Disputes dismissed for lack of evidence; parents cooperating
I am not a member of FLDS, I am a Texas resident interested in what becomes of
the FLDS group, their home and their lives in general. I do not believe much of
what I have read in the papers, I do believe these FLDS men, women and children
have a right to live their lives the way they want to just like everyone else
does in Texas... "lives their life the way they want to"... I do not believe 12
year old children should be having babies with 55 year old men, so lets round up
all of the men in the state of Texas who are doing just that... not just the
FLDS folks... but for the record, I think they did put the right man in jail for
being with an underaged girl (the leader of FDLS) but that was the exception to
the rule...I do not think every single person at the Texas Ranch is guilty.
Matter of fact, I think they are innocent and need to be left alone. If they are
guilty of anything it's "how to live a good, wholesome, meaningful life."
something the rest of the world could learn from them...
How a parent dresses their child is none of your concern either. I would much
rather see these children in long dresses than other little girls in cheer
leader outfits out doing sexual dances for drooling old men. Stop the sexual
exploitation in dressing of little 7-10 year old little girls then go worry
about a mother who teaches her child modesty and self-respect.Many
FLDS women have college degrees. At least 4 from YFZ went to work as RN's after
the raid. At least 8 have teaching degrees (those are just ones I have read
articles about, there may be more)All the child care centers they were in
when in CPS care said the FLDS children were "ahead" in their education than the
public schooled children. They had class records taken by the government
in the raid that were for 11th and 12th grade. Wonder why they had 11th grade
classes if they stopped educating in 6th grade? How did they manage to go
straight to college with only a 6th grade education?
re -re - zxcvbnm I will give you that the pics of Warren Jeffs kissing the
girls are disgusting and he should be charged with kissing little girls in a
disgusting manner. CPS had all the children medically examined when at the CPS
compound. The girls medical records by GOVERNMENT paid doctors do not show signs
of sexual abuse. There are NO allegations of children running away from
the YFZ ranch ever. If you know of one, please post the link? There are no
allegations of supposed "abandoned" boys in Texas. How many women a
man sleeps with -- unless you want to start locking up every baby daddy in Texas
that has more than one baby mama --- is simply none of your business. Do it
across the board and DNA test every single baby born in Texas and match to
"alleged" father or don't do it at all. Persecuation is when you single out one
group of people and apply the law to ONLY them.
yes!! Leave the kids alone! There are no problems in the FLDS. What is wrong
with you CPS people? Haven't you done enough damage already?It's
not like we let 12 yr olds french kiss 50 yr olds. We don't do underage
marriages. No one is forced to do anything, especially not marry their
stepfather or uncle.So some kids run away. Happens everywhere.
Just because the mom drives the boy to town with a suitcase and tells him don't
come back doesn't mean anything. She's just trying to help.So what
if we have 5 wives and 30 children in one house. Just because the father will
get kicked out if there are any problems doesn't mean he's mean to anyone. He
just uses tough love because he loves us (I mean loves the church.)We treat our children with love. They LIKE wearing long johns in the summer
in Texas. They like what we tell them to like, just like all parents. Why is
that so hard for you to understand? And stop with the education
issue. No one needs more than 6th grade education and you know it.Leave us alone!!! We're just practicing our religion!!!
CPS logic is comical. They want to take a child away from a mother
citing that the child, while staying with an Aunt, wanted to be with her
mother. Reason for removing the child, the mother has not signed a
paper promising to keep the child away from Merril Jessop. The State can't find
Merril Jessop and ole Merril is not indited. On top of everything else
CPS quotes charges made by Carolyn Jessop in her book when Carolyn has never
been to YFZ much less SanAntonio, the present residence of the child or
mother. The same agency that claimed 50+ pregnant teens when only two
pregnant adults existed want us to believe that 10 or 15 formerly pregnant teens
exist. Even the DNA is questionable according to recent reports.
Keep up the good work Texas......save children that don't want to be saved
from mothers they want to be with. Now how many formerly pregnant teens are
there.......are you sure they have even had sex. Teresa Jeffs has already
declared her virginity.
the irony is unsurpassed when FLDS talks about someone being unable to tell the
truth.... and helping children isn't an FLDS forte (unless
marrying off your children to their relatives is considered "helping".)When you help them through college before you "help" them marry their uncle,
stepfather, or cousin - then you can talk about other people.
"Statements and charges by law enforcement and CPS have not been reliable up to
this point."That's an understatement! The state of Texas, and CPS in
particular, seem unable to tell the truth, or to actually help any children
without coming close to killing them. They have to cringe at the thought of
actually grabbing up these children again, especially now that it's a matter of
retaliation against the parents, and not an issue of safety. For this time
they'll be doing it with news media looking on. They won't be able to grab up
cellphones to hide what they're doing.
What waste. Hysterical fools acting before thinking it all the way through, and
now it was all for nothing. I notice now that the mothers are being proven to
be fit, the national news is ignoring it. They were all over it when it looked
bad. National media sucks.
Re Gal 50: Future risk........sex legal at 17....marraige to one person
legal at 16.... those are the parameters that flds has stated pubicly that it
will follow. Kinda settles the future risk issue. Jeffs will only go
back to the ranch to be buried...solves that future issue too. Good old
Merril will be found or die in a relatively short time. The 74 year old guy is
probably not much of a risk for rape at this point anyway. I know that Viagra
works wonders but hey.........the old ticker is probably ticking at its limit
just to get him to the toilet. Lieing to buy land........ cows and a
cheese factory are as agricultural as a game ranch and probably more profitable
and if telling the truth to purchase property in Texas was a legal requirement
Perot would be behind bars. Future risk for the girls raised in the
church may be a moral, or religious issue for many but the law says a parent can
raise their child in the parents religion.......it may be something you or I
disagree with but hey.....that law applies to us all. We don't need
The FLDS has presented a very difficult case. In court cases, the public has
seen that the FLDS suffer "massive memory loss" This may be a standard FLDS
tactic. When the FLDS bought land, it lied about the purpose of the purchases.
Does the FLDS lie frequently or not?Now there appears to be ten
girls who have been prematurely married. There are 15 Texas FLDS women with
children that indicate a possibility of past statutory rape. Given this history,
the promise to change the practice and the possibility of lying, no one can know
with any certainty the level of future risk faced by FLDS girls.It
appears that whether due to prejudice or the above risk, CPS moved to protect
all of the children. The statute basically says that CPS can only protect
children at risk now. CPS can make its best effort to discourage FLDS from
future abuse, by temporarily seizing children, by pressuring families to stay
off the ranch etc., by creating legal problems, but that is all it can do. In
the past, the FLDS was not swayed in its practices by outside forces. Is it
going to be different this time?
zxcvbnm -with any luck, the authorities will identify another 25
FLDS pedophiles, so it's only $1M per perpetrator. That's not a bad return on
investment. I don't know about you, but I'd pay a million dollars to stop a
child from being raped. Just make the fathers actually support
their families in Short Creek (instead of getting state aid) and you can cover
the whole bill pretty quickly. (I know, wrong state. But you get my point.)
The state will probably rewrite the "emminent danger" requirement out of
the law at the next legislative session. Hildebrand has already stated that he
has more laws ready for the next legislative session. The Arizona case
may beat the Texas cases to the Supreme court and solve the overall issue of
religious freedom and a states right to set the marraige age. I sure
hope something gets settled before the 30 million dollar bill gets much
higher........we can't afford to pay teachers in this state much less all the
yeah - FLDS told the truth, as they always do. And didn't move kids around
during the search, didn't have underage marriages, didn't give conflicting
names...But you're right - CPS lied - they said they would take the
kids if FLDS didn't cooperate. Oh, wait - they DID take the kids when FLDS
didn't cooperate. Hmmm.
Nice to see some of the parents care more about their children than their
prophet or some church. Hopefully more will do the same.I'm ammused
by the FLDS statement that no marriages have taken place in the last 2 years.
If true, it's simply because the guy that tells everyone who to marry is in
jail.Hey - maybe now they will be allowed to actually marry someone
they are in love with, in their own time, instead of being handed off to their
uncle or step-father. Or do you think that would be more civil rights then
they can handle?
By these people, I mean CPS and Texas law enforcement. The FLDS has told the
truth nad CPS has lied and lied.
Thomas - by "these people" we'll assume you mean FLDS. Yes, skepticism is
pretty much mandatory anytime FLDS say anything. They are trained to lie and
hide at an early age.
Statements and charges by law enforcement and CPS have not been reliable up tp
this point. Therefore, scepticism is in order about anything these people have