3 more indicted in Texas FLDS probe

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  • Anonymous
    Aug. 22, 2008 10:26 p.m.

    The part that makes me angry is most of these women are on food stamps and aide because they claim to be single mothers. They don't pay property taxes because none of the poperties are finished If the home isn't finished on the outside they don't pay taxes. I teach my children that if you have to hide what you are doing IT IS FLAT OUT WRONG!

    The other thing that I don't get about the women is how do you have children with someone and then let someone else tell you that your spouce isn't worthy and you let them reassign your and your children to someone else. The grass isn't greener on the other side!

  • re observer
    Aug. 22, 2008 5:45 p.m.

    can you really not see a difference between a girl sneaking out to do something bad behind her parents back versus a mother that delivers a 12 yr old to a 50 yr old?

    can you really not see a difference between "fornication and adultery" versus training little girls to accept having to be married at a very young age and foregoing their entire future?

    you need to put a little more thought into it...

    by the way - no one cares about polygamy. You hide from the world because you think we care about that. We would much rather you live next door to us with 5 wives and 50 kids. At least that way, the wives and kids have a reasonable way to get out if they are abused, or if they simply don't like all the ridiculous rules. Way out in the sticks, hidden from everyone, lord only knows what kind of weird things you are doing to your children. They have nowhere to run for help, since everyone is doing the same nasty things to their own kids.

    you have your own little prison camp running out there, with no way for people to get out.

  • Our Ancestors
    Aug. 22, 2008 5:13 p.m.

    I don't think polygamy amongst our ancestors was so very different than what we see going on with the FLDS. In my own family my gggrandmother was forced to marry her father's friend at FIFTEEN years old and he was 45 years old. There are several disturbing stories in my family history amongst "good active upstanding" citizens. By their fruits ye shall know them. The fruit stinks then and now.

  • tigerlily
    Aug. 22, 2008 4:58 p.m.

    to whats wrong here----90% of utahs government are from polygamist background. so they will not prosecute for polygamy.

  • observer
    Aug. 22, 2008 4:22 p.m.

    "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers and magistrates, in obeying, honoring and sustaining the law" which the FLDS completely ignore." Did you know it is also illegal to commit adultery and fornication in most states? I guess that makes most folks out there guilty of breaking the law. Why is that ignored? Why is it ok for a 10 yr old to get pregnant from her 13 yr old boyfriend and get an abortion? Why are her parents and not indicted for not protecting her? And yet when a young FLDS lady to chooses to be sealed to a responsible man and SOMEDAY have relations with him, you are all disgusted to high heaven and want her parents locked up for good! Hypocrites!
    You are all asuming that because these girls have been married that they automatically have been abused. You judge these people from your own hearts.

  • re Finally
    Aug. 22, 2008 2:54 p.m.

    don't make the women out to be so innocent. Some of these mothers stood by while their children were handed off to pedophiles like pieces of meat.

    they need to take some responsibility for this. They could have prevented their children from being abused by the church and they didn't.

    And don't ask "how?" - you use whatever's handy when protecting a child. They spend plenty of time in the kitchen - no shortage of items in that room. And they're resourceful - they could even make their own pepper spray.

    if nothing else, they need to stand up and protect their children in the future - through whatever means necessary. These are your children. Stop letting your church force you to abuse them.

  • re - wrz 12:51pm
    Aug. 22, 2008 2:45 p.m.

    I guess, if they have that much to hide, and have done things that are that bad, then yes, they should all take the 5th. That's the whole point of the 5th amendment - so criminals don't have to implicate themselves.

    too bad these women care more about their husbands and their church than they will ever care about their children. I don't even see why they care if the kids go to foster care. They can always have more, and they'll still have the people that they REALLY care about - their leaders, their husbands, and their jailed prophet.

    if they cared about their children, they would put the blame squarely where it belongs - on their husbands, leaders, and Jeffs - and then they'd be free from all the pressure. They'd live happily ever after while the pedo's all went to jail. And eventually the brainwashing would fade, common sense, morals, and decency would take over, and we'd have a happy ending.

    If only the women would stand up and tell the truth instead of protecting the very people that put them in court in the first place.

    using your own words - The Truth will Prevail

  • Finally
    Aug. 22, 2008 2:12 p.m.

    Finally they are getting the men. I am so tired of everyone blaming the victims, or the women, just because they are Moms...they probably became Moms because they were raped themselves, then brainwashed into subservience. Yes, it happens all the time. Their only fault was innocent trust.

  • common sense
    Aug. 22, 2008 2:09 p.m.

    kids in Flds dont have much education other than a select few. Like Dr Barlow whose been indicted. Most are laborers only. Or breeders of children.
    Shameful, totally Shameful!!

  • Southern Utah Eye yer knee
    Aug. 22, 2008 1:51 p.m.

    It is very, very ironic that you defenders of FLDS child-rape speak of "immorality" and a "broken system."

    Also, would you pro-FLDS bloggers at least learn how to spell? (E.g., "Moslam" is spelled "Muslim"). Do they teach spelling in Colorado City schools?

  • wrz
    Aug. 22, 2008 12:51 p.m.

    These people should all cite the Fifth Amendment up front. Then suggest to the jury, "if there are any other questions please direct them to my lawyer?"

  • JND
    Aug. 22, 2008 11:16 a.m.

    Utah, Arizona, and Colorado all to gutless to follow in Texas' footsteps. Bunch of weenies!

  • common sense
    Aug. 22, 2008 11:13 a.m.

    And how bout some decent education? Arent parents responsible to see their children are educated at least through the 12th grade? FLDS dont do that. And how bout following the law? Flds dont do that either.
    How bout paying taxes like the rest of us? Has IRS looked into their tax return if they HAVE any?
    How bout stopping the inbreeding? Deliberately having children the taxpayers pay for who have fumerase disease.

  • to Re Grand Jury 9:07am
    Aug. 22, 2008 11:03 a.m.

    we don't care if you're mormon, hindu, muslim, indian, african, asian (oriental is not a race nor religion - although I understand you don't get out much), or any other religion or race. If you abuse children we will track you down and do our best to stop it - including putting you in jail and taking your children.

    and forcing young girls to marry 50 yr olds is abuse. the sooner you figure that out, the better off you will be. (And the way better off your children will be.)

    haven't you yet figured out that you brought all this on yourselves? Are you REALLY still trying to blame other people?

    Please try to take some responsibility in your life. I know you weren't brought up that way, but then that's probably a lot of the problem. If nothing else, take responsibility for your children by protecting them for the likes of Warren Jeffs and Merril Jessop...

    Giving them a little freedom probably wouldn't hurt either. Atleast they'd know there's a big world out there.

  • common sense
    Aug. 22, 2008 11:02 a.m.

    All Willie Jessop has done is make matters worse since he arrived. I hope Merrill and Barbara Jessops names are on that list. I think Abram Jeffs name will be. One the bishops list in 2007 it shows he had a 16yr old wife on YFZ, but he could of married her at 14. Who knows. Old MEN perverts!!

  • 5th Amendment--part 2
    Aug. 22, 2008 10:52 a.m.

    I don't have a problem with polygamy among consenting adults of similar age. Some of my ancestors were polygamists.

    I draw the line when free agency is compromised, as it is with these young girls. Current FLDS practice is a perversion, set up to the benefit of the older men. The people are taught to treat them as gods (at least, until Warren kicks them out), but they are not worthy of the worship. The women, and especially the young girls groomed to be the child brides, and the lost boys run off to make it possible, are the sacrificial victims.

    It turns my stomach to see old men taking girls the same age as their granddaughters as wives. It is abuse! Pictures of Warren Jeffs intimately kissing the 12 year old girl said it all. There is no rationalization that can make this righteous in the sight of God.

    When are the good people among the FLDS (and there are many) going to realize that this system is not of God? You FLDS bloggers, when are you going to activate the conscience God gave you, and clean up your own situation rather than defend the indefensible?

  • VF
    Aug. 22, 2008 10:43 a.m.

    The FLDS claims to be the true "LDS" church and they also claim to use the Book of Mormon, the D&C and the Pearl of Great Price. However, the 12th Article of Faith says, "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers and magistrates, in obeying, honoring and sustaining the law" which the FLDS completely ignore.

    Our congress passed laws in the 1800's that made polygamy illegal. The TRUE LDS church did away with polygamy and obeys the laws of our great nation while the FLDS church completely ignores the laws of the land and does what ever they decide to do, including polygamy and the horrible mental distruction of their children.

    Our Savior told us to beware of false prohpets and that "by their fruits ye may know them." Whatever the leaders of the FLDS church and the parents of the children being put into marriage at an age in which they should still be in in middle school or high school deserve whatever punishment they receive.

  • re -Chai 3:00am
    Aug. 22, 2008 10:43 a.m.

    why are you quoting scriptures from a book written by men? This has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with child abuse. And if you think we are not going to "rejoice" when a child abuser goes to jail, you are sorely mistaken...

  • GoodGuyGary
    Aug. 22, 2008 10:40 a.m.

    Please please, let FLDS do whatever they want. Where is their human rights?

    Aug. 22, 2008 10:39 a.m.

    Why doesn't Utah commence a grand jury. There is certainly plenty of probable cause to believe crime(s) have been committed in the polygamist community and that law enforcement has broken down in the enforcement of the law. That is the criteria for a grand jury in Utah. Come on Mr. Attorney General. It is time to get after it.

  • 5th Amendment
    Aug. 22, 2008 10:41 a.m.

    Barbara Jessop found out that taking the 5th Amendment doesn't work too well. For the FLDS, it's the cute and trendy thing to do, but by taking the 5th, and refusing to answer critical questions, she outsmarted herself and basically made the case for the state to remove her 14 year old daughter from her custody.

    I suspect that all of these girls taking the 5th was in part responsible for these additional indictments, and I suspect more will follow.

  • organized religion
    Aug. 22, 2008 10:23 a.m.

    Organized religion has NEVER, throughout history, done anything but cause massive pain and abuse. I'm trying to figure out why people still belong to religious groups. It has nothing to do with God. I guess misery likes company...

    It's too bad none of you have figured out how to worship God without being a sheep.

    If an FLDS family moved to a regular house in a regular city (and wore regular clothes), no one would even notice them. Why do you people want to draw so much attention to yourselves? Is it because you want to make sure that your neighbors are like you and will not report abuse to the police? If you abuse your child, then your child can't run next door and tell someone, because your neighbor (another FLDS) is doing the same thing anyway?

    If you would stop breaking the law, then you'd have nothing to worry about. And polygamy isn't the issue, so if you're hiding because of that, well, that's just stupid. If gays can marry, then you can certainly have more than one wife. Just do it in the open so your children have opportunities to choose their own way.

  • Donn
    Aug. 22, 2008 10:21 a.m.

    The way the grand jury is set up you could get a monkey indicted for murder because the D.A is the only one allowed to present evidence and he will not lie yea.

  • realitycheck
    Aug. 22, 2008 10:11 a.m.

    re "Re: Grand Jury 9:07am" -

    wow - nice speech.
    "they will not even know they are incriminating themselves." what? All we are asking for is the truth. So are you saying these women have been committing crimes, and you're worried about them getting caught? I thought you all were confident in their innocence?

    As far as kings and noblemen goes - unfortunately for you, we're not in the 15th century, and if you had bothered to join the 21st century you would know that.

    Even if there was no sex, you are forcing little girls to forgoe all future and marry someone that you brainwashed into accepting. They have NO IDEA what life on the outside is like, nor what opportunities in life they are giving up.

    All they knows is that the people they trust the most are telling them that this is their destiny. THAT'S CHILD ABUSE. You don't get that? That's not religion. That's slavery.

    You've been brainwashed, and now you want to brainwash these kids. Why don't you try to break the vicious cirlce of abuse instead.

    Texas wants to help the children and you want to steal their future. I take Texas.

  • getreal
    Aug. 22, 2008 10:03 a.m.

    Maybe Willie decided not to talk because all his previous talking is what got him hauled in front of the grand jury.

    We should know in a few days who was indicted for what. And the grand jury meets again in late September.

  • Sam
    Aug. 22, 2008 9:56 a.m.

    I am not going to play around with casting stones at these FLDS men, I am going to cast mountains of BOULDERS at them!

  • Linda
    Aug. 22, 2008 9:38 a.m.

    I am so sick of Flds. These men make me sick at my stomach. The more I learn and read about this Flds cult the sicker I become. This trashy life style really needs to stop for the sake of the children.

  • Cameron
    Aug. 22, 2008 9:38 a.m.

    Chinese officials just clarified: They're actually all 18. Barely. Whew! That was a close one.

  • Chuckles55
    Aug. 22, 2008 9:37 a.m.

    For me, the concept of plural marriage is not a problem. However, underage marriage is. If the FLDS men feel it is their duty to live with more than one woman, so be it. However, when it comes to having marital relations with young girls, that is definitely NOT OK. The FLDS men undoubtedly understood this when they went into their marriages with 12, 13 and 14 year-old girls and knew that they were flaunting the law.

  • Jane
    Aug. 22, 2008 9:31 a.m.

    GET THEM ALL! Stop this sick abuse of women.

  • WBM5
    Aug. 22, 2008 9:24 a.m.

    "This has been a very painful process for the people," said FLDS member and spokesman Willie Jessop. "It's certainly had a tremendous toll on everyone involved. My heart certainly goes out to every one of these girls involved."

    Okay, so are they girls or women? I think it is demeaning to call them girls when at 12 the are "old" enough to become a wife and a mother according to their beliefs.

    Message to Mr. Jessop and all the other FLDS....Stop playing the media!

    and another point his heart goes out to them for this when the themselves have brought it upon them. Stop forcing young women to have sex with old men. Stop abusing girls! My heart goes out to all the girls forced/brainwashed into a relationship that they do not have the skills to understand.

  • PearlMae
    Aug. 22, 2008 9:21 a.m.

    I am with the other posters pertaining to Merrill Jessop. I hope like heck...his NAME is on the list also. What a sicko...the welfare of his own little girl meant nothing to him. I gather from Willie Jessop's demeanor...these little girls mean nothing to him either.

  • Re: Grand Jury
    Aug. 22, 2008 9:07 a.m.

    Yes! Yes! Yes! If these girls are as secluded as every one keeps saying they are, then they will not even know that they are incriminating themselves.

    What a corrupt legal system we have where the guilty CPS go free and others are persecuted for religious beliefs! Notice, any other group be it hindu, moslam, indian, African or oriental do not get the same treatment for their beliefs, no matter what they are.

    Also, isn't it interesting that all through history, kings and noblemen, prophets etc. had betrothals even at the time a child was born. Just because someone is meant for someone else, does not mean any sexual relation went on.

    People generally judge out of what is in their own heart. Since the American population has had a rich diet of blood, guts and immorality for their entertainment, they judge that that is the way it is. NOT SO!!!

  • Grand Jury
    Aug. 22, 2008 8:37 a.m.

    No Lawyers allowed
    A trick to get evidence that other wise would not be learned
    The 5 th ammendment is the best way to go
    The Judicial system is broken and the people are pawns

  • Annonymous
    Aug. 22, 2008 7:30 a.m.

    When religions go bad, everyone suffers. It is about time for this religion to eliminate their brutal practices. I had school friends who belonged to this sect and they were terrified of everything and everyone. I'm glad this is being stopped.

  • Cats
    Aug. 22, 2008 7:24 a.m.

    Witnesses in grand jury proceedings are not allowed to take attorneys in with them to testify. Only the prosecutor, the grand jury and the witnesses are present during the proceedings. And, Willie Jessop could certainly have talked about what went on inside. The Grand Jurors and the prosecutor may not discuss what goes on, but the witnesses may talk about anything they want to. So, Willie just chose not to talk. That's unless the law is different in Texas than it is in other states.

    It will be interesting to see who's indicted. I hope Merrill Jessop is brought to justice. He has sold his little twelve year old to Warren Jeffs in order to gain status and power within the FLDS Church. His wife Barbara is complicit in it. I hope they are both brought to justice. Anyone else who is guilty of these crimes deserves the same.

  • Happy
    Aug. 22, 2008 6:35 a.m.

    I do not understand why these ladies lawyers did not accompany them into the courtroom. The article says they escorted them to the door.

  • Chai
    Aug. 22, 2008 3:00 a.m.

    Proverbs 24:17 Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth: Lest the LORD see [it], and it displease him...

  • Easttroy
    Aug. 22, 2008 12:52 a.m.

    Any guesses as to who is on this list?

    I'm thinking it's not yet the women. I'm not sure their charges will be felony charges.

    I hope Merrill is on this list, but I think it'll probably just be more men who had children with their underaged assignments.