BYU football: 'It just hurts' — Quest for perfection ends as TCU defense manhandles Cougars

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  • Anonymous
    Nov. 1, 2008 11:50 p.m.

    I will always think it's pathetic that UTE fans think it is a a good thing for BYU to lose games. Anytime that UTAH is having a good season you should want BYU to win as many games as possible until they meet head to head. I live in the OC and I would definitely say I want Utah and BYU to win because it represents my home state. When they meet head to head I want BYU to win unless Utah has a BCS chance. It is just the Utahn in me.

  • Turn off the lights
    Oct. 21, 2008 7:00 p.m.

    the parties over ..oooh uuhh you got too!

  • Quest for Perfection
    Oct. 21, 2008 8:41 a.m.

    ....ends in a Telestial Bowl bid.

  • what?
    Oct. 20, 2008 9:34 p.m.

    does anyone even read these comments down here?

  • and that's a wrap
    Oct. 20, 2008 6:55 p.m.

    oh BYU UUUUUUUUU, we're not your patsie anymore!!

  • Billiam T Wex
    Oct. 20, 2008 4:56 p.m.

    BYU is still my heart

  • Spiderman
    Oct. 20, 2008 3:23 p.m.

    Well, I find it funny how the coaches for BYU always say, the other teams are more athletic then us.... and then don't recruit more athletic footballers so they can be athletic also. BYU has created a habit of choking in big games and recruiting second rate players, and we shouldn't expect anything more. Winning is a habit, and so recruiting players from high schools with winning traditions is also a very important aspect to change the attitudes and habits of a team when striving for a season of perfection.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 20, 2008 2:55 p.m.

    End of the season standings:
    1. TCU 8-0 in conference
    2. BYU 7-1
    3. New Mexico 6-2
    4. Utah 5-3
    5. AF 4-4
    6. Colorado St. 3-5
    7. UNLV 2-6
    8. SDSU 1-7
    9. Wyoming 0-8
    BYU's quest for perfection postponed.
    Utah's quest for mediocrity fulfilled.

  • Face It
    Oct. 20, 2008 2:10 p.m.

    The season IS over. The quest for perfection was a failure, statistically and otherwise. BYU hasn't exuded perfection since the bye week, scores notwithstanding.
    Not a snowball's chance of getting a bcs birth
    with one loss in a conference like the MTN West.

  • geezer
    Oct. 20, 2008 7:02 a.m.

    Oh the pain. Gee, has anyone out there ever lost a battle in life? Maybe the Cougars and yours truly are the only ones to know the taste of defeat. The next few games will show what kind of character this BYU team has. Are they as good as the UCLA win? Probably not. Are they as bad as the TCU loss? Probably not. Lessons need to be learned. We're not athletic enough to just show up, which is what looked like happened against TCU. More respect needs to be given to opponents rather than just "taking care of ourselves." Take notice fair weather fans. I'll be in the stands Sat. for the UNLV game. I'll show up to support the Cougs. I'm curious to see what BYU team shows up. Many obitiuaries have been written on these posts. This
    Cougar team still has the potential to go 11-1.

  • And don't forget
    Oct. 18, 2008 8:18 p.m.

    about BYU's stellar performance against Utah State. Giving up 21 points to USU is not a top 10 team!!!!!

  • RE: By the way
    Oct. 18, 2008 8:10 p.m.

    When BYU has the national championships that USC, LSU, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Miami, and Florida has then you can talk. Like I've always said, BYU and Utah have good players but have medicore coaches in a poor conference. TCU in a good mid level team. You guys lost to them. BYU beat UW by 1 point. Oklahoma demolished them. When BYU can do that, then you can talk about being a good ranked team!!!!

  • RBC
    Oct. 18, 2008 7:06 p.m.

    As much as it pains me to cheer for the Utes, I hope they kick TCU good when they play in a few weeks. Then if the Cougars are still a one loss team when they travel to Salt Lake they could still earn a share of the MWC title. That said, I don't think anyone in the MWC is equal to TCU this year. And that includes the Utes.

  • wow
    Oct. 18, 2008 4:48 p.m.

    640+ Comments. Wow. That's ridiculous.

  • Dave
    Oct. 18, 2008 3:08 p.m.

    Cry me a river. BYU loses even when they win.

  • RE: PeteB.
    Oct. 18, 2008 12:59 p.m.

    BSU is not a BCS caliber team, and BSU didnn't beat Oregon soundly. They beat Oregon 37-32 and Oregon was down to their 5th string quarterback! If BSU was in the MTN West this year, they would be in the middle of the pack losing to TCU, BYU and UTah and COlorado State! and for your information we beat Washington not Washington State you football know-it-all, yeah BYU got spanked, and i don't know what they were doing between the new mexico game and the TCU game but hey,life goes on and the Cougs found their weaknesses and they will dom. the rest of the way.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 18, 2008 12:33 p.m.

    "Bob | 11:07 a.m. Oct. 18, 2008
    600 + comments! It would be interesting how many comments will be posted if CSU wins. You haters are very inspired."

    Lucky if it reaches 100.

    BYU reaches deep into the souls of all Utah fans. Maybe it's just the hate, but you are consumed by BYU, not Utah. Utah does not inspire them. All my buddy Ute fans aren't talking smack. They know whats ahead, and if BYU and TCU win out, Utah is tied for third.

    The article on the Utah game had 9 comments as of 8:15 last night.

    Nice job Utes to follow YOUR team.

    Give me a break.

    Oh, and all of you happy smurfs, if two non-automatic teams qualify for BCS, they get to choose who they want, not who is ranked higher. The smurfs are worse that Hawaii last year, and have no room to talk about who they beat.

  • never understood this concept
    Oct. 18, 2008 11:18 a.m.

    I have never understood the logic from all the other teams in the conference saying we need each other to represent and give us a pay day. Do you think Florida is excited in the year LSU plays in a BCS game or wins the title. No, they are kicking themselves for not doing it themselves. I have never been fond of the notion that we should root for the other teams in our conference. If they play an out of conference team then yes it can help the image of our league to some respects (i.e. everyone taking note of MWC 6, PAC10 1 this year). But BYU has never really needed to rely in the past on the likes of Utah, CSU, etc to be noticed nationally. And I would say that if that "notice" isn't respect then I don't know what is. So please don't tell me that I have to root for my team to lay down at the feet of a team you are assuming will also still be undefeated 11/22 for the good of the conference. No thanks! SEC, Big10, Big12, etc don't lay down for one another, nice try.

  • Bob
    Oct. 18, 2008 11:07 a.m.

    600 + comments! It would be interesting how many comments will be posted if CSU wins. You haters are very inspired.

  • buster.
    Oct. 18, 2008 10:33 a.m.

    Lesson Learned??? | 5:52 a.m. Oct. 18, 2008

    "THanks to TCU for humbling the proud.
    Lesson Learned? I don't think so. These are fundamentalist cougars we're talking about."

    Sorry folks, it one game.

    What is expected. We run out into the streets crying, mass suicides, fathers leave their families?

    To all 600 of you posting... it's just one game. The season is not over. The Utes did nothing but watch Thursday Night.

    If you win out, great season.
    If TCU and BYU win out, Utes are third again.

    So, we didn't learn the lesson Ute Fans wanted, that we should roll into a ball and cry?

    Come on.

    It's a game, it's a loss.

  • Importance of BYU game
    Oct. 18, 2008 10:04 a.m.

    TCU did have this "marked on their calendar" because BYU was to 2 time MWC champion,a nd the perception was that this game is for the MWC title. Why would they have targeted Utah? Because they won 3 years ago with a different coach? BYU was clearly the second best team TCU has played this year next to OU. Before you start crowing about how "bad" BYU is, maybe you should begin worrying about how "good" TCU is this year. This TCU team is better then the one that won the MWC several years back.

    The Utes have their 2 toughest games left. If they go 1-1 they will have a great season. I think it is more likely that they lose them both rather than win them both.

    The TCU "D" will bring the pain. This Patterson's best defense he has ever had (and that's saying a lot!)

  • BYU vs. Weber St.
    Oct. 18, 2008 9:58 a.m.

    Now that would be a game.
    Bring back Lavell so he can go head to head again with Ronnie Mac!

  • The Turning Point
    Oct. 18, 2008 9:52 a.m.

    The Cougars have been on the decline since their bye week the end of September. Even against a pathetic Utah State team, they only put up 34 points, and allowed 14!

    Since that break, they have averaged only about 21 points per game and allowed about 16 points per game (5 point average margin). Prior to that break they averaged 43 points per game and only allowed 11 points per game (32 point margin). Even if you exclude Northern Iowa, the pre-break averages are 44 pts scored, 9 pts allowed for a 35 point margin!

    Taken together, are we going to say that Washington, UCLA, and Wyoming are 30 points WORSE than Utah State, New Mexico, and TCU?

    No, Cougar inconsistency is back just as it was in the Crouton days, and as always, you can blame that on the Coaching! Lavell was a legend because he was consistent. As a young coach, Bronco lacks the personal discipline and consistency to return the Cougars to their glory days. He is a pretender. He pretends to be "like Lavell" (he even tries to scowl like Lavell), but he is not solid to the core. It is all an act.

  • Frog Fan
    Oct. 18, 2008 9:46 a.m.

    I think it's funny that the delusional Utes fans think they have the same speed on defense as TCU and they are so quick to bash BYU after the loss. BYU is a very good team with a quality quarterback who has a quick release. They moved the ball well at times, but always seemed to get in 3rd and long, which is death against the TCU pass rush.

    Yes, TCU will have to go on the road for a dreaded Thursday night game. However TCU is versatile enough to win the game with a smash mouth run game as well as through the air. Hopefully the Utes will come into the game with that BYU undefeated swagger. If they think they are going to run on TCU, they had better think again

    As for it being a shame that if TCU wins out, the MWC conference won't get a BCS bid, not so fast. If TCU can win out such that their only loss is to OU, how do they not make a BCS bowl? It will be interesting where we rank when the first poll comes out on Sunday.

  • To: WAC/MWC Breakdown
    Oct. 18, 2008 9:16 a.m.

    Do you really think the WAC is talked about more because they are better? How about the fact that most ESPN/CBS broadcasters are amazed to find out this year that BYU left the WAC 10 years ago. That whole conference is living off of what BYU, Utah, CSU, AF, Wyoming, New Mexico & San Diego State made of that conference before we left. How many times did Hawaii even come close to a conference championship when these teams were there?

    To us dumbing down our schedule would be playing 8 teams from the current WAC. Your conference is living off of the past accomplishments of peole that have moved on and has an easier shot at an undefeated season because there isn't parity in your weak league.

    I'm sure if you managed to marry some widow living in a mansion you'd think you were some how rich yourself or had arrived because you got to drive some fancy car around at someone else's expense.

    I like what was said previously...are you remembered more in history for being the 1st person to drive a car (or 2nd/3rd) or for being thoe that invented the car.

  • lsu
    Oct. 18, 2008 9:11 a.m.

    I guess this is what happens when you play with your own recruits, and not Crowton's!

  • a few corrections
    Oct. 18, 2008 9:00 a.m.

    BYU has played

    Northern Iowa (a FCS team - formerly known as D1AA), while you may choose to make fun of this it doesn't help demonstrate your intellectual standing when you refer to them as Northern Illinois which is a FBS team or D1A. Also on point N.Iowa was ranked #1 for a good part of the year in FCS polls last year and is highly ranked this year as well. They finished last year #4. Now ask yourself was Webber state even ranked in FCS?

    Next note, if you are knocking BYU on their weak schedule don't reference us playing a cream puff like Weber State-which was on Utah's schedule; not BYU's.

    Next we played the University of Washington this year and not Washington State. While neither team is having a stellar year it doesn't help your point here either if you are to ignorant of the NCAA landscape to know the difference.

    Next it doesn't help your cause if you quote a "weak" mutual opponent (UtahSt).

    Most knew that BYU was playing their toughest opponent of the year last night. Hear me now and believe me later...Utah still has their two toughest opponents yet to come.

  • Just Me
    Oct. 18, 2008 8:40 a.m.


  • RE:Are you kiddin' me? | 8:32 pm
    Oct. 18, 2008 8:26 a.m.

    Ha Ha Ha, we'll see. The BCS darling Boise State Broncos dazzled a national crowd AGAIN on the blue turf last night on a real TV station! So while you Utes are busy playing tough teams on your highly regarded Mountain Network, the Broncos are well on their way to leap frogging you in the BCS standings. Come back and tell us how good you are after you beat TCU and BYU. We have 1 or 2 marginal "WAC" games left to an undefeated season. And go ahead and cry about our "trick" plays that beat Oklahoma (even though we outplayed them the entire game) as several other NCAA teams now have followed our lead and do THE EXACT SAME THING!!!

    And, come back and tell us how good you are after your QB gets on the cover of NCAA 08.

    I'm just sayin, come back and tell us how good you are after all the dust settles and Boise is on the map...AGAIN!!!

  • Kalamazoo Cougar
    Oct. 18, 2008 7:17 a.m.

    Re: Anonymous 11:35 pm 10/17/2008

    Please spare everyone your complete ignorance. If you read at all, you'd know TCU coach Patterson said they had this game marked on the calender since the beginning of this year. Everyone also knows how Utah starts preparing Nov. 23rd for the next years game. You guys can't even sellout your stadium until BYU comes knocking.

    Do you think TCU has the U game marked since January??? Nobody gets up to play the U because Utah doesn't have a tradition of winning. Just a tradition of choking. Nobody cares, except Wyoming.

    All Ute fans mocking right now would do well to swallow their tongues, because if TCU plays half as well as they did against BYU, Ute fans will be left to cry also. Home field won't help Utah. Even in sticky rice stadium, TCU will make your offense look like roadkill, while your defense will also be exposed as being what it always is: Overrated. Too much talk by Ute fans before they play TCU. Get a clue!!!

  • Lesson Learned???
    Oct. 18, 2008 5:52 a.m.

    THanks to TCU for humbling the proud. Look at the player comments. They bought into the hype just like investment banks bought into mortgage backed secruities and now look at the cougars, reeling just like the banks. We should all be more humble and not create unrealistic expectations for ourselves.

    Lesson Learned? I don't think so. These are fundamentalist cougars we're talking about.

    As for me, I'll be a realist and say BYU loses atleast one more to AF or to Utah.

    ANd by the way, I've been saying since last year that the coach is horrible. The team wins because of their individual talents, but not the collective force. I've been crying for his termination for some time, maybe this is the beginning of exposing him.

  • To BYU Fan
    Oct. 18, 2008 3:47 a.m.

    Typical cougar breath talk. Still out of touch with reality.

  • By the way
    Oct. 18, 2008 2:09 a.m.

    All those Ute fans who claim that BYU never was a Top 10 team have very short memories. Remember the early 1990s? BYU beating #1 Miami in 1990? I remember that game vividly, as it was the first football game I ever attended. How about 1984? How about the early 1980s, when BYU would consistantly crack the top 10?

    If Utah ever wins a national championship, we can talk.

  • weak
    Oct. 18, 2008 12:28 a.m.

    tcu will beat utah and it wont even matter in the end, tcu is the best team in the mwc.

  • Noel
    Oct. 18, 2008 12:08 a.m.

    I am just glad this was not televised on ESPN. We have a shot at staying between being ranked 20-25 but if this reached masses of audiences (ESPN) we would be dropped from the polls completely. Lucky in this case we have this TV contract.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:38 p.m.

    I guess those losers at ESPN that Coug fans have been ripping all year long may know a lil more than Coug fan thought. Bring back Herbstreit!

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:35 p.m.

    Why does BYU fan think that everyone who plays them are acting like it's their superbowl? You are not a national power! I'm sure a lot of people agree. If you think that this BYU game was more important to the TCU players than the Oklahoma game was then you are crazy! Or taking a lot of the valume that you Cougs like!

  • Disgusted
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:22 p.m.

    The cougars are a much better team than they showed on Thursday night. They played awful in every aspect of the game, from defense to moving the ball on offense. In the locker room before my high school game today, a teammate of mine said, "Hey, we should go play BYU, anyone could beat them if they play like they did last night." To put it bluntly, I was disgusted in their performance, and I am shamed to call myself a cougar fan. Hopefully they can learn something from this and step it up in the next games. Everyone knows that they'll need to to beat anyone.

  • Guido
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:08 p.m.

    I have some prime Sam Boyd Stadium tickets for the Las Vegas Bowl posted on e-bay. Get the now while available. BYU rules.

  • BYU Fan
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:59 p.m.

    I was very dissapointed in the game. TCU is very good. I guarentee you the same thing will happen to UT. The Utes arent good, Michigan give me a break. They lost to Toledo. UTah is not good. TCU will kill UTah. The Utes suck, the BYU game against utah will not be close. BYU by 21.

  • Regardless
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:52 p.m.

    Regardless of the loss, Ute fans really don't have anything to gloat about. They still have to play both BYU and TCU, and haven't looked that sharp in their winning efforts. It never ceases to amaze me how the Ute are always ready to pounce on a BYU loss, because in their opinion, a BYU slip up elevates Utah over the Cougars. Time will tell. In the meantime save your comments on the newspaper articles written about the Utes! You really endear yourselves to anyone who may not be a Utah follower. Your glee and rejoicing will come to naught. Let's see if you can beat CSU tomorrow.

  • James
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:37 p.m.

    BSU 27 Hawaii 7.. BSU 7-0 what does that mean at this point well several millions of dollars in bowl payouts. Have fun in vegas again byu, if you lucky. More than likley you'll end up in New Mexico, what a joke this season turned out to be. Quest for perfection? Mission failed and know Bronco will be on a downward spiral from here.

  • Fatty
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:28 p.m.

    Tough loss for the Cougars. What I'd really like to know, though, is if the BYU players/coaches ran a lap around the field at the end of the game, as they are wont to do at opposing teams' stadiums.

  • Rather be...
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:18 p.m.

    I would MUCH rather be a Cougar Fan with a bad loss than be associated in any way with the Yewts.

    We have to deal with a humiliating loss. We will recover from this. But it doesn't change anything about my loyalty.

    Those crazed savages that hit the blog running with their vicious slobering rants... Well you will always be Yewts.

    I get to be a proud Cougar Fan... and ALWAYS WILL BE... Win or lose.

    Rather be 0-12 wearing blue than BCS bound in Red!


    Oct. 17, 2008 9:53 p.m.

    Agree that I'd rather have TCU expose us than Utah. Hopefully we get things together before the Utes.

    Georgia vs. Hawaii??? The Rainbow Warriors were laughing ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK.

    I don't know that we are the best non-BCS team. Utah, Boise St, TCU and, yes, even Ball St, could be in that argument. My beef is, "Why do we have to be?" The Pac 10, Big East and ACC have such marginal conferences this year, they rival ours and the WAC. Why do those conferences get to send so many teams to these BCS bowls when only one non-BCS team gets the glass slipper? Definitely, the MWC champ this year deserves to go, especially a one-loss BYU, TCU or Utah team...

  • CougFanRichNAZ
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:43 p.m.

    I didn't bother reading all 600 comments, but based on the few that I did...Ute nation is here in force.

    Very disappointed about last night. TCU was clearly the better team and played with alot of emotion.

    That being said...BYU deserved all the attention they received this year. Any team that plays undefeated in conference two years deserves the accolades.

    Ute fans I can tolerate being on here and talking smack...but Boise State trolls?? What a joke!

    Cougars will rebound and play well the rest of the year. Looking forward to exacting some revenge next year in Provo.


  • Kristen
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:16 p.m.

    Perfection is not over. Perfection involves every aspect of LDS live. A loss in football is nothing. We as LDS strive for perfection as it is the way. I think you all need to settle down. Football is not the way but Christ our Lord is and please remember that. Some of you are sad sad little people and just hate BYU because we are LDS. Grow up.

  • Curtis
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:03 p.m.

    Just a bump in the road. Go Cougs. We are the best non-BCS school out there hands down. We will be called to a BCS conference soon. I am amazed by all these haters but just as the LDS relegion, if there is all this hate well by gosh it must be true. Thank you all for stabilizing my support of the team. Go Cougs. You haters are very very sad and probably the same who right negatively on the LDS articles in the Dnews. Sad but I I'll take it as a sign of truth.

  • darin
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:54 p.m.

    every one neds to pipe down, wait till tcu comes to res. so long and farewell to the ladies of spain. utah is still overrated

  • UteFanAaron
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:48 p.m.

    I hear all of this garbage from my fellow Ute fans about how BYU didn't "uphold their end of the bargain", as if Utah has already won out. If you think that Utah is still the favorite to win the conference, then you are delusional. TCU is the new favorite. Like it or not, BYU has a pretty good team, and TCU dominated. Utah will have to play their best game of the year to win against TCU. I just hope that the Utes can win against CSU tomorrow, considering that CSU only lost to TCU by 6.

    I hoped to see an undefeated Utah team beat an undefeated BYU as well, but I couldn't keep myself from cheering every time TCU scored a touchdown or intercepted Hall. I just can't help myself. Go Utes!

    Oct. 17, 2008 8:33 p.m.

    To TCU for waking us up. Now we know what to work on. When we face the Utes next month and a Bowl competitor in two months we will now know the type of things to expect and be better prepared. A hard pill to swallow, but if we use it right, one worth swallowing and moving on to better things. Rise and Shout, Go Cougars.

  • Are you kiddin' me?
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:32 p.m.

    Who are all the MORON BSU fans on this site? Do you not understand you are just like BYU! Over-rated!! Played nobody but an over-hyped Pac-10 team with a 3rd string quarterback. TCU would beat you 45-3. Do you really think you are that awesome because you once beat a 7 and 5 Oklahoma team because you were successful on 34 out of 35 trick plays in one game? Get over yourselves Boise, you are the same animal and your time for this same humbling is near.

  • The S-Man
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:21 p.m.

    BYU should consider itself lucky. Everyone on the planet who actually knows something about football, knew they were over-ranked. At least they got embarassed on a Thursday night on the Versus. Otherwise, they would have gotten beat 63-13 by the likes of USC or Oklahoma on National TV with the whole country watching. As it stands now, only a few sorry saps who actually watch football on the Versus know that BYU is a PRETENDER and always has been a PRETENDER.
    Here's a suggestion BYU... Want to be a BCS caliber team? Then play other BCS caliber teams and beat them. Get the Northern Iowa Jr Boys Choir off your schedule and beat a top 25 team (when and if you ever play one).
    Real college football fans don't want to see another Georgia vs Hawaii fiasco. Everyone hates pretenders. Who are the idiots that had BYU ranked in the top 10 anyway? They should all be stripped of their voting privelage.
    Thank you TCU for sparing us from Georgia vs Hawaii take 2!!

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:18 p.m.

    RE: re:Re: BYU fan for 50 years | 5:57 p.m. Oct. 17, 2008
    "And, no, my world does not revolve around BYU, although yours obviously revolves around the Utes."

    Utah Utes football: Fairchild bringing back CSU glory days -- 9 Posts 8:15 PM

    This Board 594 comments.

    The Universe, BYU and Utah fans alike, all revolve around BYU Football.

    Deal with it.

  • Re: optimist
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:16 p.m.

    Agree with you in your ranking of football...behind god, education, family, etc

    But you show no class at all for saying TCU ranks football just under God.
    How do you know that? Is it just because TCU beats BYU?
    What happens when BYU whipped UCLA 55-0? Did anyone say BYU players on that Saturday ranked football second only to God?

    A loss is a loss. It's not that important. Leave religion out of this.

  • Buster
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:12 p.m.

    to:"RE: re:Re: BYU fan for 50 years | 5:57 p.m. Oct. 17, 2008
    And, no, my world does not revolve around BYU, although yours obviously revolves around the Utes."

    That's why I'm reading and posting about... BYU?

    Utah Ute logic at it's finest.

    I don't even know if anyone is posting on the Utah story, if there is one.

  • Keith
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:10 p.m.

    You embarrassed our conference BYU. Everything that was gained this year just went down the drain. Utah and TCU will need to continue to give us credibility but as far as you, you are done. I will be suprised if we remain in the top 25 after this one. I would have thought Bronco would have prepared the boys better and implemented a better game plan. This was wrong just wrong. We are better than that performance. I just can't believe what happened I thought we would be competing for a BCS championship, and now we will struggle to even make it to vegas.

  • BCS
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:09 p.m.

    B(yu=) C(hoke) S(pecialist)

  • re: Ute in Milwaukee
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:04 p.m.

    Actually, I think Boise State would win one out of the three games. I think Utah and TCU would beat them, but you never know. I'd like to think BYU could beat them, but I could see Boise State dropping them.

  • hopeful
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:03 p.m.

    BYU has a good football team but after the bye week they seemed to have lost their focus and fire. The road has been downhill since they played Utah State. I am hopeful they will regain their confidence, focus and fire. Go Cougs.

  • re: Realism
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:00 p.m.

    I'm sorry, but I consider myself a reasonable fan, and I claim that the MWC is the better conference than the PAC 10 (this year)! 6-1 says it all! We have three ranked teams, and they have two. There is nobody that looks real solid in the PAC 10.

  • Sje
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:53 p.m.

    BYU played as good as they could. They finally played a team with a winning record, and it showed. BYU never was BCS material, next year.....maybe. Utah fans should be pissed, we needed two undefeateds to play to help the BCS ranking of the winning team. Maybe play as a 3-4 team. Too Bad.

  • Tom
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:51 p.m.

    Go Cougs. We are poud of you win or lose. You are the pride of the conference. I can't wait till we move up to a BCS conference. I hear it is soon and all these negative commentors hear will really be whining. BYU leaves and the MWC will drop back to I-AA. I think you complaining is just jealousy. It's pretty sad but well I take it with a grin and the pride we have in provo. Perfection is ours and it goes far beyond the field; our faith is evidence of that and provides us guidence. Remember it is more than football, it is also about the LDS faith and I am proud of that. So in the end the quest for perfection is well, perfect.

  • Utah vs. BYU
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:49 p.m.

    Red vs. Blue, State vs. Church, Liberals vs Conservatives, Pro-Choice vs. Pro-Life, Socialism vs. Capitalism, Sinners vs. Saints, Beer vs. Sprite, and so forth...

    ...Now can you see why the rivalry exists? Football is the only way for anyone to legally live out their disdain and incivility toward each other.

    ...How else are we going to feel good about ourselves? I think that is why there will always be football...

  • Re: AdamTheUte
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:48 p.m.

    Adam, it is actually bad for Utah. Utah would've looked better beating a higher ranked BYU team. Hopefully BYU will claw their way up the rankings rather than losing hope and dropping more games. I want Utah beating a highly ranked BYU team. I also hope TCU climbs fast in the polls so that a win will make Utah look even better. Can't say that I'm not scared about both the TCU and BYU games. I'm less nervous about BYU and more nervous about TCU after this game. We have a great coach, so I expect we will be prepared. If our offense can play solid, we should prevail!

  • Ute troll
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:46 p.m.

    Anonymous | 7:37 p.m You will go down this weekend, to TCU and BYU.

  • Puleez!
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:45 p.m.

    To 'TCU Fan' @ and 'ColoSate RAMS!!!' Your just embarassing, you are one in the same and a BYU fan trying to be an imposter and bring credibilty and respect to your little BYU progress. Enough know you can go back and curl into you little ball and cry yourself bcak to sleep. The quest is gone, perfection is gone so just wave it bye bye just like the top 25 ranking.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:45 p.m.

    "re:Vegas Ute | 4:39 p.m. Oct. 17, 2008
    B C S

    B.oy the C.ougars are S..low......................."

    You have a third grader help you there, big Ute Alumni?

  • Rosie and the Utes
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:43 p.m.

    re:"Utah going to the Rose Bowl | 7:08 p.m."

    After that, I heard the Ute Football team is playing the combined Superbowl/NBA Finals/World Series champs and Ditka in a game of Dodgeball to see if the Ute football team is the greatest ever to honor a sports field with their presence. Move over Mays, Aaron, Ruth, Michael, Magic, Bird, Tiger, Namath, Staubach, Bradshaw, we are in the presence of UTE FANS...

    Don't look at them, you are not worthy!!!

    The Ute football team achieved all of this greatness at home, tucked in their little leprechaun linemen beds last night while TCU beat BYU. That's why Utah is so great!! The did all this while doing nothing. And their fans, nothing too.

    No longer "Go Utes", It's just "Be Utes"!!!!!!!

  • Amused from Alberta
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:41 p.m.

    Wow! I'm so thrilled to see that people have SO much free time on their hands to go and bash people endlessly over the Internet over a football game. 12 pages of comments, and I'm sure I'm going to be ridiculed for my comments too. Yes, I'm a Cougar fan and proud to admit it, but this folks, is simply overkill. You go and seriously make mountains out of molehills. Where the heck are the priorities in life??? Family, Church, work, etc...

    Here in Alberta, we have OUR rival sports teams too...Edmonton Oilers/Calgary Flames & Edmonton Eskimos/Caglary Stampeders... I've just come to accept that if you get too heated and too involved in a sporting contest, you're going to end up frustrated, upset, and it just invites the spirit of contention. The rivalries in Alberta may be slightly humorous because people take it too far, but in the end, it's just a waste of time. Maybe we all ought to think about what's really importatn before we overload Deseret News' server, eh?

    Oh, I'd like to see BYU win the Deseret Duel in November, but it's not the end of the earth if they do. All about perspective, people.

  • Mark in Peoria
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:41 p.m.

    All of us Ute fans have to be careful sending out all this hatred so fast. There is plenty of football to be played. CSU is starting to play well (they kept it close vs TCU), New Mexico causes the Utes problems and there's still TCU and BYU to be played. So....

    The fact is TCU clobbered BYU which makes the MWC look weak. Since the MWC is winless against the Big-12, and OU smashed TCU, after last night it would only appear now that the Big-12 would more likely have 4-5 teams that are better than our champion--even if they are an undefeated Utes team. Geez 32-7? Blowout. Not good for the conference overall, I say. Certainly not the 11/22 showdown.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:37 p.m.

    Laugh all you want Utah. You will go down this weekend, to TCU and BYU. That would put you 3rd in the conference. Maybe the Humanitarian Bowlif your lucky

    Oct. 17, 2008 7:36 p.m.

    Like Utah hates BYU. College football rivalry is GREAT!!! What a diversion from reality and the end of days. For everyone knows, we will play football until the very end. Our unified hatred will be our only source of sanity, in a world gone MAD !!!

  • re:Utah going to the Rose Bowl |
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:34 p.m.


    Yep, Undefeated Utes in the Rose Bowl.

    Cakewalk over TCU and BYU.

    Oh Oh, CSU tomorrow, though. Ute will finish 3rd in MWC, again.

  • TCU Fan
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:33 p.m.

    Also, for the record...

    BYU has beat the MWC undefeated for the last 2 years. It is way over the top to call them overrated just to fulfill a vendetta.

  • ColoState RAMS !!!
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:30 p.m.

    Rams Fan here: The Putes road to the BCS continues with us. One game at a time, just like BYU.

  • TCU Fan
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:29 p.m.

    Since when was the "Quest for Perfection" about having an undefeated season? It is a QUEST - to better themselves on and off the field. Isn't it about recognizing and trying to reach your potential? Even if they had an undefeated season and went to a BCS bowl game... would that be "Perfection"??? Probably not! Even losing to TCU does not destroy or end their quest. To do our best is always fair game. If we fall we don't just stay on the ground because we failed a goal... nope, we get back up and do it again. I'm a TCU fan and I even understand this.

  • Ute in Milwaukee
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:22 p.m.

    Pride came before the fall. Best to just be pleased to win games for the week and not talk too much about weeks in advance. And just to mention - Boise State would go 0-3 against Utah, BYU and TCU.

  • Utah going to the Rose Bowl
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:08 p.m.

    USC and Penn State will play in the NC leaving two holes to fill at the Rose Bowl, who's going to fill those holes?

    Undefeated Utah.

    Who knew this season was so Rosy for us?

    As for you Cougars, enjoy San Diego and the Poinsetta Bowl

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:07 p.m.

    re:"RE: re:Re: BYU fan for 50 years | 5:57 p.m. Oct. 17, 2008

    "And since you're singing your happy song about 2 seasons with one conference loss, I can only imagine how much yesterday's disaster is hurting you..."

    Yep, one loss, I'm dieing here. Please help.

    It's not like losing to UNLV, AFA, BYU, and tieing for third.

    I am not hurting.

    You kids just be up for CSU, New Mexico, TCU, and your best shot if you win out, a tie for first with BYU is we take you again.

    A loss to BYU and TCU, third place....AGAIN!

  • BYU
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:00 p.m.

    "This guy is Just mentioning that it's nice not to hear the BYU Jaber for a change...... And I have to agree."

    Jaber, Jaber, Jaber, Jaber, Jaber, Jaber, Jaber, Jaber, Jaber, Jaber, Jaber, Jaber, Jaber, Jaber, Jaber, Jaber, Jaber, Jaber, Jaber, Jaber, Jaber, Jaber, Jaber, Jaber.

    Lookie, didn't stop the jaber, and no one got hurt.

    Time to grow up there kids?

    Oct. 17, 2008 6:23 p.m.

    Don't feel to bad BYU. Losing to TCU isn't all that shameful. After all they recuit in Texas where they play real football.

  • not so ute's fan
    Oct. 17, 2008 6:22 p.m.

    HAHA c'mon utes fans..are you serious?!? you can't compare with TCU or BYU. BYU will lock you down!! but the cougs did disappoint.. it doesn't mean that the utes have a chance..haha

  • fully invested?
    Oct. 17, 2008 6:14 p.m.

    I don't think the Cougars were fully invested.

    Bronco is a disappointment.

    what the?

    Just a few short years ago BYU would have been elated to only have a 2 loss season. Come back to reality Cougar fans.

  • Nate
    Oct. 17, 2008 6:08 p.m.

    BYU you are very lucky you are already bowl eligible because it is a downward spiral from hear. The swami says 7-5 and the New Mexico Bowl if lucky. Truly an embarrasing performance against TCU.

  • Utes
    Oct. 17, 2008 6:04 p.m.

    Go Utes!!! Go Utes!!! Let's make the Cougs beat us on the last game and then all cry when BYU is still ranked higher

  • Ute Loss
    Oct. 17, 2008 5:59 p.m.

    Ute loss is coming soon. Two one loss teams from the MWC. Too bad

  • RE: re:Re: BYU fan for 50 years
    Oct. 17, 2008 5:57 p.m.

    It's all right, dude. Usually BYU fans start crowing about how superior their football teams have been until they get a friendly reminder (using head-to-head records) that they have not been the dominant program throughout the past 80 or 100 years or whatever. And, no, my world does not revolve around BYU, although yours obviously revolves around the Utes.

    And since you're singing your happy song about 2 seasons with one conference loss, I can only imagine how much yesterday's disaster is hurting you...

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 17, 2008 5:49 p.m.

    To:"Re Anonymous 4:07pm | 4:49 p.m. Oct. 17, 2008

    "This guy is Just mentioning that it's nice not to hear the BYU Jaber for a change...... And I have to agree."

    So, when do yu stop jabering?

    When do the Ute Fans stop Jabering"?

    Read the posts for the last 2 1/2 years.

    And this won't stop the jabering if you lose to both TCU and BYU, and take third in conference again.

    Makes you laugh, makes you cry, but most of all, makes you think...

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 17, 2008 5:46 p.m.

    "Spudman | 5:05 p.m. Oct. 17, 2008
    Now BSU can go BCS bowling again. If not the BCS, maybe they will get to smash the Utes again in the Las Vegas Bowl."

    Yep, but you still have to live in Boise.

  • Bracket Buster Bob
    Oct. 17, 2008 5:45 p.m.

    BYU if you get to the Las Vegas Bowl & happen to win, please do not destroy golf carts or other equipment this year, when you rush the field. UNLV will bill you for the damage this year.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 17, 2008 5:44 p.m.

    Re Anonymous 4:07pm | 4:49 p.m. Oct. 17, 2008
    "Did that guy say anything about Utah being better than BYU? Nope."

    Geeze, I think everybody has taken a shot at BYU, and Utah was not in Texas last night.

    "Since when did our lives revolve around BYU?......"

    It's been about the past forty years.

    "Was it when Dick Harmon became a newswriter?
    How about since the beggining of KSL sports?
    Or was it the constant comments from neighbors of BYUs superiority?"

    More like all three, the superiority starting with Sheide, Neilsen, Wilson, McMahon, Young, Detmer..."

    "We do not choose to follow BYU sports........"

    Tell yourself that over and over... and over but follow the postings week in and week out. 300 posts on a BYU story (5/1 Ute fans) to 50-75 Utah posts.

    "This guy is Just mentioning that it's nice not to hear the BYU Jaber for a change...... And I have to agree."
    Try listening to the Ute fans, read todays posts...

    "You my friend are a perfect example of a BYU fan. Take that how you wish, but I think the majority of the people on this board know what (i) mean."

    That, I will agree with

  • optimist
    Oct. 17, 2008 5:35 p.m.

    Our Cougars finally got the message after hearing it week after week for eight weeks.

    Football just isn't that important. After God, comes church, fireside chats, education, family, friends and maybe than we can consider that football might be inportant.

    The offensive live that allowed all of those sacks showed that football just wasn't a top priority.

    So did the guy that was once on the Heisman watch show how far

    How about the defense that allowed all of those touchdowns and first downs. They remembered what they have been told week after week for 8 weeks or so, football isn't that important.

    It just happens that TCU ranked football, under God but at the top of the list along with church family, friends, education.

    The difference between the two universities showed last night at TCU.

    I cry a bit for our Cougars and for our football fans that had such high hopes. We had all the weapons but we didn't read the manual on how to use them last night at TCU,.

  • Chad
    Oct. 17, 2008 5:29 p.m.

    "I wouldn't say it was lucky. We executed the play well. We should have had another one (TD). Obviously, if you do what's right on and off the field, I think the Lord steps in and plays a part in it. Magic happens." 1 loss is OK, BYU will keep living right and win out. Boise State and Utah will both lose a game or two, then BYU's 10-1 record will propel them into a BCS bowl. GO COUGS!!!

  • Duh
    Oct. 17, 2008 5:27 p.m.

    Isn't it funny how UTE fans call out BYU fans, call them arrogant, slap them in the face, calling them whiners, has anyone read the postings? Sounds like UTE fans are exactly identical, only difference is the religous preference between the two. BYU has one, Utah does not. I sure don't see any difference. Again, it will be fun blogging when Utah loses. I don't want to see it but, what goes around, comes around.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 17, 2008 5:19 p.m.

    re:"Davidutefan | 4:14 p.m. Oct. 17, 2008
    And you still need to make up for the 100+ years. The series goes back more than 2 years."

    Do you care if we just sort of ask you to sort of just stop handing us games. the 500 posts here today are not talking about games played since the creation of man. They are mostly about last nights game.

    I amd just asking Utah fans to understand that the game was between BYU and TCU, not Utah by association, all of the Utah team was tucked away in bed here in Utah.

    Just... beat us this year.

    You couldn't for the last two. This is one conference game in 2 1/2 years, you did not overnight become the Leviathans of college football all comfy and tucked in.

  • Buster
    Oct. 17, 2008 5:13 p.m.

    Thanks for the concern.

    "Try getting a ticket to RES on 11/22."

    I have my tickets, but aren't you just the sweetheart. I have connections. I'll try to wave back up to you.

    I enjoyed the deaftening silence of RES. You remember, the last time BYU played there. I won't quote the name of the play. That has become pretty tired and worn out, but the sweet, sweet silence.

    Especially down front.

  • Chris Corwin
    Oct. 17, 2008 5:07 p.m.

    Thanks for the help BYU.

    The Boise State Broncos

  • Spudman
    Oct. 17, 2008 5:05 p.m.

    Now BSU can go BCS bowling again. If not the BCS, maybe they will get to smash the Utes again in the Las Vegas Bowl.

  • Realism
    Oct. 17, 2008 5:01 p.m.

    Why are we hearing from so many Boise State/WAC fans on this forum? ...leads me to believe we're dealing a Jan Brady complex. What gives?

    I dont care what your record is against BYU or Utah. Our schools are the Big Game on your schedule; your school is just another team on a more difficult schedule. Youve caught some of our worst teams sleepingthats it.

    Heres the clincher if you insist on embracing your deluded state: Do you actually think BYU, Utah or TCU (or any of the MWC teams for that matter) would accept an invitation to the WAC? On the other hand, how many times has your AD gone public, declaring that BS is interested in moving to the MWC?

    Here in the MWC, we know our place. Even though weve performed well against the PAC-10 this year, no reasonable, sane fan would claim we have a better conference.

    BS fans: Wake up. Grow up.

  • Re Anonymous 4:07pm
    Oct. 17, 2008 4:49 p.m.

    Did that guy say anything about Utah being better than BYU? Nope.

    Since when did our lives revolve around BYU?......
    Was it when Dick Harmon became a newswriter?
    How about since the beggining of KSL sports?
    Or was it the constant comments from neighbors of BYUs superiority?

    We do not choose to follow BYU sports........

    This guy is Just mentioning that it's nice not to hear the BYU Jaber for a change...... And I have to agree.

    You my friend are a perfect example of a BYU fan. Take that how you wish, but I think the majority of the people on this board know what i mean.

  • RE things to come
    Oct. 17, 2008 4:43 p.m.

    Did TCU just move to Ft. Worth? I thought they were already in the heart of the high school football Mecca. They have a good program but, I don't think anyone will mistake them for the Longhorns. Being in Texas has helped them win what? 1 conference championship?

  • Re: Will
    Oct. 17, 2008 4:43 p.m.

    I love unrestrained optimism, especially about my beloved BYU, but there is a greater chance that the pope will have a 100-foot statue of the angel Moroni erected in Vatican City than there is of a one-loss BYU team going to a BCS bowl this season.

  • Vegas Ute
    Oct. 17, 2008 4:39 p.m.

    B C S

    B.oy the C.ougars are S..low.......................

    Its all about matchups.

    One person's TCU is another teams UNLV.

    I love the Cougar lovers that try to paint everything in broad strokes.

    What a great year for college football. ONe day your up and next day you can be way down just look at Georgia.

    All I know this weekend is that Utah will romp on CSU (the timing and motivation are right). There is an excellent chance that MSU will beat OSU, TEXAS will beat MIZZ, The War Kittens have already lost, so Utah will be 7-9 in the first BCS poll. It will a fun time for them to prepare with a week off, for New Mexico, and the short week in front of the TCU game. The timing is perfect. And Whit always comes off a bye with improvement.

    The Truth:

    TCU @ Utah: Road Game, altitude, lack of hatred they feel for BYU. Also, short week to prepare after UNLV road game.
    Utah: Home game, 2 weeks prior to UNM to prepare, comming off a big road win (after bye), and possible 5-7 ranking. Utah should play lights out.

    Go Utes!!!!

  • Things to come
    Oct. 17, 2008 4:19 p.m.

    First of all, what a bad loss for the whole conference. TCU got rolled by Oklahoma in a similar fashion that the Frogs destroyed BYU. When the conference favorite gets crushed by a team that was blow out by the big boys it just makes all the early season hype of National Championships, BCS bowl games, and being able to hang look silly. I hope Utah doesn't run the table because they will end up looking as silly as Hawaii last year. They are not like the '04 team.

    Next is, this may be a foreshadowing of things to come. Look at any recruiting website and TCU is pulling close to a top 25 recruiting class. They are in the heart of the high school football Mecca of Texas. BYU and Utah had better be prepared because a conference championship is going to be more difficult in the future.

  • RE Iowa guy
    Oct. 17, 2008 4:17 p.m.

    I am disappointed that TDS and Utah will not match up undefeated however, if you're expecting me to cry in my beer because they lost, no can do. I still don't like them

  • Davidutefan
    Oct. 17, 2008 4:14 p.m.

    And you still need to make up for the 100+ years. The series goes back more than 2 years.

  • RE Buster not homer-a fan
    Oct. 17, 2008 4:12 p.m.

    That's funny. Apparantly, you don't remember how easy it was to get a ticket at LES when Crowton was coach. I had no problem getting a ticket even to the 3-0 snow bowl win by Utah. Try getting a ticket to RES on 11/22. Winning teams get bigger crowds (even in Provo). I haven't missed a Ute home game in 14 years. good teams or bad.

  • to really:
    Oct. 17, 2008 4:07 p.m.

    Was there at TCU too. The unsportsmanlike conduct directed to fans of BYU was sick. I did not here one BYU person respond back. Remember that most of us are alumni, older and married. It was terrible what was said to ordinary Texans who just happened to have gone to BYU and not a Texas school. Even at the BYU tailgate party, we had to endure college students parking as close as possible, even though the attendants had asked them not to. They pulled out their beer, cigars, and put on loud music right next to the table and chairs where families were sitting. The families ignored them respectfully but TCU students were rude, swore loudly and made a complete embarassment of their school. We were treated badly by TCU all night long at the food stands and in the walk areas. Taunting and swearing at BYU fans were heard by us as we left too.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 17, 2008 4:07 p.m.

    "Christmas in October? | 3:44 p.m. Oct. 17, 2008
    Last night was better than Christmas!!
    What better present can you ask for than to go to work, and hear nothing but silence?
    No Self Righteous "Quest for Perfection" talk.
    No talk of how Max Hall should be the front runner for the Heisman.
    No complaining of how BYU's #8 ranking should be higher.
    No talk of how "Great a guy Bronco is".
    No comparrisons of how much better BYU is than USC.

    Nothing but silence today.......... MERRY Christmas!"

    Another Ute fan whose life revolves around BYU Football. And the Utes haven't beat BYU in two years, and haven't beat them this year.

    Logic would dictate for Utah to be better than BYU, they would have to beat them.

    I would guess that is why the urgent need to get all of their "ya-yas" out today, because delusional trips only last about twenty-four hours.

  • Big Daddy
    Oct. 17, 2008 4:05 p.m.

    OK everyone...take it easy...Remember we've got church on Sunday!

  • Iowa Guy
    Oct. 17, 2008 4:02 p.m.

    I think it is so ridiculous how much of the energy in these comments go between BYU and Utah fans who flip unintelligent hate-speak back and forth to each other. You Mountain Westerners are so dumb. . . you ought to be LOVING watching each other win, except when you play each other.

    Utah should be so disappointed that they won't have the chance to play a top-5 ranked BYU team in November and BYU should be cheering on the Utes and hoping they don't lose to TCU (or others) until that big end-of-the-season game. Don't you two see? Only if the Utes beat the best defensive team in the country (TCU . . . well-deserved rank) does BYU stand a chance (a tough game for both, but each a chance) to beat Utah who will then be a top-10 team and vault themselves back up into discussion. And for the S.O.S., you better both hope that TCU and Air Force do well too.

    Cheer for the other teams as a CONFERENCE and be proud of an exceptional CONFERENCE you're becoming.

    Save the petty trash-talk for the week you two actually play each other.

  • Dave the utie and pals
    Oct. 17, 2008 3:56 p.m.

    re:"RE Davidutefan | 3:19 p.m. Oct. 17, 2008
    Thats the best comment I have ever seen on this board!!!
    Sums up why I and so many others root against BYU no matter what the situation."

    And as long as you root against a storied winning program, you will continue to wallow in self hate and self pity, except for that one game that comes around every 2-3 years that make the birds sing, and the sky blue.

    Otherwise you could just root for Utah. But, then you will most always be just disappointed most of the time.

    Just remember, last night was all TCU, not Utah.

    You kids still need to make up for the last two years.

  • Boise State Fan Here
    Oct. 17, 2008 3:51 p.m.

    Sorry Cougs. What's really funny is that Utah thinks they're going to win out with some of the pathetic play they've had thus far. You guys should be thankful you have King Louis. Without him your "quest" would have been done before now. What you probably haven't considered much, Ute fan, is that you have to beat both TCU and BYU in your "quest" and that will be a tall order.

    After you all get done beating each other (I'm hoping for Utah to beat TCU and BYU to beat Utah) you'll all be home watching my Broncos in the BCS!

    Course, what would be really funny is to see CSU take the Utes down this weekend.

  • Buster not Homer -- A Fan
    Oct. 17, 2008 3:47 p.m.

    "Re: Wow, Utes win it all | 11:24 a.m. Oct. 17, 2008
    You are a basic BYU 'HOMER' just admit that your team is mediocre at best and has no speed on either side of the ball. BYU will keep losing to teams that have a fast defense and can pass the ball halfway decent. BYU will lose 2 more games including Utah."

    Hey there Bro, why would I admit BYU is mediocre?

    They lost a conference game. And....?

    They have lost before, just this is the first time in the past 2 1/2 seasons. No reason to cry in the milk, or throw in the towell. Ute fans might lean toward that fair weather fan mentality, but BYU fan won't cut a run after one game.

    After TCU beats Utah, and BYU beats Utah, we'll be tied for first in MWC, and Utah will be in third.

    Why admit mediocrity? Mediocrity would be finishing third in conference. If we do that, I'll be backing you up there on-hundred percent.

    If Utah finished third, I would expect the same from U.

    Keep thumping your chest for something you have not done. BYU just doesn' have the U's loser mentality.

  • Christmas in October?
    Oct. 17, 2008 3:44 p.m.

    Last night was better than Christmas!!
    What better present can you ask for than to go to work, and hear nothing but silence?
    No Self Righteous "Quest for Perfection" talk.
    No talk of how Max Hall should be the front runner for the Heisman.
    No complaining of how BYU's #8 ranking should be higher.
    No talk of how "Great a guy Bronco is".
    No comparrisons of how much better BYU is than USC.

    Nothing but silence today.......... MERRY Christmas!

  • jamesg
    Oct. 17, 2008 3:43 p.m.

    BYU got exposed for the decent team with an extremely weak schedule that it is. I love the Cougars, but I need them to schedule nothing but crappy teams from now on so taht I can enjoy an undefeated season. The best thing to come form this may be that Austin Collie might shut his mouth. He's an awesome receiver, but his comments are some of the most annoying I've ever come across. BYU pride lost this one. It's funny that the COUGS were saying they deserved a BCS bowl--if they played OKLAHOMA they would have lost by 70.

  • broken-hearted byu fan
    Oct. 17, 2008 3:35 p.m.

    Good luck, Utes. I sincerely hope you go undefeated and get a BCS berth.

  • Non BCS win
    Oct. 17, 2008 3:26 p.m.

    Look at the teams that are consistently the upper echelon of the Non BCS teams: Boise St.,BYU,TCU,Utah. Of those teams, BYU lacks a real program defining win. BSU beat OU, TCU beat OU (on the road), Utah in the big house(none of the wins in 2004 carry the same recognition, bc the lousy Pitt team they played in the Fiesta). The last win that I can recall was beating Notre Dame on the road in 1994. Byu needs to improve scheduling. BYU has had a good run record wise over the last 3 years, but not one of their wins fits a program defining win. All of the teams in the MWC have been flawed over the last 3 years, good, but flawed. BYU was simply the better of the flawed the last 2 years. But the national polls this year were based more on record over the last 2 years than any real analysis of their wins to date, therefore the "paper tiger" charge is accurate.

    If anyone can name a win that fits this category, my memory isn't perfect, please post it here and we can discuss

    Jarid in Cedar

  • bleed blue
    Oct. 17, 2008 3:25 p.m.

    first of all ereyone losses and good things do come to an end tcu had a very good defense very fast that just shows you how the spread does against a fast defense not well but everyone losses every once in a while we will just see on november 22 i still think Byu is gonna take it.

  • RE Davidutefan
    Oct. 17, 2008 3:19 p.m.

    Thats the best comment I have ever seen on this board!!!
    Sums up why I and so many others root against BYU no matter what the situation.

  • Ute Fans
    Oct. 17, 2008 3:19 p.m.

    I am a fellow die hard, and as a die hard I have to warn Utah fans.
    The Utes look good but they could lose on any given day, so lets leave BCS out of this and focus on CSU, New Mexico, TCU, SDSU, and BYU.
    There are five games left and Utah needs to play well in all five in order to win.

    GO Utes!!!

  • t-shirt for sale
    Oct. 17, 2008 3:13 p.m.

    I have a bunch of these "quest for perfection" t-shirts for sale. They are fairly new (worn only 5 times) and the best part about them, they changed from blue to red last night. Get them while they are hot.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 17, 2008 3:11 p.m.

    If Utah wins the Mountain West this year then we'll give you some respect. BYU's chances have been severely hurt but it's not over. Mark my words... Utah will lose to TCU.

  • cougar fans are crazy
    Oct. 17, 2008 3:09 p.m.

    Are you serious? You people are really putting your program on the same level as USC or Oklahoma? That's insane. No way will BYU get in Top 12 with one loss. You honestly believe that before this game BYU was better than say Georgia because Georgia lost to Alabama? Thank God BYU. Maybe He does care about humanity afterall.

  • Re: Utah Obsession with BYU
    Oct. 17, 2008 3:06 p.m.

    Couldn't have been put better!

    You all thought 500+ posts on here was big...come check out the DesNews on 11/23 for 1000+ posts after Utah is again sent packing to the Poinsettia Bowl after losing to BYU in Lavell Edwards Stadium - North.

  • davidutefan
    Oct. 17, 2008 3:03 p.m.

    The headline should read, "Cougar Fans Finally Shut Up!"

  • Utah Fan
    Oct. 17, 2008 3:02 p.m.

    I have to admit that it was a treat to see "The Band of Brothers" look more like "The Band of Sisters" last night but there is no reason to rub it in their face anymore.
    They lost, we are happy, now lets move on and talk about Colorado State and the other tough games ahead.
    Utahs BCS bid is still alive..... Lets get behind them and focus on that.

  • BYU Cougar
    Oct. 17, 2008 2:49 p.m.

    That really was a disappointing game yesterday, but at least we lost to a very good team. From the quotes I saw before the game, the players were aware that this would not be an easy game, and were not counting on a win. Anyone who has participated in sports knows that you have bad days and good days. I think our football team has shown that we have been very good some days, but last night was definitely not one of those. BYU fans need to get back behind the team and support them the rest of the season, because I'm sure they are beating themselves up enough and know they have some work to do to finish strong. We won't be undefeated this season anymore, but that doesn't mean we have to bail ship and give up hopes on a successful season. Go Cougars!

  • re believe
    Oct. 17, 2008 2:48 p.m.

    what you said makes me want to hurt myself

  • What's the difference?
    Oct. 17, 2008 2:46 p.m.

    "this is awesome | 2:19 p.m. Oct. 17, 2008
    500+ comments on the loser cooogs. ha!"

    Win or lose, it's the same. When BYU wins, Ute fans flood the boards.

    And then you blame BYU, for thinking the Universe revolves around them.

    Well, the day you Ute fans quit orbiting BYU, maybe that will change. You are the ones that are doing all the posting for the last two and 1/2 years.

    When you start becoming Utah fans, and quit worrying about BYU, maybe that will change.

    Until then, your are planets caught in the revolution around the BYU Sun.

    It's your call.

  • rdha
    Oct. 17, 2008 2:46 p.m.

    BUMMER!! Ah, well. Every great team has to lose sometime. Happens to the very best of us. TCU, however, should live and sleep in fear 'till the next BYU/TCU game. Nightmares galore! BYU will massacre TCU hard next year at Edwards Stadium.

  • Pete
    Oct. 17, 2008 2:44 p.m.

    To you short sighted UTE Fans who love to gloat over this Y loss: the best shot YOUR "over rated team" team will have to cut into the BCS was contingent on the November game against THE two unbeaten MWC teams. Get over yourselves and quite trying to look and sound intelligent - it doesn't work with you.. GO RAMS!!!!!!

  • Utah Obsession with BYU
    Oct. 17, 2008 2:41 p.m.


    Just for fun, tell me that BYU is NOT the team that all utes are obsessed with.

    I agree, we were due for a loss. Three straight undefeated in conference is difficult. Why don't you little Utes try for two.

    There were no excuses in that game.

    Bronco is right, it was his fault, he's the coach. What did you guys want him to do? Blame the players.

    TCU is a good team, they deserve respect.

    If you get through the season with a win over TCU (you can dream), and without your usual flop against a lower tier MWC team (Last year, New Mexico, AFA), a loss to BYU will will create a three way tie.

    If you lose to TCU and BYU, you will once again be in third, where Utah has usually ended up.

    Keep your HAHAHAHAHAHAHA in your pockets until 11/22, whip out those tattered old sweatshirts urban told you to buy, and get ready for Sustained Silence... I was there in RES 2 years ago.

    chirp, chirp.

  • Ummmm.......YES!!!!!!!
    Oct. 17, 2008 2:36 p.m.

    Haha I am so glad BYU lost. All my brothers and sisters (and all other BYU fans) were in stunned silence. Man I am one happy man. :) I just hope Utah beats BYU so their faces will drop again in stunned silence. Then they can slowly think of another motto for next season. Like "The Quest For Perfection, This Time It's Gonna Happen." Then they will blame the refs and think of other stupid reasons for losing. I know not all BYU fans are like that but alot are. Maybe they will be glad to go to the Vegas Bowl. Who do they have on their schedule next year?

  • UTES RULE!!!
    Oct. 17, 2008 2:36 p.m.

    Now the QUEST FOR PERFECTION belongs to Utah. Maybe we will get to play on the National Stage?? Utah against Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl. Sounds good to me!!!

  • Easy there kid
    Oct. 17, 2008 2:35 p.m.

    To Believe:
    Dude you gotta be kidding me! I'm not a BYU by any means. But I am LDS. I think the fact that you're comparing BYU football to what The Prophet did and went through is a freaking joke. I take that as an insult quite personally. I'm at a loss for words, but you should be ashamed of yourself for that one

  • re:say what?
    Oct. 17, 2008 2:34 p.m.

    I actually don't remember who invented the car either... does anyone know that without looking it up?

    Neither Utah or BYU have looked like BCS busting teams this year, BYU just got exposed first. Until Ludwig gets a clue and Johnson learns to just check two receivers and then run instead of pitching a tent in the pocket Utah will need the defense and special teams and unbridled luck to help them win their games.

  • Cougtucky
    Oct. 17, 2008 2:33 p.m.

    I guess BYU now feels what Utah felt last year after getting smacked by UNLV...oh, wait...maybe not because TCU is actually a very good football team, unlike UNLV last year. Nevermind, I suppose BYU still doesn't know what Utah felt like last year.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 17, 2008 2:32 p.m.

    re:Enjoy | 2:08 p.m. Oct. 17, 2008
    the vegas bowl cougs!

    If Utah loses to BYU and TCU, pos. New Mexico, and I haven't caught the score on the CSU game yet, which no name bowl will Utah play in again.

    Outgaind offensively by Wyoming?

    Yep, you will do well against TCU and BYU.

    What will that do to your blue skies and chirping birds?

  • Cougtucky
    Oct. 17, 2008 2:29 p.m.

    TCU is completely underrated. They just underestimated OU. They should be ranked in the top ten next week, just ahead of USC.

  • Red Man
    Oct. 17, 2008 2:29 p.m.

    First Washington, then Utah State exposed BYU's very slow team speed. TCU is way more athletic than BYU and it showed big time. I said all along that the defensive secondary could not stop a good passer. Now, it is clear that the BYU passing game cannot compete with speed in the opposing teams secondary. BYU will be lucky to get past UNLV, let alone Utah. I guess the Utes will have to show their stuff to the Frogs, now that the Cougs are done. The curtain is closed on the big stage game in November 22. Now, that TCU got spanked by OU, the whole MWC is a joke.

  • Bronco, where were you?
    Oct. 17, 2008 2:28 p.m.

    BYU played like they have every other game. Only this time against a good team. In the glory days, BYU used short drops to their backs. Max Hall dropped back and waited to be tackled. HORRIBLE execution. They set the MWC back a decade. Their coach was totally outcoached.

  • Cougtucky
    Oct. 17, 2008 2:25 p.m.

    Perfection of the season is now unattainable, however, BYU can and will have a "perfect" record for the remainder of the season. Watch out Utes! Now that a BCS game is out of the picture for BYU, beating you for the MWC can be their new focus. Oh ya, you've got to cooperate by beating that monster of a team TCU, okay? Go Cougs!

  • this is awesome
    Oct. 17, 2008 2:19 p.m.

    500+ comments on the loser cooogs. ha!

  • Enjoy
    Oct. 17, 2008 2:08 p.m.

    the vegas bowl cougs!

  • dotyman
    Oct. 17, 2008 2:04 p.m.

    I'm thinking everyone on this board, including me, ought to get back to work!

  • Another day...
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:59 p.m.

    As a big coug fan, I'm still rooting for the cougs. They came out flat and TCU was ready to take it to 'em. They did and it showed. Maybe this is what we needed to get the cougs playing the way they did against UCLA and Wyoming. Now that we're "underdogs," the season still goes on, the sun will still come up, and they still have work to do. Good luck to Utah to win it out and we'll meet up at the end of the season. Now we can start another winning streak.

  • say what?
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:55 p.m.

    You think that BYU fans are the ones always bringning up 1984? I think that is actually the Utes bringing it up about how it is history and it doesn't matter. In the same posts you are often mentioning that we haven't made it to the BCS like you have (history?). Well remember the Bowl Alliance and BCS were invented (re-incarnated/modified) because they specifically wanted to keep BYU (and 1984) out and their monopolistic cronies in. So your one monumental event in football (history) is an accomplishment only because a system was created because of BYU (you're welcome). Last I checked Utah didn't cause the national championship to be created. And their national championship was not a singular fluke in one poll. All of these polls that year selected them as the NC (AP, CFRA, FWAA, NCF, NFF, UPI, USAT/CNN) and these computer rankings (BR, PS, SR). 3 other polls did select different teams by small margins.

    I've asked this before, who will be remembered through out history more; the person that invented the car or the first one to drive it?

    TCU dominated the trenches beyond belief last night! Learn from mistakes and progress Cougars, please!

  • Jared
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:47 p.m.

    Utah will now either lose to TCU or BYU at the end of the year for sure paving the way for Boise State to again claim the spot in the BCS. Looks good for the Broncos, that is for sure.

  • I Love TCU
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:46 p.m.

    The cloud of despair that now hangs over BYU fans who had their hearts set on perfection will just barely start to fade away in time for a demoralizing defeat at the hands of Utah in November.

    Cougar fans are already plotting a perfect rest-of-the-season and fantasizing that it will still be enough to squeak into a BCS bowl. So I'm curious, is the new team motto "The Quest for Near-Perfection" or "Nobody's Perfect We All Fall Short"

    Remember your emotions in '04 when you witnessed Utah in a BCS game and wondered why it couldn't be the Lord's school instead? Well here we go again...

  • well, tcu is good
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:45 p.m.

    a lot of people want to bash BYU for last nights game. I, being a ute fan, defintely agree that they did look piss poor at times... actually almost the entire game. Anyone that wants to argue hall is a top qb just got smacked in the face last night. And you guys said heisman... ha ha.
    On the other side, TCU looked really really really good. There was a lot of emotion and they played extremly well. I am glad utah does not have to go there this year.
    Two big games left for Utah (byu and tcu) both at home. however, nobody in this conference can be overlooked.
    an undefeated holy war would have been nice, but the words "i told you so" never felt so good to say.
    bye bye BYU

  • Re: Will
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:43 p.m.

    You should be a comedian with comments like those. Do you really think your Kewgs have a shot at the BCS? Why, because they looked so good and played a close game last night... I want whatever you are smoking. They were thoroughly dominated and outcoached on both sides of the ball!!

    The UTES have the speed to match up with TCU plus we play them at home. As for the Nov. 22nd match up after last night I'm not concerned at all.

    Enjoy watching the UTES play in yet another BCS bowl game.

  • Believe!
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:43 p.m.

    Come on faithless, Joseph Smith battled greater odds to bring forth the restoration of the gospel. I know we can win a national title. Keep the faith.

  • Re: Will 1:20pm
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:41 p.m.


    You're deluded enough to think byu can still go to a BCS bowl game?

    At least you byu fans are consistent...

  • RE: Ute Fans
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:40 p.m.

    Oh so with your logic BYU and Utah were supposed to play TCU at the same time? BYU fans never think anything through the just pray it will all work out.

  • Utah Man!!!!!!!!
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:40 p.m.

    Hmmmmm..... It's about time the nation sees that BYU doesn't even belong in the top 25. I've never seen a team play as terrible as BYU did last night. How EMBARRASSING! Not a chance will they even get to Vegas. Not a prayer... not even for your Collie.

  • Gary Qualls
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:38 p.m.

    Yeh I know, the nay sayers are having a field day today. Don't put a fork in the Cougars just yet, though. Before the season, I read the Cougs might still be able to get to a BCS Bowl with 1 loss due to the BCS trying to at least appear like they're being fair to mid-majors. The Cougs just ran into a team that had been licking their chops over this one for two years. Score one for TCU, but I'll bet after 10 years the Cougs will be leading the series. BTW, not all of us BYU fans are self righteous. There's good and bad in every segment of society.

  • CougarKeith
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:33 p.m.

    This was a sad thing to see, however keep talking Ute Fans, your turn is coming in a few weeks, TCU is going to let one loose on you too I am afraid, you don't even have an offense! BYU does and look what happened to them! TCU is for real!!!

    BYU can either lie down and quit, or get back to work, they have a very good team, and TCU showed who they were last night, we'll take your rotten eggs Utah fans, but redemption is nigh at hand my friendly foes! TCU will dismantle you, then the Holy War will be for the runner up of the Mountain West and who gets the next best Bowl bid!Neither of us will be playing on New Year's Day!

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:32 p.m.

    Rise and shout the cougars are
    OUT... of the BCS race!!!

  • Stenar
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:27 p.m.

    HA HA HA!!! :)

  • Will
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:20 p.m.


    BYU V Forida in the Sugar Bowl (Unless BYU can improve in coverage on that "out" route Florida will win by 7-10 points)

    TCU v Oregon in Las Vegas (should be a good matchup. I like TCU by 14)

    Utah V Navy in Poinsettia Bowl. (Utah has a good team and with Sakoda will beat them by a field goal)

    It'll be a great post season for the sate of Utah!

  • Will
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:13 p.m.

    I agree, a one loss team to the BCS has never been done. That is why it will be done by the originals of college football. The BYU COUGARS... Last time I heard "it has never been done before" was in the Fall of 1984 You might be too young to remember how that turned out.

    BYU is the most respected non BCS player out there. Like a USC, TEXAS or OKLAHOMA , BYU has a title and respect. That is why they'll still be in the top 20 after this weekends polls.

    I get it Ute fans, if we were Utah and lost 32-7 it would be over.BCS are you kidding? But we aren't Utah. Just like Nationally respected USC is already back five weeks after a loss. So Will the most Nationally respected non BCS team BYU. I hate to tell you this Ute fan. But without the ring, you don't have respect.
    Just try not to stumble and we'll see you on 11/22.
    We actually need you Utes. Think about it, without an undefeated utah to step over, BYU can't make it back.
    That thing you are feeling is called "conflict"

    Utes, enjoy the Poinsettia Bowl.

  • re cougar fan
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:02 p.m.

    how is byu a better team than tcu? they lost to them last night 32-7. i would say thats a pretty convincing win. you might have a debate if byu put up a fight but they didnt. and byu better than utah? well we'll just have to see. and personally i think utah matches up against tcu a little better than byu.

  • utah4life
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:00 p.m.

    max hall is one of the most over-rated qbs in the nation and last night exposed that...

  • Utah Fan Rooting For BYU
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:59 p.m.

    I am a Utah fan, that only roots against BYU when they play Utah. I have come close many times to being completely turned off by BYU players and some fans.

    When players or fans base their swagger on "it was meant to be" or we win because "we are spiritually superior" it rubs people wrong.

    Especially when they lose to Texas Christian University.

    Cougar football will rebound, but remember this is a game, not part of the gospel.

  • Ron
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:58 p.m.

    It is fortunate that time will not allow the reading of several hundred posts. It is unfortunate that there is such a void of character and class by those posting comments. The facts are obvious no doubt in terms of the convincing loss. Just the same, the mean-spirited comments are uncalled for. If those posting them feel justified by a lack of character and class shown in the past, then perhaps it would be appropriate to remember that two wrongs don't make a right.

  • Cougar Fan
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:54 p.m.

    If you think that game was bad. Wait till the Utah TCU game. Now that is going to be UGLY. Utah does not stand a chance against TCU's defence. Thats all there is to it. BYU is a far better team then they showed last night. I am not going to take away the fact that they got whooped last night but... They are still a better team than TCU and Utah.

  • Go Richard
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:49 p.m.

    yo :"Richard | 12:15 p.m. Oct. 17, 2008
    We have brains that work, and we do not get caught up in crazy emotions like BYU fans do."

    Red your Utah posts, baby, read the posts.

    "If you respect others, they will respect you. It is one unchanging law in this universe."

    Once again, Red your Utah posts, baby, read the posts. Hey, and don't stop here, go back two seasons and tell me that Utah deserves respect.

    As far as I know, Utah had absolutely NOTHING to do with that game. Wait until the end of the season. If Utah wins MWC conference, I will be the first to congratualate you.

    All I see is a team that was classless last year against Wyoming, classless against USU, and was out gained by Wyoming on conference. If you do better than third in conference, I will give you Huge props.

  • The Hailstorm
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:48 p.m.

    To: Well Hello Utah
    You have got to quit drinking that water seeping out of the old Geneva tailings ! Utah has had capacity sell out crowds of over 45 , ooo with a student body of half that. BYU has over 45,000 enrolled students yet LES was only about half full with the little bad weather we had along the Wasatch front last weekend. Don't write here with comments are nonsense-- leave that up to your Junior High son. It seems to be a homework assingment for 7th. Grade down there in Utah County.
    I had hoped for a better game out of BYU because I want positive exposure nationally for the State schools. More exposure that is positive can only mean that it will better for the overall recruiting. A concept that most comment posters forget.
    Go Utes !

  • chris
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:39 p.m.

    Give TCU the credit and I have always liked their coach----however, and I know hindsight is 20/20 but BYU should have ran the ball up the middle every single time!!!! True, we may still have lost, but it would have been closer. BYU is bigger than TCU, we should have run the ball up the middle and played physical. When we run it up the gut, Hall can't fumble or throw a pick. TCU was better and had more creative plays. For instant, when the TCU QB was on byu 25 yard line and faked left, turns 180 and lobs it into corner of endzone for TD, that is not a play I have ever seen before. As a cougar fan, I do think the Utes can beat TCU, because the UTES can run it up the middle every time and avoid turnovers. But if anyone tries to beat TCU on the margins, it is over, you can't afford to even try playing their game. I think this will be blessing in disguise though, I think BYU doesn't lose again.

  • Will
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:34 p.m.

    Not concerned at all...

    Just Like USC, Due to their national reputation, BYU will not drop to far in the polls. With a lower national reputation it is a luxury that TCU and Utah do not have. BYU is not out of the BCS. With 5 games left they will move up in the polls.

    On Sunday BYU will end up between 20-23 in the polls.

    1) BYU will win out until Utah. They'll be 10-1

    2) TCU played well tonight, but is not the same team on the road. Utah will beat them on 11/6 going away. TCU will be 10-2 to end the season. They will also drop behind the defending back to back MWC champs with the loss with.

    3) Boise State will not win out.

    4) That leaves the Utes @ 11-0 going into BYU week (with upsets)they'll be ranked between 5-8th in the polls.

    5)A nationally respected 10-1 BYU will be ranked between 12-16 in the polls.

    6) BYU will beat UTAH in their own stadium (yawn, again) Utah will drop behind the defending back to back MWC champs with their 3rd straight loss. BYU moves back into the BCS top 12 for good.

  • Yeah for BYU losing
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:34 p.m.

    I love all the lame Ute fans commenting on how BYU was so overrated and they KNEW they were going to lose. Of course they ignore the fact that they were wrong in making this same prediction for the last six games and this time they were really smart. Okay, so I predict Utah will lose every game by three touchdowns for the rest of the schools existence. Now every time they actually do lose by three touchdowns I can get on here and say how smart I am. What a joke. BYU played a terrible game on almost every front, but they're still going to end the regular season with one or two losses and, assuming they win the poinsetta bowl, they'll be primed for another run at the big money bowls next year. Here's hoping Utah or TCU can win out and sneak ahead of Boise State. Otherwise the inferior WAC will be rewarded again with another big money bowl.

  • Gary C. Rowton
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:17 p.m.

    Two quick questions:

    1. Austin, does this mean TCU is now 'chosen'? I'm curious.

    2. Do the cooogs fans still feel the previous WEAKEST schedule in the nation, according to the colley matrix is a farce? Finally play a real team and look what happens. Sad thing is, the '08 cooogs could beat the '84 cooogs.

  • C Coleman
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:15 p.m.

    Why does everyone keep saying Vegas bowl, the Vegas bowl is for the MWC Champion, so unless Utah Wins out and puts them in a BCS game, and some how the TCU loses a couple games the Vegas bowl will be Utah or TCU, BYU is going to be hoping to get the bowl

  • Richard
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:15 p.m.

    It is funny to see the BYU fans still talking trash.

    Utah is good, and might go undefeated, but we Utah fans for the most part have not been pounding our chest and crying for a National Championship.
    We have brains that work, and we do not get caught up in crazy emotions like BYU fans do.

    For us Utah fans, we are watching Football, nothing more and nothing less. We love to see our team win, but we do not go around pretending that God cares about how we play. We accept the fact that we are not all the same religion and we still like eachother.
    We do not try and explain a silly game using divine intervention. They are just students that play football.

    BYU fans deserve everything they are getting on this board.

    If you respect others, they will respect you. It is one unchanging law in this universe.

  • re: re: no fans
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:15 p.m.

    Don't be so stuck up.
    "Yeah we lost, but we're educated, and we're righteous, and blah, blah, blah."
    This is why people hate BYU - because of the obnoxious, self-righteous, holier-than-thou fans.
    I wanted BYU to win, but at least the fans will shut up a bit. Yeah you still have your championship from last century before most of the current team was alive, and I'm sure Collie and Harline are still open - though the pass will probably be picked or Hall will be sacked. But at least there will be some silence... hopefully.

  • Bob
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:14 p.m.

    It takes more courage to get out on the field rather than rattle off a bunch of negative comments. Did you think BYU would always win every game? Over the years, BYU has earned my respect.

  • steve nielsen
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:13 p.m.

    I'm a die-hard BYU fan but since they got their tails kicked big-time, it's time to shift gears. As I see it, Utah is in the drivers seat now. They have TCU and BYU at home. The most important thing now is to support the team that can get the Mountain West to a BCS bowl game. That's UTAH!!!! They are the CLASS
    of the Mountain West. GO UTES and coach Whittingham!!!!

  • Oh remember ute fans...
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:08 p.m.

    BYU has indeed had its turn with these horned frogs. Over-rated yes, please keep reminding us throughout the day. However, I remind the team up north. TCU is still on your schedule.....enjoy fellas!!!!!

    Prediction......Johnson has the same day Hall had throwing the football.

  • CougarFan
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:06 p.m.

    Congrats to TCU. After last night's game, they clearly deserve to be crowned "King of the Mountain" (at least for now)!

    BYU needs to regroup and refocus. They can still win out the rest of the season, and give those crowing Ute fans some crow to eat when they meet at the end of the season!

    GO COUGS!!!

  • TheHailstorm
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:00 p.m.

    Hey , Homer Simpson --
    Follow along here.. The Poisonetta bowl folks have extended an invite to Navy already. Wake up and get the smelling salts because if your going to post here get it right.

  • Utah v TCU
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:56 a.m.

    BYU came into last night's game giving up only 2 sacks. A very strong, veteran, solid offensive line was shredded by a fast, intense, overwhelming TCU. It is not smack but a serious question to ask how Utah's o-line is going to handle that? Utah's o-line is close to leading the nation (in a bad way) for number of sacks given up. How in the world is Johnson going to stay upright for more than a couple of plays in SLC? I'm not sure who I will be rooting for in that game but I have serious doubts that Utah's o-line can come close to stopping that rush.

    BYU fans - please stop talking smack about BSU. They have dominated us and the MWC so it just adds to our negative image when we can't manage even a bit of humility or perspective.

    last night reminded me of the Hawaii game Crowton's first year. We looked like a middle school team in comparison then and did again last night. I still haven't figured out why every couple of years or so BYU just get's hammered. Not just loses but hammered. Hawaii, CSU a few time on ESPN, etc

  • MWC Fan
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:55 a.m.

    The MWC clearly would be better served if one of their teams goes undefeated. Despite arguments to the contrary, a one-loss MWC or WAC team simply will not make it to a BCS bowl. Utah is now the only possibility but it's just not going to happen. The defeat of my poor cougs by the evil frogs was not a huge surprise but the complete domination was nothing less than shocking. The outcome of the BYU-Utah game is in question but TCU clearly will beat Utah (and probably badly on Utah's home turf). There is no way (let's see -- how to put this gently) the often mentally limited and easily rattled Brian Johnson can guide Utah's mediocre offense to score the points needed against TCU's killer defense. TCU goes to Vegas this year. No MWC teams will appear in a BCS bowl game.

    Also, like some others posting comments here, I think that it is possible that BYU and Utah could lose to some of the supposed "lesser" teams in the conference as well.

  • Greg
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:49 a.m.


  • Maybe Div II will take BYU?
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:48 a.m.

    Hey Coug's, maybe you can return to the national spot light in Div II football? Be the big fish in the tiny pond. I wonder how many BYU fans are still fully invested in Bronco - ball??

  • The 09 season
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:43 a.m.

    BYU football 2009 - Max Hall, Harvey Unga plus Tonga and Collie return. If BYU can get some size on defense they get both TCU and Utah at home plus a heck of a lot of motivation.

  • YtxPat
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:39 a.m.

    I was at both the UCLA game and TCU game last night. BYU looked as shocked as UCLA did when we went up so early on them. We just did not show up to play. This was not the same TCU that lost to OU and we were not the same team that beat UCLA. That is why we play the game. It did expose a great weekness in our passing defense.

    Utah will have trouble with TCU, but it will be at Rice Eccles.

    Cougars will bounce back.

  • Emerald Bowl
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:38 a.m.

    formally extends an invitation for BYU to play the 11th place team in the Big 12, Baylor. Congrats!

  • Expect more of the same on 11/22
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:33 a.m.

    Before TCU, BYUs opponents had 12 wins and 26 losses. The only opponent with a winning record was D1-AA Northern Iowa. In the Cougars first real test/game of the season, they were exposed, humiliated and dominated. TCU surgically dissected BYUs slooooow and lack-luster defense at will.

    BYU will always struggle with and forfeit any advantage that they might have offensively to teams with a lot of speed on defense. Utahs defense is just as good and fast as TCUs. Expect the same, if not a little more from Utah on 11/22 if they stay focused.

    However, they need to focus on CSU right now.

    Go Utes!!!

  • Go Cougs
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:32 a.m.

    Laugh now, Utes. I'm content with having the last laugh on Nov. 22. If I were you, I would worry about TCU, AND BYU. BYU always plays better as an underdog. Bring it on! Go Cougars!

  • waiting for someone to reply
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:28 a.m.

    really, - I am waiting for someone to tell me why ,at any game, children and respectful ticket holders should be verbally abused at a football game anywhere in this country. Why no comments. Why no outrage at the fact that this is only a sporting game. Why no outrage that little children ( and it needs to be noted TCU parents had children there as well) had to see, hear, and fear strangers in this matter. There is no excuse for the behavior of last night at TCU. NO not one excuse. This needs to be a wake up call to everyone that this should never happen at any football stadium and all of you Ute and BYU fans should be the first to take the lead and be respectful of the fans at the game on both sides. TCU won a football game but lost in the arena of decency.

  • re:no fans | 10:55 a.m.
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:26 a.m.

    BYU fans are not being negative, but being critical. We are educated, critical thinkers. We understand a loss was coming some day.

    We just knew it wouldn't be Utah, a team that was outgained by Wyoming.

    We see the big picture.

    One loss in conference in two and a half season is bearable.

    And, a BYU story dominated 5-1 by classless ute fans, nothing new. Pretty much an everyday thing.

    Utah will lose to the two best team in the MWC, and tie for third again. It's your place, you can do it.

  • Re: Wow, Utes win it all
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:24 a.m.

    You are a basic BYU 'HOMER' just admit that your team is mediocre at best and has no speed on either side of the ball. BYU will keep losing to teams that have a fast defense and can pass the ball halfway decent. BYU will lose 2 more games including Utah.

    I dont think you stird your cool aid all the way through!!!

  • Disappointed in Texas
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:24 a.m.

    How on earth am I supposed to show my face today amongst the people I work with - football fans or not, they are still Texan.

    Admitting that the piddliest of Texas college football teams just far outclassed my alma mater is right on par with having to lick a toilet seat, eat dirt, or remind everyone that yes-I-still-have-an-N'Sync-poster-in-my-room. The only worse thing could be living next door to a Utah fan.

    I'm so far beyond embarrassed that if someone offered me a steaming hot bowl of regular old humiliation, I would jump on it. I might even ask for seconds.

  • Utah fans
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:23 a.m.

    Ute fans everywhere are storming metaphoric fields. This is the best day of their miserable lives.

  • ***NEWS FLASH***
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:22 a.m.

    "Quest For Perfection" t-shirts being donated to the Deseret Industries... The D.I. will be coming to your door this weekend for pick up.

    HA HA HA!

  • USU Fan
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:22 a.m.

    As a USU fan that does not like the Y I was actually rooting for them last night becuase to have BYU and Utah undefeated come the November 22 showdown would have been great for the state and the Mt. West Conference. TCU defense looked great and so did their offense. Utah better be ready to play when they come to town.

    Just think of this: Utah Defense vs. TCU Offense...TCU Defense vs. Utah Offense...It will be a great matchup.

    If Utah is undefeated come November 22 everyone including BYU should be rooting for Utah to win that game so the Mt. West can get the big pay day and so the state can have some recognition that it plays good football.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:20 a.m.

    It's annoying that Mendenhall says the loss was due to his not preparing the team enough. He is taking too much credit for the team's success or lack thereof. These guys have other influences than just Mendenhall. The reason they didn't win was that they are not as good at football as the Horney Frogs. Long ago I felt that BYU was a timebomb waiting to happen--with both TCU and Utah respectively. It's easy to keep a 16 game winning streak going if you play the likes of Wyoming, Utah State, and New Mexico. BYU just got weaned from mother's milk and put on the hard stuff. It wasn't agreeable to their finicky little stomachs.

  • re:Brett
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:20 a.m.

    "One last note - You zoobs need to learn to lose with class. Don't make excuses, you got outplayed. Also, you have to expect your comeuppance after this loss."

    I'm sorry, out of all of these comments, I have not seen one excuse.

    I wish I could tell the Ute fans to win with class, but the Utes didn't play TCU last night, and the season isn't over.

    It is obvious that class is a word that is not in the U of U fan handbook though. So many classless posts because of a game that happened in Texas while the Utes were home and tucked in.

    Oct. 17, 2008 11:19 a.m.

    The CROWN JEWEL of the MWC has been EXPOSED.




  • National program?
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:19 a.m.

    To: :| 10:30 a.m.

    If by losing on the road to out of conference teams and choking in bowl games on a regular basis is what you meant by having a national program and associated reputation, then a majority of people would definitely agree that BYU has been quite successful in promoting these beliefs and itself.

    This years beat downs of UCLA and Washington were the exception and not the norm. Try not to blow it in the New Mexico Bowl or Armed Forces Bowl. Again, your national reputation in this area precedes itself.

  • True Blue through and through
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:17 a.m.

    Byu Punishes they are sooo good. this means nothing they will shake it off and come back to beat utah 37-13!

  • Fire Mendenhall
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:17 a.m.

    I think it's time that someone launch I hear USU's Brent Guy will be available next year.

  • Speed Killzzzz
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:16 a.m.

    Excellent game TCU. Talk about smash-mouth football. You took it to our Coogs! BYU was fighting for every yard they got tonight and it just seemed like we were a 1/2 second slow on every play. Recievers could not get open, Hall was constantly pressured all night.

    What happend to our dump-off pass routes? It didn't seem like they prepared for the pressure very well. Oh well, great job deserved that one for sure.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:16 a.m.

    The one team everyone is overlooking to bust the BCS (except me); I said Fresno St earlier this season.

    They beat Rutgers & barely lost to Wisconsin.

    Further, their philopsophy of playing anyone, anytime, anywhere is the anti-thesis of that school down south.

    The BCS selection committee should keep that in mind if they remain w/ only 1 loss.

  • re:Re: BYU fan for 50 years | 10
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:15 a.m.

    Sorry dude, I only went back one year. If that's selective memory, I guess I can live with that.
    It sounds like you are the one with selective memory, whose world revolves around BYU football.

    Actually two years is fine. During the last two and a half seasons, only one conference loss. Skies are blue, birds are singing...

    Not something Utah can say.

    Let the season play out, and we can forget about selective memory. I didn't see any Ute fans on the field last night. Any tie-in between Utah and the TCU-BYU game is delusional.

  • byu fair weather fans
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:15 a.m.

    You talk it up when you kill nothern iowa and New mexico, but when you play a team that doesn't compare to my sons pop warner team and get flattened, the chirping stops. Come on, stick with your team through thick and thin. I enjoy the BYU games, but I agree. The shirts and the stupid guys set yourselfs up for this one when you climbed pride knoll. Realize that football outside of the MWC is bigtime, and you need ATHLETES in order to win. Not just a missionary haircut and an eagle scout award.

  • perspective
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:14 a.m.

    Jazz did beat San Antonio by 30 in game three of the western conference finals in 2007, but got smoked in 5 games to the eventual champs, so yeah one game is just one game. Lets not say BYU will go winless the rest of the way or get blown out by the Utes.

    Oct. 17, 2008 11:10 a.m.

    Dont judge a team by one game. Utes remember your shut out last year against UNLV. Some nights teams just look horrible. BYU wasn't prepared and didn't make any adjustments last night, but it doesn't mean they arent a good(good not great) team, Florida lost to Ole Miss at home, USC to Oregon State; however, football is mental and when you lose your toughness in a game you get embarrassed. Cougs can still win the conference and beat the U.

  • Wow, Utes win it all.
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:07 a.m.

    If that were only the last game of the season.

    BYU has lost before and we fans end up OK.

    Utah is over rated. They will lose to TCU, BYU, and possibly their usually bad game to a weaker team in the middle third... (CSU comes to mind, maybe New Mexico.)

    If TCU slips up, BYU and TCU can end up tied for first, and Utah will end up third again.

    Enjoy the blue sky and the bird chirping.

    Oct. 17, 2008 11:06 a.m.

    I watched this game and wanted the Y to lose. I was truly impressed with TCU and their speed on defense, also, they were good at tackles that brought the Cougs down. TCU was a far superior team and this should give the U some excellent tapes to study of the Y and TCU.
    Any team can lose on any given day. The Y seems to have slacked off in some respects half way through the season, perhaps they thought they could just coast along because they have been reading their own press clippings and looking at their ranking.
    Go Utes.

  • Amazed
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:03 a.m.

    I have now read it all. BYU fans writing about the pride of other teams fans. Are you kidding me. I guess when your pride has turned into shear arrogance then you feel the need to say other people have to much pride.

  • Bob
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:00 a.m.

    This the most embarrassingly loss in my cougar football memory.

  • Big Picture
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:00 a.m.

    BYU got worked. Plain and simple. But comments about BYU being the most overrated, unprepared football team ever are out of wack. TCU showed that it is the better team. That's fine. College football polls aren't known for their accuracy. BYU controlled it's destiny this year and it failed. The Utes still control theirs. I doubt they'll go undefeated, but they can prove the doubters wrong. BYU can try and play spoiler now, but a lack of national respect is deserved for the time being.

  • Breaking News
    Oct. 17, 2008 11:00 a.m.

    The Phillippines just recieved 20,000 "BYU 2008 National Champions" t-shirts from the BYU athletic department.

  • If it worries you
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:59 a.m.

    to: "Wrong Number | 10:30 a.m. Oct. 17, 2008
    I love how Y fans believe anyone who doesn't like them must be a Ute. There are lots of non-Utes that are sick and tired of the self righteous Y fanatics who believe the universe revolves around them. Last nights serving of humble pie was sweet."

    I don't think the universe revolves around BYU football, but come on, all the posts, week in and week out from utah, and now BSU. If not the universe, Utah and BSU fans tend to have their Universe revolve around BYU.

    Read the posts.

    The world is brighter, the sky is more blue, the birds are singing.

    If you don't care, why do you care so much?

  • Ross
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:57 a.m.

    Too bad BYU drank the kool-aid, fell in love with themselves and did not maintain the intensity and focus needed to win. Teams have to ignore the media hype and adulation during a season and maintain intensity or they will loose when they could have won. Drinking the kool-aid is such a temptation and distraction from paying attention to fundamentals and maintaining intensity. TCU has been prepping for BYU since January, they had nothing to loose, it was up to BYU to be at their best to win, but the cool-aid makes you think you are too good to loose. BYU will have to just have to get themselves together, and begin new streaks starting with the next game.

  • no fans
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:55 a.m.

    where are all the loyal BYU Fans? Most of these are negative about the game and team when a week ago all you guys were talkin BCS run. YOu guys lay down on your team pretty quick. The worst fans

  • Oklahoma State = BYU
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:54 a.m.

    To Aaron/OK State fan:

    Enjoy your top 10 ranking while you can, because it will be short-lived after Texas, Oklahoma and probably Texas Tech hand you your heads. It will then be back to mediocrity and irrelevance for Oklahoma State. Unlike Mizzou, Texas and Oklahoma actually play and have a solid defense.

    OK State actually reminds BYU in that they have padded their record against nobodies with losing records, outside of Mizzou. OK State will have their BYU moment in two weeks against Texas. Enjoy.

  • Best Case Scenario Now
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:53 a.m.

    BYU goes 11-1, beats Utah by 21, takes second in the MWC to TCU, wins its bowl game and ends the season in the top 15 with literally everyone returning next season, Mendenhall comes up with a more humble battle cry next season (that has nothing to do with a BofM scripture).

    TCU gets a nice bump in the polls this weekend, wins out and squeezes into a BCS bowl game as the #12 team (after BSU loses to Fresno State) and wins.

    Utah loses to TCU and BYU, takes 3rd in the MWC, and starts over next season with a new QB.

    My Cougarfan reality - it truly will be tough if not impossible to have a team comprised of 95% white, LDS, Eagle Scout RMs and compete athletically with the top teams week in and week out. Great job representing the Church but we will NEVER measure up athletically to the top teams. At times our execution will prevail (UCLA) but at other times speed and athleticism will kill us (TCU).

  • Brett
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:51 a.m.

    Hey zoobs. How's that crow taste? Last week Collie got called for an offensive pass interference, now this week BYU gets SLAMMED. HA, what a wonderful world. My Utes are the ONLY UNDEFEATED team in the MWC!

    GO UTES! Show those coogs how to beat TCU.

    One last note - You zoobs need to learn to lose with class. Don't make excuses, you got outplayed. Also, you have to expect your comeuppance after this loss.

  • Let's Go to the Big Bowl!
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:50 a.m.

    So, let's take stock of the rest of the season. What do we play for? The Las Vegas Bowl? Wahoo!!!!! How does Craig Thompson still show his face anywhere in the mountain west? BYU can still have a great season, being one of three teams in the conference ranked in the top 25, but thanks to Craig's sweet negotiations, we get jack for a bowl. Conference USA gets the Liberty Bowl?! Oh Well, at least we get the chance to play UCLA again.

    Fire Thompson. Get a bowl. Get a TV Deal.

  • Offensive Questions
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:49 a.m.

    BYU's offense is what is overrated. They have not performed all year. Even the 59-0 win against UCLA, in which the BYU defense and Bruins turnovers made the score what it was. BYU has no depth on offense and definetly do depth in their play calling. Teams are locking them up because they do the same thing over and over. The play calling is terrible and Hall makes his mind up where he is going to throw before the ball is snapped. Oh, and somebody needs to teach chambers how to run the ball. He looked ridiculous returning kicks last night.

  • mad BYU fan
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:49 a.m.

    Something very obvious you can't teach speed.I'm a big fan but totaly embarrarssed with the effort and lack of preparation by the players and coaches. The only thing that kept other teams from exposing our weak secondary was the other QB's just missed the receivers, #4 is the best we got, WOW? what is the 10 -15 yard cushion on the receivers on 3rd and 8?

    It is unbelieveable that they wouldnt have been prepared for their speed and athletism, it is unacceptable in my eyes.

    Still a cougar fan but totally embarrassed.

  • Reply to go BSU
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:48 a.m.

    Move to Boise I don't know because you guys got smashed last year in Hawaii by ECU enough said, but sorry BSU!

  • Re: BYU fan for 50 years
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:48 a.m.

    "Ute fan, you should really know what that feels like, it wasn't that long ago you lost to BYU."

    BYU fan, you are the one who should really know what that feels like. You BYU fans always want to go back only to the 1980's. Let's go back a little further, if we're looking at the entire U of U/BYU series. There was a time in the 60's that the Utes held a 34 win 2 loss (and 4 ties) advantage over BYU. That has to be one of the most one-sided advantages in the history of modern sports. There was even a time when the the coach at BYU got carried off the field in celebration---even though the UTES STILL BEAT THEM 33-32!!! When we refer to records, just remember that your selective memory doesn't cut it. The only record that really matters concerning Utah/BYU is 52-33-4, a 19-win advantage for the Utes. Utah has owned BYU for a century.

  • TrueUteToo
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:42 a.m.

    I was hoping to see BYU beat TCU. TCU was ready BYU wasn't. I wanted the unbeaten matchup Nov 22nd, it would have been great for both programs. Utah's offense better find consistency or the painted on target that just shifted to the Utes won't even have dried yet before it is wiped away.
    TCU is for real (don't look past UNM either) and if Utah doesn't take note, the rabid Utah fans that can't see past BYU losing and heed the warning will be eating a hefty dish of crow followed by humble pie.

    UTAH!!!! Take note, heed the warning and WIN OUT!!!!

  • Tough Loss Cougs
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:42 a.m.

    1. Quest for Perfection T-Shirt $19.99
    2. Max Hall for Heisman Button $9.99
    3. Slice of HUMBLE PIE $3.99
    4. COUGS getting blasted by TCU PRICELESS

    Keep talkin' Cougs...Keep talkin'

  • Boise State Broncos
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:41 a.m.

    Neither BYU nor Utah want Boise State in their conference as recruiting competition in the Wasatch as BSU honors missionaries as well, Boise State holds winning records over both Utah something like (8-2) and BYU (2-0) many of the Utah wins were as an IAA. Boise State is an immediate top tier team in the MWC as is Fresno. Dont fool yourself Ute Guy! If any of you where to ask Kyle Whittingham or Bronco Mendenhall they would tell you the same thing. Boise state may not have the all the athletes of these schools, but they are a true team that plays within a system that wins. Make fun of the hokey blue turf or the silliness in the crowd then review the lifetime records and see if you can laugh then.

    Oct. 17, 2008 10:41 a.m.

    TCU Fan hit on the head. I realize this is a comment section regarding BYU, but WOW was TCU good. When I learned that TCU was joing the MWC I was thrilled as I knew they would bring credibility to a conference that needed it. I am a HUGE college football fan (I don't care for the BCS conferences at all though--I watch and keep track of the non-BCS schools as there is great football outside of where the media says it is). TCU has so much speed it is incredible to watch. TCU dominated every facet of the game last night. I don't think I have EVER seen a BYU team more rattled than last night. Unbelievable!

    I am a Utah fan, admittingly. I am nervous for TCU. They shut down a great BYU offense (Hall still nearly passed for 300 yards!). How can Utah expect to win against TCU with all of their inconsistencies? Now, there is talk that Mack is going to play less of a role? He CARRIED this team a year ago. Asiata is a North and South player and not capable of much else. If the offense does its job Andy Ludwig can stay.

  • Mike
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:39 a.m.

    As a Utah fan, I am not worried about TCU right now and I hope the team isn't either. The Utes still have to play Colorado State tomorrow. Let's keep our focus and deal with the teams that our directly ahead on our schedule. Go UTES.

  • A quest misunderstood
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:38 a.m.

    I just think the biggest problem is Bronco using a motto that is very misunderstood. It was a poor choice of words.

    He wasn't saying that BYU needed to have a perfect season. He was referring to individual players striving for perfection, and said so plainly on TV interviews.

    However, now BYU is going to be mocked ruthlessly for it.

  • Wrong Number
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:30 a.m.

    I love how Y fans believe anyone who doesn't like them must be a Ute. There are lots of non-Utes that are sick and tired of the self righteous Y fanatics who believe the universe revolves around them. Last nights serving of humble pie was sweet.

  • :
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:30 a.m.

    "zoobie | 9:40 a.m. Oct. 17, 2008
    Truly a most justified poke at the byu fans. 8 pages of comments and counting! I hope all you kewgs are reading this because you deserve it!!!"

    8 pages of Utes commenting on BYU...

    You think this is because of the loss? Utah has been posting like this for two years.

    BYU is the program in this State. They always get the most comments.

    BYU has the national program.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:29 a.m.

    Man, this just hurts. But what happens if utah beats tcu and byu beats utah? There would be a three way tie for the confrence championship.

  • Beautiful
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:28 a.m.

    I told myself i would stay away from these message boards but this is too perfect. From the loss Utah will be able to play 2 top 25 teams which will be huge if we end up winning out from a BCS stand point. As for the comment "If we couldnt beat them what makes you think that you can." The answer is simple, it is all about match-ups. Face it BYU cannot stop the spread this year. They have a huge problem with speed and mobile quarterbacks. Utah runs a very similar offense to TCU and our Deffense faces it everyday, they can stop the run very well and we have gread D-backs. Our offense has the edge with a better deep threat and stronger and better backs. Utah will edge out TCU and put the hammer down on BYU. Maybe if max hall trusted his other recievers he wouldnt be forcing it to collie or pitta on every play. The game is changed and now speed is the name of the game. BYU you have just proven what every UTE fan has been saying all year



  • TCU BCS legit
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:27 a.m.

    Most of these comments take a lot away from TCU. Give credit where it is due.

    This is the BEST defense in the country, kids. Utah is going to really have their hands full.

    The "over-rated" comment is an asinine thing to say. It insult by the fans to their own team. It was insulting to the Utah State players when their fans said it (in a losing effort), and it is disrespectful to TCU's powerful team if said in their impressive win over a good BYU team.

    TCU has a very legitimate BCS shot still. They will vault up in the polls with this win, and if their only loss is to Oklahoma at the end of the year, expect to see them on TV aver New Year's ...

  • Redemption
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:23 a.m.

    The Cougs will have a chance at redeeming themselves in Fort Worth in December when they return for the Bell Helicopter Armed Services Bowl. Then they'll show Ft Worth what they can do!

  • Stupid, Hackneyed Sports Phrases
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:23 a.m.

    "Win out"

  • BYU Fan
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:23 a.m.

    What a joke I have never seen such an unprepared football team. No heart no guts no passion for the game. Overrated was the proper chant at TCU last night. Enjoy the BCS party Utah, sorry we did'nt hold up our end .

  • Re: Deseret Industries
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:21 a.m.

    Ha ha ha... That is classic.

  • Best Scenario
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:21 a.m.

    Chin up BYU fans. Here is what we should hope for this year. TCU pounds a 12-13th ranked utah. BYU pounds utah. Ball state gets their butt kicked against some crappy MAC team. Boise State gets beat by some bottom of the barrell WAC team. TCU goes to a BCS bowl with just the one loss to OK, and BYU dominates some pitiful PAC 10 team at the Vegas bowl ending the season 11-1. Next year we return nearly all starters on defense and offense (minus a few starting O-liners). BYU dominates their non-conference schedule again. TCU will be rebuilding and we get them at home. Utah will have lost any starter that matters and we get them at home to give the pounding of their life. The rest of the MWC won't compete with us, and we bust the BCS. It's a long time to wait, but after last night, I can be patient again.

  • What it's really all about.
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:20 a.m.

    All I can say to you Ute supporters is "Watch Out". TCU is a difficult team.

    But BYU's mission is not about being perfect in football, or any other sport. BYU's mission is to "assist individuals in their quest for perfection and eternal life".

    Also, if you've been paying attention, Bronco is consistently talking about seeing the team prove what their character is like. As Spencer W. Kimball put it in 1978, BYU "has no justification for its existence unless it builds character."

    I think the majority of the Cougar team has a lot of character, and I'm still proud to call them "my team".

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:20 a.m.

    to:I Love Life!! | 8:28 a.m. Oct. 17, 2008
    "Maybe it's just me but today the sky seems more blue, the grass is more green, and the Mountains more Beautiful.
    Life and the quality there of took a big leap forward last night."

    I think it's great that you had such a great life that the outcome of the BYU game changes everything. Obsession can be treated.

    "I think they call it in the LDS Church....... "Pride comes before the fall"."

    Actually, that's preached in all churches of the world. You spend too much time obsessed with the LDS church and BYU.

  • Brandon
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:18 a.m.

    Utes, enjoy it while you can, you'll get beat by TCU as well.

  • me
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:18 a.m.

    byu was very overrated. I am glad tcu is in the conference to give more respect to our conference. they really out played byu and it shows that byu really isn't that good yet. too snobbish is byu. if they are this good then they should blow out the rest of them teams and have a great game at utah. if that doesn't happen then it does prove that they really aren't that good and the secondary proved that they can't play with the best. just not fast enough.

  • SD Ute Fan
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:17 a.m.

    Wow! I knew all along that hoping for 2 undefeated teams on 11/22 was a long shot. Kind of deflates the season.

    Here's hoping that the Utes are able to step it up, stay focused and win out. With what I saw last night, the Utes are going to have to bring all they have and then some. To say I'm not concerned would be less than honest. Go Utes!

  • To BYU Fans...
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:16 a.m.

    Your loss last night leave you collectively in a bit of a conundrum does it not...

    If Utah is able to remain undefeated (note IF), they will likely receive a BCS birth. As you know, the payout is somewhere around $15 Million. One million goes to each team in the conference and then the University of Utah will retain the balance.

    As in 2004, no doubt BYU will gladly accept $1 Million courtesy of the University of Utah. So here's the rooting AGAINST Utah really worth $1 Million to you? Come November 22nd (if Utah is still undefeated) ask yourselves if you want BYU to have an extra $1 Million and then choose your favorite team accordingly.

    Something to think about. Comments welcome!!

  • TBone
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:16 a.m.

    Now will you please just shut up!! Can I pick up a "Quest" tshirt for cheap anywhere?

  • Gus again
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:13 a.m.

    Great, here comes another Las Vegas Bowl, maybe.

    I'm sick of going to Vegas.

  • TCU Fan
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:13 a.m.

    I have only read comments of how bad BYU played, not much talk about the superior play of TCU. TCU's only loss this year has been to then number 2 Oklahoma, in Norman, at a point when OK knew a win would make them #1, and motivated by revenge toward the only team (TCU in 2005) that had beat them at home in 3 years. How is TCU's current ranking fair? Go Frogs, just continue to play "Horn Frog Football" and the rest will work itself out.

  • Judgement
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:12 a.m.

    Judging by the activities and atmosphere prevalent at most "FOOTBALL" schools, perhaps BYU is meant to remain a university known most for its clean, moral, and spiritual nature, rather than its charging, winning Cougars!? But, of course, it WOULD be nice to have BOTH!

  • UtahFan
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:11 a.m.

    I was pulling for the Y to win. TCU scares me right now. They showed they can bring it. BYU, a very good program, looked like swiss cheese. Utah better fix its offense pronto.

  • coug blue
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:09 a.m.

    How is it we didn't see this coming. We lost the last 3 quarters to USU 14 - 10 and it would have been 21 - 10 had they not called a questionable hold.

  • Are you Kidding me?
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:09 a.m.

    I can't believe "Consolation" went to the 1984 card. It's been 24 years since you didn't deserve that title. Washington was clearly the best team in the land that year. You beat a near 500 Michigan team and We beat an undefeated Oklahoma team. Oh..I'm Sorry...was I thinking out loud again? I guess I need to get over 1984 as well. If the Red Sox would have lost last night, I guarantee that Red Sox Fan would not be going around saying...At least they won last year, and that real Championship was only one year old. The pressure is now off the Cougars and squarely on the UTES! Let's hope they handle it better then byu,. sorry, I coundn't get myself to capitalize it.

  • BYU fan for 50 years
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:08 a.m.

    BYU has lost a game before.

    We survived.

    Ute fan, you should really know what that feels like, it wasn't that long ago you lost to BYU.

    Don't be getting all prideful on us now. First, the Utah team was at home last night, and did nothing. Stop pattin yourselves on the back.

    Take care of cSU rhis weekend for sure.

    You have New Mexico and TCU still to play before the BCS knocks.

  • gee
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:08 a.m.

    Wow, TCU came out with guns blazing last night. With the way they played last night, I think we would've lost even without the turnovers, although they did hurt and put us in a huge 1st half hole. Well, utes, there's your warning, these boys are wanting that MWC title bad this year. They made for darn sure we didn't have 3 undefeated conference championships. BYU's season isn't over though, anything can happen, we'll just have to wait and see. Hopefully they don't have a huge let down and play crappy the rest of the year because their undefeated season and win streak is gone.

  • to ute fans:
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:07 a.m.

    Stop laughing. You will lose to TCU too.

  • Huffin' somthing
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:05 a.m.

    That WAC/MWC Breakdown could only have been derived by someone who was clearly impaired! Yikes!

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:04 a.m.

    good morning cougar fans rise and shout

  • BYU Fan
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:03 a.m.

    How humbly the prideful fall! BYU should have seen this coming. All the easy wins must have got to their heads.

  • Sport Fan - and Cougar Fan
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:02 a.m.

    Get real Utah (the state) ... we have teams to be proud of - and times when they struggle. There are games I root for the U, and games I root for the Y. Smack talk happens all the time - you can call either team over rated - but lets hope all teams in our state improve and win, ultimately it helps us all. Lets send a team into the BCS every year from our conference and make that more important than hoping the other team loses just for spite. Being the best is about winning YOUR games... not hoping someone else loses.

  • re:Comment Board | 5:34 a.m. Oct
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:01 a.m.

    "Notice that the comment board has over 250 comments. The reason is due to the prideful cougars posting every day."

    Um, the reason is:

    #1. Ute fans are posting.
    #2. BYU always get more Ute fans posting on their boards because of the infatuation with BYU. This could be a story on Austin Collie's and Max Hall's cars, and Utah fans would out post BYU 5-1.
    #3. BYU is the most important cultural ICON in the Western United States. Love them or hate them, you are passionate. The program owns you. Same story about Utah? Utah is prideful, arrogant, and whiney, and would get 50-100 posts.

    Fact it, BYU owns you.

  • Cali Ute
    Oct. 17, 2008 10:00 a.m.

    I wanted not to be happy about this loss. I really did.

    Oh well I tried.

  • Finally
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:59 a.m.

    Finally BYU plays a decent team and we see the results. Why doesnt BYU go out and schedule with good teams like Utah has in the past few years. I guess Bronco is afraid of losing his chance of a national championship, oh wait they will never get there unless they schedule somebody difficult. The bottom of the Pac 10 is worse than the bottom of the Mountain West.

  • Let's make sure it is clear...
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:59 a.m.

    The Utah football program, it's coaches, or it's fans have never said they were going to be undefeated this year. They have said it is their goal to win the conference.

    The BYU football program put together that stupid "quest for perfection" campaign which included t-shirts (thank Mendenhall for raising expectations to unprecidented levels and then putting an unprepared team on the field). What are you guys going to do with all those t-shirts?

    Utah may well lose to TCU but know this, BYU COACHES AND FANS HAVE BEEN RUNNING THEIR MOUTHS FOR AT LEAST 9 MONTHS. If BYU fans want someone to blame for what is being written on this board, look first to your coach and next to yourselves.

    BYU FANS DO NOT FORGET THAT TCU WAS DESTROYED BY OKLAHOMA! Your football team simply is not very good!

  • Aaron
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:58 a.m.

    I have to say, as a neutral observer, I hope the Utes get their hearts broken too. I had hoped for both teams to be 11-0 on November 22, but now that's ruined and I am back to thinking BYU and Utah have the most obnoxious fans in the country, both delusional about their own greatness and standing in the college football world. Go Oklahoma State!

  • Undefeated
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:56 a.m.

    Ouch: "OK Utah fans. Before you start going off...Utah still has to play TCU and BYU and they haven't looked that sharp yet."

    You are 100% correct Utes have looked average at best YET we are undefeated. After we smack TCU around the Y is next.

    GO UTES!!

  • Duh
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:56 a.m.

    Yada yada yada.....smack it up. It will be funny when UTAH losses, then we can have our turn. If you win all your games, kudos but you won't. Keep dreaming your dream. And who cares if Utah won a BCS game, that is in the past. I guess we could just say in the same sentence, we got our championship which Utah will never see. Yada yada yada!

    Oct. 17, 2008 9:55 a.m.

    BYU fans, you need to stack up on speed, not beef! you guys are slow and unathletic, finally TCU exposes how silly this BCS hype is! bahahahahaha

  • Gus
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:55 a.m.

    While I still believe BYU is a top 25 team, this was their first real test this season and they failed miserably. I would attribute last nights loss to three things.

    1. BYU was a bit overrated
    2. BYU had a terrible night

    And most importantly,

    3. TCU is a great team.

  • Moracle
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:54 a.m.

    Members of our group, watching the game, kept asking:"Why has BYU abandoned being who they are -- a passing team -- to try rushing, especially against a team with a strong defense? Why doesn't Max Hall get further back from the line to throw? Why are BYU receivers so easily covered, and TCU receivers left in the wide open spaces, most of the time? Why do TCU receivers catch most of their passes, and BYU receivers drop most of theirs? Why does Max Hall throw such long passes to receivers barely across the line of scrimmage? Why is TCU getting through BYU linemen so easily? Why can't we hold on to the ball?"

    Why, why, why, Be WHY You?

  • utes are silly
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:54 a.m.

    yo:"church or ball | 12:55 a.m. Oct. 17, 2008
    You can't mix the two,get used to it coug guys will always loose"

    Hey is that why Texas Christisn University won, either church or ball. Way to be uninformed.

    I don't want my team to "loose". I guess education and the U don't mix.

  • Hold Heads High?
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:52 a.m.

    Hold Heads High for what? I am coug but seriously the only reason they should hold their heads hig his to keep from drowning in a sea of shame

  • Deseret Industries would like...
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:50 a.m.

    to thank Cougar nation for the thousands of Quest for Perfection shirts that have been donated over the past couple of hours. Your generosity is unparalleled, in that we have never received so many donations of one product. Extra staff has been called in to help.

    Unfortunately, they will probably have to be shipped overseas as we cant imagine anyone outside of Utah County actually wearing anything as ridiculous as this or the Fully Invested shirt in public.

    Maybe next years slogan should be Got Humility?

  • Suspicions Confirmed
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:49 a.m.

    Huge Cougar fan but I have to admit the public "Quest for Perfection" just didn't sit right from the very beginning. Yeah, we are a Church school and all the non-football stuff matters but how many regular Church members have suffered somehow from believing they have to be "perfect"? Words matter and I'm afraid Mendenhall chose poorly- again.

    Like most Cougar fans, I had a very uneasy feeling through the USU and NM games that something just wasn't right. I was afraid if we came out like that against TCU we would be beat soundly and that is exactly what happened. Still I was shocked at just how athletic and fast TCU was in comparison. They looked exactly like we did against UCLA - on an entirely different level.

    Also, BYU needs to stop acting like they have the monopoly on good, spiritual players. There are thousands of Mike Reeds out there that are just as dedicated to their religion and being good, moral kids. The Mendenhall-lead football team has been a reflection of the Church in general - a bit too self-righteous. I'm okay with a 10-2 BYU coming back loaded in 09 if Utah can make the BCS.

  • True Blue
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:49 a.m.

    What a sad game and loss. I can no longer hope for BYU and Utah to both be unbeaten up until 11/22. At least, now I can get back to what's natural...loving to hate the Utes and cheering for whomever they are playing - every week.

  • Tough Loss
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:42 a.m.

    Cougars fans,

    Tough game guys. Your school still has a great team and I expect they will bounce back. See you in November.....

    Ute Fan

  • re: no yakin utes
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:42 a.m.

    well we have a much better chance than you because we will actaully be prepared...i wonder what collie did wrong off the field last week???

  • zoobie
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:40 a.m.

    Truly a most justified poke at the byu fans. 8 pages of comments and counting! I hope all you kewgs are reading this because you deserve it!!!

    Thats what you get for recruiting missionaries!

    BYU is WAY overhyped/overrated!!

  • CougarKeith
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:39 a.m.

    I call it as I see it, and I saw this coming with the the performance in the last two games. Utah fans, keep it up, your turn at TCU is coming too, it's a Horned Frog Year my friends, pack up we and ye are going to the nut bowl, Poinsettia Bowl or Armed Forces Bowl, we won't even be going to the Las Vegas Bowl this year!

  • Still a great day to be a Cougar
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:39 a.m.

    I am assuming since there are 350 posts, there are a lot of Ute "fans" trolling around. Why is it still a great day to be a Cougar, you ask? Simple, we still suppport our team and will still go to the games. It dawned on me today that it really would suck to be a Ute "fan". Seriously. The second things go bad for the Utes, or they have a couple losses, goodbye "fans" and they are back to 120 people in the stands. In fact, that bandwagon empties so fast, you better get out of the way or you will get trampled on the way to the exit. Trust me, I have seen it time and time again for 30 years. So, while I actually think that Utah has a good football team, and I actually like a lot of their players, their "fans" remain PATHETIC. So, I will take my TCU beatdown like a man and as always, it is better to be a Cougar fan than a Ute "fan".

  • NC
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:37 a.m.

    TCU did to BYU last night what Oklahoma did to TCU a couple weeks ago...capitalize on turnovers and beat the opponent's secondary with superior QB/receiver play (that doesn't say much about the BYU secondary, I recognize that. They put Brady Quinn on the map a few years ago and could make any QB look all-world).

    Here's to TCU beating the Utes, finishing 11-1 and going to the BCS as the first 1-loss non-BCS school. They are easily the best non-BCS school in that scenario, no disrespect to Boise St.

    Ball St and Tulsa wouldn't get into the BCS over a 1-loss TCU, and after their win last night (especially if the Cougars get their heads back on and finish 6-2 or 7-1 in conference) and a win over the Utes, TCU should jump Boise St in both the polls and computers and the polls. TCU will be within 2-3 poll spots of Boise State next Monday, and have a much better remaining schedule.

    I'm all for cheering on the MWC for a BCS birth, as long as it isn't the Utes.

  • WAC/ MWC Breakdown
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:36 a.m.

    The MWC has some nice teams, but year in and year out the WAC is better.

    Look at the Breakdown for most years:

    #1: Boise/Utah: Both have won a BCS game, and both try to schedule up. Edge Boise: Boise is more consistant, and doesn't tend to have letdowns against bad teams.

    #2 Hawaii/BYU: Similir team. Both have offenses that put up huge numbers against bad teams, and can't do anything against good teams. Both try to schedule down to have a glossy record make them look better than they are. Edge Hawaii. They've made a BCS bowl.

    #3 Fresno/TCU: Both have good teams every few years, but nothing more. Edge: Fresno. Fresno's good years mean top 15, while TCU's good years mean top 25.

    Middle of the pack: Flip a coin.

    Bottom dwellers: Edge: Even. Even though USU and Idaho are worse than Wyoming SDS, it doesn't really matter. The point is that your good teams are never ever in danger of losing a game to your bottom dwellers. That makes the edge: even.

    Both are very similar conferences, but you would have to say that the WAC is better. That is why they are mentioned more nationally.

  • Utes loss
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:35 a.m.

    Utes loss is soon to follow

  • casual fan
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:35 a.m.

    Well, we all have our off days, I guess.

  • Rise and shout
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:32 a.m.

    The cougars have been knocked down several pegs & shut out.... of the BCS.

    Hypothetically; I can't wait to see the Kansas Jayhawks whip BYU in the Cotton Bowl.

    Though, would Bronco & co want to go back to the DFW area so soon?

  • to the kewg
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:30 a.m.

    that said something about the last three years bowls........bluebies were going 1 - 2 with the lone win last years miracle. the utes were elsewhere pounding miss. states top ranked defense, Ga techs unstopable offense including calvin johnson who walks on water and two other nfl running backs, and making a sleeper out of last years offering. funny how you won't go to the year before that...........other teams played in bolws those years too just because you didn't. and go back and count for yourself how many bowl wins that is in a row. i think it leads the nation. hmmmmmmmmmmm. i went and got my car washed this morning and the kid was wiping it down with a couple of those quest for prefection tees. hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. WHERE ARE YOU SCOOBIE ? rise and whisper

  • SEC
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:30 a.m.

    Funny how everyone thinks TCU has speed. You haven't seen speed until you play Florida. They make TCU look like 40 year old men running down the field. Real speed comes from real conferences. Not the MWC.

  • BYU=Rameumptom
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:27 a.m.

    BYU falls from the tower called Rameumptom.

    Go Bosie State

  • re: No Yakin Utes
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:27 a.m.

    What shot do we have. You dont realize that the U of U is a better team than b y boo, we will show you happy valley dwellers down south how to beat them when they come to RES. What a quest it was, lol, GO UTES!!!!!

  • Heisman
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:22 a.m.

    It's too bad Max Hall won't win the Heisman. Oh well, atleast they have a dork walker award winner.

  • majerussweater
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:21 a.m.

    Having "Quest for Perfection" as the theme of your season was a bad idea. Where do you go from here? Do you "quest" for the Vegas Bowl? I mean, seriously, what's left now?

  • Dr Phil
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:20 a.m.

    re: Golden Domer | 2:12 a.m. Oct. 17, 2008

    Actually, the Univ of Miami has won more titles than BYU as have LSU & the Univ of Florida.

    BYU's reputation? Give me a break.

    Notre Dame has a storied history but thats it. They are no longer worth of all the hype they get.

    Mark Mangino > Charlie Weis

  • huh
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:18 a.m.

    Was there a game last night? I must have missed it. Go Tampa Bay Rays!

  • Phil
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:16 a.m.

    What is this about TCU being such a great team. BYU did not show up, the coaches, the players, and all those players who volunteer at an elementary throwing balls. And therefore might not be eligible under some fine print NCAA rule, and BYU can't break any rules so you have to leave them off the plane. Because the assumption of guilt is always handing over you BRONCO.

  • Twinkie the kid
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:15 a.m.

    re: Eli | 10:45 p.m. Oct. 16, 2008

    >>People will always mock those who strive for the top and fail. OK, suppose BYU finishes the season 11-1 or 10-2. Some narrow minded souls will suggest this is somehow a poor showing, due to overblown expectations. BYU will end up with a record that is reflective of how good they are, nothing more, nothing less.

  • No Yakin' Utes
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:14 a.m.

    Don't yak 'til you play 'em... If even WE couldn't beat em, what shot do you really have?

  • RAC
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:13 a.m.

    Does NCAA keep stats for 'yards after catch'?? If so, I'm sure Pitta has ZERO. I don't remember a single pass his way that he doesn't intentionally slide to the ground to catch in front of a little 180 lb. cornerback. C'mon! that cost us at least 3 first downs that stopped drives that could have been touchdowns. STAY ON YOUR FEET WHEN YOU CATCH THE FOOTBALL!!!

  • dotyman
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:13 a.m.

    Unfortunately the same team that played Utah State and New Mexico showed up last night. Utah and UNLV are probably licking their chops...

    I hope the humiliation wakes up a team that hasn't played like a top 20 team in about a month.

    One week at a time. Go Cougs!

  • SoCalTrueBlue
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:12 a.m.

    BCS game? Gone. Shot at Heisman? Gone. Still my Cougs. Love them forever. I hope Utah beats TCU. It will make BYU's 1 point victory over Utah on Nov. 22 all the sweeter.

  • casey kasem
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:10 a.m.

    re: Don't worry Cougs | 10:21 p.m. Oct. 16, 2008

    What about the Bowling for Soup song? Or do you mean the Van Halen album?

  • Re: But
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:10 a.m.

    Yeah I guess the quest never ends, but how many times do you see highlights on Sports Center of BYU players doing service projects, or attending church? We are talking about FOOTBALL here, FOOTBALL. Going along with your rational there are a lot of players accross the country that want to live good lives off the field,not just better than thou BYU players. Get off your high horse and realize that there are other good people out there in college football.

  • The Pride Doctor
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:10 a.m.

    You know, PRIDE's a funny thing. Too much of it will wind up making you look FUNNY!

  • Reverend Lovejoy
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:08 a.m.

    re: Provo | 9:47 p.m. Oct. 16, 2008

    And Maybe Andrew Hatch who is LDS and plays @ LSU will have an Alma the Younger moment and transfer away from a inferior conference and school and come to Zion.

  • Dream matchup
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:08 a.m.

    for the 2009 Humanitarian Bowl:
    BYU vs BSU

    Anyone wants to make an early prediction for that game?
    BYU fans, what do you think?
    BSU fans, what are your thoughts?


  • Re:Quest, No Alarm, Hang ON, etc
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:06 a.m.

    A closer read of these comments will show that very few Ute fans are jumping up and down saying "we are the best" or "now we clearly have a shot at the championship game" or "we must be best because we have the longest win streak in the country", etc.

    Almost all of us Ute fans realize that we have at best a 25% chance of winning out. TCU, NM, and BYU will be very tough and hopefully no letdowns with CSU or SDSU. We probably have a 25% chance of losing two. We all know that. We hope and cheer for the best possible outcome but we don't pretend to be in the class of Texas, et al.

    We are, however, reveling a bit that the BYU bloggers (many too shallow to post today) have had their bubble burst. B Y Hubris takes the day off.

    Finally, it's funny how the "Quest" thing is now being dumbed down by some. If it truly is only a life philosophy, then obviously sales of Quest t-shirts will continue (maybe even increase!) and this theme will be prominently used by the BYU football program for many seasons to come... right?

  • Same Old Problem
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:03 a.m.

    Cougar fans are forever looking for validation of lifestyle through the football team, and it's a hopeless quest. They can't and never will recruit the kind of players and coaches needed to win at the highest level. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

  • MISTER Ute Fan
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:02 a.m.

    hey kewgs. the bcs is calling and they want their "quest" back. seriously, that is the only thing i love about kewger fan. they get soooooo high and full of themselves that ANY setback makes you look like a donkey. now there are some of you talking about next year. you ARE more entertaining than your teams. REAP WHAT YOU SOW. P.S. I haven't heard from scoobie or some of you other fully invested band wagoners. i'm sure you'll show up on these boards as utah fans under another name : )

  • On Your Mind
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:01 a.m.

    I'm just going to say what real football fans have been saying for weeks, BYU is over rated. This is what happens when you play a winning football program and not low level opponents that are easy to blow out. BYU was exposed last night, no defense, weak offensive line, poor pass protection, no heart, poor quarterback decision making and most obvious of all lack of effort. I guess Austin wasn't living right this week or somebody lost their coin. What else could explain this loss right BYU fans? I guess the "quest for perfection" is now the quest for 11-1.

  • A Waste
    Oct. 17, 2008 9:00 a.m.

    I am not a BYU fan and I am very upset about this lost. College football is a joke. BYU will still have a great season and their reward may be a trip to Las Vegas? A joke. BYU is now out of the BCS discussion. TCU is too. MY BCS Busters are now down to the Utes, Boise St., maybe Ball St, and maybe Tulsa.

  • it is a funny thing
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:58 a.m.

    Funny was the word we said last night as we were sworn at, spit at, and had finger gesters given to us as we walked out of the TCU stadium last night as a family and with little children next to us. You see, we want Utah to beat TCU. And then, well, we want BYU to smash Utah. Oh, that makes it a three way Mountain West Tie. So, Utah fans, what will it be? Whom do you root for? Who do you want to win Utah or TCU? Hum, this is very funny.

  • Way To Go
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:58 a.m.

    BYCC way to go on national TV! Try scheduling some real teams so you are not so overrated and overhyped. Nice quest.

  • Danno
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:57 a.m.

    As a Utah fan I really enjoy it when BYU loses. And it's not because I hate BYU, it's more for the BYU fans. It just made me smile to come into work this morning and see their miserable faces, being quiet for a change. It was nice.

    Now I know Utah will be next and all that. I'm perfectly aware of that Utah can lose to anyone. But today I'm not going to worry about any of that. I'll just relish in BYU's demise, again not anything against BYU.

  • It's a "quest", Jeff ...
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:55 a.m.

    not a state of being. It doesn't end unless it's called off. How many times does that have to be explained?

  • Boise Coug
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:53 a.m.

    We were exposed. We struggled to beat a pathetic Washington St. UCLA and Wyoming are simply awful. For 3 out of 4 quarters Utah St. who could be the worst team in the country, handled us. New Mexico but for a few plays could have won that game. We just had no idea that we were not very good. Max struggles mightily outside of LES. Our linebackers can't make open field tackles and every athletic QB that we have faced just makes them look silly.
    Bronco is a classy guy. But if he is serious when he says his team was not ready - that is a problem. If you cannot be prepared for the biggest game you have played all year, then maybe it becomes time to re-evaluate your strategy.

  • NFL team against a high school
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:51 a.m.

    SWACK!!! The game was like watching an NFL team playing a college team. If TCU is this prepared for the Utes, it will be an ugly game for the Utes.

    TCU rocked!!!

  • Oh well
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:51 a.m.

    I didn't take the time to read all the comments above. I'll just let my imagination to that for me. I'm sure that while all the fans (including me) feel bad about the loss, can you imagine how the coaches and players feel? It's not the end of the world, all is not lost. At least I live in Texas Tech country and can watch the Red Raiders destroy Texas A & M this weekend.

  • At least I don't cheer for Utah
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:50 a.m.

    I don't know about you but when ute fans pile on after a loss, it only convinces me I AM CHEERING FOR THE RIGHT TEAM!

    Go COUGS!

  • Still a BYU fan!!!!
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:49 a.m.

    I won't even bother reading the comments, I know what they say and I'm sure that there a lot of "mature" Utes that are showing their true colors in mocking the Cougars for the loss. Bottom line, TCU outplayed BYU in EVERY aspect of the game. I give credit to them. They are the better team. Despite how hard it is, I will still cheer for utah to win out the remainder of the games and hope that BYU can pull it together quickly and win their remaining games.

    The real travesty is we could have 3 MWC teams with only 1 loss and the best they can do is the stupid Vegas Bowl

  • To Sanity
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:48 a.m.

    You still are not in reality are you? You just got creamed by a #24 team and you think you are better then them. Not just beat, but creamed!!

  • Poor Team Down South
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:48 a.m.

    As a UTE FAN: I have to admit that I expected more at of your blue team. I would've like to see an undefeated matchup in Nov. but that didn't happen. TCU dominated up front and that's where it went all down hill for your blue team. I know that that our UTES are going to take it one game at a time. Starting with Colorado State. Too bad your blue team couldn't do the same. Too much hype I guess. Well always remember, GO UTES!!!

  • Stickers
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:47 a.m.

    Do you think any of the BYU players received any of those cute little cougar stickers for their helmets last night?

  • BSU
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:47 a.m.

    I think it's funny that Boise State crept in on the conversation. But since it come up I must say that Boise State's win over Oklahoma was far more impressive than Utah's win over Pitt.

    The WAC is poised to make 3 in a row, which is really saying something considering how weak of a conference they are. Say what you will about schedules but Boise State has a higher quality win against Oregon than Utah has against Oregon State.

  • Max Hall should be on a mission
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:45 a.m.

    Instead of getting sacked 6 times! I'm wondering if he made a mistake this morning. He left his mission after a couple of months for this?!

    Did I mention, 6 sacks?!

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:44 a.m.

    tcu wins the conference....byu and utah both lose to tcu....

  • whipped
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:44 a.m.

    I could tell from the start the Cougs were in trouble. Guess they never read the papers about TCU focusing on this game for almost a year. They just never matched TCU intensity. Big D wins trumps big O every time. Better put a TCU helmet on your blocking dummies for next year boys.

  • Boise State Fan
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:42 a.m.

    Thank you TCU for helping out Boise State. Now we just need to have Utah lose sometime. Of course, Boise State needs to win all of their games too. It will be interesting to see how Utah and Boise State will rank when the first BCS poll comes out. I would really like to see two non bcs schools go to a BCS bowl game if they both are rated in the top 10. Even if they have to play against each other but that probably won't happen.

  • Sneaky Jimmy
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:42 a.m.

    BYU needs to re-think these motivational platitudes they print on their T-shirts. Its embarassing to get your butt whipped while on your "quest for perfection". Maybe GOD was really on the side of the Texas Christians and wanted his "saints" to get a dose of humility.

  • re:I bet 90%
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:39 a.m.

    Then... Then... Then... you are such a meathead.

  • kewgar
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:39 a.m.

    OVER-RATED!! If a #24 beats a team the loser team should be out of the top 25!! Case in point with the overated BYU team. EXTREMELY OVER-RATED!!

    I also noted that there are not too many cougar fans on here saying how awesome they are.

  • An Observer
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:38 a.m.

    Quest for Perfection? How about Quest for Perplexion.

  • bry
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:34 a.m.

    BYU fan can use your "Quest For Perfection" Tee shirt to wax my Red "Utah" truck.

  • rdha
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:34 a.m.

    BUMMER!!!! Ah, well. Happens even to the best of teams. TCU should live and sleep in fear up to the next game against BYU. Nightmares galore!

  • RE: BYU
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:34 a.m.

    Ha ha stupid cougar. Even if BYU does beat Utah, which is not likely after they were so thoroughly EXPOSED and DOMINATED last night, how will they win the Mountain West? That would leave both teams with one loss! You better start cheering for Utah to beat TCU November 6! It's your only chance!!! Ha ha enjoy rooting for us as your only chance at any redemption!!! I also don't see TCU slipping up against anyone else but Utah. Did you watch the game last night? They looked AWESOME.

  • Heads Up
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:32 a.m.

    Heads up team; The worst has passed; Live and learn; Drive on; Can't quick yet.

  • RE Quest for perfection
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:31 a.m.

    SOOOO Funny. Go Utes!

  • wjm
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:30 a.m.

    maybe they should rather go play some flag football. the womens soccer team can handle the rest of the season. go soccer!!!!!

  • True Blue
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:29 a.m.

    There is no question BYU is not the best team in the conference after taking the pounding they did...
    But the Puke fans out there need to understand how inconsistant the the Pukes offense has been this year, Brian Johnson is a turnover machine and the majority of the offense comes from two running backs and a kicker, TCU's defense will stop the big SLOW running backs and take the game in Salt Lake... Be prepared Puke fans to receive a beating by TCU.

  • I Love Life!!
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:28 a.m.

    Maybe it's just me but today the sky seems more blue, the grass is more green, and the Mountains more Beautiful.
    Life and the quality there of took a big leap forward last night.
    "The Quest for Perfection" ended and we no longer have to stand at attention as BYU pounds there chests claiming to be the best the in the Nation.
    I think they call it in the LDS Church....... "Pride comes before the fall".

  • goin to the UNLV game
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:28 a.m.

    Bronco needs to prepare his tropps a little better. And I will definately agree with others whove said that our team is slow. You've gotta have speed in the skill positions in this game, or you will lose big against sec, big 12, teams. Collie needs to unhitch the piano and light a fire under his legs. It was obvious that TCU players were much more athletic. BYU has a good system, but thats not enough. You've gotta have the players within the system who are athletic enough to blow the game wide open. Very dissapointing that Bronco couldn't get his team more amped up for this one.

  • Sanity
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:27 a.m.

    TCU was better last night. It will be good for the cougs. They will be back in the top 12 by the end of the season.
    Utah loses at New Mexico
    This was TCU's bowl game they will lose 1 more
    BYU will win out.... Collie is still open.... And
    Utah goes to the emerald bowl.
    As for the cougars. You rock!
    To my Utah friends..... You have to beat us before you can mouth off. Everything else is just being a bunch of chumps.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:26 a.m.

    B.Y. U. hasn't played anyone yet this whole year. Yes they can beat Weber State maybe on their home field??? But nobody in the top 25 away from blessed B.Y.U. Lets go to church and talk about it???

  • No Focus!
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:24 a.m.

    BYU did this to themselves. The team, their fans, their coaches, were too caught up with perfection, rankings, the BCS, and National recognition. The jury is still out on Utah, but you don't hear talk about these things coming from the Utah camp this season. BYU was looking too far ahead, but unfortunately, their head was in the clouds.

  • I told you so!
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:20 a.m.

    Now I'm really worried about Utah and TCU. TCU could have hung with Oklahoma last night. Where was this TCU team when they played in Norman? (Wow).

    It will be hard for the Utes to win out. The Frogs,Rams,and Lowblows really will have a chip on their shoulders. Great teams know haw to play smart and match their opponents intensity.

    Contrary to national opinion, our league is a tough one.

    Come on Utah! Don't let Boise state take your BCS bowl away from you.

    GO UTES!

  • Sammy
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:19 a.m.

    When BYU got worked by New Mexico that should've been a wake up call that things weren't clicking.

    But because a win is a win everybody stayed content in their la la land.

    The Utes have been lucky to win and stay undefeated but they are not as arrogant and prideful as the cougars.

    Hopefully the Utes can learn a good lesson from this and avoid the Pride Cycle.


  • TCU vs. Utah
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:17 a.m.

    To all those BYU fans predicting that Utah will lose to TCU in Salt Lake. All you need to do is look at the TCU vs. Colorado State game (13-7). TCU is not the same team on the road, and with the right preparations, they can be beat. Besides, going on the road during a "short week" makes the week shorter. Just ask BYU.

  • BYU
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:13 a.m.

    BYU has to play both TCU and UTAH on the road which is tough. Before UTAH starts with the smack talk, they should see they haven't played anyone yet. BYU still beats UTAH and wins the mountain west. TCU got all ready for this game and will slip up.

  • I'm SO Sorry Utah Fans!
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:12 a.m.

    I apologize Utah Fans! For the past few weeks I've taunted you and belittled your program, but today I must be a man and admit I was wrong. I was truly embarrassed by our performance at TCU and until/unless we beat you in Salt Lake City I will no longer be posting any negative comments about the Utes.

    It's never fun when your team loses, but part of being a sports fan is eating some crow when your team lets you down (I hope Utah wins the rest of their games so that we can try to beat them later in the year). Again, I'm SO sorry!

  • Not Surprised
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:12 a.m.

    You can't be all that surprised with this loss. BYU gave many signs of weakness all season long. It was bound to happen. It only took a team who knew how to exploit those weaknesses.

    I mentioned yesterday on DesNews that I thought both BYU and Utah would have one loss when they were to meet each other on Nov 22 and I predicted that BYU's loss would come to TCU. I foresee Utah beating TCU but losing a close one to a team they overlook.

    Utah will win the match this year to give BYU 2 losses for the season. But hey, at least no MWC team will be playing in a BCS game which is the way it should be because everyone knows that real football is played in the Big XII.

  • BYU fan in Texas
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:12 a.m.

    Welcome to Texas and Lone Star football. The Cougars embarrassed themselves on nearly every defensive play, and while the offense was sputtering, the special teams choked time and again. Sorry, sorry effort on the part of the cougar kitties.

  • Thanks a lot
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:10 a.m.

    Ute fan here and I was pulling for BYU last night, just so I could sell my Nov 22nd tickets for a premium. Thanks to the pathetic BYU performance last night, the value of my 2 Utah vs. BYU tickets has decreased faster than my 401K, which is really saying something.

  • Eat Crow cougies
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:10 a.m.

    Yesterday, "BCS Standings | 12:20 a.m. Oct. 16, 2008" wrote:

    I have heard a lot about Utah's amazingly great SOS and computer ratings etc. I have also heard how BYU doesn't even have a chance in Fort Worth. I haven't been able to make sense out of either of those argumentshow could BYU not have a chance? They have beaten TCU two years in a row

    [*the Utes beat you 4 yrs in a row from '02-'05, but that didn't help us in '06*].

    ...BYU is ranked higher [*BYU is overrated, and the higher ranking didn't help OK against TX last week*].

    ...The oddsmakers have them as the favorite [*Nobody watches BYU football. Those sportswriters and actuaries were just reading the scoreboards of an overrated team and their stats against creampuffs*].

    ...They have the number two scoring defense in the country [*against 6 teams that have had trouble scoring on ANYBODY. Lot a good it did you in Ft. Worth*]

    ...I don't understand how they have NO chance, could some Ute please explain it to me? [*see above. You're welcome*]

  • Re: Calm down
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:09 a.m.

    Hey, Calm down,

    If you are calling Utah's team "mediocre"--that's how it is really spelled--then what is that saying about BYU? Sub-mediocre? Besides, this isn't about Utah, who didn't even play last night. This is about BYU losing to TCU, thus taking them out of the BCS picture!!!

  • Ouch!
    Oct. 17, 2008 8:09 a.m.

    Sorry Cougs. This really didn't turn out like I had hoped...I really wanted the Utes to be the ones to break you. Oh well, the 22nd won't quite be the same, but crushing BYU under any circumnstances is okay with me.

    Go Utes!!

  • re: UtahQuest
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:58 a.m.

    If BYU had a team, it would have been wonderful to have had Utah and BYU undefeated at the end of the season. It would have been wonderful for all the media coverage. It would have been wonderful indeed.

    But BYU doesn't have that good of a team, so what's you're point?

    You play the game with the team you have, not the team you hoped you had. Just accept that BYU has a good team this year, not a great team. Get over it!

    P.S. USC & Penn State in the National Championship, Utah in the Rose Bowl! You heard it here first

  • Hang ON
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:57 a.m.

    I don't follow football that close but I didn't realize that UTAH has already beaten TCU. When did that happen? Lots of smack talking on here by a school that still has to beat TCU and BYU. Everyone in the Mountain will have a lose by year's end.

  • No Alarm
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:53 a.m.

    No alarm needed to wake up this morning...too sick.

    Promised myself I wouldn't read any articles on the debacle of last night's game...promised to certainly not read any of the mindless take of the Ute fans...promised myself it would just be another game...promised myself that Friday morning would be a new day and feel better...promised myself that one game does not make a season...

    So much for promises.

    For the one of several mindless Ute fans who said it was an embarassment to the MWC??? Excuse me? Gee, all this time I thought TCU was in the MWC, had the top #1 Defense in the Country and was in the top 25 @ #24. I guess I was what conference is TCU in, since they destroyed the image of the MWC? What a moron. Even after an ugly loss one would think the Ute fans could come up with something intelligent. Oh yeah, then there was the Coug fan not much better, "next time a MWC team looks half decent, voters will think twice.." Say what???

    Here are facts: TCU has been under-rated all season. BYU will always get the A game from opponents. This pain will pass.

  • Re: psychoanalysis
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:53 a.m.

    I'm with "psychoanalysis." I'm much happier watching BYU lose than Utah win! It's not about Utah, it's about hating BYU. I could care less what happens from here on out. It was great to see "perfection" derailed. BYU's arrogance and their self-righteous attitude is coming back at them full circle today.

  • I am a Utah man sir
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:53 a.m.

    ha ha ha. You guys suck

    Oct. 17, 2008 7:53 a.m.

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is a UTE FAN laughing at the BYU football team and their fans that thought they were good because what is that? Oh yeah they previously played all those crappy, scrub teams and won. They should be out of the 25 and Max "Dumbo Ears" Hall should have his name taken out of Heisman consideration. Why it was there anyways is anyones wildly, imaginative guess. Maybe now KSL sports and Tommy "The Head" Kirkland will stop gushing over Bronco for a week. No, I know that won't happen. GO UTES!!!

  • dumb
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:51 a.m.

    I've decided that reading and posting on these message boards is the biggest waste of time that anyone can subject their mind to. It's just a place for retards to spout off their stupid opinions, and byu and utah fans seem to always be at the top of the list. To all the ute 'byu haters', you're retarded. To all the self righteous byu 'quest for perfectioners', you're retarded too. To Deseret News, disallow comments, and let people get back to doing something meaningful with their internet time, like playing fantasy football or video poker.

  • The Quest continues
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:47 a.m.

    Obviously, few people have read Bronco's explanations about BYU's "Quest for Perfection". Or if they did, they didn't understand them, which is OK. He didn't expect they would, and so far, most of the comments after the loss have been right where he said they would be. The Quest is not so much about going undefeated and crashing the BCS--which is how many have spun it--as it is about dealing with adversity, developing a balance in life, building character, keeping things in their proper place and order, performing up to personal expectations on and off the field. And yes, winning is part of it, too. But only a part. It is expected as the end result if the other things are properly dealt with, but is not promised. What athlete doesn't plan to win every game they play? But I have not read any statement from a BYU player claiming that there wasn't still work to do, or improvements that could be made. That would be arrogance indeed! It is a Quest, as Bronco properly labeled it; a professed desire, not a proclaimed attribute. And TCU proved that the Quest is still very much alive (and needed).

  • Coach
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:47 a.m.

    One thing is for certain: Bronco ain't no URBAN MEYER! BYU looked very unprepaired for this game.

  • Cali Coug
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:47 a.m.

    Beaten but not out...GO COUGS, BEAT UTAH!

  • SEC
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:46 a.m.

    Hummmmm......BYU could play in the SEC and win? Where are those comments today? I predicted yesterday that the game would be a blowout and who was right? YES ME!!!

  • What a game!!!
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:45 a.m.

    Oh that was sweet last night! Enjoyed every second of it. That said, I think the Utah fans are starting to sound like byu fans. I hope, and think they will, lose a game along the way.

  • Hall
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:44 a.m.

    Hall has to stop throwing into double and triple coverage and play smart.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:42 a.m.

    Utes are next.

  • Football Fan
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:41 a.m.

    Let the peasants up north enjoy their day. At least the Cougars lost to a nationally ranked and very good team. We won't bring up UNLV last year.
    Live in the glory of another teams loss. Remember you still have to play TCU and BYU.

  • Mike T
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:39 a.m.

    What was exposed (besides an all-around average team)was BYU's horrible cornerbacks. I think we have new coaches back there, why do we continue to year after year get CB's that seem to lack training in turning around to look at the ball when it is in the air?

  • Ute grad
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:31 a.m.

    Utes, I wouldn't get too anxious for a conference title. Your offense sucks and if BYU can only score 7, you probably won't do much. Can you imagine bj standing back in the pocket? Home boy gets scared everytime he takes a hit. TCU will punish him.

  • NC
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:28 a.m.


    Disagree with what you did about the running game. It's unfortunate that Anae DIDN'T run more (not just agains TCU - it's been a problem all season).

    First drive of the game BYU ran 3 straight for a 1st down...then inexplicably started throwing the ball. Momentum went to TCU when Hall couldn't keep his cool. On their one scoring drive of the game BYU ran the ball reasonably; then next drive they have 1st and 10 at the 11 and throw four straight? Come on, give us a chance to get to 26-14!

    Though I enjoy a good passing game, Hall has demonstrated all year he cannot look off defenders. BYU hadn't played a team with a good secondary until last night...and it showed. Throwing into triple coverage is never a good idea. Especially when TCU knows a pass is coming. Should've been 4-5 INTs.

    How many yards were lost on 7 sacks? If BYU runs more, they are sacked less, resulting in both cases with improved rushing stats and ball control.

    Sadly BYU's run-blocking suffers since the run hasn't been a priority all year. Poor Harvey labors for 3YPC instead of the 7-8YPC he'd get with better run-blocking.

  • Quest For Near Perfection
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:20 a.m.

    I doubt too many teams in the Mountain West will be able to handle TCU, including and unfortunately, my Utes. However, TCU played out of their mind, thus there is still hope :) GO UTES!!

  • Collie
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:17 a.m.

    Collie said it was a battle out there? It looked more a like a butt whipping

  • Interesting....
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:13 a.m.

    The beginning of this board there are a number of BYU fans truly willing to stand up tall and partake of a piece of humble pie. Here at the bottom of the board we have BYU fans blasting Utah again. What short memories you people have.

    To refresh your memory, it was the 2004 Utes who handed BYU $1 Million dollars after their BCS game. BYU's greedy outstretched hand was more than willing to take it to pay off a coach who's offense has since won a national championship. The University of Utah AND BYU both thank Urban Myer and his coaching staff for the gift.

    Less than a year latter, BYU was rocked when one of their own (Kyle Wittingham) said no thank you to their head coach offer. Wittingham rebuilt Utah's program and currently (at least for now) holds the nation's longest win streak. We thank you, Coach Wittingham.


  • From a Ute fan
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:11 a.m.

    I don't like BYU, but let's be classy about this. BYU's coaches, players and fans did need a dose of humility - and they are taking it very well. They still have a top 25 team and the sun will keep rising. Still looking forward to Nov 22.


  • Slyder
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:06 a.m.

    BYU had it weakness against the run exploited by TCU. Utah will do the same thing to BYU. The best BYU can hope for is a third place finish. As far as everyone making excuses for them, don't. They were beaten on all fronts in the game. TCU was the superior team.

  • Kenneth in Texas
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:04 a.m.

    I am a BYU fan, and disappointed in their loss. But, it is not surprising. They started out very strong against UCLA and Wyoming. But, since Utah State they have struggled. Though they had a nice win at Utah State, their play started getting sloppy, especially in the fourth Quarter. Then, a one point win against unranked New Mexico in Provo. I was concerned they may be a bit too sloppy for TCU, especially considering the stakes for both teams. Cougar fans, let's hope they regain their edge before the Utah game. This could make the race for the MWC championship interesting.

  • T3
    Oct. 17, 2008 7:02 a.m.

    Keep piling on ute fans. It shows what you are really like. But keep it coming because no matter what we Coug fans LOVE OUR TEAM! Your reactions show which team is really the best team in the state. Thanks for your support.

    Go Cougs!

  • logan liar
    Oct. 17, 2008 6:53 a.m.

    Three weeks in a row the cougs are out coached and under prepared. Rush 2 and play a sloppy zone? are you kidding me ? this is not high school.

  • U Man
    Oct. 17, 2008 6:53 a.m.

    The Utes better step up the remainder of the season if they want to crack the BCS again or get the MWC title. Looks like everyone has ignored TCU and now BYU is a wounded animal. Don't be surprised if Boise State is the BCS buster again this year.

  • Cougar 4
    Oct. 17, 2008 6:50 a.m.

    Tough loss cougs. I guess when a team starts preparing for you in January it's going to be a tough game.

    Heads up! Seasons not over. One thing that has been exposed is the true nature of ute fans. The way TCU played it looks like Nov. 22 will be for second place. Now that would be funny to see Utah take 3rd place...again.

  • BYU SoCal
    Oct. 17, 2008 6:43 a.m.

    Mendenhall is becoming more like Edwards. No emotion from the coach = no emotion from the team. The only thing worse than the score was to see the coaches and players acting like it winning didn't really matter. I'm sure that BYU and Mendenhall will follow the Edwards model. Every year put a good team on the field. Win most of your games. Lose the important ones. Go to a bowl game, and lose.

    Oct. 17, 2008 6:29 a.m.

    BYU IS NOT, WAS NEVER, A TOP 10 team. Heck, BYU isn't even a top 20 team. Much too soft defensively to be considered for either status. Going forward, Bronco has to hit the recruiting trail over in Tonga and bring back some physical defensive players for next year. This year I could easily see BYU losing 2-3 more games and not going to ANY bowl game. BYU is a word... "SOFT".

  • Forrest
    Oct. 17, 2008 6:22 a.m.

    It was obvious Hall and others were distracted by their own press. The Utah State game should have been a reality check. Miles to go, folks.

  • OhioCoug
    Oct. 17, 2008 6:18 a.m.

    What was with the mind-numbing running game that the cougs kept trying to set up even while they were down 17-0 in the 1st half? Granted, Hall had thrown a couple of interceptions by that point, but three and out ruins your drive just as quickly. At least do the thing that has been working the majority of plays and air it out. BYU was so focused on getting its run game going against a steller run defense that they lost track of the score.

  • Tarhee Ute
    Oct. 17, 2008 6:17 a.m.

    I very unnerving win as a Utah fan. There is nothing that gives me happiness in this BYU loss. The comeback I expected in the 2nd half just was not in the stars - Maybe the Red Sox stole all the luck available.

    Utah better watch out. The Utes have a first rate home crowd, but they better be ready for UNM, and should not overlook CSU tomorrow.

    For my part I will not gloat over the BYUs lost BSC hopes until the 23d - assuming.....

  • Sweet is the anguish
    Oct. 17, 2008 6:13 a.m.

    For of these comes the thrill of victory!

    Onward Cougars, rise and shout. We will yet win again.

    Meanwhile, I will be cheering for each and every opponent of Utah.

    Why do we depise them so?

  • Crowton lover
    Oct. 17, 2008 6:08 a.m.

    Well zoobies, It's always better to be a BCS doormat for us than trying to contend with us. Because when national implications are on the line the utes always win.

  • OhioCoug
    Oct. 17, 2008 6:02 a.m.

    At least we know where we stand. The cougs haven't learned a thing in the last three weeks. Just listening to the pregame hype was very telling. TCU has been hungry to play the cougs since January. BYU started thinking about this game on saturday night. BYU looked no different than they have during the last two games but they played a far superior team. Where is the progress, guys? Congrats to TCU. Hope they win the conference.

  • bigjohn
    Oct. 17, 2008 5:55 a.m.

    Was this a case of the road woes? BYU really hasn't played that well on the road again this year.

    Certainly TCU was faster and better prepared, but the road had a lot to do with the score.

    BYU needs to play its more athletic players at safety and corner too. Why is it that other teams surprise us but we don't surpise them with a modification to our status quo?

    Oct. 17, 2008 5:46 a.m.

    Nice Game BYWHO

  • What Conference?
    Oct. 17, 2008 5:45 a.m.

    Reading through the comments. I am not sure why anyone would want to cheer to be at the top of a MWC or WAC conferences.
    What does conference champs mean for these conferences?
    The only way to get better is to play tougher teams!!
    Every week the SEC, BIG-10, BIG-12, PAC-10 has games that have a magnitued of the game tonight of TCU and BYU.
    TCU played Oaklahoma losted and learned. BYU played Who to learn where they stand TULSA last year?
    This sneaking in the back door to get into a BCS game is terrible.
    I would rather play a hard game against schools like Oklahoma than a division I-AA.
    I like the USC coach statement that he will play anyone anywhere on any field, because he knows that he has the players to play anyone and compete. Yes you might lose, but at least you know what you need to do to get better.(speed and toughness)

  • Parkcat
    Oct. 17, 2008 5:40 a.m.

    I did not attend either BYU or Utah so this entire hostility issue has been lost on me. I would just say that BYU really has only one goal now and that is to beat Utah. They will see that as salvaging their season. If Utah comes into that game undefeated it will be all the more motivating and the pressure will be squarely on the Utes.

    The Cougars were not prepared for this game and they did not look that good against New Mexico either.

  • Comment Board
    Oct. 17, 2008 5:34 a.m.

    As a Ute Fan, it's hard to cheer to BYU. I am pretty upset with the way TCU manhandled the Cougars. Either the Cougars weren't mentally prepared or TCU was a far superior team. I am in Nashville and was embarassed to watch this game. My co-workers always make fun of MWC football and especially the two teams in Utah. Now I have no come backs for my pals here in SEC country.

    Notice that the comment board has over 250 comments. The reason is due to the prideful cougars posting every day. The question for perfection is now a quest for respect at this point. Next year?

  • AUtahMan
    Oct. 17, 2008 5:22 a.m.

    Sweet Justice! BY-Who?
    Okay so Utah does have a lot of tough teams left to play. And sure we haven't beat our fair share of tough opponents either. But we haven't hyped our team up as the best team in the country, especially since "that team down south" hasn't beat anybody with a winning record. Maybe they should actually beat somebody before they start making a claim for the National Championship. I can't wait til Utah absolute kills them!!!

  • DennyG
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  • Anon
    Oct. 17, 2008 5:03 a.m.

    Shame to see BYU lose this way.

    Don't worry. I'm sure Utah will pick up a loss or two before the end of November.

  • LDS Texan
    Oct. 17, 2008 5:01 a.m.

    I NEVER cheer for BYU even when they play out-of-state games! Way to go TCU! GO UTES!!!!!!!!!

  • Calm Down
    Oct. 17, 2008 4:59 a.m.

    Just because BYU lost tonight doesnt mean that magically the mediore UofU Football program is amazing and has a rich football history that comprises more then 2 years, what is with all you wannabes? Take your medical books and go study somewhere

  • UtahQuest
    Oct. 17, 2008 2:27 a.m.

    Harline's still open!
    4th and 18!
    Live right on and off the field!
    You don't win with any class. You walk around thumping your chest, wearing your slogans. Enjoy this loss. Remember how it hurts!!! Maybe next time you get on your high horses and come out with a T-Shirt it should say; "Remember TCU"
    Do you realize how bad this was??
    If Utah and BYU met in November, undefeated, in the top ten, the college football world would all be tuned in for this game. The Mountain West would get it's deserved coverage and both Utah & BYU would benefit big time in recruiting.

  • funny
    Oct. 17, 2008 2:15 a.m.

    LOL - Utah had a "nice" team in 2004? I am not sure if I would take that as a compliment Ute Fan.

  • Oh Ed...
    Oct. 17, 2008 2:12 a.m.

    Even if your bizarre scenario plays out (which it won't. The BCS will never put a 1 loss non-bcs team into one of their bowls. Especially with how the big 12 and SEC are playing) and BYU goes to a BCS bowl, do you really want them to?

    If that's what happened to them against TCU, what happens against a Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, Georgia, Penn St. etc.

    So here's the pointless hypothetical question of the day:

    Would you rather go to a BCS game and get blown out like Hawaii? Or go to Vegas and dominate another year?

    ...this won't happen. But just wondering. Does anyone think that BYU can really compete with the best at this point?

    One word: Exposed.

  • Golden Domer
    Oct. 17, 2008 2:12 a.m.

    I am not sure it is based off of reputation alone. Granted if you look at the last 25 years of College football USC, Oklahoma and BYU have won their share of National Championships. But as a Notre Dame fan, I think our school should be thrown in the mix with other National Champions over the last 25 years. Our reputation has helped us just like it does for the Cougars, Sooner and Trojans. It is unfair that a team like Utah (who had a nice team in 2004 but even then they wern't USC or Auburn and they couldn't even crack the top 4) doesn't get the same national respect as a BYU. I am excited to see Utah play Notre Dame in 2010. I am sure the Utes will do a great job as they continue to try and build their program to the level of those already mentioned.

  • Boise OWNs U AND ur Conference
    Oct. 17, 2008 2:11 a.m.

    Uh We have NEVER lost to a team in your conference. That's 15-0! And we last played Utah 23 months ago at your place where we spanked you and chanted in your own stadium while you drove home. (don't gloat BYU, we did the same thing at your place!) Shoot, we even beat Utah when we were 1-aa. And you want to put our BCS victory on trick plays?! We manhandled Oklahoma!...until they get a fumble, a freak turnover on a punt and three chances at a 2 point conversion...and like champions, we came back and won. It is stupid for any non bcs team to make the sos argument...until all college teams are on an nfl-type revolving schedule of home and is stupid and doesn't further any of us in non bcs confs. don't be a typical utah crab, pulling others down to feel better about yourself...try to see the big pic! I hope BYU isn't as bad as they looked, if they doesn't bode well for utah either, they have the same schedule and TCUs comin. Now if we can only beat Fresno and UNR. I'll take a pic in Miami for ya;-)

  • Matt
    Oct. 17, 2008 2:08 a.m.

    Do you honestly think that if the BCS system were in place in 1984 that BYU would have been playing for a national championship? They didn't beat any teams that ended up in the final top 25 teams and won by a touchdown to 6-5 Michigan in the bowl game. Utah at least had a convincing bowl win.

  • Dangerous
    Oct. 17, 2008 2:02 a.m.

    BYU has just become a dangerous team, with nothing to loose. Utah is now the league's BCS flag-bearer, and has all the pressure weighing in upon them, and they are going to feel it. All the BCS hopes now reside upon their shoulders, as they have to play the number #1 rated defense in the nation. We will learn a lot about the Utes next Saturday. If they manage to beat the horned frogs, they'll still have to face the Cougs in November. BYU's quest for perfection has ended, and the Utes quest has just begun.

  • Will
    Oct. 17, 2008 2:00 a.m.

    Just Like USC, Due to their national reputation, BYU just got a mulligan tonight, a luxury TCU and Utah do not have.. BYU is not out of the BCS. With 5 games left to still move up in the polls.

    BYU will end up between 22-25 in the polls.

    1) BYU will win out until Utah. They'll be 10-1

    2) TCU played well tonight, but is not the same team on the road. Utah will beat them on 11/6 going away. TCU will be 10-2 to end the season. They will also drop behind the defending back to back MWC champs with the loss with.

    3) Boise State will not win out.

    4) That leaves the Utes @ 11-0 going into BYU week (with upsets)they'll be ranked between 5-8th in the polls.

    5)A nationally respected 10-1 BYU will be ranked between 12-16 in the polls.

    6) BYU will beat UTAH in their own stadium (again) Utah will also drop behind the defending back to back MWC champs with the loss with. BYU moves back into the BCS top 12 for good.

  • phil murton
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:56 a.m.

    Luckily Teams like USC, Oklahoma and BYU will not drop too far out of the polls. BYU will have to wait till 2009 for the National Championship.
    But they'll still get into the BCS because of their national reputation.
    Utah and BYU will both win out through 11/22.
    Boise will lose, Ball State will not have the computers or National Reputation.
    BYU will beat Utah for the 3rd year in a row. Utah will drop out of the BCS picture and BYU leapfrogs them to get into the top 12.
    Without the National reputation though it would be impossible to get back in the BCS.

  • Duckman
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:54 a.m.

    to:"Anonymous | 11:53 p.m. Oct. 16, 2008
    Boise -- Hawaii showed the world what the WAC is all about."

    Boise is in Hawaii. I apologize, I thought it was in that forsaken wasteland Idaho.

    Maybe now I'll find a reason to visit.

  • simple arithmetic
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:54 a.m.

    byu = utah - talent

  • Great Comments
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:52 a.m.

    Morning Utah fans. I would guess that only about 10% of the posts are from BYU fans. Way to own the boards.

    When stories come out, both U of U and BYU, the posts are usually 4-1 advantage BYU stories.

    Just goes to show how the BYU program is Iconic in this area for college football. Sure, all teams lose, but BYU's loss is heard all over the Nation.

    Ute fans, that great feeling you have tonight, it's that BYU is in your heart, your soul, it runs your blood and feeds your brain. You can't help it, it's what great programs do. They own you, you are obsessed with all that is BYU.

    If Utah loses Saturday to CSU, 50 post max, no one cares. Everyone cares about BYU and their football program. ESPN analysts have BYU football burned into their brains.

    Face it guys, Fans for BYU and Utah alike (and now BSU), we all live for BYU football.

    The obsession with BYU, it's a beautiful thing.

  • ED
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:49 a.m.

    1) BYU will win out until Utah. They'll be 10-1 going into Utah.

    2) TCU played well tonight, but is not the same team on the road. Utah will beat them on 11/6 going away. TCU will be 10-2 to end the season. They will also drop behind the defending back to back MWC champs with the loss with.

    3) Boise State will not win out. They will srop behind BYU with a late season loss to a WAC team.

    4) That leaves the Utes @ 11-0 going into BYU week (with upsets)they'll be ranked between 5-8th in the polls.

    5)A nationally respected 10-1 BYU will be ranked between 12-16 in the polls.

    6) BYU will beat UTAH in their own stadium (again) Utah will also drop behind the defending back to back MWC champs with the loss. BYU moves back into the BCS top 12 for good.

  • Boise State plays bad teams
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:46 a.m.

    I admit, Boise State most likely will get to play in a BCS bowl game. However, if Utah wins out, they are far more deserving simply because they have a tougher schedule. And honestly their tough schedule is really in the MWC. The MWC this year is better than the PAC-10, and most definitely better than the WAC. I feel Boise State would do just fine in a bowl game however, but they really don't play anyone. Still they are good. Go Utes!

  • AzByuFan
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:42 a.m.

    It was a great run, that win streak. Makes me even appreciate more the 1984 NCAA NATIONAL CHAMPIONS. At least coug fans know what it is like to have a perfect season and be champs. All due respect to the Utes in 2004, who unfortunately picked the wrong year to be perfect. BYU overachieves with their overall talent level. They always got the big guys but the fast guys they are lacking as was evident in the game. I think preparation is often overated, sometimes the superior speed and overall talent wins out.

  • Ute Fans
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:42 a.m.

    Great win tonight. Loved your effort. Your team sat home and watched the game to perfection.

    To Boise:

    You are so right, I now want to move to Boise, to live in Boise, to smell Boise, to smell like Boise. I want to become Boise, and be all that Boise is. I want bright blue grass for a lawn, I want Boise bumper stickers, drink Boise water, postmarks from boise on my mail, I want to get caught speeding in Boise, get my clothes in Boise, get my haircut in Boise, catch colds in Boise, find a wife in boise, raise my kids in Boise, buy a dog in Boise, walk the strees of Boise, plant a garden in Boise, retire in Boise, get hair plants in Boise, wear slacks in Boise, die and be burried under smurf turf in Boise.

    I just want to be Boise if I can so I can be a BSU fan just like you.

    Go BSU, Go Utes, you both earned the win tonight.

  • Jake
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:35 a.m.

    Look, I respect BYU for having a quality football program. I also respect their players and coaches, as well as their university. It's their fans I can't stomach, simply because they puff themselves up to pretend they have a program which they just don't have! Are they good? Yes! Are they outstanding? No! Are they the best team in the state of Utah? We'll wait and find out, but in any case they definitely are not a top 10 team.

  • AK Cougar
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:26 a.m.

    TCU spanked the cougars tonight. Hall was not at his best and many of his passes were forced, hurried and not on target. I was surprised more were not intercepted.

    Look out Utah, TCU is coming to RES on 11/6 to win.

    I was hoping for a BYU/UTAH matchup 11/22 of the undefeated, but it may be a matchup of the one loss teams. Go Cougars and Go Utah.

  • Rivalry
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:22 a.m.

    You can't compare the rivalry here with the rivalry at BCS schools. The MWC needs all of the credibility they can get. It makes no sense to cheer for BYU or Utah to have terrible seasons. All that means is that BOTH teams will be out of the national media. The reason why there has been so much press is because BOTH teams have been very good. If you look at a team like Tulsa, they are getting no love because they have no competition at all, Boise State has nothing to brag about except beating a crippled, QB-less Oregon team. BYU looked terrible tonight, but to say that anything is for sure (BYU not getting to any bowl game, Utah running the table, TCU winning the MWC) is all speculation, I expect the Utes to beat TCU, but I DON'T expect them to beat New Mexico. That will be the game to watch.

  • Terry Birch
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:18 a.m.

    Very disappointed! That was BYU's worst game this season. They got worst every week since their whipping of UCLA. I would not be surprised if BYU lose more this season. Their goal will now have to settle for second or third place, or even worse, in the conference. The head coach is not national champion coach yet.

  • Ridgerunner
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:14 a.m.

    As a BYU fan, I thought about committing suicide Thursday after the game. But then I got to thinking, I still have my job, my family, my dog and my life. Every team will lose sooner or later! Even the mighty Utes will fall hard at some point! I hope when that day comes, I will not act like some of you on here who have no other reason to live other than to see their hated rival lose a game. What goes around comes around, it will come your way soon enough. When it does, I hope you can handle it. I am doing really well right now because the loss didn't change a thing about my life.

  • not surprised
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:09 a.m.

    BYU fans need to be content with a team that is bowl eligible each year with some conference championships. The fact is BYU has never been able to recruit REAL speed. They never will be able to recruit the athletes that TCU and Utah are able to get year in and year out. Most athletes don't want to live by the strict honor code. BYU does not need to apologize for that, but the truth is we can look forward to a good team each year, but not a dominant team like we hoped for this year.

  • MWC Fan
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:08 a.m.

    Come on peeps... Let the cougs have their moment of rebuilding. I think that's enough from the Utes. Once you have the championship then you can talk. Cougs, that was a rough one... it just shows ya you gotta talk the talk and walk the walk. Now let's leave the cougs alone.

  • wac???
    Oct. 17, 2008 1:00 a.m.

    boise state?? hahaha that'd be a bigger joke than the hawaii georgia game. get real the wacs not goin anywhere anytime soon. utes have all the breaks this year. i think its hilarious ute fans are still thinkin bcs. at least cougars had a streak to lose. look for the utes to end up with 2 losses. BYU and TCU, game over!!!!

  • church or ball
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:55 a.m.

    You can't mix the two,get used to it coug guys will always loose to these type teams like tcu & utah, teams with more athletic talent...why?..its the type of student athlete you recruit, without getting into a big "holy religon" type is what it is! guyz recruit good wholesome church boyz,that's great! There`s nothing wrong with that...but if you want to win and compete in the world of big time college need to reconsider your if you`re gona go to church go to church..and leave football to the boys from the U of U....

    You can't serve two masters!

    The truth

  • So this is
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:42 a.m. it feels to be a Ute. I see why you guys have issues.

  • Cougar fan
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:37 a.m.

    Hey Utes, have fun with them.

  • reorganized cougar club pres
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:30 a.m.

    all right all right coug fans we got beat and we got beat bad and everyone is on us for our quest for Perfection but listen everyone and I mean everyone in the MWC and Yes all the all whacker conference plays BYU like its their own Superbowl. and every year people play INSANE against BYU. YEWTE fans you're the worst outta all of them. well I should rephrase that about half of you are just BYU haters and obnoxious and drunk the other half are respectable fans that I can actually stand

  • total1096
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:29 a.m.

    P.U. P.U. P.U.

    Pathetic underachievement.

  • Noooo!!!!
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:26 a.m.

    Poor Cougs. Why couldn't you win! And why did you have to lose so badly and in such a humiliating fashion? :(

  • uteowl
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:21 a.m.

    I couldn't see the game so I watched baseball instead, but then I remembered the game and checked the score. And I laughed, and laughed, and laughed.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:17 a.m.

    Perfection--defection. Perfection is an infection. Get over it and realize you're human. Humans aren't perfect. BYU taught us all a lesson tonight.

  • WAC Poised to Take 3 in a Row
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:15 a.m.

    Honestly, Boise State is right there. TCU and BYU are not going to get there and Utah still has to beat both. The MWC is staring at 3 straight WAC BCS bowl bids.

    By the way, just how SLOW is the Y?!? The MWC really doesn't seem that good considering how TCU fared against OU (not as good as Texas, btw) and turned around a stomped the overrated and over-hyped Cougars.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:12 a.m.

    BYU was taken behind the woodshed tonight and given a thrashing to remember. I could see it coming because of the haughtiness they were brewing as a team. It never pays to get too full of oneself because "pride comes before the fall". BYU was playing against another religious institution and it just goes to show that God doesn't have any favorites in the mix. He loves us all and lets the best team win.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:08 a.m.

    The reason Ute fans always want BYU to lose is because they're fans. How often do you think Texas roots for OK? Or Florida roots for LSU? You always root against a so called rival. Unless you live in Utah County. My understand is that the Utes went to a BCS game and won. Until the Y does that then you should SHHHHHHHHHHH

  • utahhusker
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:05 a.m.

    Tough loss for both BYU and Utah fans. BYU staying highly ranked was Utah's ONLY hope to get to a NC game if they ran the table. Now all they have to hope for is another BCS bowl against a Big Least team.

  • agree with true ute
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:04 a.m.

    I don't revel in the BYU loss, I wish they would have won, however since our team didn't play today and BYU's did I get the opportunity to call out some people on here have been running their mouths all year long, I along with most ute fans make no assumptions about where the utes season will go, I like our chances but I see stumbling blocks, but just like in 04 we'll take it one game at a time continuing with CSU on saturday, RES is gonna be rockin as the utes look to extend their winning ways and hopfully do it without any injuries or mass turnovers and penalties. GO UTES!

  • And thus the quest ends
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:03 a.m.

    You had a good run, it's sad it had to end tonight. Now it's time to Choose the Red for the Nov 6 and 22 games.

    Go Utes!

  • Just Sad
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:03 a.m.

    My hope at the season's onset: Unprecedented national attention with undefeated BYU facing undefeated Utah on 11/22 in the biggest game ever between two non-BCS conference teams (with the winner obviously rewarded with a BCS bowl bid).

    My current opinion: Neither Utah nor BYU merit their lofty rankings -- BYU obviously will drop precipitously after this game. Utah will fall to TCU. The BYU-Utah game at best will be a battle for second place in the MWC although both Utah and BYU could lose additional conference games. No MWC team in a BCS bowl this year.

  • TrueUte
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:02 a.m.

    Thanks Re: TrueUte, but I don't need any help from you. Amazing that even after a devastaing loss, you cougs still have the energy to play the role of the moral authority. While I stand by my earlier statement, I don't think Ute fans are unique for despising their rival. It seems to be a very big part of sports in my experience. News flash - Texas A&M fans love their Aggies and hate the tea sips from Texas (Florida State/Miami, Alamabam/Auburn, etc. etc.). How are you different? You're not a BYU fan, you're just a BYU-hater-hater.

  • Boise St, ha
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:02 a.m.

    Boise St. owning Utah?! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Nice try all gain-sayers and nay-sayers from BYU trying to make themselves feel better. Notice that not one game has mentioned the upcoming game on Nov. 22... That's because BYU knows for a fact that they will lose!!!

  • hey cougs
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:02 a.m.

    7 sacks! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 not 0 there was 7! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

  • Provo'sWestSide
    Oct. 17, 2008 12:01 a.m.

    Like I've said since the 70's "ANYBODY BUT BYU"!!!

  • Ha ha
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:58 p.m.

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!

    oh yeah, and... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha..

    no BCS bowl, no MWC championship, no Vegas Bowl and

    guaranteed loss at Rice Eccles!! Ha Ha Ha Ha

  • I agree
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:58 p.m.

    A BYU hater does not make a True Ute Fan make. Guys, there's still a game on Nov 22 and what if BYU spoils our BCS hopes--and that's if we get past TCU who looked scary good tonight. All this trash talking is foolishness. The only thing this game proved is that there won't be an undefeated showdown which would have been absolutely phenomenal. Oh well. But back down fellas, there's some tough games ahead.

  • re: JB
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:56 p.m.

    Hah! Neither do you. Do you remember which team you are cheering for? If you forget, go back and look at the team record from 2005 on. Urban is gone my friend and so is any Utah dream season.

  • re boise owns utah
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:55 p.m.

    when was the last time you played UofU?????

  • Ute Smack
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:54 p.m.

    Please be patient with Utah fans who come here to taunt and gloat. Time has not erased the trauma of being jilted by Urban Meyer. They got to go to the prom and then their date dumped them. Things just haven't been the same since.

  • re: re: harline's still open
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:54 p.m.

    Yeah right! How many times does the Urban Meyer season pop up on these boards. Utah lives further in the past than BYU. When will both schools realize that they will never amount to anything more than conference champions. Until they can be part of a real conference they will never stand the chance of being true champions. I realize this is not necessarily their fault but big talk goes nowhere unless your money is where your mouth is. Both teams would be blown away by half the teams in the SEC and 2/3 of the teams in the Big 12.
    While I'm still on a soapbox, the ACC and Big East such and are way overrated and the Big 10 and Pac 10 flat out stink this year.

  • psychoanalysis
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:53 p.m.

    I really need to see a shrink. I have come to the point in my "sports" life that the best day in football is when BYU gets beat. It is great when the Utes win, like an 8 game winning streak. But the loss to TCU has made my season.......
    My shrink asked me, what will life be like when UTAH destroys BYU, 11/22????? I didn't know he was a Ute fan too. He didn't even charge me for the session

    Go Utes

  • re:humorous
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:53 p.m.

    you can postulate all you want that utah will have a loss or to...the only things that are for sure? You'll have a loss and you're not goin to a BCS game, at least we still have a chance, right now BYU will be beyond lucky to go to the Vegas bowl. What comes around goes around, you talked a ton of smack BYU fans, now instead of tryin to turn it on us just eat it and try to at least show up to the reast of your games. And to answer your other question I'm a utah fan for utah, I really don't hate the cougar football team on the field, its when they and their fans open up their arrogant mouths off the field like the world owes them something, so in summary I don't hate cougar football, I hate you and all the other fans that act like that, to the BYU fans with some humility on here, I'm sorry your team lost and that the other fans of your team can't take what they dish out.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:53 p.m.

    Boise -- Hawaii showed the world what the WAC is all about. Go Buffs!!

  • True Ute
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:51 p.m.

    To BYU fans, I'm sorry for your loss. To my Ute brothers who say that you would rather see the Cougars lose than the Utes win, I'm ashamed to be associated with you. A true fan of the game revels more in his teams success and not in the failure of his foes. Cougs, not all Ute fans are created equal. There are bright ones among us.

    GO UTES!!

    Watch that film and be ready, TCU looked like World Beaters tonight.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:50 p.m.

    I suppose all you good-natured cougs will be routing for Utah now as there selection in the BCS would be "good for the conference?" As for those of you who have a problem with Utes enjoying the fall of king collie and quest for perfection -- get over it. If you want to talk the talk then you better walk the walk. BYU winning tonight wouldn't have done a thing for Utah. Either way, our best case was a non-championship BCS -- just like BYU's. Whether BYU went 11-1 or 7-5, if Utah wins out it goes to BCS - sorry Boise Tech.

  • JB
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:49 p.m.

    Wow. Coug fans keep pointing out to Ute fans to wait we still have to play TCU, yeah and we still have a chance to be undefeated, do you?

  • Re: TrueUte
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:48 p.m.

    The problem with telling other "Ute fans" to back off is that they aren't really "Ute fans." They are just BYU haters. Take "Call me crazy" at 10:47 for example. He would say that as a Ute fan? Pathetic!!! How many others are just fair weather fans anyway?

  • re: harline's still open
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:45 p.m.

    this is the reason i am a utah fan...we don't care about the past we are all about the future, and it looks like the bcs isn't in yours... and the fact that are people still talking about 1984 is just annoying, we don't care!!!!!!!!!!!! get some utes!!!

  • Boise Owns Utah
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:42 p.m.

    We will smoke the Utes and Cougars again when we meet up in the coming years.

    When is the last time a team from Utah beat us?

  • TrueUte
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:38 p.m.

    Back off my fellow Utes. The pressure is now on us. It is really bad karma to talk so much trash with so many games to go. There but for the grace of God . . . I hope the team continues to keep their heads down and their mouths shut. Time to get to work Utes.

  • Humorous
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:38 p.m.

    It is funny to hear all the Ute fans. The only thing you are concerned about is the Cougars lost. The last time I checked the schedule both teams have 5 regular season games to play and the last one is between the Utes and the Cougars. As a Cougar fan I will say we got dominated, but lets wait until after November 6th and then again after the 22nd to see who is the better team!!!!

    Its easy to kick someone when there down, but lets just wait and see what happens in the next few weeks and then we'll see who is laughing.

    Also, I have one question for all the Ute you really love the Utes or do you just love the Utes because you hate the Cougars?? It sounds like from the comments that it is the later; how pathetic you Cougar haters, I mean Ute fans are!! ha ha... See you on the 22nd with ONE loss (if not TWO).

  • Re: Re: Boise Owns Utah
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:38 p.m.

    That's because he really knows that the WAC is pathetic. The MWC's worst team beat the WAC's worst team by 28 points. Boise State would fall into the middle of the MWC. The rest of the WAC teams would fall in at the bottom. The MWC owns the WAC.

  • RE : GoodGuyGary
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:38 p.m.

    GoodGuyGary, Las Vegas called and they want to know if you want the same room you stayed in last year..................

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:36 p.m.

    I'll be the first to admit that BYU got their trash handed to them...and not because of faulty officiating or anything else. TCU played great tonight. They dominated the game in every aspect. My hat goes off to them.

    I honestly think TCU is very UNDER-rated. It doesn't make any sense to me why they dropped out of the top 25 after losing to #1 Oklahoma, but tonight they proved that they are stiff competition and a solid team. My hat goes off to them.

    I hope the Utes bask in the glory of BYU losing. Go ahead, take your shots and jabs. Just know that you're the one wearing the target now. Don't be surprised when you get knocked off your pedestal.

  • re: GoodGuyGary
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:35 p.m.

    WOW, what a great team???? There are few things that make me happier in life than watching TCU TORCH the COUGIES tonight! Honestly though, DID THIS LOSS REALLY SURPRISE ANYONE?????????? BYU has played against POOR TEAMS, then STRUGGLED TO WIN ON THE ROAD AGAINST THOSE TEAMS!!!!



  • True Blue
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:35 p.m.

    It's funny, but this is the kind of fan I am. I love BYU. It was hard to lose tonight, especially since we didn't play well. We lost to a better team, period. Having said that, since I live here in Utah, and if Utah were to make it in the running at any time and play in a BCS bowl game...I would cheer for them. In all these comments, and some are pretty nasty, I only saw one Ute fan who said he was sorry...and had hoped we could have won. Healthy competition is good...but when competition generates some of the venom I've read here I become disallusioned.

  • utah fan
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:34 p.m.

    don't you love how all the byu fans just became tcu fans

  • RE:BYU
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:33 p.m.

    I guess that the only real BCS buster in the MWC is Utah....ummmmm....its not that easy BYU is it???....mmmmmmmmm...shouldn't have been talking about playing in the BCS Championship Bowl Game....mmmmmmmm....WOW....why.....why........why???? shucks....maybe you guys weren't that good after all...oh and about our part time offense....hey when you need them the at least come through...I guess there is always next year....OUCH!!!!

  • How do you spell
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:30 p.m.


  • BSU
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:28 p.m.

    Boise State fans now need to get a life and realize they are just like BYU fans...they have the worst schedules in college football, and play up like they are the greatest team in college football...

    If Utah or BYU or TCU, or even half the other teams in the MWC were in the WAC, they would go undefeated every year...because there is no competition in that conference...

    While BSU-Oklahoma was a great game, Statue of Liberty plays, Hook and Laterals, and halfback passes will only get you so far...The stars were aligned on that one night where all of those plays worked...but you cant tell me BSU would hang with any BCS team again...

    I just read an interesting stat...vs Oregon, that was BSU's first win against a BCS team on the road...they are now 3-11 vs the PAC-10 all-time...Oregon had no quarterback...thats real impressive for the team that has had the best record in college football since the year 2000...

    Can we learn anything from that? Maybe that BSU NEVER PLAYS ANYBODY!!!

    go ahead and bring up the fact that they beat us 3 years ago with that great (sarcastic) Utah team we had...

  • Re: Boise Owns Utah
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:26 p.m.


    If that's true, then why the heck does your president want in the MWC so bad that he's come out and said it on the record three times?

    Think before you post.

  • Utah
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:23 p.m.

    I can't wait for the utah TCU game. I wish I lived in Utah so I could go to that pathetic stadium to watch and cheer for TCU. The utes think they're great. Well, wait till the HORNED FROGS roll into town. The utes are worse then BYU and next on the list to fall at the hands of TCU.

  • Smack
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:22 p.m.

    Ute fans sure talk a lot of smack considering that BYU was exposed for having played a fairly similar schedule to Utah (you know, such as a win over a I-AA team, beating Utah State and beating a terrible BCS program [how did Michigan lose to Toledo at home? Man that win looks good].

    Keep in mind guys, you still have to play at New Mexico (which is a big trap game), and then you have TCU and BYU.

    If you guys win all those games, you deserve to go to a BCS bowl. But don't talk smack yet. You still have a long way to go.

  • Imagine
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:21 p.m.

    if BYU played speedy teams such as FLorida or USC in a BCS game.I mean if TCU was too much speed for the cougars. How emberassing it would of been. It's a good thing they won't have that chance now. Why does BYU recruit in state talent???? not just lineman but skill players too.

  • No Adjustment Defense
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:18 p.m.

    Could the DB's play any further back? I mean there were plays where they had to pan the camera to find the Cougar DB who was in coverage. All TCU had to do all night was throw 5-10 yard outs all night because Cougar DB's were playing 15 yards off the ball. At some point you have to make an adjustment and get up and take those routes away. The other things they did all night was direct snap to 85. He never passed it once but all the DB's dropped back in coverage. No adjustment until he had torched them over and over and the game was far out of reach. The coaches were worse than the players IMO tonight.

  • It's all yours, Utah
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:16 p.m.

    No, not the BCS, the bullseye. It's big, it's heavy, and it's on your back now. Good luck getting your part-time offense through the MWC conference without a loss. Looks like things are shaping up for BSU.

  • objectivity
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:16 p.m.

    It would be a very rare occasion for any MWC team to actually deserve to be in the top ten. From the looks of how the Utes play they do not deserve to be in there either. They will blow a game. Count on it. Either New Mexico or TCU

  • Message From eBay to Coug Fans
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:14 p.m.

    Quit posting those Quest for Perfection t-shirts. Nobody outside of Provo wanted them before the TCU game, nobody anywhere wants them after TCU game.

  • I bet 90%
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:12 p.m.

    of you people on here, have never put a football jersey on! You Ute fans tick me off. You should have been wanting BYU to win. Now the game in Salt Lake doesnt mean half as much. Imagine what a top 10 BYU, and top 10 Utah game would have been like? You should stop and think what that would have done for both programs. I love Utah and BYU, because I love this great State. Your dumb for wanting a freakin Texas team to beat one of us! They both deserve to be top 25, cuz they are both THAT GOOD! Nothing against TCU. That was incredible! I just ask fans to stop and think for a min. Support each other.................then we meet! Then its blood! Then its bragging rights! Then its history! I hope the cougars stay ranked, so the Utah-BYU game will be amazing.

    Start a new streak Cougs! Utes, keep rollin fellas!

  • nov. 22 now nov. 6
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:11 p.m.

    The big game is now nov. 6, black out game for the MWC Championship! I'm so stoked, to the BYU fans saying Utah will loss to TCU? They may but they won't get blown out and embarass the conference, wayta pull a Hawaii and make all the rest of us look mediocre when we aren't, worry about the game at hand instead of BCS games and maybe you can reach the stature of our 04 team that kept things in prespective and won out.

  • BYU Fan in Colorado
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:10 p.m.

    BYU got worked. There is no way around it. TCU was quicker and looked like they wanted it much more. If there was one team I wanted to lose to it was TCU. I don't want a lose to Utah at all. I am really glad we don't have the really bad loses too, like when Utah lost to UNLV last year. This lose can just further the argument that the MWC is tough. As long as someone beats TCU in the MWC and BYU beats the Cougs it will still be a good year.

    I never thought BYU was going to win the National Championship. So this lose is a best case scenario in my opinion. I think BYU will barely stay in the top 25 also. They deserve to. Just like when Wisconsin lost to horrible Michigan. Crazy things happen.

  • Boise Owns Utah
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:08 p.m.

    Just be glad you don't play us this year Cougar Fans, it would be worse than the last time we played.


  • UTES #1
    Oct. 16, 2008 11:07 p.m.

    BYU is too slow, they need to stack up on speed, not on meat! When will them little kittys learn?

  • About Time
    Oct. 16, 2008 10:59 p.m.

    As long as a team has a remotely fast defense and a passing game the cougars cannot win. How they have won so many games in a row with this small amount of athletism is incredible! Looks like another quest to the vegas bowl cougars..

  • Don't Stop Wearing the TShirts
    Oct. 16, 2008 10:59 p.m.

    Hey Cougar fans just wanted to remind you to continue to wear your "Question for Perfection" T-Shirts. I'll be lookin for ya when I'm roamin around Provo. Remember...its not about a quest for a perfect season, it's about the quest to be a perfect person ;) At Utah we have quest not to put stupid team slogans on our shirts, and our quest lives on!

  • Wiley Old School
    Oct. 16, 2008 10:58 p.m.

    No realistic scenario puts the Cougs in the Las Vegas Bowl. If TCU wins out, they're in LV. If Utah wins out they're in BCS and TCU is in LV. If BYU wins out, LV picks a 1-conference loss TCU over BYU.

    Only chance for LV is if somehow TCU makes a BCS bowl with one loss (unlikely) or if both TCU and Utah lose two more games (unlikely).

    BYU will go bowling elsewhere... but at least have a chance to win.

  • BYU is good, TCU is better
    Oct. 16, 2008 10:57 p.m.

    and hopefully Utah is the best (having both of those games at home does them the advantage). I still think the game on Nov 22 will be a close one but this year I think it is going to be Utah that wins a close one. But good luck to BYU until that day.

  • res
    Oct. 16, 2008 10:56 p.m.

    For all you myopic Ute fans that think this is a "good" thing-just a gentle reminder: you ain't played TCU yet and you ain't played BYU yet.

    Unlike last year, when the Cougars got increasing better as the season progressed, they are in a doldrums.

    It would have been much better for UoU had BYU won.

    |But it takes a reasonably thinking person to realize that.

  • Polls
    Oct. 16, 2008 10:55 p.m.

    BYU needs to drop at least to #20, maybe keep them in the top 25. Even though TCU is a very good, I have to look at BYU's overall performance these past few weeks and I'm not impressed.

  • Oh the humanity!!!
    Oct. 16, 2008 10:55 p.m.

    And I was so looking forward to an undefeated Ute team and an undefeated Cougar squad playing for a BCS bid. Let's hope that the Utes can get it done or the conference will lose a big BCS pay day. Can we get Guy Gibbs to ref the holy war again? He will make sure that the right team wins.

  • Well hello Utes
    Oct. 16, 2008 10:54 p.m.

    Now I know where to find every Ute fan in america...right