Maybe in a 15 minute segment. But if you extrapolate: To work and back in
one day will be aproximately 4.7 x 1 week of work is about 20-25 minutes over 1
month saves you close to 2 hours of time. I can do a lot with 2 hrs.
The whole thing is a farce...a day late, and as always, a dollar short. When
will UDOT, the sate, and the national highway system ever get ahead of the
curve? Never...they are way behind it...they are always working on yesterday's
problems...not even the present's, let alone for the future's. Keep dreaming
Legacy will not make any consequential difference!
What makes you think this will remain a "parkway"?? I say its a bait n switch,
because when it comes to the environment anything is negotiable in this state. I
say give it a few desensitizing years and more lanes, sound walls, and
billboards will be added to legacy to make it a real Utah freeway. And as for
55mph, depends how much money the state troopers can drag in. If not too much
then speeds will also be increased.
14 miles at 55 miles per hour takes 15.27 minutes.14 miles at 65 miles per
hour takes 12.92 minutes.2.35 minutes slower at 55. That is not much extra time.
At last we have some relief from the rush hour congestion we had to face every
night just to get home.I would like to propose that we name a small part
of I-15 after Rocky Anderson. Just so we will have something to remember him
and all his cry baby, foot dragging, meddling he had no right to be involved in.
I can think of a few places that he would come to mind when traffic was going
about 5 mph for the length of one of the white lines on the pavement. Lets have
some feedback what section we could call "The Rocky Creep along" or "The Rocky
Don't get too excited commuters, studies indicate your net gain to Farmington
will be 7 minutes. Bountiful residents will gain even less...very disappointing
I initially felt that 55 mph was too slow and that UDOT and the state could have
negotiated a 60 mph limit with the environmentalist. But after reading your
article about a Parkway not a freeway, it made be begin to think about the
purpose of driving. Driving has usually been a pain, about speed, about trying
just to burn rubber. Yet your article made me reflect on what our always on the
go society really means to me. As I grow older, physically, it seems that
perhaps I'm letting life go by too fast. 55 mph seems fast enough, especially
considering what speeds I sometimes end up going on I-15. With all the
construction stress, I think a little slower on the pedal might not be a big
idea for my health and mental sanity after all.
For those complaining about Legacy Highway being in their "backyard," was Legacy
Highway planned before or after you built or moved into your home? Can't
complain if the Highway was planned first.
Clare:There is no magic in going 55mph. You can drive a suburban
55mph and a Civic 75mph and guess which is going to get better gas mileage? yes
I know, its comparing apples and oranges. But if people are going to save on
gas, get a better car.If we both drive the same car 100 miles, I get
off the road, 30 min quicker, if I happen to be going to work, well thats about
20$ I make, as opposed to wasting time. Easily buying the amount of gas you
claim to save. Or going home, 30 minutes more time I can accomplish something
useful.And don't get me wrong, I drive a fuel efficient car, plus
thinking about getting a motorcycle to lower my costs more. And save time by not
being in traffic and able to go as fast as I feel safe.
People don't chosse to live 40-60 miles from work there forced because city
planners zone all the job away from housing because people complain about the
I drive south on I-15 every afternoon and watch the Davis County-bound parking
lot on the other side. There aren't any cars there moving anywhere near 55 mph.
The parkway sounds like a great improvement to me. Enjoy!
@KR Says it, 1:19pm:The problem doesn't really stem from
UDOT/Leavitt and the environmentalists disagreeing on the road. That wouldve
happened anyway.I blame Leavitt/UDOT because their plan also didn't
follow the rules set by the EPA and Army Corps of Engineers. You know, those
guys who make the actual rules people are supposed to follow.You say
that they planned according to the solution it was supposed to provide, but
that's only half the battle. You can't ignore the other rules out there just
because you've got a lofty goal of.. Oh yeah. Providing a solution.I spent some time laid off a few years ago. It was tough. Robbing banks
couldve "provided a solution". Getting my point yet?The
environmentalists did what they do. They stood up for what they believe in.
Leavitt/UDOT's job was to avoid giving them an opening. Had they followed the
laws in place, you'd have had your Legacy three years ago. Environmentalists file lawsuits all the time which they lose, because they
believe in it. When they won this one, why do you not blame the people who
Driving at 55 mph is very good for gas consumption. You can save a lot of money
by driving slower. I drive a Hybric Civic and easily get close to 50 mph and I
do this by driving 55 mph when allowed. I can understand raising the speed
limit when you're out of an urban area, but I hope that they catch A LOT of
people who speed on Legacy and anywhere else! More money for our highways and
law enforcement! Teach people to obey the law.
Leavitt and UDOT knowingly violated environmental standards- and they were
warned that their proposal would be challenged legally. They should have paid
more attention to the law if they wanted speedy resolution of the parkway
proposal. Their stubborn inflexibility held up the parkway and their legal
ignorance lead to the forced compremises which, in the end improved the product
immensely.I don't think the 55 speed limit will be a problem-
drivers will be aware that the I-15 option is available if they want to drive
faster.And, I for one do not have all that much sympathy for people
who choose to live 40-50 miles from work and then feel put out of place then
they have to deal with traffic. There are alternatives- but to expect everyone
else to have to build you a quick route to work when you choose to live 50 miles
away is not right. I always lived within a mile or so of work- and walked to
If 'planned perfectly' means turning hundreds of homes into practically
un-sellable real estate then 'KR says it perfectly' got it right! People have
this idea that Legacy is some beautiful, serene 'nature walk'. IT'S NOT! There
are no berms to block noise..the road IS, in fact, raised. Which means that all
the noise those cars are going to make (and already make), resonates into the
once peaceful neighborhoods lining this irritating road! I love my nature just
as much as the next person, but would it really kill all those environmentalists
to put in SOMETHING to block the noise?
Those who claim the delay was due to UDOT or Mike Leavit because they didn't
originally plan it right, you are simply wrong! It was planned perfectly right
from the beginning for the solution it was intended to provide. What you really
mean is they didn't plan it right according to the wants of the special interest
groups and that of the sierra club. I hail Mike Leavitt for having the right
vision from the beginning, and am pained by the delays, costs, and limiited
alternative we now have several years later.
Thrilled is right. UDOT isn't even TRYING to beautify near the homes that it
races past. What a joke. We've been watching the construction guys go cruising
down the BIKE paths at 35 - 40mph. No wonder they didn't want any bikes on
it.The road was supposed to have a berm to direct the noise away
from the homes that it borders. Instead, it's elevated, so the sound goes right
into our neighborhood. And no, it's not silent. You can hear the single cars
coming a mile away. And to think that we'll have ten thousand a day. Wow. Thanks
UDOT! Anyone want to buy a new home?
You'd have a difficult time subjecting us to those two hour commutes considering
we have the good sense to live less than 50 miles from work...
Hey Rodfather. Surely you jest. You don't go any where in the Seattle area
fast. You must live down town and walk to work. At least Utah does something
about their traffic problems. If it were Seattle, they would still be talking
about it. I will say that traffic does move faster in Seattle that does getting
things done. Seattle does have special problems with all the water. However,
nothing gets DONE! How long has the Alaskian highway been under discussion?
Hopefully, will be returning to Utah next year.
Don't like all the traffic on the freeway? Use mass transportation. I have,
for over 20 years, and I am rarely stuck in traffic on the freeway. More mass
transportation and less gas-guzzling polluting cars and trucks! Use your head,
people and save yourselves thousands of dollars!
Why do we drive on a parkway and park on a driveway??Thank goodness "rocky the
flying squirrel"has left the building!!!!
Thanks a lot rocky, sierra club, and all of the other invironmental groups who
get their funding from misguided folks with more money than brains.$682,200,000 in taxpayer dollars!!!! They spent our money for a park, as if we
don't have enough diversions when driving. It's supposed to be a highway for
cripes sake.As for you abused Davis County folks, I am sorry for all of
your suffering, and the horrible waste of energy due to your two hour commute in
stop and go traffic, I only wish there was some way to subject all of the people
who delayed this project and grossly inflated the cost to the same miseries that
you folks have suffered for way too long.
I wasn't aware that environmentalists were responsible for a beautiful highway.
I thought their contributions were,1) a delayed highway2) a narrower
highway3) more expensive highwayLets be honest here.
should have been finished 5 yrs ago. thank you rocky and sierra club. what a
To cb: That is just what I was thinking. Just another blood
alley..........They should have speed traps everywhere. The money raised from
fines should reimburse the tax payers for this parkway. The speed limit should
be strictly enfored....
this "parkway" is a shadow of what it should have been. we are now stuck with a
55mph nightmare brought to us by the extreme left environmental groups, the
meddling democrats who want us all to walk everywhere, and the special interest
groups who made a quick buck off the state in litigation. i hope
everyone can enjoy this road but never forget we all were sold down the river
with no paddle. the interests of the minority trampled on the majority and they
did it with a smile knowing they were screwing the rest of us.i am
grateful for UDOT sticking to thier guns and building a much needed relief for
I-15 too bad we ALL took it in the seat because the democrats and thier cronies
insist they know better than everyone else.
If you want to blame someone for the delays on the Legacy Highway blame his
royal highness Mike Leavitt for having tried to ram the project through without
following the mandated guidelines for protecting the land and wildlife.
Remember Mike Leavitt? The guy who gave Utah's magnificent fishing waters
whirling disease? Now that's quite a legacy. . .
Sure I leave the area and you finally do something to fix transportation. I now
live in a city of 3.5 million and I still get to work faster in Seattle than I
ever did in SLC and traffic is this city is horrible. Congratulations everyone.
Enjoy the smooth ride.
This article said there is an 8 inch pipeline to water the plants that will be
along legacy highway. Since Utah is a water short state wouldn't it have been
wiser to use native plants that don't require water?Also, I-15 is so
ugly, the sound walls are ugly except in SLC. Why can't all freeways be more
attractive like legacy? Are we that cheap that we can't put in a little extra
money to beautify our suroundings?Many sound walls on I-15 were put
in several feet from the border of the freeway, narrowing the freeway. Now when
expansion needs to be done, there will be less ability to add lanes or have a
safe amount of land on the side for cars that need to stop. This is short
sighted thinking at its worst.One more thing, Toll Roads are a
really bad idea, make the gas tax greater, I don't want a state criscrossed with
toll roads, they have those back east and they are terrible. They might solve
other problems, but to say they are good is go ignore all their bad qualities.
Yes, let's credit those who insisted on this being a "parkway." First of all...
it's not that different from what was originally proposed. Secondly, it WILL be
a cash cow for law enforcement at only 55 mph. And thirdly... was it worth the
delays and nightmarish extra costs? Know the facts! That money could have gone
to a lot of other things people complain are "short changed" in this state, ie
education. Legacy was the greatest fundraiser the environmental cause has ever
had in this state.
to Geezer:Truer words were never spoken. Of course, if
UDOT and Mike Leavitt hadn't insisted on cramming this down everyone's throats,
even with the knowledge that their impact statement was fatally flawed (and the
EPA themselves warned Leavitt of that), Rocky & and the Sierra Club could never
have won their lawsuit.Thanks, Mike and UDOT! Due to your blind
stupidity, we got a much better road than you ever wanted us to have. And thank you, Rocky Anderson, Sierra Club, and the other assorted
environmental groups who I am forgetting, for standing up for your principles
and forcing the issue.And to everyone who's going to point out the
extra cost that was spent because of the delay, and blaming Rocky and Co., i
say: The environmentalists werent the ones who knew this was flawed and pressed
on. Nor the ones who signed contracts with construction companies, knowing
full-well the highway was on crumbing legal ground. That was your elected
officials, costing you several hundred million bucks. For a lot
of you, its merely easier to blame a Democrat for being right than it is to
blame a Republican for being wrong.
@Cash Cow 654am:You make it sounds like enforcing a law is a bad
thing. Sorry you feel like you have to go wherever you go at 80mph and this
will screw you up. Just deal with the laws and you won't have a problem with
the cops, now will you?
Parkway is right, going 55 miles an hour is like being parked. It will be the
same speed trap as Bangerter Highway.
I have to agree with Geezer--when I look back at what might have been if the
people like Lynn de Freitas hadn't spoken up we would have done our usual blow
and go destruction. We owe her and her associates a huge thank you, and it would
sure be nice if UDOT would acknowledge that at every "award" they get for the
project. And Leavitt should have to pay for his premature speculation that cost
the project 200 million dollars. This is on his back but was conveniently passed
on as the fault of those who made sure the road was done right. He will surely
get the credit but none of the blame. But to those stewards of the Great Salt
Lake who made sure this was done right, bravo! Thank you for your care of your
magnificent place. UDOT and the people of Utah owe you a lifetime of apologies
Blah Blah. Who cares about all of the scenic aspects really? The main purposed
of the high should be to get cars and trucks to and from their destinations in
the fastest, best way possible. All this other stuff was a waste of money. The
enviromentalists, including Rocky bullied UDOT into make this unecessary
Wow, that's a lot of money for 14 miles! That's our tax dollars they're
If this truly is a trailway/highway.. Where is the trees, shade, covering from
the intensity of the sun...? Quite sure it shall be a scenic route in the middle
of nowhere, otherwise...
they should have a robot cop in both directions in working order to catch
Does the trail system connect with roads in Salt Lake City? The real question
-- Will it be possible to ride a bike from the start of the trail in Farmington
to downtown Salt Lake?
If only we could have illuminated signs that say "no Rocky" - he should be
banned from this beautiful and needed highway. Shame on him and others who
caused this to come 10 years later than it should have and cost the taxpayers
millions more. Thanks to those who made it possible - finally!
There's something missing here. Where's the credit for those who insisted on
changing this to a parkway? Looks like UDOT is happy to take the credit, with
only a vague reference to "legal delays." Let's thank the people who made it
This road will be a cash cow for the highway patrol... Special enforcement is
not being considered? I'm sure they are already drooling over the fact that some
folks will be going 75 and 80 miles and hour. It will be all too easy to pull
people over speeding in a "55 mph" zone.
This road was real triumph for Utah thanks to the efforts of environmentally
concerned groups, who pushed for doing this project right, and not just blindly
ramming it through. Although it must have been hard for the builders to listen
to groups spouting phrases like "multimodal answers".
Cool! A better commute and incentive to save gas.
What will be the fines for 18-wheelers using the parkway and when will
violations be inforced?
I'm looking forward to driving the new highway...
I will finally be able to drive to SLC from Davis County without my morning rant
of "thanks Rocky!" YAHOO!!