Re: Chris Plummer - - I FULLY concur with Chris, and would suggest to ALL LDS
members to investigate the doctrine of the LDS more fully. As for the medium of
"ACTUAL FACTS," I would HIGHLY recommend a book titled, "The Mormon Illusion"
(ISBN-10: 0825431921 and ISBN-13: 978-0825431920) - - It does a VERY good job of
laying out the FACTS concerning the doctrine of the LDS Church.
RE: To Chris Plummer... I don't need to back up my facts. I just suggested she
check out the doctrine of her church more closely. The Deseret Morning News
comments sections doesn't give me the space needed to say what I need to say.
But certainly 10 minutes of your time investigating any claims made would prove
me correct. Bye now.
A LOT of my married-couple friends shop at this store. Officially the LDS church
stays out of the bedroom of adult men and women who are married. Singles may use
the shop too, but they will have the same sex anyway, with or without "marital"
aids.I have beed I.D.'d every time I have visited. I am LDS as well.
denice, i'm not sure how you correlate an adult novelty shop to deadbeat dads
etc... many people going into such stores are monogamous couples who just want a
little spice in their life. maybe you should check it out before posting such
"Would someone please tell me with statistics how in the world a sex boutique
selling novelty items and lingerie increases crime in the area???"Yes, this is the argument. But it isn't limited to Utah. The law is the
"sexually oriented business law" and it is designed to make opening adult
boutiques just as difficult and costly as strip bars.The law
requires onerous licensing rules and fees; and relegates the opening of such
stores into "warehouse" districts. This makes feasibility and profitability
difficult - serving the intended affect of making an owner think twice about
opening.Boutiques are OFF-PREMISE or "carry out" stores. The
boutiques I refer to have NO pre-view booths or any other on premise
activity.The customer may make a purchase and take it home. The SOB
law used data from strip clubs and peep shows that allow ON PREMISE activity.There are *NO* studies anywhere in the USA that have focused on ADULT
BOUTIQUE stores that feature take-home product only.And that is the
If it truly was a "sex boutique" or "sex shop" one could buy sex there.One can't.Please, D-News editors, aspire to some objectivity
rather than repeat the puritanical propaganda of John Harmer's Lighted Candle
Society.The industry uses "adult novelty" or "romance enhancement,"
but you don't need to use their preferred terms either.
If the city's true goal is to restrict sale to minors, why the 2-10am closure
requirement? Are kids up then doing their shopping and I've just never noticed?
I am LDS and I have to say that these in your face overly religious
politicians/judges need to get out of the 1800s and let people be adults to
choose for themselves! Many couples use these very clean and relatively tame
places to support their marriage and physical relationships! Freedom and
capitalism should be supported, NOT stomped out! These places are
already very strictly run for adults only and are very clean (nothing like what
you would find in a novelty shop in Vegas or even California!) You can find
lingerae and Trojans etc. at Wal-Mart and every retail store, and worse videos
on cable and satellite/local video stores, so are they next in line? These
politicans need to get off their high horse and take Utah out of the Dark Ages!
Dave, Bingo!!!!Only in Utah. It's legal. Only adults have access.
Store contents can be fun. No kids allowed. What in all that glorifies existence
is going on? Who gets hurt? Who will enjoy the store's contents and have happy
fun? If it's stuff to make people - adults - happy, why does the state and a
certain church care?1 - The state cares because Utah government is
run by the "church".2 - The "church" cares because allowing the
business to operate, it loses another control.Church/State. Arm in
arm.It's nobody's business but the buyer and the seller.Please, Utah, come in from the 16th Century.
How many women are you, Denice? Sorry, I digress. Sex shops don't cause the
problems claimed. They aren't even a symptom. We live in an unhealthy society as
far as sex is concerned.
Only in Utah would this even be a news story!! Would someone please tell me
with statistics how in the world a sex boutique selling novelty items and
lingerie increases crime in the area??? That is the most ridiculous thing I've
Patriarchal oppression?? I am laughing right now. Any woman in our society that
is being oppressed has only herself to blame. There are many supports in place
for women. No one has to be oppressed by a husband. On the other hand, I feel
very oppressed by evil men who are exploiting women for their own gain and
trying to pass it off as philanthropy. Give me a break. If you are as stupid as
you hope I am, "Dr. John", I feel sorry for you.
Why don't bigots like you quit throwing out firebrand rumors and innuendo and
backup your bigotry with real facts. Do you have any facts? Do you have any
proof to back up your malicious lies? If not then you are just that, a bigot
spouting falsehoods. We don't want your "thoughts." We want actual facts. Of
course, you have none.
Re:Denice Maybe you should take a closer look at your doctrine the LDS
church teaches. Just a thought.
Re: Well here we go again...Not committing adultery, not committing
fornication, not looking upon a women to lust after her is not only the will of
the church, it is the will of God! Any Godly person can see that!
...if it doesn't conform to the will of the church...that is unless you make
more monetary demands on the business.
I'm a women in Utah who is religious and there's no patriarchal oppression by
religious men in my church. Which is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints. The oppression comes from wicked men who have no respect for
women. Men who treat women as though they were sex toys. Men who don't read
their Bible and look upon women to lust after them. Women whom men claim they
love but as soon as they have defiled them, they leave them pregnant without a
husband to help raise and care for the children. They call these women Ho's and
all sorts of names when they themselves need to take the beam out of their eyes.
These men who are dead-beat dads and won't pay a stitch of child support
leaving these mothers to send their children to day care instead of nurturing
and caring for them themselves. You, John Coil, want to call that sexual
liberation. I call that sexual bondage. I have a child of my own and am very
glad that I'm married to a "religious" man who respects and honors women and
children! And he supports me and child! If that is oppression, give me