Utah NPR has civil discourse and usually tries to get all sides on most of the
shows. The baloney on the cable networks (Fox, Msnbc, CNN) is mostly
sensationalist drivel that spends more time on Brittney than on anything of
What made you think Fox and NPR had anything in common.Guess where
he heard that BS?You guess it - The Rush Limbaugh Show!Limbaugh hates NPR and PBS. He uses the usual John Birch Society rhetoric:
"They are socialistic" and of course, the stupid neocon fans believe every word.
You compared Fox and NPR?What made you think they had anything in
common?I don't watch much Fox at home, but it's on all day in the
lobby at my work. The one area where I give profs to Fox is... They try to
delineate between their news programming and their opinion/entertainment
personality shows. Some channels, like MSNBC and some network Sunday morning
programs (in my opinion) pretend their program is impartial news, but it's not,
which is off-putting to me.I think PBS has the same problem. They
air many "News" talk-shows that seem to take themselvs seriously but in my
opinion are almost as biased as some more toung-in-cheek Fox programs. PBS does
have some very good serious news programs though.
Why do you suppose it is that so many Utahns sound exactly like Rush Limbaugh
clones, especially with their non-stop attacks on liberals, the Kennedy's, the
Clintons, the United Nations, etc. and yet nobody ever listens to Rush Limbaugh
3 straight hours per day, 5 days per week and reruns on weekends?LOL!
"So conservatives are the only ones who have painted their opponents in a
negative light?"I listen to NRP out of San Francisco. This is the
same city Mike Savage lives in. They aired the GOP convention without
interruptions.There's a black program at midnight. They aired only
black conservatives. These conservatives talked about why they were
conservatives. There was no talking over them. They weren't cut off. They were
thanked. There was a great interview with Barry Goldwater Jr. He was
given time to talk. There were no attacks. I gained a respect for him and his
father.Compare this treatment to how liberals get treated on Fox.
My family were once oppressed Mormons. I agree with many
conservatives. I will not be part of Limbaugh or Fox News. I like civility. I'm against any group that singles out another group to blame for their
problems."It is convenient for the liberals to blame everything on
Rush. That way they don't have to take responsibility for their failure. "It's
Rush's fault."It's not Rush, you had free will. I listened to Rush.
I uncovered too many lies. Trickle down is a lie. As it worked?
Utah claims it the most conservative state in America (indeed it is the
reddest).Rush Limbaugh is the high priest of conservatism.Part of
Limbaugh's repetoire is making fun of people with incurable diseases (ie.,
Michael J. Fox) because they are "liberal" - a word that Limbaugh demonizes in
every phrase he speaks.Utah has the honor of being his largest radio
audience.Nobody in Utah claims to listen to Rush Limbaugh.LOL!
It is convenient for the liberals to blame everything on Rush. That way they
don't have to take responsibility for their failure. "It's Rush's fault". If you have an excuse, you don't have to improve.
There you go again! Accusing me if having a mind of mush and not having any
substance. Then you make a generalized statement with NO substance about all
conservatives. I have many liberal friends. Not all of them feel
so superior as you seem to.Go ahead, tell me again how much smarter
Kerry is than Bush, or Obama than McCain, or Gore than anyone else in this
world. I've heard it all before. When Dems quit looking down their
noses at anyone who disagrees with them, they may begin to connect with common
Americans again. But as long as they look down their noses at middle America as
bitter Americans who "cling to their guns and their religion with antipathy to
all those who don't agree with them" they will suffer embarrassing defeats.The stars are all lined up for the dems this year, so why is Obama
falling further and further behind in the polls? It's those darned bitter
Americans again. I hope that the senate and house democrats ride Obama's
coattails down to defeat.
Call it whatever you want but the fact remains that the largest listening
audience of that nasty Rush Limbaugh Show is none other than the Utah.Some of the posts above prove the negative influence this terrible man has
over so many people.He appeals to the lowest common denominator and
the extremists of Utah hasn't let him down yet.
And your posting wasn't Propaganda?To me your posting was more
mindless than anything I've ever heard on Rush (and I'm not a regular listener,
I just catch him occasionally when I'm in the car with my father in law at the
right hour). Not enough to get brain damage.Many things Rush says
actually make sense to me and are based on actual events and facts (of course
laced with a heavy dose of opinion, bias, ego and yes even humor).Actually I don't consider what you and Rush do as "Propaganda". I think
"Partisan Rhetoric". describes it better.But if you think your
shtick is somehow more forthright and unbiased than Rush's, your smoke'n some
baaaad stuff.I wish more on the left could try to understand the
conservative philosophy and not just dismiss it out of hand as "Inspired by
Rush" or some other wing-nut. To me it makes perfect sense. It's the same
philosphy my parents and grandparents had (and they came LONG before Rush).Blaming it all on Rush is not productive (but I think you already know
The fact that Big Al (in his best Rush Limbaugh impression) can only come up
with how pesky "the left" is and nothing else of substance to add clearly shows
the symptoms of a mind turned to mush.Conservatives simply operate from
their emotions - never from any intellect or logic.Look who they
elected to office the last 8 years.
You'all take personal resposibility out of the equation. This is a great
country for those who are willing to work hard and get and education or skills
nessasary to make a good living.Many who are on welfare are too lazy to
get up and do something about it. Why should they with propagandized dupes like
you around guilting the worker bees into thinking they shouldn't have most of
what they earn.Karl Marx: to each according to need, from each according
to minds to mush:I do not listen to Rush because I am at work during
those hours. But your post just shows the propoganda of the left, if you don't
think exactly like the rest of us; it is because your mind is mush, you are not
as enlightened as us, or you are just plain rednecks.The lefts sence
of superiority to everyone who does not believe exactly what they tell them to
believe is unreal. No one can agree with Rush unless they are braindead. The left does not have a monopoly on such thoughts, however, I remember
the right commenting about the two thirds of us Utahns who voted to throw out
vouchers, how they were duped by the UEA. It is just the same as the left
crying that everyone on the right is duped by Rush.
Recognize propaganda?Easy.Just listen to Limbaugh for a minute or
so.I can't see how anyone can stomach this guy for 3 hours a day, 5
days a week. (More Utahns listen to The Rush Limbaugh then any other regional
audience)Their minds must surely be mush and not ever aware of it.
The main (and serious) problem is that our society - from the government to
religions - have drilled into everyone's heads that answers are good, but
questions are bad.You don't need to question - which would lead you
to your own conclusions - because we'll just tell you all the "answers".And your first answer is that we are always right.
So conservatives are the only ones who have painted their opponents in a
negative light? I'm pretty sure liberals are just as proficient at it. Your
tirade is just as much propaganda as anything any neo-con has said. Your
propaganda compared conservatives to Nazis and liberals to innocent Jews. That
is the most ridiculous crock I have heard in quite a while. Both sides have huge
problems. The decision of the common person is which is the lesser of two evils
since both are simply seeking power. I haven't quite decided, but your argument
certainly didn't help.
Let's think about this.If we believe those who seek (or hold) public
office, the purpose of education in America is so that Americans can "compete
favorably in the global economy." This is something politicians are not afraid
to say because Americans expect them to say it. We believe in it and have made
it reality.Now, what kind of an economy can survive very long if
people don't constantly buy things? What kind of economy will survive the demise
of advertising?And what is advertising if not propaganda? So, what kind of economy will tolerate thoughtful, propaganda-resistant
people? And if the purpose of education is to provide a competitive advantage in
the global economy, you can be assured that there is at least one thing that our
schools will absolutely fail at.When I can drive home without seeing
a billboard, when I can listen to meaningful political or civic discourse that
is not interrupted every 10 minutes for laundry detergent or Viagra; when our
political conventions are no longer celebrity-watch burlesques where delegates
go to listen to reason instead of hyperbole, then I will say that we have become
a people unaffected by propaganda.
Beware of those farmers, who if they have two tractors, one powerful and in good
condition, the other much less powerful and not in good condition, who require
both tractors to do the same work.Likewise beware of politicians who
want to tax very wealthy corporate heads, more than the single mom janitors who
clean their offices, they should both be taxed the same amount.I
totally agree with you. If we would all work hard and smart we would all be
corporate heads, there is no excuse for being poor.
Beware | 7:19 a.m The purveyors of the noble lies do focus groups to see how
their ignorant masses react to words. You don't know what Marxism is and I'm
sure you haven't read Das Kapital or majored in government. The
obvious facts are that the word "socialism" strikes fear. Another
word, "ownership," polls very well is focus groups. We have a nation
that identifies with ownership and looks at socialism negatively. By
definition one can't earn five million thought free enterprise and work and be
termed a socialist.You've just showed us that the noble lie works.
You have started to believe nonsense is true because your emotions have been
skillfully played by propagandist.Ed, liberals don't like hate and
fear mongering. I listen to NPR out of SF. They covered the GOP convention.
When, they carried interviews with republicans they let people talk. They never
cut a mic or used screaming to drown them out. After the interview they didn't
start clarifying or excusing, they politely thanked them.Liberals
like art, literature, music, science and more. Conservatives find mental
stimulation hear talking points endlessly repeated or hearing Nancy called
names. Conservatives like bullies who name call.
I Ultra bob has a good point. Are state sponcered "Don't Spead" and "Buckle
your seatbelt" commercials propaganga?We have to use our brain to
decide what is "Good" and what isn't... Even with propaganda.
The first thing to learn about propaganda is that every thing you see and hear
from a human being is propaganda. It started with your mother.Fortunately you have a built in defence mechanism called a brain. If you
develope the ability to think and reason you can readily cope with
propaganda.Propaganda is not always bad, sometimes it can actually
help make your life better. Like religion for instance.
Chad, Republicans seem pretty comfortable with their black/white
worldview, their "clarity", their "belief in the existence of evil" and all
that. By comparison, liberals regularly tout nuance, shades of
grey, etc... There isn't much of an audience for liberal talk radio if you
haven't noticed. Is it safe to say that the side that killed a
bunch of people is the evil side?
to BEWARE @ 7:19 --- Excellent example of propoganda. Thanks.
to I Have Already, you have obviously bought into the liberl propoganda as much
as conservatives have bought into that propoganda.One of the key
signs of propoganda is dealing absolutes. So when you assert that ABSOLUTELY
"neocons" are evil and ABSOLUTELY liberals are the only intelligent, honest and
angelic people on the planet, well that is propoganda.NO ONE has all
the answer, or all the evil, or all the good. If you can't recognize that (and
it appears big chunks of american cannot) then our country is in a truly sad
state.We get better through cooperation and collaboration, from
"leveraging diversity" as the liberals put it. That is true, but the way it is
so often applied in politics is "diversity is fine as long as you all agree with
me".That is not just hypocritical, but self-destructive. No wonder
we have wandered so far from the ideals of our founding fathers. We have been
led there by the dems and repubs and their immature school-yard spats and their
inability to approach problems intelligently, and to leverage true diveristy to
get to the best answer possible, not just the one the elite of either side want.
My only disagreement with the letter is its suggestion that recognizing
propaganda is a skill that should be developed in college. I believe it is a
critical skill that should be a requirement for graduation from high school!
We used to propagandise externally, through outlets like Radio Free Europe, VOA
and Radio Marti. Now we do it internally, and even our own shortwave broadcasts
are laden with religious fearmongering and hate speech. It's sad. As noted
earlier, Goebbels knew what he was doing, and others have learned.
of those who COVET what others have and who rationalize that if they have more
than you, then it is FAIR for the govt. to seize a part of what they have earned
and give it to those who have not.Carl Marx is standing right in front of
the Democrat Party and they don't notice, or they don't care to notice.
You mean I shouldn't take what Rush says about Obama, that I should protect my
wallet if Obama gets elected president, when all he really said is that he would
roll back the Bush tax cuts on those who make over $250,000 per year? and he
will lower taxes on everyone else?Is this the propaganda you are
talking about or something else?
I read about Dr Joseph Goebbels to get a better feel for how Karl Roves and the
conservative thought machine worked. Dr Joseph Goebbels points it all out. Sell
patriotism and wars. Use religion liberally. You can find Nazi cartoons that
mocked Jews and made Jews look sinister. Compare this to the image of liberals
that conservatives have created. You need to study the
neoconservative movement and Leo Strauss. Leo was the father of neoconservatism.
Leo believed that this new conservatism would be control by conservative
intellectuals. They would use noble lies to control their masses. After you read this read about (Psychological Operations )pychops. There's a
army field manual on the Web.