More FLDS custody cases could be dropped by Texas

Disputes dismissed for lack of evidence; parents cooperating

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  • listening
    Aug. 13, 2008 10:28 a.m.

    I am not a member of FLDS, I am a Texas resident interested in what becomes of the FLDS group, their home and their lives in general. I do not believe much of what I have read in the papers, I do believe these FLDS men, women and children have a right to live their lives the way they want to just like everyone else does in Texas... "lives their life the way they want to"... I do not believe 12 year old children should be having babies with 55 year old men, so lets round up all of the men in the state of Texas who are doing just that... not just the FLDS folks... but for the record, I think they did put the right man in jail for being with an underaged girl (the leader of FDLS) but that was the exception to the rule...I do not think every single person at the Texas Ranch is guilty. Matter of fact, I think they are innocent and need to be left alone. If they are guilty of anything it's "how to live a good, wholesome, meaningful life." something the rest of the world could learn from them...

  • Lilathe
    Aug. 9, 2008 1:32 p.m.

    How a parent dresses their child is none of your concern either. I would much rather see these children in long dresses than other little girls in cheer leader outfits out doing sexual dances for drooling old men. Stop the sexual exploitation in dressing of little 7-10 year old little girls then go worry about a mother who teaches her child modesty and self-respect.

    Many FLDS women have college degrees. At least 4 from YFZ went to work as RN's after the raid. At least 8 have teaching degrees (those are just ones I have read articles about, there may be more)
    All the child care centers they were in when in CPS care said the FLDS children were "ahead" in their education than the public schooled children.
    They had class records taken by the government in the raid that were for 11th and 12th grade. Wonder why they had 11th grade classes if they stopped educating in 6th grade? How did they manage to go straight to college with only a 6th grade education?

  • Lilathe
    Aug. 9, 2008 1:28 p.m.

    re -re - zxcvbnm
    I will give you that the pics of Warren Jeffs kissing the girls are disgusting and he should be charged with kissing little girls in a disgusting manner. CPS had all the children medically examined when at the CPS compound. The girls medical records by GOVERNMENT paid doctors do not show signs of sexual abuse.
    There are NO allegations of children running away from the YFZ ranch ever. If you know of one, please post the link? There are no allegations of supposed "abandoned" boys in Texas.

    How many women a man sleeps with -- unless you want to start locking up every baby daddy in Texas that has more than one baby mama --- is simply none of your business. Do it across the board and DNA test every single baby born in Texas and match to "alleged" father or don't do it at all. Persecuation is when you single out one group of people and apply the law to ONLY them.

  • re - zxcvbnm 3:13pm
    Aug. 8, 2008 4:09 p.m.

    yes!! Leave the kids alone! There are no problems in the FLDS. What is wrong with you CPS people? Haven't you done enough damage already?

    It's not like we let 12 yr olds french kiss 50 yr olds. We don't do underage marriages. No one is forced to do anything, especially not marry their stepfather or uncle.

    So some kids run away. Happens everywhere. Just because the mom drives the boy to town with a suitcase and tells him don't come back doesn't mean anything. She's just trying to help.

    So what if we have 5 wives and 30 children in one house. Just because the father will get kicked out if there are any problems doesn't mean he's mean to anyone. He just uses tough love because he loves us (I mean loves the church.)

    We treat our children with love. They LIKE wearing long johns in the summer in Texas. They like what we tell them to like, just like all parents. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

    And stop with the education issue. No one needs more than 6th grade education and you know it.

    Leave us alone!!! We're just practicing our religion!!!

  • zxcvbnm
    Aug. 8, 2008 3:13 p.m.


    CPS logic is comical. They want to take a child away from a mother citing that the child, while staying with an Aunt, wanted to be with her mother.
    Reason for removing the child, the mother has not signed a paper promising to keep the child away from Merril Jessop. The State can't find Merril Jessop and ole Merril is not indited.
    On top of everything else CPS quotes charges made by Carolyn Jessop in her book when Carolyn has never been to YFZ much less SanAntonio, the present residence of the child or mother.
    The same agency that claimed 50+ pregnant teens when only two pregnant adults existed want us to believe that 10 or 15 formerly pregnant teens exist.
    Even the DNA is questionable according to recent reports.
    Keep up the good work Texas......save children that don't want to be saved from mothers they want to be with. Now how many formerly pregnant teens are there.......are you sure they have even had sex. Teresa Jeffs has already declared her virginity.

  • an understatement???
    Aug. 8, 2008 3:06 p.m.

    the irony is unsurpassed when FLDS talks about someone being unable to tell the truth....

    and helping children isn't an FLDS forte (unless marrying off your children to their relatives is considered "helping".)

    When you help them through college before you "help" them marry their uncle, stepfather, or cousin - then you can talk about other people.

  • An understatement!
    Aug. 8, 2008 2:15 p.m.

    "Statements and charges by law enforcement and CPS have not been reliable up to this point."

    That's an understatement! The state of Texas, and CPS in particular, seem unable to tell the truth, or to actually help any children without coming close to killing them. They have to cringe at the thought of actually grabbing up these children again, especially now that it's a matter of retaliation against the parents, and not an issue of safety. For this time they'll be doing it with news media looking on. They won't be able to grab up cellphones to hide what they're doing.

  • RL
    Aug. 8, 2008 1:07 p.m.

    What waste. Hysterical fools acting before thinking it all the way through, and now it was all for nothing. I notice now that the mothers are being proven to be fit, the national news is ignoring it. They were all over it when it looked bad. National media sucks.

  • zxcvbnm
    Aug. 8, 2008 1:02 p.m.


    Re Gal 50: Future risk........sex legal at 17....marraige to one person legal at 16.... those are the parameters that flds has stated pubicly that it will follow.
    Kinda settles the future risk issue. Jeffs will only go back to the ranch to be buried...solves that future issue too.
    Good old Merril will be found or die in a relatively short time. The 74 year old guy is probably not much of a risk for rape at this point anyway. I know that Viagra works wonders but hey.........the old ticker is probably ticking at its limit just to get him to the toilet.
    Lieing to buy land........ cows and a cheese factory are as agricultural as a game ranch and probably more profitable and if telling the truth to purchase property in Texas was a legal requirement Perot would be behind bars.
    Future risk for the girls raised in the church may be a moral, or religious issue for many but the law says a parent can raise their child in the parents religion.......it may be something you or I disagree with but hey.....that law applies to us all.
    We don't need religion police.

  • Gal50
    Aug. 8, 2008 11:34 a.m.

    The FLDS has presented a very difficult case. In court cases, the public has seen that the FLDS suffer "massive memory loss" This may be a standard FLDS tactic. When the FLDS bought land, it lied about the purpose of the purchases. Does the FLDS lie frequently or not?

    Now there appears to be ten girls who have been prematurely married. There are 15 Texas FLDS women with children that indicate a possibility of past statutory rape. Given this history, the promise to change the practice and the possibility of lying, no one can know with any certainty the level of future risk faced by FLDS girls.

    It appears that whether due to prejudice or the above risk, CPS moved to protect all of the children. The statute basically says that CPS can only protect children at risk now. CPS can make its best effort to discourage FLDS from future abuse, by temporarily seizing children, by pressuring families to stay off the ranch etc., by creating legal problems, but that is all it can do. In the past, the FLDS was not swayed in its practices by outside forces. Is it going to be different this time?

  • worth it
    Aug. 8, 2008 11:15 a.m.

    zxcvbnm -

    with any luck, the authorities will identify another 25 FLDS pedophiles, so it's only $1M per perpetrator. That's not a bad return on investment. I don't know about you, but I'd pay a million dollars to stop a child from being raped.

    Just make the fathers actually support their families in Short Creek (instead of getting state aid) and you can cover the whole bill pretty quickly. (I know, wrong state. But you get my point.)

  • zxcvbnm
    Aug. 8, 2008 11:01 a.m.


    The state will probably rewrite the "emminent danger" requirement out of the law at the next legislative session. Hildebrand has already stated that he has more laws ready for the next legislative session.
    The Arizona case may beat the Texas cases to the Supreme court and solve the overall issue of religious freedom and a states right to set the marraige age.
    I sure hope something gets settled before the 30 million dollar bill gets much higher........we can't afford to pay teachers in this state much less all the flds "experts".

  • re - scepticism 10:40am
    Aug. 8, 2008 10:51 a.m.

    yeah - FLDS told the truth, as they always do. And didn't move kids around during the search, didn't have underage marriages, didn't give conflicting names...

    But you're right - CPS lied - they said they would take the kids if FLDS didn't cooperate. Oh, wait - they DID take the kids when FLDS didn't cooperate. Hmmm.

  • realitycheck
    Aug. 8, 2008 10:40 a.m.

    Nice to see some of the parents care more about their children than their prophet or some church. Hopefully more will do the same.

    I'm ammused by the FLDS statement that no marriages have taken place in the last 2 years. If true, it's simply because the guy that tells everyone who to marry is in jail.

    Hey - maybe now they will be allowed to actually marry someone they are in love with, in their own time, instead of being handed off to their uncle or step-father. Or do you think that would be more civil rights then they can handle?

  • scepticism agreed-Thomas
    Aug. 8, 2008 10:40 a.m.

    By these people, I mean CPS and Texas law enforcement. The FLDS has told the truth nad CPS has lied and lied.

  • scepticism agreed
    Aug. 8, 2008 8:39 a.m.

    Thomas - by "these people" we'll assume you mean FLDS. Yes, skepticism is pretty much mandatory anytime FLDS say anything. They are trained to lie and hide at an early age.

  • Thomas
    Aug. 8, 2008 7:00 a.m.

    Statements and charges by law enforcement and CPS have not been reliable up tp this point. Therefore, scepticism is in order about anything these people have to say.