Demos vow to push new economic stimulus plan

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  • Dan
    Sept. 11, 2008 5:42 a.m.

    Suffer under no illusions...the "government" is in the spirit of giving during the upcoming vote buying season. Bureaucrats know that when their election candidates are weak (Obama is about as presidential in manner and speech as a deflated beach ball) and they see another election slipping away, they can always try to improve their election victory odds by buying us off with our hard earned money. Who knows perhaps even a few of the more gullible amongst the "ignorant masses" will fail to see through this ruse and actually vote for the party promoting the giveaway.

    The campaign phiolsophy of both parties....make poor decisions contrary to the "common good"...decisions that enrich oneself, family, friends, curry favor with cronies and special interests who you've sold out to cheap (you get money/favors and they get big money/big favors in return).

    When running for elected office candidates amass millions to win jobs that pay paltry salaries. Clearly there are alternate payments in kind somewhere else eh?

    Don't get me wrong - we have the greatest system in the world, it's just that to even the most casual observer government, on all levels, needs mandatory periodic housecleaning.

    Tis the season!

  • Typical liberal
    Sept. 10, 2008 6:41 p.m.

    Ohhh more freebies from the government.

    The government must love me more than rich people.

  • lost in DC
    Sept. 10, 2008 4:10 p.m.

    Not a zero sum game, I'm sorry if my prior statement was not clear as I don't think you understood what I said. The New Deal accomplished a lot, as you rightly state, but when unemployment was still at 14%, you cannot say it ended the depression.

    The point of my statement was that FDR's New Deal did not end the depression, WWII did. I said nothing about the amount of work done by the public works projects because they did not end the depression; the depression and its end being the topics under discussion.

    I agree that FDR's New Deal produced a lot in the way of public projects that were of benefit then, and some of which continue to benefit us. I did give FDR credit for stopping a Russian style decline into communism. We are not in as much disagreement as perhaps you would wish.

  • Not a zero sum game
    Sept. 10, 2008 1:03 p.m.

    lost in DC. I love people with no knowledge of history. What did the New Deal accomplish? It built roads, dams, documented an anthology of American music and employed writers who documented America.

    Can I mention Juanita Brooks here? She was part of a government works project. Any Utahan with a Mormon past should read" Quicksand and cactus" She wrote about Dudley Leavitt, Jacob Hamblin and others.

    Back to Damns. The power from the New Deal Bonneville Project produced the Aluminum that manufactured American aircraft for World War II.

    I'm the liberal that wrote telling my representatives to keep their $600.

    Roosevelt feared a revolution like the Russian revolt. Part of the New Deal was to defuse panic. Defusing panic keep the communist at bay.

  • lost in DC
    Sept. 10, 2008 11:50 a.m.

    Milo P. Otis, I would argue that FDR's policies did not end the depression, as "re:Milo P Otis" said, it was WWII that took unemployment to 2%. What FDR's policies did do was take us far enough down the road to socialism that the wobblies and others of their ilk couldn't push us to the failed concept of Marxism and communism.

  • For Real?
    Sept. 10, 2008 10:49 a.m.

    Congress has been in the hands of democrat majority since Nov. 2006 and only now are they starting to think about doing something about this wretched economy? It's laughable to see what the lobbyists are getting through via these democrats congressman and senators. Their agenda is lightyears away from the urgent and pressing issues which are given major lip service by both presidential candidates. Has their ploy been to do nothing, blame Bush and take the White house in 2008? Looks that way to me. This two party system isn't workin' for us.

  • Madden
    Sept. 10, 2008 9:25 a.m.

    Hooray, more proof that BOTH parties are out of touch and more than a bit crazy.

    Get the incumbents out! We need a dose of common sense, and neither of the big parties' leaders will provide it.

  • Re: Milo P Otis
    Sept. 10, 2008 9:22 a.m.

    Whether the New Deal actually worked or not is debatable. Some of the policies were great, while some were so outrageous they worsened the situation or were ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. I do find it interesting to note that unemployment in 1940 was still at 14%, and it took the war effort over the next three years to lower it to 2%.

    Personally, I'd rather see the government try to make a thoughtout decision instead of a stopgap that continues to add to the deficit, and therefore continues to weaken the dollar, increase inflation, etc..

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 10, 2008 8:38 a.m.

    Hate to say this but I don't see any $600 check making any difference in our economic woes.
    Too many people.
    Not enough good jobs.
    Cheaper manufacturing done in 3rd World countries.

  • lost in DC
    Sept. 10, 2008 8:22 a.m.

    Bob G., well said.

    Since Bushs stimulus package gave only a short-term boost to the economy, we can debate whether or not stimulus packages even work.

    But leaving that debate aside, lets look at the different approach to stimulus packages. Bushs package allowed us, the taxpayers, decide how we were going to spend the money the government took from us in the first place (along with money they borrowed from China). The dems want the government to decide how that money is spent. Bush we decide, dems government decides.

    Personally, Id rather spend my stimulus money on my family than have some politician who is beholden to various special interest groups put it into the pockets of his campaign contributors.

  • Milo P Otis
    Sept. 10, 2008 7:53 a.m.

    Franklin Delano Roosevelt's "New Deal" was designed to stimulate the economy of 1933 to 1938. It was designed to help the poor, revive the economy. Interestingly enough, the Roosevelt administration sought banking reform - sound familiar?

    If you want to know more, look it up: New Deal on Wikipedia. It (The Democratic plan) worked once, it can work again.

  • Re: Bob G
    Sept. 10, 2008 7:22 a.m.

    Re: "Bob G".....Is this a great country, or what?

  • Bob G
    Sept. 10, 2008 3:29 a.m.

    Instead of government borrowing more money to give to americans they should be asking why we aren't spending and find a solution for it. The reason we aren't spending is because we don't have the money. And why don't we have the money to spend? Stagnent wages, inflation, corporate profiteering with massive profits, higher taxes on stagnent wages, and low paying jobs that the illegals have actively subversed by being activly employed and preferential job discrimination. Illegal aliens have crushed jobs for americans and fair pay with pay raises to stay up with inflation. Illegal aliens and employers not paying taxes on income for social programs like the IRS and the SSA as well as state income taxes. The illega mexicans are living in a freebie lifestyle where government is treating them as if they deserve all that the american people spend their lives working for. The illegal mexicans think we owe them a socialistic form of free and untaxed services. American workers are treated as second class 3rd world workers where business and government are destroying the american dream for the american people. Getting rid of illegals in the workforce and deporting them would stimulate economic growth.

  • John Maynard
    Sept. 10, 2008 1:57 a.m.

    This Keynesian economics approach to economic weakness has been tried too many times without any real success. Spending tax dollars in the fictitious "government multiplier" only adds debt but doesn't actually correct weakness.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 10, 2008 1:16 a.m.

    Being a liberal; lets not rush into a big spending solution just yet. I don't want to mimic selfish conservatives. That think this out first. I've witnessed eight years of mindless politics.