to 8:33 and 8:49...whoever you are...You've asked a question on here many times?
Well no one knows who you are because your moniker changes with each post. Maybe
some consistency in who you are would be a great start...As for my
questions, you didn't answer them. Instead you gave your usual liberal drivel
that is called Republican bashing.Your list is nothing compared to
the endless list of failures of Democrats yet they are returned to Washington.
You're whining about Palin as if she's running for POTUS. I know, liberals are
scared so they are going after her.Why is it Dems can't get rid of
the lousy representatives in Congress?The real answer lies with the
poster who said that Dems don't believe they are doing anything wrong and that
everyone is doing what they are so it is ok.There's nothing
rhetorical about my questions. I just wanted to see if there were any honest
liberals on these pages. And by your responses, it looks like the answer is
no.If you want to list more Repubs then go ahead. But be sure to see
how many either gave up their office or were not re-elected.
Look around on political blogs and you'll find countless right-wing drones who
sound exactly like you. They all keep the singing the same Rezko/Wright/Ayers
song again and again (never mind that McCain and Palin are committing gaffes on
a daily basis) while peppering Obama with personal insults based in no reality
at all. Bring up issues? No chance, because you know the Republicans are
doomed if that happens. We're trapped in an gruesome mistake of a war, Wall
Street is falling apart, and the our debt is skyrocketing. Face it, Republicans
had their chance and they've blown it big time. I don't claim that Obama is
perfect, but he'll at least get us back on the road to recovery. McCain would
be a DISASTER for America, but I'm not worried. Anyone who's willing to turn
off a computer and look outside of Utah's no-thought zone knows that
McCain/Palin are crashing big time. I can't wait to come back to
these boards and watch you throw your tantrums after Obama wins (Oh, and most of
the Founding Fathers were Deists. Sorry if the truth hurts, but you must be
used to that.)
Gus Talwynd | 12:18 p.m.:"Do you forget that this country was not
founded on the establishment of a particular religion as a central pillar of our
nation?"We're confident that it was not based on the Muslim
Rc | 1:35 a.m.:"TO PJ : What a snide, cynical remark to make about
Obama"What do you mean? You can't get more praise than to be cited
as a Messiah."You reveal more about yourself than you do about
him."This is not about me. It's about the man who is the
Messiah."Do you worship your party so much that you cannot see any
good at all in the opposing candidate?"The opposing candidate has
little or no good. Wait! He would make a nice Community Organizer."This kind of rhetoric is NOT good for America, and I hope we can learn to
discuss the issues without this adolescent name-calling."Tell that
to your friends who constantly and vilely rail on Governor Sarah Palin."Of course, it is much easier to do that than to take the time to study the
issues and candidates, and make an informed decision."I've made a
study of the candidate. Here are a few of his friends:Terrorist
William AyersAmerica hater Father PflegerAmerica hater Jeremiah
WrightAmerica hater Muslim Louis FarrakhanCriminal Tony RezkoIf that doesn't concern you nothing will.
So part of the problem here Charles is that you really do not ask questions you
make rhetorical statements based on rhetoric, but you go ahead and keep thinking
you are superior.One question though how come not one person on
these forums (either party to be fair) including you Charles has actually ever
been able to answer my one simple concrete question I have asked many times.
What is the one specific policy plan that your candidate is proposing that has
made you decide to vote for them?
Have you ever noticed that republicans cannot turn that same critical lens back
at their candidates and if anyone else does they are branded as just being
shrill haters.A few examples for you Charles:Mr. McCain
has embraced Pat Robinson despite the fact that two days after 9/11 he claimed
that the attacks where the result of Americas wicked ways.Palin sat in a
church where the pastor stated that the attacks on Israel are punishment because
of the Jews did to accept Jesus.Palin supported the bridge to nowhere
until congress pulled out then she took the money and ran.McCain voted for
the deregulation that he is now railing against as the cause of the wall street
melt down.to quote you "the list is endless shall I go on"
"why is it" it is actually really simple republicans only see the world throw
their narrow brand of religion that tells them they are always right. Everything
has to be framed in terms of their brand of religion it is the only thing they
know. I have to admit I maybe a little envious though, it must be nice to have a
brand of god that never disagrees with you.
Republicans always call Obama the Messiah? I've never heard or seen that label
from any Democrat. Either they're more fond of Obama than they're saying or they
don't understant politics. Maybe both.
I think we all know they are both mortals.
1) Give me one example of where it says this country was founded on a belief in
God and Jesus. Do you know what a Deist believes and how many of our founding
fathers were Deists?2) Congress does not run the country. That is
supposed to be shared by the President, Congress, and the Supreme Court. 'W' and
Cheney have ruined that, however, by assuming so much power of their own.
Anyone who believes Obama is anything more than a mortal has had too much
coolaid today!They are both just men. Neither one being elected
will mean the end of the United States (too you Democrats threatening to commit
hari-kari or leave the contry if Obama isn't elected).Either could
be a good President. They don't do it by themselvs you know! I would look
carefully at who thy choose as advisors (and have chosen in the past to advise
them). That tells you more about how they will lead than any speach, debate or
dog and pony show. If you want a clue on how they would lead and
who will be helping them gather information and make critical decisions... check
out their advisors and their support team. That tells you who's advice they
would be taking, what special interest groups have influence on them, and who
they would choose to help them lead the country. Again, it's not a one man show
(no matter how much people want you to think Bush alone is to blame for where we
are today). Part of it is who he choose as advisors (not all of them good
At the political level it was democratic party hacks who headed Freddie & Fannie
and managed them to the brink. It was democratic party pc that declared that
anyone who could fog a mirror deserved a home loan, and made it law that they
had to get one. It was republican spegetti spines that let it happen.
Thanks Gus. I aim to please. Also, I noticed you didn't refute anything I
posted. Why is that? Maybe because Americans who do think for themselves see
Obama for what he is and what he thinks he is?That wind last night
and this morning is the wind that is still sinking the Obama ship....down, down
The last thing we need to do, is elect another inept administration because of
their religious beliefs. The United States is not struggling because
of God's punishments. It's struggling because of poor leadership, greed, and
empty promises. If you want more of the same, continue to vote the
same people/same type of people into office. In respect to the last
two years:the economic problems that we're having today, are the results
of years of deregulation, poor money management, bad investments, and lies. Not
because the Democrats have been in Congress for 20 months. Such
judgment is unbelievably ignorant.
Charles, you're one funny guy. You've made my day! I've not read so much
silliness in a comment as I do in yours.
What's with all you people that think religion is a major issue in this
campaign??? or that religion gives either of the parties a differentiating edge
over the other???Think about it...- Both canditates (and their
VPs) claim to be christians? So why do Democrats only point at the Republican
candidates and whine about religion? Their BOTH THE SAME!-What US
President HASN'T been at least a little bit religious (I don't care which
brand)???-What religion is President Bush??? (and no, "Evengelical"
is not a religion)-The last President who made a big deal about his
religion (and I think ABSOLUTLY EVERY American know what religion he was.... Was
President Kenedy (A DEMOCRAT)!-So playing the religion-card doesn't
diferentiate Democrats from Republicans as much as you think it does (unless you
think Democrats only say they are religious and they believe in God to get
elected, but they say it with a wink and a nod because their base knows only
Democrats can get away with saying they're religious and not have the media and
the other party clap-trappers try to make it into a big issue).
Do you forget that this country was not founded on the establishment of a
particular religion as a central pillar of our nation? If you want to get into
the argument that Christianity should be declared the "official" religion, then
you will no only be in violation of the Constitution, but you will resurrect
those old criticisms of which religion sect is "Christian" and which is not.It is certainly clear that the evangelical Right will rise to the
occassion and declare that Utah's predominant faith is blasphemous and heretical
to Christianity's central beliefs. Look at the opening this will
give to re-establishing the religious bigotry of the 19th and early 20th
centuries. All this noise about validating Christianity is based on low
self-esteem among a small, but vocal segment of the Christian world.If you are not secure enough in yourself to find value in the central precept
of separation of church and state, you might go back and examine your faith and
see what it is based on. This is the approach taken by radical Muslims: Attack
those who are not like them and vigorous push their religious agenda.
Anon..I usually ignore you and your daily hatred rants but I can't believe you
don't know this for yourself.I'm a free thinker. I don't need the
DailyKos or DNC to give me my marching orders like you and all other
liberals.I gave many specific examples, I guess you don't like them.
The faux presidential seal that Obama had made up for himself and debuted at the
Governors conference and then pulled it immediately because of the backlash.
(Anointed One and lack of judgment)Hangs in a church for 20 years
that preaches hate for God and country; Rev. Wright as mentor (not smart or
intelligent moves - shows inability to reason hate versus worship of God)"Clinging to their religion, guns and country" Again, not the smartest
of statements to makeVotes "present" so he doesn't have to take a
stand and when he does vote he voted for infanticide.press conf
without teleprompter - uh, um, uh, um, uh, um, uh...yes what a very "thoughtful"
response. He has no principles so he can't speak without the written word for
him.The list is endless...shall I continue?You really
need help with the FF and their-belief-in God?
The more time goes on the more evident it is that today's modern American
conservative movement is dumber than can ever be imagined.They have
morped into a cult of hate-filled Limbaughs that are as close to fascism that
this country has ever seen.There may be no real hope for America as
the rich get richer at the expense of the little guys and the rich wanabes (or
pretend to be)
Only landlords have "tenants."
Charles, in your diatribe you state your opinion without any backup, you claim
that Obama "thinks of himself as the "Anointed One"", you claim that Obama
"isn't smart; not intelligent; has no reasoning skills" yet you provide nothing
but your own hubris to back this up with. You are the one who comes off as not
smart, not intelligent (redundant), with no reasoning skills. Then you follow it
up with "As for the country being founded on JudeoChristian beliefs; that's so
well documented that it's not even up for debate", well we are here debating it,
with or without your permission. Where are these documents that you reference.
Gopherus provided us with the treaty of Tripoli, what do you have to refute it?
I think the more famous people you know (in entertainment, buisness, politics,
etc) the more you realise they are all just like you and me, but in some
instances life has just dealt them some different cards in life or they just
played their cards differently. I went off to college with a friend
who became a famous doctor. We were good buddies from childhood, took the same
classes, got the same grades, hung out with the same crowd. Now when we get
together or I see him in his white coat in the hospital it makes all these
imortal-physicians just seem normal everyday people to me.I've come
to be close friends with some famous musicians, politicians and business men in
my life and I'm always amazed at how normal and common they are once you get to
know them.I think it's the same for the President. He doesn't have
to be some imortal super-human-being from birth. He needs to be like us, but
with proven leadership skills, integrity and most of all... willing and able to
take on this super-important responsibility and let his Presidential
duties/decisions/situations/associations/etc build him into the
super-great-leader he has the potential to become.
If religion destroys this country it will be the religion of "government is
god", and if you believe in God you cannot speak on a public issue because
religion and government together is prohibited.
What we need to hope for is that the Democrats do not control both Congress and
the White House. I don't care who runs which, but studies have shown that when
they are NOT controlled by the same party the economy does best.I
think it has to do with stupid infighting.
Good to see the Obama apologists out in full force this morning. It's too bad
that many of you haven't read Obama's words or seen his press conferences. He
thinks of himself as the "Anointed One". He's an arrogant jerk.He
may have gone to "self-proclaimed good schools" but he isn't smart; he's not
intelligent; he has no reasoning skills; he picks poor friends to associate with
for over 20 years; he's a mess.Where did Obama's "new and improved"
Presidential seal go? the guy is a pompous windbag who can't speak without his
teleprompter.I'm really mystified at the worshiping practices of
those of you who are Obama fanatics. He brings nothing to the table; nothing and
yet you agree with him that he is the new Messiah.As for the country
being founded on JudeoChristian beliefs; that's so well documented that it's not
even up for debate. You can continue to deny the facts all you want to make
yourself feel better but facts are facts and they are there for you to learn and
This Democrat candidate is the Messiah BS is yet another cute buzz phrase that
neocon guru likes to repeat over and over again to his mind-controlled flock.It never stops.
This country was not founded on religion. It was founded on the tenet of
freedom for all. It was founded on our Constitution. This country will be
destroyed by religion if we are not careful.
This country is not based on the idea "that we believe in God, even Jesus
Christ."It clearly doesn't state this in the Constitution. If that isn't
clear enough for you check out the Treaty with Tripoli. "As the Government of
the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian
religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion,
or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any
war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the
parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an
interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." Yes, this was
ratified by the Senate and signed by the President (John Adams).
Just a couple of points of disagreement:1. I am a devout Christian
who accepts Jesus Christ as my only hope of surviving beyond this life. But I
have to admit that there is no mention of Jesus Christ in our Constitution. I
think the founders specifically wanted it that way.2. The Congress
does not "run the country". There are three branches of government, the
executive, the legislative and the judiciary. The problems created in recent
years have come about because many or most who serve in those branches have
forgotten that concept of shared power and have abdicated it to one or the
other.3. I'm glad to see the writer acknowledging that we are
electing a mere morotal. Not a religious leader, but a poltical leader who will
guide our country - and the world - in a moral path that recognizes people of
all faiths or of no faith - whichever one chooses.
And the republican vice candidate thinks her corny religion trumps your corny
Hate to burst your bubble, but many of the founding fathers were deists.And hate to burst another bubble (okay, so I actually enjoy bursting ignorant
bubbles) but one of the main reasons this country was founded was for economic
reasons--so that the states would have free trade. Religion is mentioned in the
Bill of Rights--but just fleetingly.And Obama's not the Messiah any more.
The Messiah is now some woman from Alaska.
PJHave you not heard? The Democrats' candidate IS the Messiah Wow! PJ, I was surprised to hear you think the Democratic candidate is the
Messiah! I didnt realize that you thought so highly of Sen. Obama. As for me,
Jesus Christ is my Messiah; Sen. Obama is a highly educated, very intelligent
man seeking the office of the Presidency of the United States.
We get what we deserve. Our Congress and President is a reflection of our
collective stupidity. If we elected other parties then the competition to keep
a job would mean that the congress would have to perform. The Pepublicats and
Democans are not going to change the political corruption. They are making to
much money of the current arrangement.
TO PJ : What a snide, cynical remark to make about Obama. You reveal more about
yourself than you do about him. Whether or not one votes for Obama, I think all
Americans should take pride in this historic election, and rejoice in the
progress we have made as a nation in the nomination of both an african american,
and a woman. History is being made on both tickets. Do you worship your party so
much that you cannot see any good at all in the opposing candidate ? This kind
of rhetoric is NOT good for America, and I hope we can learn to discuss the
issues without this adolescent name-calling. Of course, it is much easier to do
that than to take the time to study the issues and candidates, and make an
informed decision. Your brand of sarcasm is really nothing more than trash talk.
Both McCain and Obama have gone through nearly two years of tough campaigning,
have put themselves on the line every single day, and deserve our respect, even
if we disagree with their ideas and policies.
"Remember, we are not electing a king or a god but a mere mortal. Let's keep
things in perspective."Have you not heard? The Democrats' candidate
IS the Messiah