Dave,Are you going to support those who chose not to pay taxes to
Bountiful because they do not support this policy? After all, you have the
option of not doing business with a company that employs people with tattoos and
piercings, shouldn't the taxpayers of Bountiful have similar options?
They lose nothing.Do you really think there are no tattoo-ed city
employees that are not irreplacible?Do you really think the people
of Bountiful are going stop using city services because the Bountiful employees
don't have a visible tattoo?People on this board think and say some
the silliest things sometimes.All businesses including city
businesses have to be concerned about the image they put forth to their
customers or perspective customers.The first thing someone sees is
your appearance.And rightly or wrongly will make first judgements
about you based on that. Everyone does this.
KVC made a good point. Furthermore, we judge to protect and guide us. We all
judge. That is why we stereotype. My chances of being mugged if I avoid
individuals who would appear to be muggers are diminished. Sometimes I will be
wrong but I would rather be wrong than be maimed or dead. Sometimes I will be
mugged regardless. I try to minimize that risk. I also try to minimize my risk
to Hep C and avoid tatts. Each of us will choose some risk and avoid others.
We reap the consequences of our actions.
We just need a positive rollmodel for tattoos. If we could get
someone with a clean history, that does a lot of significant work, charity, and
is associated with upright morals, who is active in the world today, and have
them tattoo 25% of their body or put a nice big one on their neck to face, we
could improve the image of tattoos worldwide! However he/she cant
be associated with any groups that involve beating or hitting other people.
KVC....please stop with the insanity. You are not allowed to judge anyone for
anything at anytime. You are to love them, welcome them, hug them, open your
home and feed them, give them a ride to and from work, etc. etc.Judging anyone has been outlawed by the open-minded, intellectually superior
of the land.Really, please stop with the insanity....or you will be
judged for your remarks by those who don't want judging to happen for
KVC, you have a good point, and I agree with you. But we aren't talking about
dress here, we are talking about visible Tattoos. And of course there is a
sliding scale here. But we are talking about working for bountiful. If my city
worker has not visible tattoos, I'm not sure if I can trust em to fix the city.
I know. Its not like a majority of the people you see in prisons have visible
tattoos. Why would we associate bad choices with people who have decided on
visible ink markings? If the media didnt portray prisoners in such a way maybe
it could help the public tattoo "image". We should petition tv
shows to show clean cut, white shirt and tie wearing people working out in jail,
and use photoshop to edit out tattoos on criminals when they show on tv, like
that man with tattoos on his face that shot a cop and then tried to decapitate a
man in a restuarant. Its those few rough and tumble guys that give the
sensitive tattoo wearers a bad name.
Most of you do not seem to get the point. Why does someone dress like a punk and
complain because they are treated like one? it is the same as dressing like a
thug. You want people to think you are a bad gangster when it suits you but
complain when they get that same impression and treat you like one in other
situations. You can't have your cake and eat it too.If I had shown up for
my medical school interview in shorts and a T-shirt I would never have been
admitted, and rightfully so. It is common sense to be neat, clean and
professional when going to work. There is a reason people actually do wear suits
and dresses, because appearance matters. Would Obama have won the
Democratic primary if he went on the campaign trail dressed like your typical
rapper? Would he have gotten more than a handful of votes? Of course not, even
though he might be the same exact person inside. Just curious, how many
would want their daughter's teacher to dress like a Hooter's girl everyday and
encourage your daughter to dress the same way?
Wow, I thought worrying about insidious "gay agenda" was of time, but I was
wrong, very wrong. Mr. West has shown me what it truly means to fritter away
time and energy worrying about the lifestyle choices of others. Thank you, Mr.
West, for being such a fussy little man that it's actually forced a paradigmatic
mental shift in my mind.
Too bad everyone is so hung up on judging people by their outward appearance.
Will the same rules apply to women who have their make up tatooed on? It's ink
that's showing, or willthey have to wear a Burkah to work in Bountiful.I would have expected this from Utah county. I thought Davis county was a bit
more open minded.
Mahonri | 10:52 a.m.:"Now get rid of those sickening jewelry pieces
in the nose, tongue, lips and the odd row of metal hanging on the ears. Go to an
eatery and see one of those types and the appetite goes away fast."You should see what happens to the appetite when you go into an eatery and
see jewelry pieces in weird places.
You're right, Steve H. I know a kid who looks kind of scary because his hair,
piercings, and tattoos appear bizzare to your average Joe Blow, but he's really
not that scary at all.
There should be, but there's not.
If I'm having a heart attack, I will die rather than let a talented doctor with
a tattoo save me. :-)This is great. Let this be a learning moment.
To, too many appearance means more than your character or your skills. Don't whine to me when a person wearing a suit and tie who telling you want
you like to hear defrauds you.
Based on the reasoning of this letter's author, I think the Deseret News should
change the title of the Reader's Forum.I suggest "Cognitive
Now get rid of those sickening jewelry pieces in the nose, tongue, lips and the
odd row of metal hanging on the ears. Go to an eatery and see one of those types
and the appetite goes away fast.
I interview and hire a lot of people. First impressions matter. I also believe
in personal expression and that people should be who they want to be. That being said why is it that people come in for an interview looking like
crap? A lot of kids come in dressed poorly, looking unkept and want a job in a
professional organization. My favorite is a young lady that had a tongue
stud. She was interviewing for a customer service position.....in which she
would spend the majority of her time TALKING to customers. The stud she had in
her mouth was so large that it affected her speach. It was hard to understand
what she was saying. Now it was her right to have the stud, but in doing so she
destroyed her own interview and any chance to get the job.The bottom line
is that I dont really care about what people do to themselves as long as they
look professional. My customers expect my employees to look like they know what
they are doing.
Nothing says hug me like a big ol' face tattoo!
As a Btfl resident, I sure don't want to see a city cop with a tattoo on his
bare scalp. There should be a difference between a motorcycle thug and the
Equating tattoos to robbery is a very poor argument.It is funny how
tattoos and piercing scare people. I guess the author is scared.
Many employers have a dress code and standards that would prohibit visible
tatoos and piercings, swhich really aren't professional looking. You wouldn't
see a lawyer in court wearing flip flops and beach attire, either. There is
nothing wrong with the city of Bountiful having standards for their employees.
If you don't like it, don't apply there.
This policy is quite stooopid, but then fashion is the based on stupidity. From
the pants below the butt trend to powdered whigs to the suit and tie (yes, even
the fashion YOU conform to is stupid), ALL fashion is pointless and pathetic.
Clothes should be about function.That said, why would you pay someone
hundreds of dollars to draw a permanent picture on your skin that you wouldnt
put up on your wall? It cant be to show your individuality, because everyone has
If your goal in life is to work for the city of Bountiful, you've aimed low and
should hit the target.
How do you KNOW they are wearing jewelry in weird places???
Your analogy is false. You are comparing working for a city and having tattoos,
neither of which are criminal acts - to being a bank robber, which is a criminal
act.If you are so shallow that you will not patronize a business
because an employee might have a lip ring or stud in their nose, and yes it is
your right to do that, why draw the line there. Maybe you shouldn't patronize
businesses with obese or homely employees? I'll bet you don't like short,
red-haired people either, do you?
Recently, the U.S. Marine Corps adopted a policy regarding tattoos that is
similar to Bountiful City's new policy.
I do not think "right to work" means what you think it means.
While I can understand where Bountiful is comming from, they lose on this one.
"I personally do not support businesses that allow their employees to wear
jewelry in weird places..."I couldn't agree more. I think everyone
should take their jewelry off when entering weird places.
"Lost in DC" is right. We are not able to choose the consequences of our
choices. If we choose to shallowly shun people who have tattoos or piercings,
then we cannot control the results of such poor judgment.
I wonder if the City of Bountiful is going to do something about the obese
people working for the city? Obeseity is not professional & unlike a tattoo, it
actually impedes a worker from reaching their potential.
there are choices all around. We are free to make those choices, we are not
free to decide the consequences of those choices.
And you choose not to befriend and associate with a host of wonderful people.
Your loss dude.
People have jewelry and tattoo's in some awfully weird places. Are you going to
be the one to check them all?I have a child who has tattoo's and
gauged ears. It is an appearance and lifestyle choice on his part. Yet I know
many "clean cut" young men his age that I wouldn't trust. Despite their
appearance their morals and values are dishonest and evil. I always thought
actions truly defined a person's character but I guess it is really only how we
look on the outside.Is it any wonder why plastic surgeons in Utah
have such thriving practices?