The part that makes me angry is most of these women are on food stamps and aide
because they claim to be single mothers. They don't pay property taxes because
none of the poperties are finished If the home isn't finished on the outside
they don't pay taxes. I teach my children that if you have to hide what you are
doing IT IS FLAT OUT WRONG! The other thing that I don't get about
the women is how do you have children with someone and then let someone else
tell you that your spouce isn't worthy and you let them reassign your and your
children to someone else. The grass isn't greener on the other side!
can you really not see a difference between a girl sneaking out to do something
bad behind her parents back versus a mother that delivers a 12 yr old to a 50 yr
old?can you really not see a difference between "fornication and
adultery" versus training little girls to accept having to be married at a very
young age and foregoing their entire future?you need to put a little
more thought into it...by the way - no one cares about polygamy.
You hide from the world because you think we care about that. We would much
rather you live next door to us with 5 wives and 50 kids. At least that way, the
wives and kids have a reasonable way to get out if they are abused, or if they
simply don't like all the ridiculous rules. Way out in the sticks, hidden from
everyone, lord only knows what kind of weird things you are doing to your
children. They have nowhere to run for help, since everyone is doing the same
nasty things to their own kids.you have your own little prison camp
running out there, with no way for people to get out.
I don't think polygamy amongst our ancestors was so very different than what we
see going on with the FLDS. In my own family my gggrandmother was forced to
marry her father's friend at FIFTEEN years old and he was 45 years old. There
are several disturbing stories in my family history amongst "good active
upstanding" citizens. By their fruits ye shall know them. The fruit stinks then
to whats wrong here----90% of utahs government are from polygamist background.
so they will not prosecute for polygamy.
"We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers and magistrates, in
obeying, honoring and sustaining the law" which the FLDS completely ignore." Did
you know it is also illegal to commit adultery and fornication in most states?
I guess that makes most folks out there guilty of breaking the law. Why is that
ignored? Why is it ok for a 10 yr old to get pregnant from her 13 yr old
boyfriend and get an abortion? Why are her parents and not indicted for not
protecting her? And yet when a young FLDS lady to chooses to be sealed to a
responsible man and SOMEDAY have relations with him, you are all disgusted to
high heaven and want her parents locked up for good! Hypocrites!You are
all asuming that because these girls have been married that they automatically
have been abused. You judge these people from your own hearts.
don't make the women out to be so innocent. Some of these mothers stood by
while their children were handed off to pedophiles like pieces of meat.they need to take some responsibility for this. They could have prevented
their children from being abused by the church and they didn't. And
don't ask "how?" - you use whatever's handy when protecting a child. They spend
plenty of time in the kitchen - no shortage of items in that room. And they're
resourceful - they could even make their own pepper spray.if nothing
else, they need to stand up and protect their children in the future - through
whatever means necessary. These are your children. Stop letting your church
force you to abuse them.
I guess, if they have that much to hide, and have done things that are that bad,
then yes, they should all take the 5th. That's the whole point of the 5th
amendment - so criminals don't have to implicate themselves.too bad
these women care more about their husbands and their church than they will ever
care about their children. I don't even see why they care if the kids go to
foster care. They can always have more, and they'll still have the people that
they REALLY care about - their leaders, their husbands, and their jailed
prophet.if they cared about their children, they would put the blame
squarely where it belongs - on their husbands, leaders, and Jeffs - and then
they'd be free from all the pressure. They'd live happily ever after while the
pedo's all went to jail. And eventually the brainwashing would fade, common
sense, morals, and decency would take over, and we'd have a happy ending.If only the women would stand up and tell the truth instead of
protecting the very people that put them in court in the first place.using your own words - The Truth will Prevail
Finally they are getting the men. I am so tired of everyone blaming the victims,
or the women, just because they are Moms...they probably became Moms because
they were raped themselves, then brainwashed into subservience. Yes, it happens
all the time. Their only fault was innocent trust.
kids in Flds dont have much education other than a select few. Like Dr Barlow
whose been indicted. Most are laborers only. Or breeders of children.
Shameful, totally Shameful!!
It is very, very ironic that you defenders of FLDS child-rape speak of
"immorality" and a "broken system."Also, would you pro-FLDS bloggers
at least learn how to spell? (E.g., "Moslam" is spelled "Muslim"). Do they teach
spelling in Colorado City schools?
These people should all cite the Fifth Amendment up front. Then suggest to the
jury, "if there are any other questions please direct them to my lawyer?"
Utah, Arizona, and Colorado all to gutless to follow in Texas' footsteps. Bunch
And how bout some decent education? Arent parents responsible to see their
children are educated at least through the 12th grade? FLDS dont do that. And
how bout following the law? Flds dont do that either. How bout paying
taxes like the rest of us? Has IRS looked into their tax return if they HAVE
any? How bout stopping the inbreeding? Deliberately having children the
taxpayers pay for who have fumerase disease.
we don't care if you're mormon, hindu, muslim, indian, african, asian (oriental
is not a race nor religion - although I understand you don't get out much), or
any other religion or race. If you abuse children we will track you down and do
our best to stop it - including putting you in jail and taking your children.and forcing young girls to marry 50 yr olds is abuse. the sooner you
figure that out, the better off you will be. (And the way better off your
children will be.)haven't you yet figured out that you brought all
this on yourselves? Are you REALLY still trying to blame other people?Please try to take some responsibility in your life. I know you weren't
brought up that way, but then that's probably a lot of the problem. If nothing
else, take responsibility for your children by protecting them for the likes of
Warren Jeffs and Merril Jessop... Giving them a little freedom
probably wouldn't hurt either. Atleast they'd know there's a big world out
All Willie Jessop has done is make matters worse since he arrived. I hope
Merrill and Barbara Jessops names are on that list. I think Abram Jeffs name
will be. One the bishops list in 2007 it shows he had a 16yr old wife on YFZ,
but he could of married her at 14. Who knows. Old MEN perverts!!
I don't have a problem with polygamy among consenting adults of similar age.
Some of my ancestors were polygamists. I draw the line when free
agency is compromised, as it is with these young girls. Current FLDS practice is
a perversion, set up to the benefit of the older men. The people are taught to
treat them as gods (at least, until Warren kicks them out), but they are not
worthy of the worship. The women, and especially the young girls groomed to be
the child brides, and the lost boys run off to make it possible, are the
sacrificial victims. It turns my stomach to see old men taking
girls the same age as their granddaughters as wives. It is abuse! Pictures of
Warren Jeffs intimately kissing the 12 year old girl said it all. There is no
rationalization that can make this righteous in the sight of God. When are the good people among the FLDS (and there are many) going to realize
that this system is not of God? You FLDS bloggers, when are you going to
activate the conscience God gave you, and clean up your own situation rather
than defend the indefensible?
The FLDS claims to be the true "LDS" church and they also claim to use the Book
of Mormon, the D&C and the Pearl of Great Price. However, the 12th Article of
Faith says, "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers and
magistrates, in obeying, honoring and sustaining the law" which the FLDS
completely ignore.Our congress passed laws in the 1800's that made
polygamy illegal. The TRUE LDS church did away with polygamy and obeys the laws
of our great nation while the FLDS church completely ignores the laws of the
land and does what ever they decide to do, including polygamy and the horrible
mental distruction of their children.Our Savior told us to beware of
false prohpets and that "by their fruits ye may know them." Whatever the leaders
of the FLDS church and the parents of the children being put into marriage at an
age in which they should still be in in middle school or high school deserve
whatever punishment they receive.
why are you quoting scriptures from a book written by men? This has nothing to
do with religion. It has to do with child abuse. And if you think we are not
going to "rejoice" when a child abuser goes to jail, you are sorely mistaken...
Please please, let FLDS do whatever they want. Where is their human rights?
Why doesn't Utah commence a grand jury. There is certainly plenty of probable
cause to believe crime(s) have been committed in the polygamist community and
that law enforcement has broken down in the enforcement of the law. That is the
criteria for a grand jury in Utah. Come on Mr. Attorney General. It is time to
get after it.
Barbara Jessop found out that taking the 5th Amendment doesn't work too well.
For the FLDS, it's the cute and trendy thing to do, but by taking the 5th, and
refusing to answer critical questions, she outsmarted herself and basically made
the case for the state to remove her 14 year old daughter from her custody.I suspect that all of these girls taking the 5th was in part responsible
for these additional indictments, and I suspect more will follow.
Organized religion has NEVER, throughout history, done anything but cause
massive pain and abuse. I'm trying to figure out why people still belong to
religious groups. It has nothing to do with God. I guess misery likes
company...It's too bad none of you have figured out how to worship
God without being a sheep.If an FLDS family moved to a regular house
in a regular city (and wore regular clothes), no one would even notice them.
Why do you people want to draw so much attention to yourselves? Is it because
you want to make sure that your neighbors are like you and will not report abuse
to the police? If you abuse your child, then your child can't run next door and
tell someone, because your neighbor (another FLDS) is doing the same thing
anyway?If you would stop breaking the law, then you'd have nothing
to worry about. And polygamy isn't the issue, so if you're hiding because of
that, well, that's just stupid. If gays can marry, then you can certainly have
more than one wife. Just do it in the open so your children have opportunities
to choose their own way.
The way the grand jury is set up you could get a monkey indicted for murder
because the D.A is the only one allowed to present evidence and he will not lie
re "Re: Grand Jury 9:07am" -wow - nice speech. "they will not
even know they are incriminating themselves." what? All we are asking for is
the truth. So are you saying these women have been committing crimes, and
you're worried about them getting caught? I thought you all were confident in
their innocence?As far as kings and noblemen goes - unfortunately
for you, we're not in the 15th century, and if you had bothered to join the 21st
century you would know that.Even if there was no sex, you are
forcing little girls to forgoe all future and marry someone that you brainwashed
into accepting. They have NO IDEA what life on the outside is like, nor what
opportunities in life they are giving up. All they knows is that
the people they trust the most are telling them that this is their destiny.
THAT'S CHILD ABUSE. You don't get that? That's not religion. That's
slavery.You've been brainwashed, and now you want to brainwash these
kids. Why don't you try to break the vicious cirlce of abuse instead.Texas wants to help the children and you want to steal their future. I take
Maybe Willie decided not to talk because all his previous talking is what got
him hauled in front of the grand jury. We should know in a few days
who was indicted for what. And the grand jury meets again in late September.
I am not going to play around with casting stones at these FLDS men, I am going
to cast mountains of BOULDERS at them!
I am so sick of Flds. These men make me sick at my stomach. The more I learn and
read about this Flds cult the sicker I become. This trashy life style really
needs to stop for the sake of the children.
Chinese officials just clarified: They're actually all 18. Barely. Whew!
That was a close one.
For me, the concept of plural marriage is not a problem. However, underage
marriage is. If the FLDS men feel it is their duty to live with more than one
woman, so be it. However, when it comes to having marital relations with young
girls, that is definitely NOT OK. The FLDS men undoubtedly understood this when
they went into their marriages with 12, 13 and 14 year-old girls and knew that
they were flaunting the law.
GET THEM ALL! Stop this sick abuse of women.
"This has been a very painful process for the people," said FLDS member and
spokesman Willie Jessop. "It's certainly had a tremendous toll on everyone
involved. My heart certainly goes out to every one of these girls involved."Okay, so are they girls or women? I think it is demeaning to call
them girls when at 12 the are "old" enough to become a wife and a mother
according to their beliefs. Message to Mr. Jessop and all the other
FLDS....Stop playing the media!and another point his heart goes out
to them for this when the themselves have brought it upon them. Stop forcing
young women to have sex with old men. Stop abusing girls! My heart goes out to
all the girls forced/brainwashed into a relationship that they do not have the
skills to understand.
I am with the other posters pertaining to Merrill Jessop. I hope like heck...his
NAME is on the list also. What a sicko...the welfare of his own little girl
meant nothing to him. I gather from Willie Jessop's demeanor...these little
girls mean nothing to him either.
Yes! Yes! Yes! If these girls are as secluded as every one keeps saying they
are, then they will not even know that they are incriminating themselves. What a corrupt legal system we have where the guilty CPS go free
and others are persecuted for religious beliefs! Notice, any other group be it
hindu, moslam, indian, African or oriental do not get the same treatment for
their beliefs, no matter what they are.Also, isn't it interesting
that all through history, kings and noblemen, prophets etc. had betrothals even
at the time a child was born. Just because someone is meant for someone else,
does not mean any sexual relation went on. People generally judge
out of what is in their own heart. Since the American population has had a rich
diet of blood, guts and immorality for their entertainment, they judge that that
is the way it is. NOT SO!!!
No Lawyers allowedA trick to get evidence that other wise would not be
learnedThe 5 th ammendment is the best way to goThe Judicial system
is broken and the people are pawns
When religions go bad, everyone suffers. It is about time for this religion to
eliminate their brutal practices. I had school friends who belonged to this sect
and they were terrified of everything and everyone. I'm glad this is being
Witnesses in grand jury proceedings are not allowed to take attorneys in with
them to testify. Only the prosecutor, the grand jury and the witnesses are
present during the proceedings. And, Willie Jessop could certainly have talked
about what went on inside. The Grand Jurors and the prosecutor may not discuss
what goes on, but the witnesses may talk about anything they want to. So,
Willie just chose not to talk. That's unless the law is different in Texas than
it is in other states.It will be interesting to see who's indicted.
I hope Merrill Jessop is brought to justice. He has sold his little twelve year
old to Warren Jeffs in order to gain status and power within the FLDS Church.
His wife Barbara is complicit in it. I hope they are both brought to justice.
Anyone else who is guilty of these crimes deserves the same.
I do not understand why these ladies lawyers did not accompany them into the
courtroom. The article says they escorted them to the door.
Proverbs 24:17 Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be
glad when he stumbleth: Lest the LORD see [it], and it displease him...
Any guesses as to who is on this list?I'm thinking it's not yet the
women. I'm not sure their charges will be felony charges. I hope
Merrill is on this list, but I think it'll probably just be more men who had
children with their underaged assignments.