utah
have to do with race is unjustified.
I have to agree with the first two comments by "Just the Facts Man". His
third comment ignores all those who voted for candidates such as Barr and
McKinney. The comment about the African-Americans being racially
motivated ignores many facts. The fact of the matter is that for a wide variety
of reasons African-Americans tend to vote Democrat by very large margins. It is
also true that Mormons tend to vote for Republicans by very large margins. The
reasons for these things are quite complexed, and calling African-American
voters racist for voting for Obama ignores many things. Unless you have ever
lived in a city where the majority of residents are African-American do not even
pretend you understand what is going on. I do not understand even a
little bit the African-American thought process and I went to school in Detroit
for two years, which is the most African-American of the top 100 cities in the
To the 3:16 commentator on page 7, I am sick and tired of the
unjustified and hateful attacks on Mrs. Palin. The attacks on her were
the lies spread by the anti-life movement because she did not tow their line and
did not particiapte in the genocide of the Down Syndrome people. There
are many of us who only voted for McCain because it was a vote for Palin.
I am tired by the fact that feminist attack and vilify with unending invective
any woman who does not tow their anti-life, anti-morality, radical line.
The election is over so end your hate spewing. Mrs. Palin is still the governor
of Alaska, and still the hope of destroying embedded networks of privalege and
mediocrity. I am tired of the elitists who assume that just because you
did not go to a private school in a coastal state you are unqualifed to be a
leader. Obama is president, so stop mocking the governor of Alaska. She
is not running for any office right now, so your attacks basically constitute
libel. One reason Obama won is because he never stooped to the
mean-spirited type of attacks you engage in.
To Gal50, I wish people would stop being so judgemental and hateful
towards parts of the country. It is no longer 1962 and your attack on
Georgia is totally without merrit. I am also still trying to ffigure out
why you hate Tennessee, Kentucky, Arkansas, Missouri, Wyoming, Nebraska, the
Dakotas, Oklahoma and Kansas. Even your hate of South Carolina,
Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama seems to be based on outdated stereotypes.
You seem ignorant of the fact that Louisiana is the ONLY state to have ever
elected a man of Indian (as in India) descent as their governor. I have
forgotten that McCain also carried Idaho, West Virginia, Montana and Alaska.
The fact that the vote was so close in North Carolina that it was not called for
over a day by some news agencies and so close in Indiana that it was not called
for at least twelve hours after the polls closed should cause you to avoid
making such generalized and derogatory statements. If we want to end
rejudice and stereotypes, we first have to stop spreading them ourselves.
To ignorance at 11:52, Actually for the most part you assume people
live in Utah with no real basis in fact. If you want our country to move
forward in unity you need to stop acting like some states do not count as part
of the country. Stop insulting people based on where they live. You can
not insult people into accepting unity.
To the 10:23 commentator, However the French did elect a son of an
immigrant father who was not a presence in his early life as president. I
am pretty sure that Obama is the first son of an immigrant to be president of
the United States since Andrew Jackson. However, he is not the first who
people claimed was born outside the USA. Actually, Chester Arthur might have
been the son of Canadian immigrants. I know his family lived in Canada for a
time, and it was claimed he was born there and that it was his brother who died
who was born in the United States and his parents switched the info on which son
was which so Chester could be a native born US citizen.
To the 9:33 commentator (Des News should fact check), Canada did not
become even marginally independent until 1867, while Britain banned slavery in
all its colonies sometime in the 1830s. Slavery in Great Britain itself
was outlawed in about 1770 (I think it was a bit earlier, but am not sure). By 1810 and I believe earlier all Northern States had began gradual
abolition, but slavery did not fully end in Pennsylvania until the 1830s if not
latter. All northern states had banned slavery before the civil war.
However New York had tolerated southerns bringing their slaves and keeping them
in bondage. However, men like William Steward were clearly opposed to
slavery, and the South's repudiation of the election was clearly based on fear
that the "Black Republicans" would end slavery in the south. One must
also bear in mind that the Dred Scott decision had made slavery legal in all the
territories. It also may have made slavery legal in all the states, since Dred
Scott had lived in Illinois and should in theory have become free by living in
that Free State.
To Good riddence, As a non-Utahn reading the Deseret News discussion
boards why do you assume everyone else is a Utahn? Your assumption is
To Edgar Friendly, The bailout was passed by a Democrat house and
Democrat senate. So do not claim that it was just a Republican idea. There
were people from both parties for and against it, so your simplistic blaming it
on Republicans has no relevance to what really happened.
I also have to say what the 6:13 commentator said was reprehensible. I
think the majority of residents of Utah voted for McCain and Palin because they
believed they have better policies and will be better leaders. I think
the 6:13 commentator has to understand that Obamas declaration of opposition to
Proposition 8 distubed many of us. Many people also take offense to his having
voted in favor of infanticide. We may overvalue social issues, but to act
as if we ignore social issues is unfair and wrong.
I think we need to give Obama a chance. I voted for McCain, but Obama
won fair and square. I wish that people would show respect for other
human beings and not insult them. I am encoraged by those who see that we
need to get behind the new president-elect to move things forward. I
also have to observe that the rudest comments still come from some of the Obama
supporters. They will still claim that Utah is the most out of touch state,
even though Wyoming and Oklahoma voted for McCain by significantly wider margins
than Utah did. Well, I wonder if Reid will keep a cabinet seat?
Mark, you don't decide who is and isn't an American. Anyone born in the US is
an American. If I got so angry with the election of Obama that I moved to
Canada, I'd still be an American.Anyway, it's a silly argument.I don't like Obama, I don't have to listen to him or see his face. I
will vote for whoever runs against him in 2012.What comes around,
goes around. You Demos beat on GW Bush from Day One. Your man won't get a
honeymoon from the right. You "upped the ante" in the hate category, now don't
whine when it comes back to haunt you.
You completely glossed over the part about Dodd and Frank. Or is what they did
OK? I sure don't think it is.
To: Re: Voice of Reason. Public financing was obviously not dead since McCain
used it, sacrificing an election by adhering to his principles. It is dead now.
No candidate will use it again, so the demos and repubs in the Congo should
remove it from the appropriations and the bureaucracy administering it should be
Especially because I said exactly what you said.
Oh, I'm sorry Obama Republican I didn't notice that was your post at 2:18, I
thought I was responding to re:Obama Republican. (why can't people just put a
lil name in there, oh well) But anyway you say I am trying to
rewrite history. Really? How so? Especially when I said nothing in my initial
post about the Keating Five's history. So, pray tell, where am I rewriting
Ahh, Obama Republican, It's got nothing to do with rewriting history.
You made the claim that the Keating Five were the leaders of the S&L crisis. "And how dare you cite the 1990's S&L Scandal as a Reagan/Bush problem?
The leaders of the Keating 5 were Cranston (D-Calif) and DeConcini (D-NM)." You said this in response to Obama Republican's comment:
"R)ReaganBush 1987 crash, 1990 Banks and S&L's fail nation wide" The
Keating Five were accused of trying to intervene on the part of the chairman of
the Lincoln S&L who was involved in a regulatory investigation by the Federal
Home Loan Bank Board due to the S&L failure. The Keating Five were
not accused of having anything to do with the S&L failures. They
were accused of interfered with the FHLBB in its investigation of Lincoln
I just want to say thanks to all of you on this site who spout the words and
policies of Limbaugh, Coulter, Fox News, O'Reilly, et al. I was born and raised
a TRUE conservative in Utah, and I will stack my bona fides against anyone
claiming to be conservative on this site. I am also a successful businessman,
so I have a major concern about the economic viability of our country and world.
Because of the shift of the Republican party to Rove and his politics of utter
divisiveness, I voted for Obama. Sometimes I've reflected on this choice. But
coming on this site and reading the tripe that is being spouted as political
commentary by the "Republican base" reminds me that I made the right choice.So please, keep spouting. That is your right, and I would never try to
stop it. The good thing is that it will strengthen the rest of us, left and
right, red, white and blue, as we unify against such garbage to work through the
problems we face as Americans.
"Mark" seems to me you want to re write history. You also seem to know little
about the K5.Lets see what Time Mag has to say about the Keating 5
or in your message 2."Following the deregulation of savings and loan
associations (S&Ls) in the early 1980's, several of these banks began taking
greater liberties with depositors' money, sinking it into risky real estate
ventures and junk bonds in an effort to reap maximum profits. Fearful about the
future of the vast amounts of federally-insured money being invested, the
Federal Home Loan Bank Board (FHLBB) instituted a cap on the amount of money
S&L's were allowed to place in such volatile instruments. But before
any measures could be taken against the company, five Senators came calling at
the FHLBB, requesting that the charges against Lincoln not be pursued, on the
basis that the S&L was a major employer in their states. These Senators John
McCain , John Glenn , Alan Cranston , Donald Riegle and Dennis DeConcini....
One of the only elements that linked the men together was Charles Keating"Reagan and Bush Deregulated! But I am sure you do not blame them?
I'm not liberal disgruntled. Although I would be fine being liberal. But you are
making a huge assumption. "So the 8 years we've seen the "W" with the
cross through it on bumper stickers and "Impeach Bush", "No more Bush**", etc. -
that was OK?" Sure was. Freedom of speech is a great thing.
"we're supposed to just "fall in line" and support your guy?" You
have a tough time with reading comprehension don't you? You don't
have to support anyone you don't want to, like I said, fight against him, every
step of the way. Write editorials against him. Go stand on the corner and shout
out your hate of him. In four years try to vote him out of office.
What a great country this is. "You liberals are all about free
speech and rights - YOURS! You sure don't care about anyone else's."
Really? I'm all about free speech, you can say anything, write anything, put any
bumper stickers on your car you want. But all that said, it still
does not change the fact that you are not an American if you do not recognize
the legitimately elected new American President Elect as your President.
RE:Obama republican: "Obama even voted to have doctors kill
still-alive babies after botched abortions." No he didn't. Do you people enjoy
being so ill informed? "His resume is the thinnest of any president
ever." No it's not. "He's promised to spend more money than ever" No
he hasn't. "He's never managed so much as a McDonald's and knows
nothing about business or the private sector." That's not true. "He
has ZERO executive experience." So? "Yes, McCain said he's weak on
the economy, but compared to Obama, McCain is Einstein on the subject."
Really? "How we can elect a president who would immediately fail an
FBI background test is beyond me." He would not. You have no clue what you are
talking about. "Those of you who voted out of emotion because he's a
great speaker should not be allowed to vote." Wow, so now you are going to tell
people what they have to base their votes on? And do you not
realize that your whole rant is based on nothing but misinformation and emotion.
Indeed, if their are people that should not have voted you should have excused
yourself. Besides the election is over.
RE:Obama republican: "And how dare you cite the 1990's S&L Scandal
as a Reagan/Bush problem? The leaders of the Keating 5 were Cranston (D-Calif)
and DeConcini (D-NM)" You don't know what you are talking about, do
you? You do know what the Keating Five did don't you?
People supported Bush when he was elected president for a year or two. Then
things went to hell.If Obama does the same then he wont get re-elected.People step back and realize something. The elephants put this beautiful
nation of ours in a pretty crappy situation. You lost your chance to run it, and
obviously the nation thinks so.If Obama screws up, then in 4 (most likely
8) years you can take the reigns again and "fix" things how you see them
needed.It amazes me how some of you people think we just elected a
dictator and threw out everything this nation was built on.Seiously, step
back and look at it from a NORMAL PERSON PERSPECTIVE
It is so funny when people leave out the facts. The Keating 5 were not 2 as
shown by the above message. But were JOHN MCCAIN, and 4 others yes the two you
mentioned are in the group.The 5 stopped Regulatory investigation by
Federal Home Loan Bank into Charles Keating. The numbers do not
lie, the markets have crashed more times with Republican Presidents. (see 7.50
am) Could it be the excess greed that comes with the party of Big Business, Big
Oil, Big Finance, and Big Military?
Re: Utah Rose and a nation without god.It's about time! But I'm
afraid even with 2 terms Obama won't be able to rectify all of the damage done
to this country by the god believers in the last 200 + years.
To move out of the US @ 10:19 amVery gracious winners, you
Democrats.You don't need a military?I give thanks every
day for the men and women who gave their all so that I could have my freedom.
Do you think freedom is free?How ungrateful!
OK, I get it. So the 8 years we've seen the "W" with the cross through it on
bumper stickers and "Impeach Bush", "No more Bush**", etc. - that was OK?But now the shoe is on the other foot, we're supposed to just "fall in
line" and support your guy?I didn't vote for the man and I don't
have to see his face or hear his voice.And I suppose when I put my
"Obama" bumper sticker on with a cross through it, I will be labeled a racist
and my car will probably be vandalized.You liberals are all about
free speech and rights - YOURS! You sure don't care about anyone else's.
"I THINK ITS ABSOULTELY SICK THAT YOU PEOPLE STILL TALK BAD ABOUT OBAMA. HE IS
OUR PRESIDENT ELECT! GET USE TO IT!!!"So, you're saying we should
get behind Obama, just like he and you got behind Pres. Bush? Now that's
funny.I respect the office, but I do not respect anyone in favor of
infanticide and socialism. Obama even voted to have doctors kill still-alive
babies after botched abortions. This man is sick, sick, sick.His
resume is the thinnest of any president ever. He's promised to spend more money
than ever, at a time when our country is already in the hole big-time. He's never managed so much as a McDonald's and knows nothing about
business or the private sector. He has ZERO executive experience. Yes, McCain
said he's weak on the economy, but compared to Obama, McCain is Einstein on the
subject.How we can elect a president who would immediately fail an
FBI background test is beyond me.Respect is earned, not granted. If
anything, looking at past words, votes and actions, Obama deserves our highest
dis-respect.Those of you who voted out of emotion because he's a
great speaker should not be allowed to vote.
Yeah right. The Market is down over 850 points in two days of Obama. That's
how much confidence investors have in him so far!And how dare you
cite the 1990's S&L Scandal as a Reagan/Bush problem? The leaders of the
Keating 5 were Cranston (D-Calif) and DeConcini (D-NM).People in
glass houses shouldn't throw rocks! How Chris Dodd (D-Conn) and Barney Frank
(D-Mass) aren't in prison right now after taking Freddie/Fannie money and
failing in their duties as chairs of the finance committees is inconceivable!
I also grew up in SLC and live near Seattle. If the Democrats run the country
like they've been running our state, we're in real trouble. Businesses are
closing or moving from here left and right.We keep bad-mouthing big
business and in the same breath saying we need more jobs. It just doesn't work.
oh happy day!you people need to stop acting like such drama queens!
The problem is not the Republicans. The problem is not the Democrats. The
problem with our country is greed. And you are the epitome of that greed.You think you are so great? Why is it that rich people get a
preferential tax rate of 15% while the rest of us have to pay on W-2 wages at
much higher rates? By the way, not all rich people are GOP members. I make
double UT's median salary and I am willing to share with those less fortunate.
My biggest client made $40M last year and he's a Democrat as well.When is enough enough? I would much rather give some of my excess to put food
on someone's table than buy another boat, upgrade my car that is only 2 years
old, buy a McMansion, etc so I can be a big showoff to my neighbors.How very Christian of you to horde your money. Please, don't let the door hit
you on the way out. We'll do just fine without you and your showoff money.Also, we won't need a military without you anyway. All the loathed
people will be going with you.
Ann Coulter indeed. I am a staunch Republican and am terribly embarassed by the
woman. She uses her hate and lies for money. You know, it really
is dangerous to be that "right wing." I doubt any of the Brethren would go new
To Kathy - Not all Utah Mormaons voted for McCain
Look at market over history, all you morons that think republican have a corner
on great stock markets are wrong.(R)Coolidge 1929 mkt crash(R)Hoover 1930 mkt fell 25% 1933 mket fell close to 40%(D) Roosevelt 10
out of 13 years stock market up coupled with higher taxes and social reform(D) Truman not one year was market down with Truman Taxes high(R)
Eisenhower 1 down mkt 6 up Great social programs continued like Freeway systems.
Not once did Eisenhower cut taxes, he wanted fiscal responsibility(D)KennedyJohnson mkt up 6 out of 9 years (R)Nixon 73-74 crash market
down huge both years(D)Carter market up all 3 of 4 years of Carter's admin
small drop in 77(R)ReaganBush 1987 crash, 1990 Banks and S&L's fail nation
wide(D) Clinton 94 pull back caused by bush recession, huge mkt growth nxt
6 years(R) Bush 2001-2003 bear mkt, todays mkt crash and Bank FailureSource CRSP grad school of business ChicagoWake up please
All I hear On the radio is the First Black President this, the First Black
President that. People say he is fulfilling Dr. Martin luther Kings Dream. Yes
He is a Black man. But What kind of a man is he? Dr. King spoke of judging by
the content of character and not the color of the skin. I'm not saying he is all
bad. What I am saying is he is not all good either. I hope he doesn't fail our
country in the next 4 yrs, but I have the feeling Im going to be one of many
that says (Just as many Bush haters have), "I didn't vote for him"
"Ann Coulter is one of the most brilliant, informed, accurate, and interesting
writers of the day." Wow, I actually laughed PJ. Say,
have you ever read an Ann Coulter book, PJ, and then looked at her footnotes and
gone to the sources she is citing and read them? You should try it.
Yep, like I said disgruntled. You are not an American. Not for one second are
you. Don't try to tell yourself that you are. You do not have any understanding
of what it means to be an American. I feel though, and hope, that
your kind is fading away. When you can say that you do not support
this country yet think that you are patriotic, well you should be ashamed. One of the fundamental ideals of this great country is the peaceful
transfer of power through elections. If you dont accept that, you
dont support this country. Americans understand the beauty of
elections. But a few, like you, scorn them through your non acceptance of the
results. Now, you don't have to like Obama, you don't have to agree
with his policies, you can fight against him, and in four years try to replace
him. But the majority of Americans have voted for him. He will be
your President. Unless you are not an American.
RE: PJ | 10:08 p.m.: "Anyone who quotes Ann Coulter is suspect. All she
wants to do is sell books and stir up trouble. She is NOT a credible source.
Please stop quoting her and come up with some original thoughts. Thanks."Typical democratic effort to stymie free speech.Ann Coulter
is one of the most brilliant, informed, accurate, and interesting writers of the
It fell nearly 500 points today. I blame it on Obama.How does it
feel, Democrats?I had a bad day at work. Obama's fault.Someone was mean to me. Obama's fault.My wife is mad at me. Obama's
fault.Demos, who will YOU blame now that Bush is gone?There is no laziness. There is no accountability. There is no stupidity.If you aren't happy, BLAME IT ON THE PRESIDENT!
Ombama won the election buy we all lost:#1:Tax payers lost.#2:Military and those they protect lost this election.#3:Family values
lost this election.#4:The unborn lost this election.#5:People who
own businesses lost this election.#6:Gun owners lost this election.#7:Religious liberties lost this election.#8:People who consume energy
lost this election.#9:People who don't accept junk "science"
environmentalism lost this election.10:Our grandchildren lost this
Obama just named Rahm Emmanuel, a guy with mob ties, as his chief of staff.We're already off to a great start!So much for stamping out
corruption in our government.
I didn't vote for Obama, don't care much for his views. I certainly do not envy
him. He will be under more of a microscope than GWB. Every decision he makes
and plans he implements will be heavily scrutinized. The MSM gave him a pass
during the campains but I doubt they will be nice when he takes over as POTUS.
I almost feel sorry for him, but I don't. He set the expectations during his
campain so he better deliver on whatever this "change" is. Otherwise his campain
was just smoke and mirrors.My confidence that he will be successful
is exremely low, but it can change. Hopefully he can dig us out of this rut we
are in without expanding Gov too much. I am just glad I am not in his shoes. I
don't envy anyone inheriting this mess. Good luck President Obama.
OK, if all McCain supporters moved out of the US (or seceded from the union),
there goes most of the wealth (we will be taking it with us), the overwhelming
majority of the military, by far the greatest contributors to charitable causes,
most of the small business owners, and about 75% of the tax base.You
really sure you want us to leave? How are you guys going to support
yourselves?It wouldn't be like a divorce. More like the parents
leaving behind the lazy, ungrateful teenage kids.
I am an American, Mark, and a very proud one. I've served my country. I've
given much. I've taken little in return.Obama is not my president.
I have the right to refuse to recognize him as such. Every time I see him on TV
or hear him on the radio, I will shut it off. Every time I pick up a newspaper
or magazine and see his face, I will put it down.I want nothing to
do with the man. I am not a racist. It's more about Obama's ideas and the kind
of people he associates with.He is not my president.
Obama finally voted on something, himself. After casting 113 Present votes in
the Illinois State Senate he finally something he could take a stance on. That
is a true narcissist.
Since he announced his he was running for President Obama has inspired me like
only one other and that is Bobby Kennedy, who I campaigned for, I hope and pray
the entire nation will rally around this great man and solve our problems at
home and abroad....
Why is it that all these patriotic republicans who say they "have all ways been
proud of our country" sound like they are only proud if their guy wins.
I'm sure we whined when Bush won, but this is pathetic. Reagan =
deficitBush 1 = deficitClinton = SurplusBush 2 = record
To the commentor at 10:10:The Mormon god answered THIS Mormon's
prayer, to the tune of 349 electoral votes!
LOVE YA OBAMA!! YES WE CAN AND YES WE WILL!!! LETTING YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TONS
OF SUPPORT HERE IN UTAH. I THINK ITS ABSOULTELY SICK THAT YOU PEOPLE STILL TALK
BAD ABOUT OBAMA. HE IS OUR PRESIDENT ELECT! GET USE TO IT!!! IF YOU DONT LIKE IT
GET OUT OF HERE!! THE MAJORITY HAS SPOKEN AND THEY HAVE SPOKEN LOUD AND CLEAR!!!
wrz and PJ,You forget, George W. Bush enjoyed TREMENDOUS bipartisan
support during our country's crisis in 9-11.But he exploited that
support and squandered it.
The concept of public financing of elections was dead before this one.Problem- the acceptance of the $84 million in public financing only limits a
candidate in their fundraising AFTER they have accepted their party's
nomination. Anything they have raised before that point, and not already spent,
is theirs to use from the point of nomination to election day.Not to
mention the fact of "joint fundraising committees" and national political
parties who all continue to fundraise and spend on their candidates.Oh, and by the way, neither George Bush nor John Kerry elected to using public
financing in 2004.
you dare to quote words that originated in the festering, hate-filled mind of
this bottom-of-the-barrel person? ... if she says anything, ANYTHING, we can
feel safe in believing the opposite ... she is a disgrace to this country and
there is nothing classic about her.
This is simple to fix for those who just can't get over your loss. First of all, what happened to the mormon god out there, didn't he answer your
prayers? Why didn't he listened to your prayers, didn't he said
he'll answer your prayers, and most particularly, the prayers of the prophets
and apostles? If you can't live with yourselves that Obama had won,
then why don't you move out to alaska, live with your diva, sarah palin. Or, better yet, move out of the country altogether, because you're only
patriotic when you win, but man, you're all such crybabies. Move,
nobody is keeping you in this country. We don't want people like you anyway.You're all so hypocritical, with a doctrine from your own 13th article
of faith, about following the laws of the land, and magistrates, etc, but when
it's not your laws, and not your magistrates, you live opposite to your own
Anyone who quotes Ann Coulter is suspect. All she wants to do is sell books and
stir up trouble. She is NOT a credible source. Please stop quoting her and come
up with some original thoughts. Thanks.
mark | 9:33 p.m. "For all Americans Obama is the president elect."Please post for us, your dedication to and support of the current president,
George W. Bush.
Momof5, what a great person you are too, you, and those like you, are truly what
make this country great. You, and those like ya, bring a tear to this
old gruff guys eye. Thank you.
Ann Coulter said further, which is also classic:"For now, we have a
new president-elect. In the spirit of reaching across the aisle, we owe it to
the Democrats to show their president the exact same kind of respect and loyalty
that they have shown our recent Republican president.Starting
tomorrow, if not sooner."
I live up by Seattle, but I was born and raised in SLC so I was curious about
the response down here. It's pretty much what I expected from the Mormon state.
I was thrilled by the results. I am excited about the positive changes that
will come about now that we have a president who has a brain and is for the
people and will focus more on the good of OUR country. I voted for Obama and I
am thrilled that he won.
The young people actually won this election for Obama. He got nearly two-thirds
of the 18-29 year old vote and they actually showed up in record numbers. It
wouldn't have mattered if Romney was at the top or bottom of the ticket and
Palin was a non-factor...
Randall Bogart, you are a very cool man. What kind words.
Two more commentsObama spent $750 million to win the election, thus
breaking his word that he would only use public financing. McCain made the
mistake of sticking with his principles and select $80 million in campaign
financing. No candidate will ever risk opting for public financing again. It
is a dead concept and the federal government can shut down the agency regulating
public financing. Congress can remove appropriations for it.The
election illustrates most Americans have gotten over color as a factor in how
they judge a person. However, sinve 94% of African Americans voted for Obama in
the general election and the democrat primaries, one must ask if most of them
did so simply because he is African American. If some did, they demonstrated a
prejudice against candidates of other races simply because of race and our
country will never become colorblind until all neither support nor deny a
candidate on the basis of race. Until then, Obama's election merely means we
still have a large societal element which values race (their own) above merit.
The honeymoon will be short lived. After people realize that Obama cannot give
them every thing he promised then reality will set in. How will he pay for all
of this? He can promise you the moon, but if the money is not there it will
not happen. With the financial troubles of the nation right now, that money
will be quite a while getting here.
To Second Poster | 6:54 p.m.: "Join him or simply makes things worse- you
decide."That's what the Bushies suggested to the Democrats when
Dubya was elected. They elected not to.
Yeah disgruntled, he is not your president elect, huh? Where do you
live disgruntled? Cause you are not an American. And I for one am glad. What
country do you live in? For all Americans Obama is the president
Here's what Ann Coulter had to say about why McCain lost. And I agree with her.
This is classic."Republicans lost this presidential election, and I
don't blame the messenger; I blame the message. How could Republicans go after
B. Hussein Obama (as he is now known) on planning to bankrupt the coal companies
when McCain supports the exact same cap and trade policies and earnestly
believes in global warming?How could we go after Obama for his
illegal alien aunt and for supporting driver's licenses for illegal aliens when
McCain fanatically pushed amnesty along with his good friend Teddy Kennedy?How could we go after Obama for Jeremiah Wright when McCain denounced
any Republicans who did so?How could we go after Obama for planning
to hike taxes on the 'rich,' when McCain was the only Republican to vote against
both of Bush's tax cuts on the grounds that they were tax cuts for the rich?And why should Republican activists slave away working for McCain when
he has personally, viciously attacked: John O'Neill and the Swift Boat Veterans,
evangelical pastors Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and John Hagee, various
conservative talk radio hosts, and on and on?"
"Rather, why don't you consider taking the grand step of seeing why the other
side thinks as it does and offering compromises." Are you insane not
happy? For how many years have the conservatives attacked the liberals every
which way? Calling them traitors, treasonous, godless. And every other name.
Attacking them every which way, even demonizing the very word liberal, every
day, day in and day out. And now you say "consider taking the grand
step of seeing why the other side thinks as it does and offering
compromises." The gall.
What case wrz? I swear you have to be the stupidest person on here.
I am proud to be an american and always will be! I am so happy to have Obama
elected. God Bless America!
Yep, Obama already said that he would continue war in Afghanistan.Re: SummaryOh please, the Democrats are just as much in bed with
corporate America as the Republicans. Obama's biggest campaign contributors
were corporations such as Google.
Foolishness | 8:38 p.m. Nov. 5, 2008NO ONE is coming home from any
WAR. That was nothing but a heaping crock of mouthing off with hot air just to
get elected. You will all see that I'm telling the truth."You are
absolutely right. And when the now talked-about withdrawal date of 2011 comes
and goes, you will find that Al Qaeda has reentered the country, taken over the
government by force, and slaughtered all pro-western Iraqis by the millions.
Saddam Hussein will look like a saint.
Just to be clear here, this number has been tossed around like it proves
something - that blacks only voted for him because he was black. Well, that
would be true if they also hadn't voted for Gore and Kerry by the same numbers.
And for that fact, Democrats as a whole (black, white, latino, male, female,
etc) voted for him at that rate. And no what, Republicans voted for McCain at
those same levels. So truth is, neither Gore nor Kerry were or are
black. Yet the black vote flowed at the same levels to them. No, they didn't
vote for him that way because he is black. It is because 90 plus percent of
blacks are Democrats, and they voted for their own parties candidate, just like
they did in 2004 and 2000. Reading more into it than that either means you just
don't know what your talking about (or understand stats), or that you are
actually the racist and saw in that number what you wanted to. Bottom line, those numbers are historically in line with how blacks have
always voted, in all the past elections.
For only the second time in her adult life, Michelle Obama was proud of her
Lead us like the Pied Piper of Socialism. Down the Beaten Pat of more Taxes and
Government Dependence. I will not be lead by this male individual.Until he takes office I will not pay attention to him or the media at all. I
have cancelled my newspaper subscription because they supported him and several
other Pro Choice Individuals both Males and Females.Race was
apparently not much of a factor, so the moment I had hoped for in the voting
booth never transpired.The thought of Kerry being Secretary of State
is Mind Boggling. However he could be Ambassador to DufferI have
thought about moving to another Country becoming an illegal alien but most other
countries arrest, Jail and Deport their illegals. In a couple of places they
shoot them (North Koreans going into China, to provide China with Cheap Labor.
The Government of China Frowns on that. I decided that my little
island in the sea is a bout the best place the is. Until Obama starts taxing me
for your heating oil.I wish we could either Delete or Undo
Yesterday. However I woke up and it was real. The Nightmare has begun.
NO ONE is coming home from any WAR. That was nothing but a heaping crock of
mouthing off with hot air just to get elected. You will all see that I'm telling
I would have voted for McCain if he had run with the same "voice" I heard on TV
last night. A humble straight talking therefore likeable super patriot. John
McCain served this country as few ever have.However, the John McCain
who ran the campaign became the personification and the epitome of ROVIAN
RANTING. If John McCain had not sold his soul to ROVIAN RANTING, he would be
the President-Elect of the United States of America.Sarah Palin will
remain a footnote to the FAILED ROVE STYLE CAMPAIGN. AMERICANS DO NOT SUFFER
LOSERS. In the final analysis, her selection contributed to McCain's loss.The AM TALK RADIO KINGPIN FAILED to deliver the goods. Corporate
America paid him at least 400 million to stop Obama. The GREAT AMERICAN is
equally culpable. Both of these SHILLS FOR CORPORATE AMERICA WILL CONTINUE TO
SPEW THEIR VENOM. There is at least 55 million people who love to lap it up.Who knows what will happen during the next 4 years?
gagme with a spoon: "abortion is a womans right. I don't know about you,
but I wouldn't tell a man what to do with their bodies."It's not the
woman's or man's body. The issue is the third party's body... the baby.
does everyone assume these comments are from Utah residents? I post here quite
often..I am an active LDS woman...and I live in VA. Have never lived in Utah,
and in fact, only visited Utah for my first time almost 4 years ago. Why are
there so many Utah haters here?
Don't bash Bush | 3:17 p.m.: "'War criminal administration'?"Just
watch. The Democrat Congress is, as we speak, drawing up indictment papers for
Bush, Cheney, and much of Bush Administration personnel. With a Democratically
appointed and approved Attorney General the witch hunt will begin.
Wow. The maturity level of some of these post is incredible. It is too bad
these sites let you post here without identifying yourself. You have to wonder
if everyone would be so bold if they could be held accountable for their
statements. Make outlandish claims with only web-lore as your basis "proof"
only shows how badly you want to believe the worst about someone, regardless of
your motives. How lovely that Utah and Idaho are now associated with the deep
south. How enlightened and christian of you all.
Soldier...go and beat your M16 into plough shearsRepublicans...take down
the banners and candles...the Party's overLets bury war and be more
socially aware of our fellow man "Love thy neighbor as thyself""I have a
dream""He has a dream"and You need to follow the dream.....
Cool your jets. Get over yourself. Obama is not the
antichrist. Get a life.
This is history, and very good history. All you people out there must learn now
to accept your new president. he's a great man.
Wow.Nothing like reading what people in Utah are saying. It is
really sad to see such uneducated views. Raising the banner of logical
fallacies, the attacks on Obama fall well short of anything worth considering.
I won't even touch the racist comments. I have my own reservations
about Obama, but he is smarter than anyone who has posted on this board
including me. It's funny to me that the same people criticizing Obama also
think Palin would be a dream president. Obama will make mistakes,
that is certain, but he will be the best thing we've had in decades. (Ronald
Reagan was a good President, but I don't espouse myself to the triumphalist
interpretation of the Neo-cons). So please, all of you, before you
post a comment and embarrass yourself, get an education first. If you have a
problem with Obama, please go about constructing something, rather than tearing
down. Build something and make things better rather than sitting
around complaining. There are many challenges ahead, and if America
fails, it will not be because of Obama. It will be because many decided to sit
and carp rather than working for something better.God Bless.
Congratulations to President-elect Obama! I was unable to vote for him, due to
his liberal political views, but I truly admire his achievements and
intelligence and poise. We need a leader like Obama to unite this country so we
can work together to get out of the mess we're in. My only wish would be that
his political views were closer to my own. However, how thrilling to see the US
elect our first black president and now that the election is won, I hope that
the nation will rally around our new president and give him our support and
prayers. He'll need them. McCain bowed out with good grace, and I thought
President Bush's remarks were very gracious as well, especially in light of the
drubbing he receives daily by the candidates and the press - deserved or not.
But the night --and the next four years-- belong to Barak Obama and may God
bless him as he leads this great nation.
Whatever you think about President-elect Obama's views and politics, this is
truly an historic event and is significant in many ways. In short, as a
country, we have learned that anyone, regardless of color or race, can achieve
what he or she puts her mind to. This may be the most significant change that
will come out of this.As a young child, I remember seeing the
footage of the dogs attacking peaceful protestors in Birmingham. The last
lynching occurred just a few blocks from one of my missionary apartments. The
pain from those experiences is still real and tangible to this day.As I watched Obama's celebration last night, I was struck by how the crowd
resembled America. It thrilled me to see the flags and people of all races
gathered together in celebration.Whether we agree with
President-elect Obama or not, he is our president-elect. I intend to give him
the respect and support that he deserves. I wish him well. We are in perilous
times and I ask each of you to pray for him and our country. It is time for all
of us to pull together.
There's almost as many posts on this blog as people from Utah who voted for
Obama. Saving the world one lifeless blog at a time.
Well folks , they way things are goen nowadays, our enemies will probably nukes
us off the face of the planet eventually. Americans have turned into a bunch of
so many argue and are so bitter....well like someone once told me in 2004.... if
you don't like it... leave.
wondering will there ever be a black governor of Utah? Now I see why.
Three comments:Bill Clinton and Bob Bennett also promised change if
they won. Nothing changed.Obama can either abandon much of his
liberal constituency and accomplish something with Congress or he can stick with
the left wingers who provided the margin of difference in the vote and
accomplish nothing, as in Clinton's first term.The Republicans
better start to divorce themselves from the big government/spending move or they
will go the way of the Whigs.
It might be that black people, who typically live in lesser socioeconomic
circumstances, are democratic regardless of color. It might also be that a man
was so powerful in his words and vision that he could motivate the majority of
the country to vote for him, and he is african-american. This just
proves how outstanding he is as a candidate, because this country (including
racists like you) would never have voted for him otherwise. Embrace
this; a black man was just elected president, and he, more than any other,
deserves this opportunity. Join him or simply makes things worse-
I think that now that we have a black President it is time to see a black man
sitting on the stand during the Mormon General Conference. With all due respect.
It's time for Black Apostleship in the Mormon church.
I am glad that we now have a President elect. President Obama will do just fine
- if we get behind him and support him. To those who are angry and full of
hatred because he won, there are words from a Beatles song that goes . . . "I'm
so sory, Uncle Albert!"Deal with it! The gavel has gone down.
You'll have your chance again in 2012. If he blows it.
No seriously it is hard to take anything you say serious when you spot the same
stupid lies over and over. Please get over yourself.
Utah overwhelmingly voted for McCain unlike other states around it. It looks
like the most white state has a problem with a black candidate
Damien | 5:22 p.m. Nov. 5, 2008: "I bet that 12 of the first 15 US
Presidents are rolling over in their graves. "I'm sure Ronald Reagan
is spinning in his.
What are the odds that the mainstream media will ever seriously criticize Obama
and the Democrat-controlled Congress and Senate for any mistakes they'll
make?(unless you're foolish enough to believe they're all too smart
to ever make any mistakes)I think that the answer to that question
(and I seriously don't know the answer) will likely mirror the future of this
country. If we are an honest people, we'll speak honestly, ie, expose and
discuss errors when they're made. However, if we are dishonest and stick our
collective heads in the sand and pretend "the king has clothes", we're
screwed.Scott Card, where are you now?
I wrote the second post, the one about why Obama won at the very beginning of
this thread.I'm supposedly a racist because it frustrates me that a
HUGE majority of blacks voted for Obama simply because of the color of his skin?
Hmmm, I thought I was the only racist.I have nooo problem at all if
a black man votes for a black man if the reason he votes for him is because he
honestly believes the candidate's game plan is the best to lead America to
success. If you're a black man or woman who REALLY studied what he stood for
and why, etc then congratulations, you're not racist but chose to get informed
as best as you could. However, I've seen and heard many, many interviews of
black Americans in which they flat-out admitted they were going to vote for him
simply because of his skin color.In case you didn't know it, that's
racism too.And....if you'll go read my original post, I said that
the MAIN reason Obama won is because he fooled the majority of Americans
(mainstream media assisted) with the lack of credible plans and policies, not
because of racism.
He's not my president-elect!
Compromise? Really? Are you serious? When did you conservatives compromise? When
you took away our right to privacy or outsourced our jobs.
I hope he's a good president. . .
I know all about disappointment, I remember when Bush stole the 1st and 2nd
term. I was heartbroken that people would rather elect a man they want to have a
beer with, than a man with intelligence, I don't want someone like me to run the
country, I want someone who is a genius, like Barack. This is the best day for
our country. Finally for the first time I AM PROUD OF MY COUNTRY. Yes the first
First, I think it's clear that you liberals are very poor winners.If
you wish to slap 47% of the nation in the face, taunt us, or discount us, you'll
make the same mistake GW Bush made in 2004.Rather, why don't you
consider taking the grand step of seeing why the other side thinks as it does
and offering compromises.The alternative is more division, more
gridlock and ultimately civil war. If you don't think another civil war is
possible - even probable - you're very naive.
I give America 8 years.If we don't reverse the coming onslaught of
"the government OWES me a bigscreen TV", etc, etc in 8 years (that would be 2
Obama presidencies) then realistically speaking there's no chance of us
retunring to our former greatness.Our only hope is to concentrate on
getting rid of immoral, selfish and cowardly Congressmen and Senators; they're
the ones who really hold the power.
I wonder if when the economic meltdown got going full bore if McCain wished he
had chosen Romney as VP?Palin really energized the GOP in the
immediate aftermath of the GOP convention but what about later on? I hoped for
Romney all along....
For the 10,000th time...Go to a little non-partisan site called
Factcheck.org and you'll not only see a copy of Obama's birth certificate
embossed with the Hawaii state seal but also a copy of Obama's birth
announcement as it appeared in the Honolulu Advertiser (the local paper.) He
HAS stepped forward and proven it, and your desperate attempts to ignore this
doesn't change the truth. Sorry.Come to think of it, John McCain
was born in Panama. Why aren't you demanding that he "prove" his
I bet that 12 of the first 15 US Presidents are rolling over in their graves.
Will I let go of my disappointment that America elected Obama instead?I don't know, quite honestly.It's hard to let go of disappointment
when the biggest disappointments are still to come. What would those
disappointments be? The failure of Obama to lead intelligently and
courageously. Our country hangs in the balance. I'll be glad to say he did a
better job than I expected. We'll see.
abortion is a womans right. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't tell a man
what to do with their bodies.
re Jenny | 4:51 p.m.: "not a us born citizen? Wow, I think if that were
true, the rep party would have been all over that, enough to make it true or
false. you realy think someone would run who was born somewhere else? Oh, wait,
you probably didn't realize that hawaii has become a state."Where's
his birth certificate?His step father took him to Indonesia where he
enrolled in school as a Muslim. To do that he had to be a citizen of Indonesia
thus giving up his US citizenship. He never reinstated his US citizenship. And
if he did he would be a "naturalized" citizen not a natural born citizen.He doesn't qualify for the office for which he has been elected.Will anything come of this? No. Liberal courts will throw the case
MYTH: Conservative are rugged and independent people who tolerate no guff and
tell the plainspoken truth.FACT: Based on the postings here,
conservatives are quivering crybabies who blame others for their misfortunes
when not name-calling or telling outright lies ("Obama's a socialist! No, a
communist! It's the liberal media's fault! He wasn't even born in America!
IT'S NOT FAIR! WAAAAH!")Thanks, guys. This has been enlightening.
I agree that Obama is a brilliant, EXTREMELY talented speaker but since when can
smooth words alone keep a country safe?Since when can smooth words
alone keep your IRA steadily growing?America allowed itself to be
seduced by the mantra of "change" but failed to see what the consequnces of that
change will be.According to Obama himself: a weaker military (does
that make sense in a time of war?...you remember the war, don't you), continued
abortion on demand, TAKING money out of your pocket and giving it to someone
else withour your consent (that would be "redistributing wealth" to you
Obama-ites), a massively bigger government and on and on and on...
We've seen our last white-guy president.
Odekirk: "We will probably see another 9-11 on his watch. The Americans
who voted for Obama made the terrorist day."No more terrorist
attacks. Terrorists have their man in the White House now. They will begin
their attack from within. Slow and gentle.
So, Jasmine, why did YOU vote for Obama?What SPECIFICALLY has he
done?, what SPECIFIC, LOGICAL plan did he expound that will move America forward
in a positive direction?Leave Iraq immediatley and throw the country
into chaos?Raise taxes on "only" 5% and still manage to fund the
onslaught of government "take care of me now" programs?Build an
entire national industry on chasing phantom global warning fears?Your move... Notice I said "logical"
Is Obama even a United States citizen?"What?!", many of you cry.No, seriously. Is he even a U.S. citizen? There are conflicting
reports of him being born in Hawaii and a reporter or 2 who say his grandmother
claims he was born in Kenya. Kenya hospital records previously available to
reporters are now sealed.Why?If he was born in the US,
where's his birth certificate? Why hasn't he produced one? Why are his college
records sealed? Did he receive federal government money as a foreign
student?What?, it's impossible that someone who is handsome,
wealthy, a polished speaker and has a picture-perfect family can be a fraud?Think again.If he's an American citizen why doesn't he step
forward and PROVE it?Maybe he is, but PROVE it.
To all those who still aren't clear on this. The LDS Church doesn't openly
support any candidate or political party because if they did the Church could
lose it's tax exempt status. The has always taught the principles of
self-reliance. Ezra Taft Benson called socialism evil. How can we expect to
learn from our failures if the government won't let us fail. How are we to learn
the value of hard work to succeed if no one has to work hard because the
government just gives it all to us. How is it correct and just to take wealth
from those who earned to give it to those who haven't. Robin Hood robbed from
the rich to give to the poor but he still stole (Thou shalt not steal). I say
take welfare away and watch how quickly unemployment falls. Amazing how hard
someone will WORK when their survival depends on it. One more thing.
Voting against Obama doesn't make one a racist. I voted against him because he's
a socialist and as world history has taught us socialism represses freedom and
eventually always fails. I'm white but my wife is Black/Latin (Mulatto) so no
one can say I'm racist.
not a us born citizen? Wow, I think if that were true, the rep party would have
been all over that, enough to make it true or false. you realy think someone
would run who was born somewhere else? Oh, wait, you probably didn't realize
that hawaii has become a state.
Please, Please, Please promise me that the people of the Redest state in the
nation will stay there and not move to California....ever. I love you all, but
change is coming and with Demecrats running everything now, there is no stopping
the change. Tie up your boots because it is going to be a wild ride...yeh
President Obama. It has a good ring to it.
to Obama wins, America loses: "'America loses' what are you saying!!! do
you think??? AMERICA HAVE VOTED!!!! FOR OBAMA...FOR HOPE!!!"How
anyone could vote for mere "HOPE" is very puzzling."Go to Walmart,
walk to the redbox, rent a movie...enjoy!!! Obama is YOUR PRESIDENT!!!"Quit saying that. I get nauseated each time.
Re: My fellow Republicans...LOL I can't stop laughin at your comment what? "our
candidates for varies PUBIC office"??? LOL learn how to spell first and then
preach to your equally smart "fellow Republicans"
Your comments seem to show a complete unawareness of the whole election. Many
of the analysts are already commenting the racial implications of this election,
though great, are subtle. Meaning, race was not the pivotal factor in Obama's
winning. Dissatisfaction with the Republicans for the last eight years on
everything to the war and the economy were likely the largest. Second was
Obama's charisma and ability to connect emotionally with people from many
different backgrounds. This is true even for those who disagree with him.
Third was a superfunded and aggressive campaign. Fourth was a poorly run flash
in the pan campaign from McCain - with short term gain, long term deficit
publicity stunts liking appointing Sarah Palin as VP. As for your
vague imagery to Martin Luther Kings "I Have a dream" speech, who in politics do
you know the "content of their heart"? We never truly know what is internal to
them, but you got it all wrong. MLK did not say individuals should be judged by
the "content of their heart", but "content of their character". Obama's display
of character has been impeccable compared to that of his fellow politicians, now
as well as the past.
I am pleased that Obama win period. He stands for the new age for this
generation. I am LDS and hope that President Monson gives his regards to the new
President of The United States. If this is the true gospel and that we believe
that everyone is equal. its about time that our church to look for leaders not
for colour of their skin but for love and committment to the gospel and not
because they live in Idaho or Utah or seven generation mormon.
"When does the movie "Hussein" come out? We've already covered "W.""If the timing is the same, it will be at the end of his second term.
"Can someone please tell me, in two sentences or less, the REAL DIFFERENCES
between Obama's politics and Socialism?"Same as the lack of
differences between McCain's policies and socialism. If there are income or
property taxes, it's a socialist government. We've had one since the Washington
administration.Sorry, had to use a third sentence.
It's interesting to read that the Obama supporters are NOW saying it's time for
the McCain/Republican supporters to accept "President-Elect Obama" and move on,
"grow up", "work together", and "be respectful". Is this the same group who had
an absolute hatred toward President Bush and would not recognize him as their
A generation ago, another young president posed a challenge. Perhaps our
largesse has made us deaf to our conscience. As cititzens, we have
entitlements. That is the fear that most conservatives brace for ("lazy"). On
both sides of the political fence we have lost sight of our responsibilities.
Some claim the new administration will usher in neo-socialism and that
redistirbution of wealth will destroy creativity and initiative. Wealth has
been re-distributed under the current administration (the gap between the poor
and the wealthy has been widening). The only difference is assignment of what
is diminished. For eight years hope has been lost. Now it is initiative that
will bear the burden though I doubt this will be the case. If there
are successful LDS people complaining about the outcome, I suggest you re-visit
the doctrines of the Church and realize your labors and attendant blessings are
not intended to engage in indulgent behavior. To the poor of the Faith,
remember the parable of the Talents. Goes both ways
I was really hoping to see Tina Fey as Palin the president in two years... Dang
liberals are tolerant of only those who are exactly like themselves. Any
differences are viewed with a snobbish contempt. So here we go...
"He [Obama] considers someone who chooses to keep something they earned
to be selfish!"Guess what? So does the Lord. Ever heard of the
United Order? We tried to live it once, but had to give up on the law of 100%
consecration to live the lesser law of tithing (10%). Based on your comment,
I'd say we're still not ready to try again.
That will be the day when those items are a politician's agenda. Instead we
will spend billions on ending global poverty and and on equalizing the wealth in
to a socialistic society!
When does the movie "Hussein" come out? We've already covered "W."
Can someone please tell me, in two sentences or less, the REAL DIFFERENCES
between Obama's politics and Socialism? I'm listening. Because when confronted
with this question, himself, he answered, "Who decided that selfishness is a
virtue?" KILLS ME! He considers someone who chooses to keep something they
earned to be selfish! On that note, I seem to remember $4.2 million dollars
entering AND REMAINING in Mr. Obama's pockets just last year. SELFISH!
Bush's adm;inistration wasn't criminalObama's administration won't be
socialistNot everyone posting anti Obama remarks is from Utah.46% of
the country didn't want Obama for president or 56,280,519 people. (cnn.com)African American's were racially motivated. 90+% voted Obama where
statistically if people weren't racially motivated it should have been closer to
50-60%.Obama has little to no experience. Junior senator, but is
charismatic.Palin has little experience. PTA/Gov. AlaskaMcCain is a
senior senator with conserative views.None of the choices America was
given were great or "Awesome". America is a great country because each
person has the right to rant/vent/etc.American is a great country because
each person can take part in the election process.Obama is the president
elect of the US.America need the support and prayers of everyone to regain
it's economic strength.Coporate greed not Bush, not Obama, not McCain is
the blame for the decline of Wall Street,Housing,BankingAl Quida &
terrorism is a real threat not just to the US but the world. They do not want
to be our friend. They want to destroy our way of life.People help
eachother without the need for government intervention.GOD BLESS
Bush: "when you hear the words McCain think of this face"McCain probably
could have had the best campaign ever, but the fact that his fellow republicans
(90% of the time McCain voted with bush mind you) did such a horrible job while
in "control" he was doomed from the start.Also, to both sides, 4 years IS
NOT A LONG TIME! Super left people: Obama cant fix everything in that span,
sorry he just cantSuper right people: Obama cant blow everything in that
span, sorry he just cant
Let's get one thing straight. We ARE ALL AMERICANS!I love history, the
only time in the history of the nation that such hateful rhetoric has been
spouted, one about the other, one feeling the other is stupid, the other evil,
is the CIVIL WAR! Have we truly progressed much when we can't even speak to each
other with respect and Civility. We may disagree but attacking one antoher, and
then saying that we abhor attacking one antoher is the epitome of Hypocrisy.
That goes for both sides of the Party. Vox Populi has spoken, now let's rally
aroudn the people and the constitution and the man whom the people have
elected.Don't let division lead to another Civil War, because it is
guaranteed that it will be far more destructive and deadly than any other war
known to man.
I couldn't agree more!! Well said!I feel sorry for those extreme
right wingers who are sooooooooooo stubborn in their wacked out beliefs that
they are failing to appreciate what an incredible time this is in the history of
I'm not the one you were talking to, but I just have to comment on your
mispelling and very poor grammar. That is sad.
We yell and scream and otherwise celebrate that a "Black Man" has won the
presidency yet we fail to judge a man by the "content of his heart and not his
color." The very possible pending failure of his presidency may put the gains
of "Blacks" many years back. How truly sad that we really don't know the
content of his heart. How truly sad for America. I lover Her dearly and always
will, but I am afraid for her future.
I hope the president-elect doesn't misread the win. He won because W. lied us
into a war and ruined our economy. I look for Obama to become more republican
just like Clinton did.
OK, fine. You are against abortion. Just what exactly would you like Obama to
do about it? The same thing your Republican congress and President did about it
from 2000-2006? He can provide lip service with no action. No problem.
That list is both long and ridiculous. To be a uniter he has to lower taxes?
OK, fine. So to lower taxes we lower services to pay for taxes. Don't expect
anyone to repave your road for potholes, snowplow, and you can start educating
your own kids home-school style. You can also cancel your SS checks and we'll
end that silly war while we are at it.Do you get the point? This is
YOUR list. It is not mine. It is not most American's.
Hmmm, what'll I pick? Socialism for rich guys, or socialism for the middle
class? McCain or Obama - the old face or the young face of the EXACT SAME
GUY?I miss the days when one of the parties stood for real
conservative values - low taxes, balanced budget, limited government, avoiding
foreign entanglements, and staying out of people's private business and lives.
Republicans or democrats? Not a pitcher of spit worth of difference.
UT is so clueless, spouting the words Marxism and socailism like they even know
what they are talking about.Guess what? The Public School system is
a socialist concept! True capitalism would privitize schools and allow the rich
to get ahead from pre-school on.Ever heard of child labor laws?
Karl Marx preached in favor of these! True capitalism would let anyone work,
regardless of the social consequences.Guess what zoobies? Getting
married at BYU when you are a freshman and taking out a pell grant is also a
form of socialism. So is getting pregnant in your sophomore year, junior year,
and senior year and having all those babies on Medicaid (socialized medicine)
because you don't have a job with insurance benefits.I make almost
double the median salary in UT and I'm ok paying more in taxes to help my fellow
man. Seems to me that the root fear of your socialism is your own greed. After
all, it's a lot harder to keep up with the Jonses when Uncle Sam gives some of
that money you want to waste on a new boat to someone else so they can put food
on their table.
One of the things he said last night in his victory speech: "I will listen to
you, especially when we disagree" Let's see him put his money where his mouth
is...is he going to listen when we folks who don't believe in murdering innocent
babies tell him how wrong he is? I like some of the democratic views but I'm
mostly republican and I could simply NEVER vote for someone who believes in
murdering babies, even if I believed in other stuff he was saying. What a
joke...if people think the nation is in trouble now, just wait for the mighty
change for the worse. It's going to be a long 4 years!
Is he a uniter? To be "my leader," Obama would have to do the following:
Cut the size of the Federal government--that means fewer Federal employees and
fewer programs. Renounce socialism. Lower taxes on all Americans
and American businesses. Cut medical costs by limiting malpractice
awards, reducing mandated paperwork and tests, and cutting out middlemen and
administrators. Cut the bloated costs of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social
Security. Reopen backcountry roads closed in the past 16 years.
Support domestic oil and gas drilling, including offshore and in ANWR.
Never do something in the name of global warming without rock-solid scientific
support. Support development of nuclear power and opening of Yucca
Mountain repository based on sound science. Oppose abortion on
demand. Support ideas that strengthen the traditional family.
Maintain a strong military. Do what's right for America, not just what
is internationally popular. Renounce the Jeremiah Wrights of the
world.I may not support his policies, but I will certainly honor and
defend the man in the office of President.
Oh, jenny. Tsk tsk. "not a legal citizen" "will take money from rich people to
give to poor people" "is the anti-christ" Do you know that every.
single. one. of your Obama bashes were demonstrated false? Just
because a group of men, trying to control your emotions, tells you something
over and over again, doens't make it true. It makes you silly, and
them evil. Obama is a good man. He is a smart man. He is a terrific
leader. You'll see.
the comments on this thread illustrate that those on the far right fringe of the
republican party still do not get it. hopefully those less extreme within the
republican party got the message last night that they need to no longer allow
these people to have so much control over the republican party, it is time for
them to go back to the fringe. "They just don't get it and they are vaguely
proud of that. "
YAY to Obama!!! Its about time that this Country see some GOOD change! We will
see that this Great Man will bring this country back to what is should be!!!!Congrats to you Mr. President Obama!!
Nobama - still not ready to lead.
Prov. 29: 2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but
when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.
"War criminal administration"? Really?How have the
anti-terrorist policies Bush put in place actually hurt you? Hmmm? They haven't.
I, for one, am thankful for Bush and his response to the terrorist
attacks. I guess you were stoned during 9-11.
How about people take a step back and look as to why Obama won.I will give
you a one word hint: Palin.McCain lost A TON of swing voters with this
decision.First, because it was a low ball move to try and get all the
democrats that wanted hillary away from voting Obama.Second, because it
showed a lack of intelligence in that a huge arguement against Obama was
experience... LOOK AT YOUR VP SELECTION!!!Third, people realize that
McCain is one hearbeat away from death... and Palin is one heartbeat away from
the presidency...With how split people were among the big issues,
something as simple as this (well not really that simple seeing as it showed
complete foolishness by the Elephants and McCain) swung those people to vote for
Obama.And one last thing..... BUSH was part of what party
again???I rest my case
Congrats to President-Elect Barack Obama...and good luck...he'll sure need it.
This is truly a great and historic event for America and his race as well.He will soon see that most of the issues, challenges and opportunities
he will encounter are indeed color blind. One thing for sure...the days of
voting "Present" are over.In college I recall studying a book called
"The Peculiar Institution". Essentially the book contrasts America's history,
and the evolution of freedom in contrast to tolerance of slavery at the same
time, during the country's early years. Obama's victory sure puts the
conclusions of that book in a new light.Now if we can just find a
way to keep Pelosi and Reid from polluting his thought processes.
For all those saying that the Constitution is "Hanging By a Thread." THe
Constitution is maybe being threatened. IT isn't hanging by a thread. It is
working perfectly and the election is proof of this. Vox Populi elected
President Barack Obama, and while I may not like it, I am going to support him.
Please, let's wait until we see them trying to take our guns, limit our speech,
control our media, remove our right to worship or establish a state religion,
remove our right to petition, or to clearly threaten the rights of state
sovereignty to say that "The Constitution is Hanging By a Thread."
We have had to deal with your war criminal administration for eight years, now
you can deal with our middle class loving, equality promoting President for
awhile :) Your grandchildren will thank us for it :)
Obama won because people from all groups went against stereotypes and voted for
him, because he is awesome.
What an IGNORANT you are!!! WE the middle class will just be erased with more
Bushines and McCainess policies!!! I will keep working hard to pay my
bills, I will keep going to school, I will keep paying my helthcare plan, BUT Im
glad that somebody like Barak Obama will work to make my life better, NOT FOR
FREE, THIS IS NOT CUBA, THIS IS AMERICA!!!Im sure you are not happy,
because we are not going to spend millions in war, deregulate helthcare
companies, talking with our enemies to find the solution to our problems in our
world, no US world. sad because we are not drlling enough to kill wildlife and
help to burn this world for our childrens, Get a life looser!!! It is time to be
ONE AS COUNTRY AND HELP EACH OTHER!!!
I am truly sorry for everyone who voted for Obama. He is not qualified to be
president. He was not born a US citizen! If he was he'd show us a legal birth
certificate!!! And his changes with socialized medicine and all the promises he
has given will come will great expense to the American people. Yes,
there will be a change in America. Heaven help us. The next four years will be
a great disaster!!
I would like to join the chorus of complaints about socialist policies but I
have to go to the mailbox and get my "social" security check....whoops!
many of you guys are just puppets (or parrots) of these two toxic men ... their
fat paychecks are based on how much they lie ... if you want to make america
better, let's get to work ... we can do that no matter who the president is!
I've got to say that when I got on here to read, I thought I'd see a lot of
positive things and a willingness to move on and work together like I saw from
McCain last night, but that definitely isn't the case.Its sad to see
people argue so much and so much hatred. So what if blacks voted for Obama! Can
you blame them!!! I voted for Romney in the primary, and not just because he is
Mormon (OLYMPICS), but I don't think thats the reason that black people voted
for Obama.I look forward to seeing what the democrats can do in the
next 4 years. I hope they do well, but if not then in 4 years we will have some
more change. I echo the sentiment that I hope they just don't use Bush as an
excuse for any problem that arises in the next 4 years. The greedy american
people are the ones who caused this economic downturn not Bush. Don't blame this
countries problems on its leadership. Look at yourself first!!! How many of you
have have uneccessary debt?!!FYI, I am very Mormon, I go to BYU and
I am pretty conservative.
I am curious what the prevailing notions of socialism are amongst those who
claim Obama is a socialist. I know of no policies where he supports government
controlling the production and distribution of goods and services. Yes he has
tax policies, republicans do to. All conventional wisdom tells us that there
are two quick paths to dictatorship and communism - one is pure socialims, the
other is unfettered capitalism. What Obama is calling for is market
regulations. Welfare polcies already exist, he wants to refine those policies,
and overall improve effective government. The most overt form of "wealth
redistribution" that I have ever witnessed came six months ago under the Bush
administration under the guise of "stimulus package". None of the prescient
"conservatives" called foul on that public paycheck. Debate is the heart of
American politics, intelligent debate is the soul of the matter. There are
legitmate reasons someone could oppose Obama, he is not perfect but lets get the
facts straight and have an effective exchange. Quick tip, anything promulgated
by Fox news, Glenn Beck, MSNBC, Chris Mathews, Keith Oberman, Rachel Madows,
Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, is strictly partisan hype, and factually suspect.
A great day for America. A showing that we're progressing, looking past race to
issues. That we're maturing as a society and deciding that we want our nation to
be responsible in the world. That we cherish education, thoughtfulness,
compassion, and unification, above hate, racism, the worship of stupidity,
devisive politics, and war for profit.
You anti-president, anti-democracy ranters are American haters! We, the
American people, have RESOUNDINGLY spoken! You, who are cancerous, rankerous,
and anti-democracy are THE haters of America, the sacred Constitution and
Democracy. You spew lies and try to undermine the foundations of a
democratically elected government! YOU ARE MORE INSIDIOUS THAN TERRORISTS,
BECAUSE YOU UNDERMINE FROM WITHIN!! IF YOU DON'T LIKE DEMOCRACY, MOVE OUT OF
THE U.S! (Wow, sounds just like you last week. Except the fact is,
the American people have democratically and resoundingly elected a government
that refuses to play the "fear and hatred" card. If you don't like it, you ARE
free to criticize. And I will NOT call you anti-American for opposing the will
of the rest of America. No, I will readily defend your right to rant and spew
hatred. I wish you wouldn't, but that's your right. See, that's what
democracy--and truly loving and living the Constitution--is all about. Welcome
BACK to the REAL America, my friends.)
You say you are ashamed to be an American today? Are you also ashamed to be a
bigot? Probably not.Since you are such an expert on abortion, pray
tell. Why didn't Bush with his Republican congress and Republican Supreme Court
overturn Roe during the 2000-2006 period? What will Obama do that will make it
worse?You have all the right rhetoric but no answers yourself!
Maybe you should run on the Republican ticket in four years. McCain will be too
old by then anyway, and you fit the mold perfectly!
I just hope everyone is pleased with mediocrity, as that is what his socialost
policies will produce.
"A Parable 1 | 5:54 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008 Evil Rich Person had an asset he was
considering selling for a profit. His plan was to sell for a profit, pay a
modest tax, and re-invest in another asset. He expected the new asset to produce
income from which he would pay another modest tax and maybe, sometime in the
future sell for more profit and pay another modest tax. The nation
elected a president who did not believe in modest taxes for Evil Rich Persons.
He raised them, hoping to gain enough money to pay those people who elected him.
He called his Secretary of the Treasury and asked if Evil Rich Person had paid
his increased taxes on the profit he would make on the sale of his asset. The
Secretary of Treasury said that Evil Rich Person had not paid the tax because he
determined that he would be better off keeping is asset and avoid paying the
tax. We are worse off than we were with a modest tax." Oh good
master, if thou would impart but more of thy wisdom.
Obama won simply because he was the better presidential candidate, although it
is exciting that in this nation's cultural development, we finally have a
minority as president!!!
The United States can know proudly join Communism and Fascism as a follower of
who beliefs in the principle of being obeying kings and magistrates..we see who
really walks the walk!
This election was supposed to be a ground breaking, record setting event. The
fact is, in 2004 Bush had 62 mill. votes to Kerry 59 mill. for a total of
121,000,000 voters. This year it is Obama 63 mill. to McCain 56 mill for a total
of 119,000,000 The 2004 election actually had 2 mill more voters. So, was this
all just media hype saying that this was some special year for voting? Looks
like 2 mill voters just stayed home and the ACORN efforts really had no affect.
Did utah go for Obama or McCain, reading these blogs I can't tell, ha. And when
did Kermit sing buffalo springfield? And wasn't that song a war protest?
Anyways, it'll take time for some people to cope with this election, but Obama
isn't socialist, people were just frightened into believeing that by the
opposing party. Anywho, no matter who got elected we still had alot of work to
do, and it won't be over quick. Oh, and one of the first posts said the US was
the first country to fully outlaw slavery? Do some research bub. And a note in
Iraq. If we were going to eliminate the terrorist ideals from Mesopotamia,
guess how long we would have to stay-FOREVER. We'd also have to basically
dominate the entire rregion, which, aside from being impossible, would
ultimately create a golbal conflict to make WWII look like a fight at recess.
It doesn't matter if we pull out tomorrow or in ten years, as soon as we do,
Iraq qill plunge into chaos, it has done so its entire history.
Let's see...He can't fix the surge becuase it is working. He can
only break it.He can't fix the economy because it was OK before the
mortgage crisis and he actually influenced Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to make
things worse.He will make the economy worse by raising taxes.All I can say is Stupid Should Hurt, the American people were stupid
because they voted out of ignorance, and now everyone will hurt.The
Republican Party doesn't need to change a lot of things. They do need to make
some adjustments but the liberal administration and congress will be the biggest
factor in bringing the Republican party back because they are going to screw
I wonder how many of you Obama haters were the same people admonishing BYU
students to respect the office of the Executive Branch when Cheney spoke there,
yet you have no problem bashing on the new President-elect when he comes from
the party you don't agree with. Oh well, I am proud to be an Obama supporter.
This is a great day for America!
I am so digusted by the ignorant comments on this board. Utahns are truely
showing their ignorance and acceptance of the world. Truly disgusting.
Utah...GROW UP and join the 21st Century.
What a EVIL bunch of people! I mean to say, that you guys on here have to be of
the WORST and the MOST MEAN and EVIL Group of people that I have EVER SEEN post
on any blog. GEEEZZZZ! Obama won because McCain lost....DUH!
Better go back and re-read your pocketbook constitution. Bush & Co have done
more to thwart the constitution than any government in memory. Warrantless
wiretapping, lies, coverups, ill-conceived wars, torture, katrina, suspending
habeas corpus. Shall I go on? Death grip by liberals? Are you
kidding me They Senate majority has been the past two years, just to get the
facts straight which you seem unable to do. Conservatives have had
the grip on the house and Senate since '94 until two years ago.So,
yeah, I think things are going to be A LOT better in the next four years. They
can't get any worse. How's that 401K of yours doing, Laura?
Ever since my company transferred me to UT, every time I open my mouth about the
bad weather, the one-sided politics, or even just to say that the inversion is
particlarly bad today, someone invariably tells me "well that's how it is here
and if you don't like it you can just move!"Well. It's MY turn.
The country at large is sick of the greed of Wall St and capitalism. The
country at large is sick of Republicans deregulating everything so it can be
cheated. The country at large is sick of promises by the right to protect us
from terrorists in Afganistan by invading Iraq. The country at large is sick of
Republicans that don't act like Republicans. The country at large is sick of
the class distinctions. So we voted in a Democrat.Guess what UT?
If you don't like it, then MOVE!
We will probably see another 9-11 on his watch. The Americans who voted for
Obama made the terrorist day.
Note to Laura 6:27:The Democrats have been in control of the House and
Senate for only TWO years, NOT four. Do your homework. The GOP had been in
control of Congress for 12 years! Like where it got us? I DON'T!!!Are you
feeling bitter because Obama won and a few more Dems were able to ride his
coattails?Well, check this out...In North Carolina, Elizabeth Dole (who
has the R by her name...start bowing down!) lost because her people decided to
slam Kay Hagan for being "godless."Fearmongering DOES NOT WORK!!! It's
time for real change. It's time to not have to worry if you're going to lose
your job and see it outsourced elsewhere. It's time for the troops to come home
from wars that were based on an absolute LIE!Peace and prosperity can
actually coexist. With the Dems running the show now, we have a REAL chance to
see that happen.
"America loses" what are you saying!!! do you think??? AMERICA HAVE VOTED!!!!
FOR OBAMA...FOR HOPE!!!Go to Walmart, walk to the redbox, rent a
movie...enjoy!!! Obam is YOUR PRESIDENT!!!
Well then, "what is the use", you didn't pay attention in class enough. When
you get a chance, have someone explain to you how the tax system works. I am in
that upper tax bracket, and the change will mean according to my tax guy a total
of $773 more a year in taxes. I think I will survive just fine. And I will
keep on trying to earn even more.
Hilarious. Those of you commenting on African-Americans willingness to vote for
Obama, when we all know that >90% of Mormons voted for Romney in the
Primaries--because he is Mormon.Pot? meet Kettle.No
Crypto-Theocracy for another 4 years at least...
"as a college student i am now wondering, What is the use for higher education?
When the more money i make the more money i lose, why not settle for a lesser
paying job in a lower tax bracket when my income is going to come out the
same"As a college student, you might consider a math class. Keeping
70% of 100,000 is a lot better than 90% of $20,000.
We will always argue over why Obama won. I would much rather argue over Why He
Lost, but such is not the case.I do not accept the result.I had a very liberal teacher a the Business College I Graduated from who felt
the same way about Bush. Now I know how she felt and will E-Mail and tell her
so.I have cancelled my Newspaper Subscription, as they Endorsed
Obama, Maize Herono and Neil Abercrombie.Abercrombie was Obamas
Mothers Teacher at UH, back in the day and socialized with her and Obamas
Father, until he skipped out.All of these people are Pro Abortion,
and Pro Partial Birth Abortion, with Maize Herono being the very Worst of the
bunch.The Local Republication Party did not support her opponent in
the last Election. Evans is way to far right for them. He did not stand a chance
anyhow but still. I voted for him.As far as I am concerned Hawaii
does not have representation in Washington and the Genocide against Hawaii's
unborn continues. The Right to Life movement in Hawaii is on Life
To the person who said that this country would be hanging from a single thread
in the last days and that day is now. Sorry to tell you, BUT that thread was
severed for the last time. No strings attached. Obama is what we need.
Such negativity! It's unrealistic.
That is almost funny. Personally, I don't care for the name calling from either
side of the aisle, but give me a break. Have you not really listened to the
boorish behavior over the years of the Limbaughs, Hannitys and others of that
This is another reason I'm VERY happy today... this country and the world have
been saved from Sarah Palin being in the White House (as VP) and she won't be a
heart beat away from the Presidency anytime soon. She can go back to Alaska and
fade into the sunset and be forgotten.Let's just hope she doesn't
destroy Alaska while she's still in power. Hopefully somebody will keep her in
check and prevent harm to endangered animals that live there (whales and polar
bears) and that the hunting of wolves from helicopters will be stopped.OH! And don't forget the Oil. Hopefully all her efforts to get drilling to
start in the National Arctic Wildlife Preserve will be nipped in the bud and no
drills will be built within it's boundries.I'm guessing the only
people truly sad she's out of the picture are the stand up comics, Letterman,
Leno, etc. as they've lost someone to joke about. Well they can console
themselves as they still have Joe Biden, surely he'll provide some material for
them with his tendancy to put his foot in his mouth on a regular basis.
As a new citizen of this great country, I was able to vote for the first time
and I chose Obama. He lifted my spirits and made me realize why I came here in
the first place. Please, let us put aside our fears and differences and give
this person a chance to see what he is made of instead of casting stones before
he has had a chance to govern. If you came from a place where people do not have
a voice, you would understand what despotic governments are really like.
as a college student i am now wondering, What is the use for higher education?
When the more money i make the more money i lose, why not settle for a lesser
paying job in a lower tax bracket when my income is going to come out the
sameamerica has failed, someone call up jim morrison and tell him he
was right, this is the end
The person quoting Obama's voting record is not saying much, since he did not
appear in Congress enough to vote. I fear for the country now that he is the
elect-pretender. This will be one of the more difficult presidencies for
Americans to endure. Especially with those like Rev. Wright, Jesse Jackson and
Al Sharpton "helping" Obama. Hold on to your wallet and watch over your
shoulder for the terrorists to take aim at the US again. Be prepared as this
one is all hype and no substance.
Yes! I'm a very happy Republican today... the right person won, Obama.
Congratulations to Obama and I hope he does the great job I suspect he will.Oh, Rush Limbaugh should be very happy now (though he'll tell you he's
not)... now he'll have something to gripe about on a daily basis. Much harder
for him to do his show when a Republican wins I'm sure.But
seriously... I do think Obama will be great and that he's just what the country
needs now (and the world for that matter). It was very interesting to watch
history literally be made last night.
I am proud to say that I didn't participate in the madness of voting the most
liberal politician in America to the presidency. I did not take party in putting
a man in office who seeks to destroy the America I love. I can sleep at night
knowing that I didn't side with socialism. I didn't support a surrender to our
enemies mentality that will incite future attacks on America. I didn't vote to
reduce national security and increase reliance on government. I didn't vote for
the killing of the unborn. I didn't vote for increased taxation and the
injustice of "wealth distribution." I didn't vote for increased pandering to
special interests and earmarks that result in wasteful spending of my tax
dollars. In other words, I can proudly say that I didn't vote for Obama and when
this all comes down I can feel good knowing that I wasn't party to the madness!!
i think it's time we stop, childrenwhat's that soundeverybody look
what's goin downthere's battle lines being drawnnobody's right
if everybody's wrongyoung people speakin there mindsgetting so much
resistance far behindit's time we stop,hey what's that
soundeverybody look what's goin down
Proud Obama Supporter | 11:07 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008Go Obama! He won fair
and square. Finally...Change is on the way!!!Wait until Obama
takes all the guns away NO MORE DEER HUNT!!! He also will reinstate the draft
and I hope all you little liberals are the first ones called to serve... You
might just get what you asked for LOL HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Thats right all you naysayers put your binkys in your mouths cause your gona be
crying alot for the next couple of years. Maybe you all should try a new point
of view, maybe try being positive for once in your lives!
Yes, it's sad to consider the hateful, ignorant comments posted from Utahns on a
web page owned by the LDS Church. Sad.
All of the backwards states voted for McCain and nearly all of the decent states
voted for Obama. If you don't believe me, get out a map. Near the end, McCain
got a few states that some find halfway decent - Texas, Arizona and Utah. But
the rest of the map isn't looking too good for McCain.
OBAMA PRESIDENT....THE SKY IS FALLING...UNDER UTAH REDNECKS BRAINS!!!
This just in: Obama wins the Presidency. Earth still in orbit. Life on Earth
expected to survive.
RE: FrighteningIt's not a matter of WHO Obama is, but the fact he's
a socialist at heart and will have ALL of the government at his disposal. He'll
NEVER veto anything.His policies will create more unemployment among
small businesses (the heart of America's economy) and create runaway inflation.
You can't stifle free enterprise and not pay the price.The worst
thing voters can do is place all of the government under one party, Democrat OR
Republican. In either case, bad things happen over time because of the runaway
governing that goes on. I myself prefer at least one of the three be one
political party when the other two are another.Dems are great for
helping the poor and for the environment. Reps are great for security and the
economy (don't let the liberal press brainwash you into thinking it's a Dem
thing--history proves otherwise if your mind is open). We need both working
together, which can't be done for at least another two years, and probably
four.Keep your wallet close and don't live in big cities for the
next four years. Some things will get better, but the key ones won't.
If you really want to know why you McCain supporters lost, you need only to read
all the vileness and hatred posted here. I would have expected better from a
region that is the World Headquarters of a Great Amercian Religion.
Ryan Peterson, thank you I am proud I am An AMERICAN, and although my candidates
did not get in, I stand readt to support the local, county, state an federal
government elect. "We need to pray and wish all the best in achieving the goals
to keep AMERICA FREE." Even if we differ, we need to take responsibilty, and
learn and grow from them, so we can have our generations to come, know that we
supported and kept America Free.
People in Utah need to get a life and learn to get over all their holier than
thou pompous nothingness. It doesn't help our country being the BIGGEST state
known as the #1 bigot mongers. Peace to the Obama family. I believe they will do
well in leadership.
As soon as we're over out tantrums (believe me, mine lasted all night), we need
to get off of our butts and push conservative principles harder than ever--if
our candidates for various pubic offices, even at the local level, don't reflect
those values, then we throw the bums out and find ones who do. We lost this
election not because conservatism is wrong or outdated, but because too many of
our own elected Republicans had their own political and personal interests ahead
of that of their constituents. Too many (including McCain, as well as
occasionally President Bush, whom I dearly love and voted for twice and would
have voted for again if possible)decided to throw their lot in with the liberals
too often for the sake of political expediency. Some tried not to appear too
conservative. It's time to purge the linguini-spined moderates and liberals
from our own ranks, and get back to the conservative principles that made Ronald
Reagan so successful. We can't beat the Democrats at their own game; we have to
make them play our game. We have a lot of work to do in the next four years.
Let's get busy.
Attention to OBAMA posting here:Ummm...he's the next Kennedy?
Kennedy is dead.
"Go Barack and my prayers are with you in your journey!" That was your ignorant
comment. I thought it was America's journey. I guess Obama is bigger than
America in your eyes. It's views like this that make me think that people like
you just don't get it. If it's Obams's journey by himself it won't last long
and you'll never see a half white man in the presidency again.
Just get over it antiobamas..Obama is our President and if you don't like it too
bad for you...I couldn't be happier!!
Anyone saying that Obama is bringing in "socialism," that he is going to
re-distribute all wealth, and create socialized medicine, is willfully
misunderstanding. Nothing he is proposing is socialism - by definition. Liberal
and bigger government, yes. Socialism, absolutely not.
He's been elected, where's the change? I don't see any change. Welcome to
socialism people. God help us.
Since when is Muslim a race like black and white are? You do weird math.
Like his ubiquitous logo shows, the sun is now rising on a new generation of
hope. I am so proud to be an American. I am so proud of President Elect Obama.
He is a poet for peace, an icon for hope, and a beacon for change. The whole
world celebrates this historic victory. It's just too bad so many in Utah are
bitter and whiny about it. They are missing out on an amazing chapter in our
history. I suggest they either join the movement, or get out of the way. We
are moving on.
I woke up this morning and for the first time in 20 years I could walk.
The young voters that put Obama in the presidency are the same people who by a
playstation and then turn around and by the ninendo. Simply because it's the
next new thing (whether it's better or not is irrelevant). They voted for obama
because he's the next new thing, I guarantee 90% of them couldn't tell you one
of his policies. Now go have a cup of coffee so you can function today.
I have to say it makes me laugh to read all these post about how far apart we
are left and right wing. People on a world political scale Democrats and
Republicans are so close to the same party that the majority of the world cant
tell why there are two parties. I think it is long past time we put aside are
very slight differences and come together as Americans cause that is what we are
first and formost. And remember that it dose not matter who are president is or
who controls congress, these men and women work for us and its our job to make
sure they do what we want. So if you really want politics your way do what you
should and raise your voice to those who represent you. Dont leave it in there
hands. We all have a voice remember to use it.
Harold Bogatchie: "Your turn now to show some dignity and honor and, as
John McCain advised, back YOUR new President!"Republicans will back
the "new president" just as the Democrats backed the current president.
"We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers"...You can
either get behind him, give the man a chance, support him at the times he shows
righteous leadership or wallow in your own sense of defeat.Ten
billion dollars per month for an unjust war or 10 billion to help your neighbor
in this country?"Freedom is never free"- But I'm sure the Iraqi's
are grateful for the wholesale rate."Irritate a liberal, be
successful"Irritate a conservative, help your neighbor.
This is the very first time that I voted for a Demo President! This country
must not stand still, change of any kind (good or bad) can only make us
better/stronger as a nation. Standing still has not improved our nation on bit.
What has happened in the last 8 years to improve our country? What progress has
been made? Let's at least try something new. I would rather fail on my feet
trying then sit on my butt and wait for failure to find me.
In 2000, John McCain labeled Jerry Falwell and others like him as "agents of
intolerance".On May 13, 2006, John McCain went to Lynchburg, VA and
kissed Falwell's backside.That was the day he lost the 2008
election. When a man can't be true to himself, he can't be true to anyone.
President Elect Obama is neither the second coming of Christ nor the antichrist.
He is a skilled politician, who, like Ronald Reagan rode a wave of domestic and
international dissatisfaction to the white house based on a message of hope. My
fears for him and our country revolve not around socialism but rather, that he
is beyond his depth in the international field. Also, that the level of
expectation surrounding him is so exaggerated that no one could meet it.As to the hopes and aspirations of African Americans, it is frankly high
time to have a black president. He may not have been my choice at this time,
but as a Republican I will take to heart what John McCain said and offer our
next president our goodwill and earnest effort to find ways to come together to
find the necessary compromises to bridge our differences and help restore our
prosperity, defend our security in a dangerous world, and leave our children and
grandchildren a stronger, better country than we inherited. Whatever our
differences, we are fellow Americans.
Yesterday, while at work, I changed the radio station from sports talk radio, to
KSL hoping to hear some election coverage. It happened to be at 3:00 when the
Shawn Hanitty show came on. Now I see where some of you people are
coming from. What a waste of the five minutes that I could stomach that load of
crap. But, here in these comments are the same ideals, the same bigotry and
hate, and the same mis-information. I don't know how Rocky got through his
debate with this yahoo without punching him right in the nose.Most
of you swallowed the McCain campaign rhetoric hook, line and sinker. I only
hope that you can follow the requests he made in his speech last night, and work
to better your situation, instead of doing everything you can to fight the
change that is coming.Judging from the posts, most of you will not,
and my hat is off to the people who say they will. But, then again, the prophet
told us to treat people that do not agree with us with kindness and respect.
That hasn't happened either. Go figure.
After you are done with the drama of being disappointed with McCains loss the
country could use yuor help to solve the difficult problems we face.
O.K I don't care what all of you reich wingers say, I am ready to embrace
Socialism if that what Pres. Obama wants.Stop complaining about high taxes. It
is good for you.
Well there is nothing new here. It was all done under FDR. It's history
repeating itself....it solved nothing then (the war saved the day) and what
remained of his programs have prolong the misery even to this day and have
solve nothing. I would sleep better if I knew how many voted for a black man
and how many voted for a Marxist Socialist. Roosevelt had Stalin,Japan &
Germany. Obama will have Putin,Iran and North Korea...and here we go, all over
"Well, that didn't take long. Baseball super-agent Scott Boros is looking into
ways to avoid Obamas proposed tax increases on his very well off clients. You
know, the "rich"."So it's up to the people who write the tax code to
make sure the loopholes are closed.The rich are good at finding
loopholes - that's one of the ways they become rich. It's why "trickle down"
hasn't worked - they're not just good at finding holes, they're good at plugging
Got news for you, "awesomeron": If you're an American citizen, Barack Obama is
your next president, and everyone else's. Just like George W. Bush is our
president now. If you don't want Obama as your president, you'd better find a
new country to belong to.I think Obama has the potential to be a
great leader. But the bottom line is that unless Americans all pull together as
citizens of this nation and try to find the best solutions to the problems we
face we will all decline together, and fall victim to our problems instead of
making things better.I have great respect for John McCain because he
has shown over the years that he is one of the few politicians in this nation
who has the guts and good sense to do exactly that--he doesn't just see enemies
in the Democratic ranks, he sees people who can help solve problems. His
concession speech last night was one of the best speeches I've ever heard a
politician give--and I believe he meant every word of it. Let's follow his
example and see if somehow, together, we can make good things happen.
It's amazing that so many slam McCain and praise Obama. A quick review of the
committees they worked on and bills they sponsered would help enlighten
everyone. If you look up the bills Obama supported you'll see see names like
McCain. It sure looks like the senior senator did the work and the junior
senator approved. This does give me hope that as with most
politicians he said what people wanted to hear, but hopefully he'll continue to
follow smarter, more experienced leaders.
Reading these comments, I am gladder than ever that I left Utah and quit the
Mormon church. Such petty, small-minded, unintelligent nonsense. I am ashamed to
have ever been associated with Utah.
Please check your history facts. America was a very late comer to the banning
of slavery! One of the last of the 'civilized' world actually.Check
out Great Britain, Spain, Sweden, Netherlands, France, Portugal, etc. All more
than a half century before America stopped the horrible practice.
I can't believe some of these comments. I voted for Obama because I read up on
both candidates' policies and thought Obama's outweighed McCain's. Do people really think that we will be worse off in 4 years than we are now?
Do people really think that Obama, a man who worked so hard to come from
nothing, will just give "handouts" to people who aren't willing to work in order
to prosper? Do people really think that Obama will somehow abolish the 2nd
amendment? Do people think that he will work tirelessly to get Fox News, or any
other right wing pundits, off the air? Do people really believe he will begin
having dinner with terrorists and plotting ways to destroy the country he loves?
Do people think it is true that his race will somehow affect their job status,
one way or the other?Sad thing is, judging from the comments on this
board, a startling amount of people here believe these things. That is the most
frightening aspect of this election to me.
you republicans are just jealous. You dont get your way so your cry about it
like most republicans do. Barack obama is the next kennedy he is young and the
young people in america trust and believe in him.
STOP WRITING IGNORANT COMMENTS!!! about Socialism, Marxism, Economy, War
etc...You live in UTAH, you dont really know what is really happening out
there!!!WE NEED TO BE ONE!!! Thtas the only way that we can get things
done!!!Do you think that is going to be easy to restore the economy,
jobs, healthcare and all the issues we have now!!! NOPE!!! People talking about
hate and ingorance DO NOT HELP!!!WE NEED TO LOOK FORWARD!!! UNITED
STATES NOT "Joe the Plumber" (How much money he did make out of this
To echo a comment I've heard from so many Utahns:"If you don't like
it, leave!"How's that shoe feel on the other foot?
Finally, the government will take care of my every need. They will make me
happy. They know me better than me. They will pay my mortgage, pay for my health
insurance and provide for my every need. I don't have to worry about being rich
any more as they will take what ever money I make to give to the poor. We can
all be the same. Wait a minute, this sounds like Socia....! Opps I better not
say that, they won't take care of me anymore.
I'm alarmed by how people think Obama will "take all the money from the rich and
give it to undeserving poor people." Even if he WANTED to do that, which he
doesn't, he wouldn't be able to. Every president taxes. That doesn't mean all
presidents have be socialists. Obama is just a little MORE taxing that Bush,
that's all. Relax people. You'll be ok. And our society is not going to burn to
the ground. But, if it makes you feel better to inaccurately assess our new
president, well, that's your business.
If the United States is such a rotten place and no longer a beacon to the world,
how come we have an illegal immigration problem?
Whewwww! what a group.
This message board is seriously commical. Unreal. I don't even know how to
respond. Praise the Lord above that Obama won.
YES WE CAN!YES WE CAN!It is my generation that has proven to
break the chains of slavery. I am so pleased for America today. God bless
America. Go Barack and my prayers are with you in your journey!
Throughout this process I have said I respect John McCain, I do not like his
politics. As evidenced by his e;pqiemt amd moving concession speech, John
McCain is a Military man of honor. Having graduated Annapolis, duty, honor and
country are paramount to John McCain. As the son of a military career (27
years) Sargent, I respect that. Having served 3 years myself, I respect
that.Unfortunately, the "man" he chose to fall on his sword for,
george w bush, does not DESERVE such an action from such a GREAT MAN as John
McCain.Had John truly been a Maverick and turned against his cowboy
Commander in Chief, I would have voted for him. Instead, he chose to "fall on
his sword" for a punk cowboy. Not just any punk cowboy but a punk cowboy who
managed to destroy the international reputation, economy and pride of this once
GREAT nation! In fact, george may have managed to temporarily even destroy his
own political party! I pray for the safety and guidance of President
Elect Barack Obama! Your turn now to show some dignity and honor and, as John
McCain advised, back YOUR new President!
dana | 10:26 a.m.: "I am for the first real time in my adult life truly
ashamed and embarrassed to be an American."For the first time in my
adult life I want to puke.
Dana, Dana.You are embarrassed to be an American!?!?! Hopefully just for
today and tomorrow you will see that AMERICANS in a democratic structure built
on the principle of our forefathers voted for this new direction for our
country. Stop the sulking people!! Wow what a bunch of whiners and complainers!
sheesh. Suck it up. Participate in your local government realm so that your
voice continues to be heard whether or not people agree or disagree. But to say
that you are embarrassed to be an American. whoa. Get your passport and go, baby
go! Live in another country and you will see that what we have is a beautiful.
Why do you think people risk their lives to enter this country? And men and
women have given their lives for the freedoms that you enjoy. even the freedom
to leave...Obama will bring a new direction a redirection, if you will, of what
our country needs.
To Freedoms Gained:If we were in Iraq for oil why are we spending all this
time trying to set them up with a government? If we were in it for oil we would
secure the oil fields and let the rest of the country rot. After saying that I
am still for us getting out of Iraq responsibly.
re: Ain't what you thought | 5:58 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008 Alot of you are
afraid of Obama being transparent and yet love the murkiness of the current
monarchy? Interesting. Haven't you ever heard of believe half of
what you see and none of what you hear?You prefer the heavy handed
stupidity of W to Obama's pragmatism & message of hope.Its still We,
the people right?
because I BELIEVE in change. I BELIEVE we are capable of more. I BELIEVE we
can do better. I don't think Obama is the sum of the answer. I think WE
are.Can't we at least attempt to approach the new administration
with open hearts and minds and see what it holds? It's our country, and just
like we can make changes, we can also demand accountability from our elected
officials. We have to be willing to do the work and not accept what we hear on
Fox News or Anderson Cooper or wherever we are getting our information. We have
to be willing to dig, and dig deep, and not accept something at face value just
because it preaches to our particular choir.I am hopeful. Can't we
all try to be hopeful, if only until we start to have reason not to be? Can we
at least try to start healing divides, instead of spreading more hate? Please?
I don't think I'll go to work either. I'll just live off of some entitlement
program.I think it is funny that libs accuse conservatives of being
brain washed by Rush. I don't have to listen to Rush to know what Obama stands
for. I've heard it from his own lips that he thinks the constitution is an
oudated document. I heard from his own lips that he wants to redistribute
wealth. What part of wealth distribution is not socialist? Any logical thinker
can see he is a socialist.
I'm ashamed you're an American too
There is opposition to all things...sure those ideas sound great, sure they will
benefit many. However, I am AGAINST my hard working tax dollars being
distributed for government help plans to people who do give back. I am AGAINST
illegal immigrants coming into this nation and reigning from these benefits. I
am against distribution of wealth; taking from the rich and evenly distributing
to the middle and lower class - I am FOR capitalism.You have to give
a little to get a little...or at least you should if you don't want our economy
to fall in shambles. Look at the UK in terms of socialism, their unemployment
rate is ridiculous - their train of thought might be something like, "Why work
if I am reaping the benefits of others".But what happens when the
greatest minds and successful business owners don't get the recognition they
deserve? I am not saying that there should be no tax breaks, by any means, you
cut taxes to grow the economy - not distribute the wealth!-AH
re: Mahershalalhashbaz | 3:46 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008 I disagree. Like
many, I can see the light @ the end of the tunnel. It may be a freight train
coming the other way but I'm willing to take that chance.
Go Obama! He won fair and square. Finally...Change is on the way!!!
The United States was NOT the first country in the world to outlaw slavery, not
even on this side of the world. If I remember closely from history class, Cuba
actually did that first in the Western Hemisphere. Also, most of the Latin
American countries outlawed slavery as many as 20 or 30 years before the US.
Actually, the US was one of the later countries to outlaw slavery. I actually
think Brasil was the last. Gotta check your history . . .
We're in this mess because no one has gone about fixing it. Democrats are to
blame. Republicans are to blame. Doesn't matter who authored the bills that led
to the mess, everyone's guilty cuz NOONE fixed it. Look in the mirror. What
have we done for our country lately?Are we just going to sit on our
behinds and whine like we have for the past umpteen years? I think
we forget we elect people to represent us. Our bad that we allow them to
forget/ignore what we'd like them to do then sit in office for years. If we
aren't willing to take personal responsibility for how things are going in this
country then we need to just shut up and take whatever happens with a modicum of
Well, that didn't take long. Baseball super-agent Scott Boros is looking into
ways to avoid Obamas proposed tax increases on his very well off clients. You
know, the "rich".Gee, I wonder if any other rich business people will be
looking to avoid paying for Obamas idiotic tax and spend projects. Since Mr.
Boros won't be in their corner maybe they can just lay off all the people that
voted for this moron in the first place. Have fun small business owners.
what a great day in America democracy does work and works well
I guess you didn't accept Bush as president either...he didn't do anything to
stop abortion. Maybe you are NOT American.
Obama Republican | 10:14 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008"We won! Now we will see the
Republican's in their true light. The gears are starting to turn, we will see,
stone walling, obstruction, negativity."Things learned from the
Democrats over the last 8 years.
MTB | 9:50 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008"Obama won, now let's move on. In-fighting
will not do our nation any good."You shoulda told that to your
Democrat friends for the last eight years.
don't make stupid statements! the US was actually one of the last to ban
slavery. england was actually the first. followed by the rest of europe, then
the carribean, and then finally us!
I never knew people in Utah were so racist until I started reading the comments
on this website.
Anonymous | 3:30 a.m.: "Finally, the McBush nightmare is over!"Now begins the real life horror.
Dear Home School,I am single and my tax dollars pay for your child's
education. Though I have no children I still have to pay taxes on my property so
that your child can go to school to learn about how socialism is bad. Are you
suggesting that because you do not agree with what you call "socialist ideals"
that there should be no public school. Maybe all individuals who have children
should pay for the children's schooling and receive NO help from the government.
Then I can take those dollars I saved and buy me a nicer car was personalized
licensed plates. Now that is true Capitalism. Think about it.
I've talked to many business owners and they all say the same thing. "It doesn't
matter if my taxes are raised, because I'm still going to make the same money as
I always do, whether I have to decrease my employees pay or lay some of them
off...I'm going to make the same amount of money". So all these people wanting
to tax the rich, that's really not going to help things. And just for the
record, I'm not rich, so when Barack raises taxes on my employer, I just hope my
employer doesn't lower my salary or fire me so that he can afford the tax
increase. So if the day comes that I'm fired, I'll thank Barack for taxing the
rich guy and not me...great plan Barack.
who think that any republican is better than any democrat, need to wake up and
smell the roses. The times are too serious for us to be divided with this
gang-affiliation loyalty to a certain party. Im a registered republican who
happily voted democrat. I believe that we need a change in America and not a
quick fix chamge like offshore drilling. We have 4% of the worlds oil supply and
we use 25% of the world oil supply. So how much do you think prices are going to
drop? Mcbush was not going to change anything. He has been in the senate for 29
years and votes with bush 95% of the time. Thats not change, thats more of the
Yessirree, just so long as I don't make more than 300K ...er... 250K ...er...
200K ...er... 150K ...er... 120K ... just so long as I don't make any money at
all I'll be doing great.
So much emphasis has been put on Barack Obama being Black, when in fact he is
half Black and half White. I am half Mexican and half White and consider myself
just as much White as Mexican. Why does Barack and a good majority of his
supporters suppress the White side of him (this seems a bit racist to me)?
Especially when Barack's White side of the family is the one that raised him.
Hey I'm proud to be White and I'm proud to be Mexican. Barack is just proud to
be Black - something is wrong with this picture. I HAVE A DREAM...SO WE ELECT
SOMEONE WHO SEEMS TO BE A BIT RACIST. THAT IS NOT THE DREAM THAT MARTIN LUTHER
KING JR. HAD IN MIND. Please...Martin Luther King Jr. and Barack Obama DO NOT
belong in the same arena. Now all you libs are going to jump on here and say
that he does not suppress his White side, blah, blah, blah. The fact is he does,
he embraces the Black side and not the White and it's so he can get the vote!
That being said, he'll probably be as good a president as would John McCain.
I am a Utah born and raised Latter day saint who is living abroad, and has been
for five years. I am getting tired of the misinformed people who think they
understand other government forms. I live in a European country that is....get
ready for this....SOCIALIST! I know...it is scary, right. Heaven forbid people
get the health care services they need without having health care tied to a job
that can be wiped out by a failing economy. Heaven forbid people have to pay a
slightly higher tax for something, but get much more back from their government.
(Oh, wait, when we lived in the states, my husband actually made less every year
than we do now, and paid a higher percentage of tax) The reality is that
most people have NO CLUE what a "social government" system means, and until you
live in both, you really can't understand it. We have people here with extreme
wealth, and people living off the system...hmmm just like when we were living in
the states. The difference is that we don't have to worry about losing our home
when we get sick.I am FOR positive changes in government. Good
Many of you voted change just for change sake...do you have any real idea as to
what that change is? How terribly naive. Again, I am embarrassed to be an
American today and to see this country back so far away from the Constitution.
Bush had control of the country for 8 years including vetoing congress. How did
he do? I'll tell you what he did, he took over corporations like a
COMMUNIST DICTATOR and gave the bill to the tax payers and their great grand
All I can say is power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. You will
see what Obama stands for during his term in office. You will see...
Wow, what a beautiful day it is Utah! Obama has won. Now is the time to set
aside partisanship and step up to what our nation is truly capable of. How
disappointing the Bush Administration was. Before we start calling Obama a
socialist or marxist (which probably many of you don't know what the true
definition is)we need to look at ideals that best fit the interest for our
country's present and future. If you are SO against Socialist ideals. Stop
receiving and reject government aid for college, social security, food stamps,
WIC, medicare, and other governnment help. Are not these socialist ideals? Let's
stop LABELING and use what we know what works for OUR country. We have much to
learn not only what goes on in our own backyard but how other nations function
as well. We could all learn from ONE ANOTHER and benefit as well. Keep an open
mind and learn.
The sky is falling ... the sky is falling ... Kneejerk ... yank my
kids from school ... all I can say is wow!Anyways, I'd rather my
marxist kids not get mixed with your conservatism ... totally (tic)
To all those poeple who are anti-abortion:How did Bush do on this
issue? What did he do for 8 years to stop it?After Sept 11, Bush
had a high approval rating, he could have done anything but he chose to kill
people in iraq.
McCain delivered a gracious, timeless concession speech urging unity and class.
It's unfortunate and disheartening that his supporters cannot either follow his
words or example.
OK, you Republicans who thinks the end of the world is coming because Obama won.
I do like to ask you though, if the promises he made to America did
work. If he made people live easier, pay less, and have medical coverage for
everybody, and if were to garnered the respect of the world once more of this
country, if he kept your home from being foreclosed, and reduced your taxes,
would any of you ever be willing to own up, that Obama was the right man for the
job? Would any of you own up that you had been wrong? Or
does this man can never, ever meet your very decisive and very non-openminded
attitude? Is there any part of you which is willing to have and at
least an air of, well, lets see before I buy his product, or have you already
decided that no matter how good he does, no matter how he has improved your
life, secretly, like Joe the plumber when he admitted that his taxes will be
lower with Obama, he will continue to deny as to who was the better person that
changed America? WILL YOU OWN UP???
52% of Americans were stupid enough to believe that Obama will lower their
taxes. He's voted almost 100 times to NOT do that. He threw out the word
"Change" and 52% of Americans believed; yet he promotes "MORE OF THE SAME"
government overspending. Obama has more questionable relationships than those
who served Hitler. 92% of African Americans voted for Obama; sounds like a #
that might bring up the question of racism. SOCIALISM here we come.
If you don't know why you were put on this earth I would suggest you
find out immediately.
I was so scared at the state of the country I didn't go to work this morning! I
don't think I will go to work again for four years. I will just sit in my house
and rot. I am so scared of change. Leave me alone. We are all going to die?
Did anyone think of the children? 2 Legit 2 quit
I am for the first real time in my life truly ashamed and embarrassed to be an
I will never accept such a pro-abortion and anti-constitutuional quasi-socialist
as my president. I have too much respect for the right to life to accept a man
who is so pro-abortion. BO is a disgrace and Americans who voted for him will
soon have buyers remorse and some of us will say I told you so.
I'm glad for the promise this election outcome holds for America. Like he said,
it's not going to be an easy job- he acknowledges that and welcomes different
view points on how to run the country. America is a great nation. It's a true
democracy so stop fretting the he will run the country down. Work hard, realize
your full potential and your American dream. America needs to soften its image
in the world. it needs a peace maker and not a war monger, It needs to build new
bridges and re-build the bridges burned by the prev admin. The nations of the
world are interdependent on one another and we do better united. No man is an
island. America, though a great nation, isn't an island.
This should shut up all those Europena countries that think they have become
more progressive that the USA. None of them have ever elected a minority as
head of state.
To "I'll be waiting and watching"-If you read any of the earlier
posts you'll see that republicans aren't, "to polite or 'patriotic' to spread
vile, disgusting, mean-spirited remarks"
I plan to take all my children out of school and Home school.I suggest if
you love your family you might consider it also.I will not allow
socialists school teachers to continue to indoctrinate my lovely children.
Hat off to "let's see what they do". Maybe we are entering the age of
accountability! No one to blame but the dem's now.
Much of the country were supporting Richard Nixon in 1960. Instead, a young,
charismatic, inexperienced, "liberal" first term senator out of Massachusetts
won the white house. Let's get behind President Obama. Our country needs a
great president right now.
We won! Now we will see the Republican's in their true light. The gears are
starting to turn, we will see, stone walling, obstruction, negativity.Love it or hate it Millions of people world wide have a spirit of hope, a
spirit of friendship, a spirit of renewal. If hope allows people to
move forward, to have confidence, to take risks again, then more power to
President Elect Obama!
You cannot ignore these words:"There will be setbacks and false
starts. There are many who won't agree with every decision or policy I make as
president. And we know the government can't solve every problem.But I will
always be honest with you about the challenges we face. I will listen to you,
especially when we disagree. And, above all, I will ask you to join in the work
of remaking this nation, the only way it's been done in America for 221 years
block by block, brick by brick, calloused hand by calloused hand"It
is now up to you to at least give him a chance- he is promising to listen and
explain every decision he, the senate, and the house make. He is
best giving us a chance to be united. Please take this chance.
For those of you who believe freedoms will be lost, two words...Patriot Act. There really isn't anything worse than having our own government spy on
us in the face of a real war, over oil. Obama has vowed to go after Al-Qaeda in
Afghanistan, where they actually are. Not in america and not in Iraq where
Haliburton and oil men are. Colin Powell said it best, it is the fear of where
the country was headed that made him change his vote. That's why I voted for
If you are surprised that a radical, weak, liberal just won the white house -
don't be. America is a fallen country leaning toward liberal socialism and
France like appeasement. At least 60% of American's are NOT American's. Not true
American's anyway. Ask people in the BIG cities why they voted for this impostor
and they will say it is because they now get free welfare checks and government
insurance. GEEE, how cool is that!!!! The greatness of the people of this
country is a thing of the past.
I wonder how many conservatives here recall the laughter when Limbaugh called
Clinton the first black president? Want was Rush's reaction to Powell's
endorsement? It was because Powell was black.Obama makes a statement
that our Constitution was imperfect because it had permitted slavery. This was
morphed by propagandist into Obamas will change our constitution if he is
elected. Rush figured his listen where so stupid they won't know it takes two
thirds of congress and two thirds of states to ratify any changes to our
constitution. It was Obama playing the race card? Americans made a historic statement last night that proved any kid growing up
today can become president. No longer can it be said that America is inherently
racist. What do you think the world saw? Few nations can claim to
give this much opportunity. America is viewed today for it's ability to include
I'm the only Mormon who likes president Bush and still voted for Obama. I voted
for hope, I didn't vote for Obama just because "Bush was so terrible". I really
believe history will show Bush as a great president. But I also think Obama will
be great too. From reading these posts I do not fit in with most people's line
of thinking. Come on Republican's get off your high horse and come back to
reality. We need a change. When the economy is failing and the rich just keep
getting richer it makes sense to tax them more. It is a lie to say they earned
it. How, when companies are losing profits, have the CEOs earned multimillion
dollar bonuses? Obama won because he represents the middle class. The middle
class that has carried the poor and rich classes for too long. I've never been
so excited about a presidential speech. I'm glad our country will continue to
I've listened to Obama and thought he has an excellant grasp of the english
language and can articulate his thoghts very well.That's why I didn't vote
for him. His language told me he is a Marxist.
to see what President Obama and a democratic congress do. It will be fun to sit
by the sidelines and watch and criticize like the demos have done for 4 years.
Or are republicans too polite or 'patriotic' to spread vile, disgusting,
I was born and bred in Utah, still love Utah, but now live elsewhere for work
reasons. I confess, I never realized how narrow my viewpoint was until I got
off my steady diet of Hannity, Rush and the Fox gang. No one would ever
consider me a Democrat, and my liberal friends would die laughing if you claimed
I was liberal. With that said:I feel bad for those of you in Zion
who still rant about Obama and destruction of American and Constitution hanging
by the thread, etc. The only thing I ask is that those of you with such myopia
please restrict your life in Utah so that the cancer is isolated in one
place.For those of you in Utah who are ready to move on and make
America work, but are stuck living with the first group: My condolences.
Time to paint the Whitehouse black! I love that everyone thinks our country is
in trouble now the Obama is going to be President. How can it be worse? I
think in Obama's speech last night the number one person he should have thanked
was George W. If Obama is so against the morals that most people have in this
country, then why did more people vote for him? I personally am not a big Obama
supporter but anyone but Bush is an improvement.
You are scared because people are pumping you full of lies.
If Bush-Cheney were on the ticket again, I think alot of you people would vote
for them. Come on folks.
Try to take a cue from your hero, the president-elect: we are the United States
of America, not the United Blue States of America. It's time to end the
partisan bickering. Be as gracious in winning (as Obama was) as you would like
us to be in losing. Reach out and try to understand those you don't agree with.
You may find that we have legitimate concerns too, and maybe, just maybe, find
something to agree with us about.Congratulations Sen. Obama. You
did not have my vote, but you have my support.
Obama won, now let's move on. In-fighting will not do our nation any good. He
will have many eyes on him over the next four years, I hope he doesn't make too
many mistakes because in USA there always has to be a "Fall Guy". Bush was
blamed for all the bad news but, we know that he did the best he could with the
problems he faced and the restrictions that Congress placed upon him. Have a
little heart and hope for the best for our country, perhaps this is a good
change. Let's give Obama a chance.
You don't know what socialism means. Furthermore, Bush has threatened our
freedom to an extreme degree, so don't fool yourself.Obama is a
breath of fresh air! Horray!
You clearly don't know what Marxism is. The ironic part of your post is that
you call voters of Obama sheep when you follow like a sheep those who claim
Obama is a Marxist.Educate yourself.
How can he wrote: "how can he lead all Americans when his value system is so
much different than that held by so many of us?" He can lead us with dignity,
kindness and grace. With honesty, as he promised in his speech. Get out and see
the world--you will see we now have a leader who has a value system in line with
most of the rest of the country and the world!!!
Media ... blah blah blahSocialist ... blah blah blahNot
born in this country ... blah blah blahTerrorist ... blah blah
blahHey sheep ... I think Hannity is on right now.
As a democrat and someone that has had their share of differences with Cats at
times, I want to thank Cats for their respectful tone and fully support their
call for republicans to take this as a call to reorganize and come back as a
stronger party, our country really needs to have strong parties that can
represent all points of view.
Most of you who complain about Obama raising taxes will benefit from his tax
cuts more than if McCain would have become president.
All I can do now is hope that the feeling of dread that I have right now is
wrong. I do not fear the president elect because he is black. I do not fear him
because he is a democrat. I just feel that he might be one of those gifted
orators with flattering speech that woos people into following him down a
dangerous path. History is full of those type of men. Once again I hope,
desperatly hope, that I am wrong.
"voting rights" when you say "Maybe it's time that only people who contribute to
society can vote! Requirements: Pay taxes, Employed or actively seeking
employment, Finish high school, Pay child support, No criminal record, Full time
student."You are positively stuck in the 18th century.How about limiting it to certain skin colors, land owners, heck, lets take the
women voting rights away too.Is that the example of Democracy we
want in Iraq and Afghanistan?I thought Democracy was about giving
the ruled a chance to select their representatives? You know, a government OF
the people, BY the people, FOR the people.Scratch that, just like in
the Palestinian state, the elections didn't go the way we wanted so we are going
to ignore the result.That is a twisted for of democracy you believe
McCain was a born loser
Russia is about to place short range missle along eastern Europe's border.What's Barry gonna' do? Talk? Smile pretty?God help us.
I'm just glad that will have a president with some grasp of the English language
and can articulate his thoughts...
Wow! Someone posted that Obama is a Muslim. Where does such ignorance come
Some of the postings on here are full of wrong information. "Soldier" falsely
claims that the US was the first country to ban slavery, that is incorrect, it
was Canada followed by Britain. "Soldier" falsely claims that slavery remained
legal in the Northern states after the Civil War, that is incorrect:
Massachusetts banned slavery already in the 1780s (always a leader in civil
rights) and one of the main causes of the civil war was the fact that slavery
was illegal in the North but legal in the South.Bad enough that
"Soldier" is ignorant of American history, I wish the Des News was not a forum
for him or her to spread nonsense and ignorance even farther.
I'm shocked how cynical some of those posting here. Someone hope is bad thing,
and it isn't obvious that Obama is far more competent than Bush the experienced,
I get you to re-examine your thoughts.
I grew up in Salt Lake. My entire family is still there. After reading the
ignorant and hateful comments of Utahns on this website, I can only be grateful
I no longer live there. Just shocking.
A degree of equality was realized last night- this man contains with in him, the
American idea, he grew up modestly-internationally succeeded at an elite
university and maintained his roots. This is a man who is supported
by the entire world. Wake up Republican conservative haters; this isn't a time
to expect failure, it is a time to identify that the world and this country
wanted this man to be our president- the world is checking and now, trying to
balance. This is a time in which we need the most support for a man
who is promising big thing and needs your help to deliver. This is not
communism, this is not socialism, this is the action of equality rather than the
hope or thought of it.It is time for us to respect at least the idea
of change and embrace the chance for unity. No man should blame what
has happened on any single party or person, collectively the state of america
has weakened and Obama is asking us TO BE TOGETHER IN CHANGEits not
about pocket books, its not about bigger government. It is about an opportunity,
what this country is founded on.
I can't believe some of the stuff I am reading... I am disappointed to say the
least. Not with the president that AMERICA picked, but with what so many people
are posting here. I can't believe that we are actually talking about what color
of president leads us. Either way we should support who leads us, and pray they
lead is in the direction that is needed. I think we (America) is going to be
I disagree with Obama on many issues, but I'm fully with him on decrying the
red-state, blue-state categorization of the country. Unfortunately it seems
that many of his supporters posting here are not fully with him-- he means it's
time to stop name-calling, and that includes epithets directed at the despised
Republican party, the religious right, and even George Bush and Dick Cheney.Congratulations to the new president-elect.(For the record,
neither major party received my vote this year.)
It's morning in America. Obama is the first inspirational president we've had
since JFK. It feels like the great days of Lincoln and FDR. Wouldn't it be great
if we could all get behind him? It's probably too much to ask for some people to
get their heads out of the mud...
It is clear that many of the posts here have never taken the time to even listen
to what Obama has had to say. If you get your information about Obama from
McCain, if you get your information about Obama from the conservative talking
heads, and if you get your information about Obama from viral emails then you
deserve the self-inflicted disappointment you are bound to suffer over the next
four years. Let's be sure to make Utah the self-deprecating, victimized state
it was under the Clinton administration while the rest of the nation moves
forward into a new phase of unification. Let's be sure to cry foul at every
turn because Bill O'Reilly told us to. Let's be sure to deny the fact that the
last four years were pretty terrible for the majority of Americans. And above
all else, please, let's pretend like everyone else in the country agrees with
us. That, after all, is what a good patriot would do.
There's many posts on this issue, but the only two that count are the first two.
The first post, posted by a self-proclaimed Republican, is spot on, is what
President Obama is all about and what he hopes for. I commend this person; your
post is perfect.The second post (you know who you are) shows the
ugly side of America, is antithetical to what President Obama stands for and
what the majority of the American people want. It's also written with a
thinly-veiled racist attitude that is disgraceful.Today we showed
the world that America can once again be seen as the glimmer of hope, something
we gave President Bush 8 years to achieve. How about we give President Obama
his 4-year chance before we dim that glimmer of hope. Let's see if we're better
off in four years than we are today. Instead of taking your ball and going
home, stand up to the plate and hit a home run.
Let's see who voted with Utah:Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama,
Georgia, South Carolina, Arkansas, Missouri, Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma,
Dakotas, Wyoming, Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, Idaho, Montana...Must be the "Real America"
People, turn off Sean, Rush and Glenn and get back to some reality. The sky is
not falling as they may want to believe because they hook you and make you want
to listen to them like a soap opera. Same goes for Olberman and Franken and
their like. Most of America is somewhere in the middle and believe some of the
things Republicans say and some of the thing Democracts say.Get on with your
life and put your best foot forward. Your negativity is making you grow old
folks, that just goes to prove the power of the media. They picked their
candidate, and everyone followed. If they would have showed McCain in a good
light, and Obama in the the bad light it would have gone the other way. So who
is really in control of America? Does that bother anyone else?
The sky is not falling. Obama won...whether you like it or not. Now, what are
YOU going to do to help our country? Put down the poison pen, quit your
griping, and look around you. Look for something that you can do; even if it
just taking a walk, meeting your neighbors and work together. Start with baby
steps; improve your neighborhood.
re: Socialism | 1:31 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008 3 words: Wall St BailoutIts okay to nationalize losses of the plutocrats so Joe Average has to
struggle even more?It amazes me that average people swallow the GOP
mantra yet its a party of rich old well connected white men.
MCCain: 55.753.790 46% Popular votes / 147 Electoral VotesObama:
62.945.914 52% Popular votes / 349 Electoral votesUSA VOTED FOR
I will not follow a marxist anywhere! I would say it in another way, but it
would be filtered. God bless the sheep of america. er, actually never mind.
McCain verbally abused his wife with trash talk. That put a stop to my vote for
him. I have no respect for a man who would use such filthy words towards his
wife or anyone else. I SAY, ALL POWER TO OBAMA!!!
This was my frist year to vote and I'm so proud to have taken part of such an
election. Not, because Obama is the first African-American President (something
our nation should surely be proud of) but, because I have watched for the last
eight years through lies and bad policies my future being gambled with. Maybe
Obama's plans won't work, but we know for a fact those of the Bush
admisistration didn't. Congratulations Barack Obama!
It is so sad that we voted in a man and called it a great day for Blacks. When
will we as a nation look at a man based on the "content of his heart" and not
his color? Surely, racism is alive and well in the USA and we don't even know
I am amazed at the insane ideas and folktales that are being spoken about Obama
in Utah. He's the anti-Christ, he'll close gun stores, he's going to ban the
Pledge, he's communist, he's going to usher in the end, if you vote for him you
are not a good LDS, he's the one that will destroy the Constitution, he's
actually an Arab Muslim, he is a terrorist in disguise, etc. Come on people.
This is America. Trust in The Constitution, trust in the democratic process,
trust in yourselves. I am not saying he is the panacea that this country
needs, but he certainly was the best candidate, and the majority of the USA
believes that. Certainly a better option than George Bush. If the Republicans
had won, then the Dems would have been disappointed. Either way, embrace Obama.
He, as other presidents, needs the prayers and support of a nation that is
hurting. Utah needs to forget the radical right wing "folktales" and get
I felt sick when Clinton was elected in 94', now I feel scared with Obama.
Heaven help us.
America is certainly no longer the "united states" but rather the divided
states. Liberal socialists on one side and conservative people of faith and
values on the other. America in my opinion still have many good, patriotic, hard
working people however... they are in the minority in this country. I am NOT
PROUD to be an American right now. The liberal and radical of this country (the
majority) just elected a radical, weak, extreme left character that couldn't
even pass an FBI clearance with his shady past. That is nothing to be proud
about. America is a lesser country today and is only a sad shadow of what it
Obama could have never have won without those voters who elected Bush.
Republicans never accepted personal accountability so, voters held them
accountable last last by electing Obama and by increasing the power of democrats
in the congress.Lies and fear failed. the vast majority of Americans
said no the Limbaugh's lies. They saw the conservative propaganda machine as
part of the problem. How could those who were selling Bush and trickle down
economics last election have credibility today?
If the LDS Church isn't a political organization per se, then why does it seem
like all LDS politics are far right-wing Republican? I know many LDS people
(some in my family) who act as though it's a sin to vote for a Democrat.
However, they seem to have no problem voting for Republicans who have been
guilty of adultery, corruption, greed, torture, war-mongering, etc etc etc.
So where is the respect for human life in those areas. I think the LDS people
have gone too far over to the evangelical way of thinking and have lost their
'political' way. To remain so rigid and fixed on the current policies of
the Bush administration is to have blinders on.How can such an enlightened
people be so in the dark on where the country and world want to go - which is
toward peace and equality and toward the message Obama is attempting to bring.
Christ brought the same message. It was popular in Christs time and it is
what Mr. Obama needs to understand is that he is is not in a position of
leadership, he is in a position to server. therefore his statement should say
that he is ready to serve all americans by upholding the constitution and
fighting for our freedoms
I'm a temple going mormon who actually is glad Obama won because I do think the
economy will improve under his direction. I also think gay and lesbians deserve
the right to marry and enjoy the benefits of that union. I was for McCain until
I actually got to the polls and then I did as directed and "voted my conscience"
and it hit the Democratic party. I believe fundamentally that every man and
woman has equal rights under the law no matter their race, religion, or sexual
preference. I think in 4 years we will look back and realize the country made a
good choice. I just hope nobody does anything stupid like they did to JFK. May
God bless our new president with protection.
I don't know what's scarier, Nobama's policies, or the sycophants
that were crying as if he were the Lord had come back for the second coming. VERY disturbing....
Technically - not the first black president ...Barack is 50% white,
42% Muslim American, and only 8% African American - not that the media cared to
point out the truth. It's more accurate to claim he is the first
Muslim American President than the first African American President.
Time to live in caves.
I'm interested in seeing how long it will take for Nobama and the
dems in congress to totally screw up our healthcare system, and energy
to watch the ocean's rise begin to slow. Finally, the earth will begin to heal.
Now we can cut and run from Iraq; prove our true cowardice.
to Amazed... you said, "This does not give us the right to say that he
[Obama] has absolute control and sit by while things happen TO us."I thought that is exactly what Obama was saying during the campaign.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think this two year senator implied that the
President was totally responsible for our problems. If that is the case, then
he will be totally responsible for what happens to us in the next 4 years.
I thought that McCain did a good job on his speech, he was respectful and
gracious. Obama's speech was so inspiring, it was a really
intelligent speech with references to Abraham Lincoln and FDR.
CONGRATULATIONS to all of the democrats. Yesterday was a big victory for you.
I'm sure you won't be surprized if the Republicans give your president the same
support and respect and your legislators the same co-operation as you have given
their president and congress.
OBAMA RULES!!! LIVE WITH IT!!! AMERICA WILL BE OURS!!!!
Congratulations America!!!Im so happy for Obama and so Sad for Utah
"town", OBAMA WON BY ELLECTORAL VOTES AND POPULAR VOTES!!! AMERICA wants to see
to the future, It is time to come TO WORK TOGETHER!!! No blue and
Red...TOGETHER, I hope that we can help our country to work for a better future.
Im sorry for those rednecks who think that going to war with
everybody is going to solve our problems!!!I hope God will help us
to fight for our country, no more colors, race, political side and hate, WORK AS
ONE, AS AMERICANS!!!Congratulations Pres. Obama!!!(Tooele and SLC voted more for the democratic party last night!!! small towns
did it for McCain)
The party is over. Now the consequences. Party today; pay tomorrow. What people
wanted was to vote for a black candidate. They have done that and now it is
over! Now what? Nothing. There is no more. Obama is clueless. American is more
divided than ever. A black president will not fix anything over anyone else.
What the nation needed was talent. We have a financial crisis brought on by a
democratic blocked congress. Mitt was the only nominee with experience we
needed. Where is he? As well, we now have a very angry black first lady. Will
she automatically become a proud American? And who has first word with the
leader of the nation. America is leaderless with an attitude. We'll pay for it!
Barack Obama thumped John McCain in the Electoral College tally and handily won
the popular vote...do you need another proof of that Utah?
The rest of the world got the U.S. president that THEY wanted, I hope the U.S.
Obama won because of our current president. He really isn't that qualified, but
i don't think a single repbulican candidate running this year would have won. I
used to think the second coming wasn't going to happen in my life time...I am
starting to reconsider.
Hold on to your pocketbooks! Socialism is just around the corner with its higher
taxes (on everyone, but more on the higher incomes) and higher unemployment,
because our bosses will be getting taxed more so they can't keep as many
employees. Robin Hood is a fallacy, but the Dems think it's real life.Also, hold on to your britches if you live in a large U.S. city. Another 911
isn't that many years off now that we have a dove leading the country, turning a
blind eye to what's developing out there in the world. It'll be a repeat of the
isolationism that Clinton created, causing us to be blindsided with 911. It'll
I'm thrilled!FINALLY - a president to be proud of.Intelligent, educated, thoughtful, respectful of others.
Here's a thought. Maybe it's time that only people who contribute to society
can vote! Requirements: Pay taxes, Employed or actively seeking employment,
Finish high school, Pay child support, No criminal record, Full time student.I'm afraid that the reason Obama won was because a lot of people don't
understand how money moves in the US and they think that taxing those who have
worked hard so that benefits can be provided to those who haven't is the way to
strengthen our country's economy. I agree that our country needs
to protect those in need but this concept is abused. I hope Obama
wakes up and realizes that taxing people into equality will depress the ambition
that made America great. The best way is to give incentives for companies and
people to take care of eachother not government to take on this
Sadly, I don't feel that we had a truly good candidate to chose from this
election.McCain didnt have enough 'business savvy' to help with the
financial crisis nor did he have specific enough solutions to the other problems
we currently face.Obama is too inexperienced, has too of a
liberal/socialist agenda, and is too ready to assuage the world with accepting
the idea that 'America is the bad guy'.I do not believe in or
suppport abortion (with exception to rape, incest, or mothers life at risk).I do not believe in or support same-sex marriage.I do not believe in or
support socialism.I do not believe in or support liberalism.I do not
believe in nor will support a party or platform that supports these items.I will support America by being a good citizen, being a good neighbor,
being patriotic, standing up for the Constitution, by being a good Christian and
by praying for God's influence and guidance.
Yes, we did!And RE: Obama | 7:05 a.m. - Obama won the popular vote,
As usual,Utah`s racists show their hate,that`s why you are looked at as what you
are...hateful racists,prtending to be "christians" hypo-crits is what you
are,too bad,what a way to live,it`s a shame
It shocks me that this fascination with Obama has lasted this long. His message
is one of little substance. "CHANGE" AND "HOPE" is about the extent of it. I
guess throwing enough money at anything will work...for a while. It won't take
long for almost everyone (even some who voted for him) to realize this is a
mistake. To all those liberal posters on here saying this is all sour grapes and
sore losers: This is the reality of things. National security was my biggest
concern. The fact that Obama is going to pull our troops out, and that we will
now face a crisis (Biden said it himself) is frightening to me. But keep on
saying that this is all sour grapes. Just like your candidate, you don't have
any substance in your arguments!
i love it you utah county nut jobs cant stand losing so you make up up how
the country will fall apart while the rest of the world rejoices the change the
rest of the country has made. utah will never be taken seroisly politically here
in the usa
Im so happy for Obama and so Sad for Utah "town", OBAMA WON BY ELLECTORAL VOTES
AND POPULAR VOTES!!! AMERICA wants to see to the future, It is time to come TO
WORK TOGETHER!!! No blue and Red...TOGETHER, I hope that we can help our country
to work for a better future. Im sorry for those rednecks who think
that going to war with everybody is going to solve our problems!!!I
hope God will help us to fight for our country, no more colors, race, political
side and hate, WORK AS ONE, AS AMERICANS!!!Congratulations Pres.
Obama!!!(Tooele and SLC voted more for the democratic party last
night!!! small towns did it for McCain)
Um... if you look at the popular election, you'd see that over 50% supported
John McCain was quite gracious in his speech last night, but there are still too
many here who are acting like your toys are being taken away. It's time to
enter the 21st century, Utah.
It looks to me like the silent majority has already woken up.
Its time to follow the lead of McCain and become part of the solution instead of
part of the problem. We need everyone ones ideas and solutions to continue to
move forward as a country dont let your ideas be left behind because you insist
on clinging to the politics of the past. Just as one example, Awesomeron
why dont you help find solutions to the reasons why people seek abortions, lets
make abortion so uncommon that the law becomes almost insignificant.
Golleee, that guys sure is a good salesman.
I congratulate the USA on making the right choice. I am convinced that Obama
will be an excellent President.To those of you who accuse him of
being a communist and other things; you don't know what you are talking about
Obama's the MAN! he will change the world. It will be like having an Egyptian
pharaoh sitting at the head of this country within the white house.
I am absolutely amazed at the ignorance of some people. One person will not be
able to fix the problems America is facing today. I think Obama has some great
ideas. I also think that he has some poor ones. He is a person...not a perfect
one. He will be our president, whether you agree with him or not. This does
not give us the right to say that he has absolute control and sit by while
things happen TO us. We are in control of what happens to us. If more people
decided to take responsibility for their own lives, and stop blaming government,
church, boss, family or anything but themselves for the results of their
choices, our country wouldn't be in such a big mess. I hope the greatest change
that will happen throughout the next 4 to 8 years will be a realization that bad
things happen, but only individuals can decide how to react to life. Our
reactions make our lives positive or negative. No government will ever give
people permission to be lazy! Stop blaming Bush, Obama, religion, or anyone else
and start looking in the mirror if you really want to make a change!
At this point it doesn't matter why Obama won. It just matters that he did, so
how are we going to move forward. Let's tone down the hatred and ignorant
comments and try to figure out how to move forward. I wish President
Elect Obama the very best. I hope he is a man of principle, commitment and
courage and can move the country forward in a positive manner truly focusing on
what is best for this country as a whole and not just what is best for himself
and his party.God bless America!
1. He's a Republican (in other words, George W. Bush)2. Sarah
PalinThis why people refused to vote for McCain. And we voted
Obama because he inspires us, because we feel that his policies are the change
America needs (wake up and smell the roses, children of thirty years ago! The
Cold War is OVER! It's time to move on!). I decided on Obama a long
time ago. And everything McCain did or said made me more determined to vote for
obama won because of a flawed system of choosing canidates. I believe mccain
would not have been the republicans choice if the primarys were run more fairly.
The primary election should be held on one day across the nation for both
parties. Why should iowa, newhampshire and other get to choose for us and then
we get the leftovers.Both parties expierenced problems with states
wanting to vote earlier and not wanting to be left out of the selection
process.obama might not be president elect. Both parties have too
much power over the people.
I can hardly wait for you Demos to see a larger slice of your paycheck for
taxes. Then if Obama does raise taxes for corporations you haven't seen
anything yet. They will pass these taxes on to you and you will be paying still
more for groceries, gasoline and other things. Better tighten your belts now.
And if he gets national health care passed, there will not be enough hospitals
or doctors to treat everyone, so you will have to "wait your turn" for a bypass
or any other operation. An illegal immigrant may take your place. Also watch
the Social Security System break down because I will not be able to handle them
too.Your daughters will be able to get abortions without your
permission, because he has promised to sign FOCA the first thing.Don't complain later-----you voted for him! We will now be a nation without
God because we abandoned Him!
Okay Utah, you ignored the promptings of truth and democracy and rejected what
most of the rest of the country has embraced. Now you will pay dearly as you
remain on the fringe of American Politics.
Thankfully, our founding fathers did not intend that one person would be
president forever. It is good to seesaw back and forth with agendas. We all
want our legislative and executive branch to work harder. Checks and balances
are necessary. We have a very conservative judicial branch. But with GWB the
neo conservatives brought attitudes into our country that were awful--especially
the intolerance for religion that currently exists, and we were out of balance
to the far right.The war in Iraq, sold to us as a good war for
democracy reasons and religious reasons, has divided the country and contributed
to the economic crisis.Yes, the democrats will have more power for
this administration, but it is a good swing from the far right. If we don't
like things in 4 years we can change it if we make our voices heard as has
occurred in this election. We need a more moderate voice, some leadership and
for all of us to get on board.Let's pull together instead of
harboring such an attack mode.
Are you kidding about the democrats, Obama's Campain said anything to get voted.
Do you think that America is really socialist, do you think that the rich are
actually going to pay more, do you really think that America is wants to pay
more taxes. if that is America, then i need to move.
I am so ashamed of what remains of the once-noble Republican party. Bigots and
rampant ignorance control what's left of the GOP. The party of Abraham Lincoln
is unrecognizable. There was a brief glimmer of redemption in the gracious
concession speech by John McCain, followed by a numbing vacuous void.
You did it - Comrade Obamavich!! Let's start spreading the wealth now!!
I'm so glad people like you lost last night. Even as despicable and ignorant
your comments are, I hope you can work with all of us to move forward. This idea that Obama hates America is plain nonsense. Turn off Hannity
for a moment and think for yourself. If you honestly believe garbage like that,
then it is you that is the fool.
I'm so glad he won. Too bad about all the haters. You guys are real patriots.
When will Utah stop supporting the party of fear-mongering, war-mongering, and
selfishness? It's so great that Obama won. Get used to it, Utards.
Attention Media ... Please contiue to be unbiased & impartial for the next 4 to
8 years for Sen. Obama ... just like you were for Pres. Bush.Mark my
words, nothing will ever be printed or broadcasted on the major networks that
will ever be negative about Sen. Obama's Presidency!
Yes, we can! Can you say "Baaaahhhh!"
It's seriously sad to see so many people so bitter in losing. It's fine to
disagree with Obama. Even STRONGLY disagree. But, it's sad that people have to
pass judgment right now, prophesying doom and gloom in order to make themselves
feel better. It's not enough to wait and see what will happen. Their pride
forces them to condemn us all even before we've begun.
As a committed Republican I say it is time for us to congratulate the Democrats
and all come together to support our new president. That is what we do as
Americans. And, it is very historic. I am proud of our country that we could
go from slavery to electing a black man as president. That shows a lot of
greatness as a nation on our part.And to all you Republicans out
there...WE RIDE AT DAWN!!!!!!!
Lead all Americans? Don't make me laugh. He will lead us to ruin, and a new era
of slavery -- the sort of thing that always happens when leftists are in charge.
THANK YOU MAIN-STREAM-MEDIA!You chose both of these candidates. You
are such sorry specimans of journalists. In 1976, we elected Carter after
Watergate, then cleaned house in 1980. Hopefully, we can do the same in 2012,
but the demographics are much different now. Assuming we can change in 2012,
maybe there won't be too much "damage". Europe is excited about our slide toward
socialism. I guess misery loves company.
The angry white man, Rush O'Hannity can no blame Obama for all of Bush's
failures. That way in four years our inbox's will be full of emails that are
based on outright lies. What I don't understand is all the anger from the
far reich. You have all the wealth and yet you are angry and choose not to see
all the problems reich-wing ideology has caused.
Obama won because we now have terms like "baby daddy" and "baby mama". We have
a country full of people that make babies with anyone and everyone without a
thought as to how they will provide for them. They are excited to think that
now "their" leader will take even more from the respectable, hardworking people
so that they can continue to draw welfare and make babies!
This is a great day in American history. "Liberty and justice for all" makes
sense again for the first time in a decade.
because he had an excellent campaign, a good message, and knew how to excite the
crowd. It's like watching a frenzied revival. Now let's see if he can keep
that excitement going throughout his Presidency and work across the aisle like
he promises. I didn't vote for Obama because I don't believe in big government
or hand-outs, but like McCain, I will give him my support and hope that he can
create the change that we need to put America back on it's feed. But then
again, he may be just another typical politician...
I am a white moderate 50 something mother of 2 and I cannot tell you how proud I
am to have Barak Obama as our next president. I cried with joy last night. I
feel that as Americans, we finally have our country back. The people have
spoken and for once I am truly hopeful about the future of our country.
I agree with "Let see what they do". The dems have no one to blame, but
themselves. However, when their grand ideas don't work Bush will still catch
all the blame. It won't matter that the economic slump happened on their watch
Obama people are here to stay. :O))
if youre so bitter about him winning, why not get off your butts and do
something about it? work a little harder, try to be a better citizen, get
involved with your local community government. its easy to sit there and
complain about things not going you're way, but they will continue to not go
your way unless you do something about it for yourself. to all those who wont
support obama as their president, you guys are the problems in america. grow up,
take responsibilty for your own actions, and make the world a better place. if
you dont want to call him your president, move to mexico or germany or russia,
anywhere but here. till then shut up and support the president-elect barack
obama. by the way, he is half-white and was born in hawaii. hardly terrorist
Obama won because:He promised the worldHe has the right
skin tonesounds good on paper, but in reality?don't
forget his and Ayers baby - ACORNBush - nuf saidleftist
media accomplisesNow, where do we go from here? take a very hard
left and hold on for your life!
For the first ime in a very long, my country has a chance to regain its
greatness and re-become what it is supposed to be. It's not going to be easy to
clean up the mess of the last eight years, but that's a very necessary task and
I think the man we just elected to be President is capable of doing it.Thank you, American voters, for seeing through the smears and fear-based
attacks, and voting for the person this country needs.Congratulations, and God bless President-Elect Obama.
Oh I am so glad I don't live in Utah with you backwards fools anymore. BTW, if
you're really LDS, you would've voted for Obama - the gospel teaches us to help
the poor and disadvantaged - funny that there isn't anything in there about
abortion or same sex marriage, which seem to be the way most of the state makes
The democrats have had control of congress for a while now and look at their
approval ratings. They are the worste is history and they are even below
Bush's. So don't hang your hat on a lot of change suddenly happening.
He IS your President and you WILL abide by the laws he signs. I know you have a
lot of anger right now. Try not to take it out on your wife or children or any
perceived Obama voting motorists who might cut you off in traffic as they drive
gleefully to work this morning. They're just ultra happy, Ron. Happy that people
like you are fading fast from the "real" America.
There is a lot of real, vitriolic anger out there. I hope we can get past it, or
at least that most people do.
Im building a bomb shelter in my basement.
heaven help us.
4-America just isn't quite as racist as the neo-cons calculated. Even people who
are slightly bigoted talked about liking President Obama and said they would
vote for him.5-Reverse Bradley affect--Some Americans who couldn't
claim aloud (in their communities) that they were going to vote Obama, secretly
couldn't pull the lever for 4 more years of Bush ideology.6-Barak's
campaign was a finely tuned machine and McCain's looked like a AMC Gremlin with
it's right front wheel missing. Boy I slept well last night.
"Family of color" - give me a break! FYI: Obama is half white, but that is not
why I didn't vote for him. I dont think he can do the job PERIOD! I hope in four
years the McCain supporters are proven wrong, but last night they blew the
chance for real change right out the window!
I find it interesting that the Black community is making this out to be a "win"
for blacks. I thought prejudice didn't exist in America anymore. I can't believe
that people would vote for someone just because they are black and for no other
I am a black woman and I did NOT vote for Obama. Now we need to pray for our
nation and for the government, because their decisions will affect everyone.
1- The fact that he ran a Centrist campaign promising tax cuts for the middle
class, domestic energy development (including offshore oil drilling), and more
fiscal responsibility from government2- The changing demographics of
the American voter which included many young and minority voters who were
engaged by the Obama campaign and ignored by the McCain campaign3-
The disillusionment of many Americans with a Republican party that has moved
farther from the ideological platform established by Reagan4- The
concern many Americans had over McCain's choice of Sarah Palin as a running
mate5- The Market Crash coming under the watch of an administration
that preached deregulation, and the fact that McCain himself continued to
express further deregulation of industry6- The desire of the
American people for a new direction in government, as proven by the many new
seats gained in Congress by Democratic candidates
The Liberal Left is now in control...of the White House, the Senate, and
seemingly of the majority of the minds of Americans.People think we are in
bad shape now; lets see how bad off we'll be after the next four years...
I woke up today so pleased to be an American. Yesterday I was thinking only
life liberty and the pursuit of happiness were basic rights. Now I realize free
college education, free health care, homes, transportation, vacations,
flatscreens, cable, cell phones, internet access... oh wait. I'm one of the
... for his gracious and inspiring speech. I had lost respect for him during the
campaign, but last night he showed true character and strength. Too bad he
wasn't the GOP candidate in 2000. Had he been president for the last 8 years,
Obama would not have so much damage to repair right now. Let's work together and
stop the name-calling and divisions. God bless America!
All I can say is study the constitution. It's officially hanging by a thread.
We are being spoon fed socialism. Time is running out on the freedoms that
actually enabled this country to become what it is. Despite the death grip by
democrats and other well meaning liberals, America chokes for air striving to
stay alive. The last 4 years the democrats have been in control in
both the house and senate. Now, who thinks it's going to get better? Sigh.
Why cannot everyone who voted against Obama be as gracious and respectful of the
will of the American people as Sen. McCain was last night? Let go of the hate.
Pray for our new President-elect. If you continue with bitterness and hate, it
will only feed on itself. Pray for guidance for our government. God is not a
Republican or a Democrat.
im a white american who lives here in utah and had no problem voting for obama.
i get the feeling the majority of utahns voted solely for mccain for three
reasons; because obama is part black, they say he is a terrorist, and because
they just vote republican because they always have. you cant try and tell me
its because alot of republican ideals coincide with the lds church, because
thats ridiculous. the church would endorse a canidate if that were the case. i
am lds and we were counciled to study each canidate carefully and make the
decision we thought was best, i did that, and voted for President-elect Barack
This will wake up the silent majority, to take back our country.
Shame on the media cover up for not investigating that Obama was not born in the
USA and that he shouldn't have been eligible to become a candidate in the first
place. Despite pending lawsuits (Berg vs Obama)this has been kept a non issue
through silence on the part of the media and also for the Bush justice
department to act. We the people of the United States have not been served
Well said Obama Won Because...
America got what the liberal media portrayed. Now America will get what they
asked for...which isn't at all what was advertised.
Evil Rich Person had an asset he was considering selling for a profit. His plan
was to sell for a profit, pay a modest tax, and re-invest in another asset. He
expected the new asset to produce income from which he would pay another modest
tax and maybe, sometime in the future sell for more profit and pay another
modest tax.The nation elected a president who did not believe in modest
taxes for Evil Rich Persons. He raised them, hoping to gain enough money to pay
those people who elected him. He called his Secretary of the Treasury and asked
if Evil Rich Person had paid his increased taxes on the profit he would make on
the sale of his asset. The Secretary of Treasury said that Evil Rich Person had
not paid the tax because he determined that he would be better off keeping is
asset and avoid paying the tax. We are worse off than we were with a modest
It was fear of change and loyalty to a king that led many early colonists to
reject the ideas of the Revolution.FDR reminded us that our own fear
of change was the real fear.As a white Republican, I reject the idea
that my vote was based on guilt.My hope is that Republicans can find
their way back to their platform and EARN my vote, rather than expect it because
it was always there in the past.I am saddened that two or three Utah
House members remain in their seats. Shows Utah can overlook weaknesses in
their own representative but have difficulty in extending that empathy to some
Buckle up, lil campers. The change you think you wanted is coming. Don't be
surprised if it isn't what you thought you were going to get....
I'm not sure who wrote his acceptance speech but it was Awesome. I loved it.
That is what America needs right now.If he even tries to do that
than we will be OK.He doesn't really have a clue and is just a
politician so we are probably going to deal with the same old Democrat nonsense.
But he did nail his speech and I will at least give him a chance
because he got that part right.Impressed so far..
how can he lead all Americans when his value system is so much different than
that held by so many of us?
It's a great day in AmericA. I voted for Obama for a number of reasons but the
most important reason is that I thought he was best qualified to lead our
country in a new direction - away from the status quo that has us mired in a
financial disaster and in two foreign wars. I will also admit that a strong
reason for my vote was the significance of voting for Barack Obama and the
message it sends to the world. His face, his name, his dimeanor are all
indications and signals that Americans want a change - especially from the path
our country has followed the past eight years. Where we lost our position as
the light of hope in the world, Obama's election is a signal that we want to
regain that position, no matter how long it takes or how hard we have to work to
regain it. It will take the efforts of all Americans from all parts of the
country. I hope and pray that it comes about.
Well I agree that there needed to be a change. But, I didn't vote for Obama or
McCain. I just felt neither could do the job. I hope Obama didn't give the
American people an ear full of empty promises. Cause he did promise alot and I
hope he lives up to each and every one of them for ALL of U.S. Citizens.
The Republicans ignored mainstreet, the Democrats spoke to the heart of America,
and America responded appropriately.Thanks be to God.
I Prayed morning and night that this male would not be elected President. Even
though my Prayer was Not Answered, I will continue to Pray as I do every day for
the souls of the Aborted Unborn.I agree with Obama Won Because, and
what was posted. We have been trained as Americans that after an
Election we put aside our differences and unite behind the person elected. A
large part of me wants to do that. However not this time around. I
am throughly disguested with what America did today. I am sick and tired of
being sick and tired of Abortion and Partial Birth Abortion, as well as other
things.Obama represents Hope but only for the Dopes that Voted for
him. He is Not and He Never Will be My President.
I woke up this morning with a little less freedom. Mark my words....as time goes
on with this guy at the helm and his ilk (Pelosi, Reid, Barney Frank)we will
lose many freedoms. I am so proud to know that when I went to the ballot box and
voted, I voted for freedom not communism, I voted Republican.
This past election was LONG, and hard fought. I don't remember such
segregation as what I feel among this people. So many irate feelings have
broiled within these "United" States. Lies and criticism have torn us. The
issues we face are fascinating, and unique to our era. Even families and
religions have been divided in this qualm. We have elected a new
President! Although he's not the candidate I preferred, he is the one selected
to lead this "One Nation, Under God". From this moment forth I hope "We the
People" can support our new leader! As a people it is our responsibility to
respect and uphold our leaders. I trust that he will do his best, and I trust
that the Lord's eyes are upon this land, just as they've always been. Lets put
this hate aside, let ire subside, and in synergy, let us continue to look at our
banner with pride, working as One People! Again I throw a shout out to
our new President-elect Barack Obama, and I pray that the Lord will inspire him
to do what is best for the USA for the next four years!
People die NOW waiting for medical help in America. How about we work toward a
health care system in which more people can get to a doctor before they get that
sick? We gave Republicans the past 8 years to solve this, and other problems.
What happened? Certainly they did not get rid of people sitting on their couches
waiting for checks to arrive! These problems existed before President Obama,
they will exist after. If Republican government was the answer, the problems
would be gone! The good thing about this election is it will become
very apparent who the racists are. And I can stay faaaaar away from them.
Yes...I too am not quite happy that Obama won. All these things he promises he
will do he can not do because of the US' failing economy. With him spending so
much we might go into another Great Depression. He also taxes rich people
unfairly like he is forcing them to do charity against their own will.
4 - He was the better candidate5 - He ran a better campaign6 - George W. Bush
Obama won because people are fed up with the carnage of the GOP. Eight years of
the worst presidency ever and many of the GOP still don't get it. Obama won
because the American people decided that we did not need four more years of
Bush. Obama won because the American people wanted him. I agree with
Happy - let's work together - as a country - to CHANGE America and to offer hope
to future generations.
Democrats have won control over the country. Now they will have no one to blame
for their wrong decisions. Let see what you do now. Are you going to keep all
of your promises or blame President Bush for the next 4 years.
It truly is. Socialism won. The war in Iraq has just been conceded. Our
troops will come home in defeat and terrorists will glady inhabit Iraq again.
2nd Amendment rights are going to be tossed out the window. Rush, Glenn, Sean
will all be shut down...by their own government. Socialized medicine will come
along with the troubling issues that will cause. Redistribution of wealth will
reward laziness and penalize free enterprise. Gas taxes, food taxes, property
taxes, all kinds of "hidden taxes" will be placed on the shoulders of Americans
enamored with a silly word "Change." It is a sure guarantee that our country
will indeed change. That is certain. In the early 20th century, Germany went
for "change" too. Look where it got them. I truly pray that we don't go that
far.As to race, this is where America won. Not with Obama but their
ability to look past race. This is positive but the victory is shallow as the
substance of the candidate was not vetted by the far left liberal press who
jumped on the bandwagon and slaughtered McCain in the process. Very sad indeed.
A reply to the person posting "Obama Won Because.."Wake up and see the
real world! Have you even read his list of actions on Economy,Education, Energy
& Environment, Foreign Policy, Health Care, Home Land Security, and the list
goes on. Do you seriously oppose that McCain would have done a better job or has
a better Economic solution/Plan? He even said he's not very good at Economics.
Oh hey, maybe bright head Sarah Palin could help him? I can not remember when
some one has ever come across as having such lack of inteligence and a lack of
knowledge. She is a joke in Europe. And we are used to high profile politicians
here. And what is wrong with focus on black Americans. Sounds like you're the
one with the problem. Attitude!
I believe that President Elect Barack Obama may prove to be one of the great
chief executives of this country. He is brilliant, determined and a person with
excellent judgment. Compared to the current occupant of the White House, Sen.
Obama is an overwhelming improvement. Unfortunately, the
McCain/Palin campaign chose to try to win the election by engaging in
demagoguery. It has encouraged an often ignorant constituency to believe
nonsense about the upcoming president, such as that he is a socialist, radical
or even the Antichrist. John McCain, Sarah Palin and their surrogates have a
duty to help mend the societal divide they widened. They can do so by declaring
solidarity with the new president and repudiating the smear campaigns they
encouraged against him.
"Obama Won Because" why didn't you write, Obama won because I am the only one
that can see that he was lying? Sounds like sour grapes.The reality
you miss is that Obama won because he ran a superior campaign that focused on
issues and people rejected Karl Rove style attacks.Obama won because
people rejected paying $10 billion a month for a war in Iraq while we have a
financial crisis at home.Obama won because this country actually is
a centrist country, and Republican right wing theocratic ideals as embraced by
Sarah Palin were rejected.Obama won because conservative ideals of
an unregulated free market have failed.Obama won because people
decided to embrace knowledge rather than revel in Republican
anti-intelectualism.Obama won because he inspires people.Obama won because he did not vote for the failed policies of George Bush 90+%
of the time.And by the way, had McCain, the one that gave the
concession speech shown up to the debates and on the campaign trail there may
have been a different outcome. Instead he embraced the nasty rhetoric of the
divisive right wing of the Republican party. That is what America rejected.
He was the best choice this year!!! Let's hope the nation can come together and
support the new administration. Go America1!!
sour grapes, my Utah friends, sour grapes!
We are about to enter the darkest chapter in American history. No racist pun
To 'Obama won because ...' you might also consider the reason he won was because
the majority of Americans were sick and tired of the past eight years under the
rule of a buffoon masquerading as president. Thank goodness you now have someone
who can put a sensible sentence together and will think before he acts. America
can be great once more and not the laughing stock it became under Bush Junior.
Great credit to your country for voting in a black president. It says a lot
about the people as a whole. I hope he can deliver what he's promised. To
McCain, I think he's a good guy but was hampered by the Bush legacy. I'm sure
he'll continue to make a valuable contribution. As for Palin - (the person who
put the Alas into Alaska), what can I say? Romney would have been a more
sensible and timely choice with his business background. I guess the Americans
were ready for a black president but not a Mormon. Now that is quite sad. You
have still work to do.
Finally, the McBush nightmare is over!
Does anyone else feel like throwing up?
...his message of change resonates with a majority of Americans. It has been a
rough eight years under George Bush, and the country needs to head in a
drastically different direction, one that fosters (rather than tramples on) the
principles that make our country great. That is the promise of an Obama
administration, and I think the man can make it happen.The
fear-mongering that apparently still continues among Obama opponents never
ceases to amaze me. Give Obama a chance to share his vision and to try to put
this country back on course.
It's quite safe to say most Americans are not better than they were 8 years ago.
Obama will be a positive influence on the economy, foreign policy, and the
debacle in the Middle East. He may be tested by some, but will have a stronger
backing by others. It's time for a change and this is a great day in American
history. If it were not for progress we would still be living in caves.
More Americans Chose to vote for a leader who represents a new era of American
Prosperity and Leadership than Chose to listen to the insane rantings of the
bitter like that person up there ^
Hello. Obama won because he resonated with the most people who made it to the
polls.I didn't vote for him, but I hope the slogan all of us as
citizens get behind is "Yes We Can!" Doesn't matter who the president is if we
the people go back to our couches and tvs. If we want real change, if we want
laws that protect our freedoms and reflect our personal responsibility and
restore the Constitution, if we want to be better off with lower debt, disease,
and unrest, with increased savings, innovation, and jobs in the coming years WE
THE PEOPLE MUST GET OFF OUR BACKSIDES AND CREATE SOLUTIONS.Yes. We
Our problems are just beginning, sorry!
Eat your hearts out Utah.
to that last comment your post reminds us (americans) that a landslide victory
is not because people actually came together and wanted to change their country
and that the fact that we could all strive for a common purpose and actually
make this happen and overcome hardships, INSTEAD you try to give a logical
reason a racially mixed man won the white house? (dispicable!) because blacks
got together and turned out in record numbers? because OBAMA is just so popular
with young voters? and you assert that people voted for obama so that they
wouldnt seem racist? your ignorance amazes me! I cannot believe you would try to
speak for those and claim that people who voted for obama are "zombie-like" that
we did it as part of a fad? and that we dont know anybetter to who this man is?
you dont speak for me nor many of the americans that voted this year. Our dreams
are alive and just as strong as ever and its about time we all got together an
stop clinging to negative excuses such as yours.
He inspires hope- campaigned on hope- Mccain played on peoples fear- that's the
CHANGE we wanted!
I was touched by the speeches of both McCain and Obama. McCain was so gracious
and rose above party politics. As a teacher educator who cares about social
justice issues in K-12 schools, I am thrilled by the grace,
intelligence, and kindness of Obama's speech. He has demonstrated the beacon of
hope so important for immigrant children. I love the image for the world to see
of a strong, loving Black family in the White House. I appreciate
"Happy's" post....willing to look ahead rather than continue anger and cultural
wars. Thank you for beginning the healing.
yeah, I love socialism, I don't have to work now, Obama now will take from the
hard working rich people and give to the poor. why work because now uncle Bill G
will be helping me.
How did Obama win?Good grief!, how could he NOT win with the
country's entire mainstream liberal media sleeping with him long before he
became the Dem's nominee?Can ANYONE honestly tell me that the
media's coverage of this Presidential race was NOT heavily slanted towards
Obama?Scott Card hit the nail on the head....
He has likely signed the death certificate for our country as we know it simply
because of his haste to be the first in history to do this thing which so manyu
have wanted. The U.S. is the first nation in history to completely outlaw
slavery, although it didnt happen in northern states for some years after the
Civil War, followed by giving full citizen rights and voting rights as well as
the right to even run for office. We have provided the path for change and no,
it wasn't all made possible by one man but a lot of decent and well meaning
people along the way who were not blacks at all. He and his wife are America
haters and will be good allies to those who attacked us on 9/11 and he has even
said he will meet unconditionally with these people, some of whom do things like
behead journalists to simply make a statement or get publicity. The president of
Iran is one of the hostage takers that held our fellow Americans captive in the
70's. Obama wishes to sit down for a tea with him. when Joe the plumber made him
show his immaturityonTV, weshouldhavetakennote.
1 - First and foremost, foolishness on the part of many voters, whites, blacks,
etc alike, who still do not have any clue as to what this guy stands for.
"Change!" they shout zombie-like, but you have no idea as to how that change
will come about or, more importantly, what the consequences of those changes
will be. The biggest negative consequences will be Americans dying while they
wait for socialized medical help to arrive, just like occurs in Canada. And,
just as bad, if not worse, will be the death of initiative, desire, dreams and
effort from those who sit on their couches and wait for their government checks
to arrive. What a colossal waste of talent and personal growth.2 -
Guilt. Guilt on the part of those who wanted to assauge their conscience for
past mis-deeds of all kinds, who got sucked into the Obama-mania hype the
liberal mainstream media relentlessly pushed, and voted for a black American to
show their willingess to restore past wrongs.3 - Racial pride from
black Americans. How many polls, interviews, etc have you observed in which
black Americans said they were overwhelmingly NOT going to vote for Obama?
I am a Republican who is pleased to see Obama's outreach to all americans to
solve the problems we face. I hope he lives up to his pledge and that my fellow
republicans can unite behind our new leader. It's time to put
differences behind us, bring our best ideas to the table, keep the pressure on
for what we believe is right to do, and work together.