If it's drugs, sex, violence, intimidation and murder you want to stop, then go
after those breaking those laws. But there's no law against bad taste or hanging
out with scary friends.
Newell, I've been asking our legislature to make gangs illegal for more than 10
years. They have their head in the sand, as does the Governor(s) and believe we
don't have a problem. Twenty-eight states have made membership in a gang
illegal with jailtime punishments. Until we make Gang Membership illegal in
this state, they will continue to run their course of drugs, sex, violence and
intimidation. And, the law enforcement officers have proven to be totally
ineffective because they don't want know gang neighborhoods to "feel prejudice"
against them. Utah needs a wakeup call and so far absolutely nothing from our
legislature, wishbone governor and the judicial system. Hang on for a ride. I
hope you and yours don't fall victim to this insidious disease that is not cured
with midnight basketball and and tax funded programs that all prove to be
failures. Parents need to be held accountable and the perpetrators need to rot
in jail for a few years as a wake up call that Gang Activity (killing for the
sake of killing) will not be tolerated and will be punished to the very furthest
limits of the law (if we had any laws).
LIke I said before,Our liberal friends will never allow us to truly
go after gangs,they will come up some excuse or another to protect
How will you prove a person's association with a gang? Do you expect that have
meetings, and take minutes of who attended? They record monthly dues?Presuming you can prove membership, what would be the penalty? Probation?
Jail time? Execution?
The US leads the world in both the rate AND the number of people imprisoned, so
someone out there is surely enforcing something.
We should also make some laws saying that there is a legal process to come into
this country to work.....ooops, they already did that, and look how well that
works.What needs to be done is to actually ENFORCE laws, and
strengthen families. We don't need more laws or government programs
The small minds around here astound me.Did you people READ the
letter?? If you did, you wouldn't be attacking the LDS church, as usual, you
wouldn't say dumb things like 'shredding the bill of rights,' or make fun of the
author's comments by demanding that families be arrested, as well as football
teams disbanded.Read it again, only this time with the real desire
to understand what is being said, instead of a knee jerk leap to the comment
section so you can display your disdain for any idea that you don't agree
with.And I quote:" to make membership in a "gang" any
group that advocates deadly violence to other members of our society
illegal."When you find missionaries, football teams, and families
who are advocating deadly violence, then you have a case to make such ridiculous
comments. Until then, slow down, read the letters, and consider what is being
said, before you embarrass yourselves anymore.Don't be so quick to
belittle others. When you point your finger at someone, you are pointing three
fingers at yourself.
Well, we scrapped Habeus Corpus and the Right to Privacy. Why not just shred the
rest of the Bill of Rights too?
"any group that advocates deadly violence to other members of our society" You mean the local HS football teams?
Mr. Standley,However good intentioned this idea may be, like
"HAHAHAHAHA," I too question how it would work. Although I have never belonged
to a "gang" that drives around and shoots up neighborhoods, or works in illegal
activities and substances, I have been in gangs of church groups, scout groups,
and groups of friends. I hope this wouldn't be illegal.Do gang
members carry membership cards? Are there membership roles that are posted
somewhere? Are records and minutes of gang meetings and gatherings kept? The judicial end of your idea looks complicated. However, I'm sure your
idea could probably get you elected to the state legislature if you pitch it to
your neighbors and get them fired up. This type of idea would appeal to your
They should make some sort of law mandating a top speed on the freeway, too.
Let's see if that could work. Then we could consider making it illegal to belong
to any group where wrongs are 'atoned' through a blood letting. Hmmmm..........
What about a bunch of white, slave owning land owners in about 1776? Sounds a
lot like a definition of a gang. BTW, I seem to remember that the First
Amendment guarantees our right to assemble, no matter how it seems unfitting.
the RICO statutes already cover gang activity; DA's seem hesitant to use them.
I agree in concept with your idea, but agree with some of the other posters that
it wouldn't be feasible. I wonder which gangs Hate America and Outlaw Sstandley
Gang are affiliated with?
"Amendment I:Congress shall make no law...abridging...the right of
the people peaceably to assemble."As some above have alluded to,
never give politicians or law enforcement an arbitrary power they can change to
fit whatever definition they'd like.Until one has committed a crime
we should not treat them like a criminal.We have the Constitution
for a reason.
The most common group associating in my area is guys in white, short-sleeved
shirts and ties. They are somewhat of a menace and don't even seem to know the
bounds of personal property (though for some reason they only seem to trespass
in twos. While I have not seen these men commit any violent acts they do claim
allegiance to a local hate group that has been hell-bent in its pursuit to
discriminate against homosexuals. Are we safe? I would feel that my family would
be more safe if we would simply take these guys off the street, but wouldn't it
be better to judge them by their actions?
That is the beauty of people having the opportunity to write into their local
newspapers. All views are available for publication, even the ones (and I never
thought I would ever say this) that truly....make no sense whatsoever. Jeepers!
Constitutional right of Association. Can't make a law like that.
Now, loittering, conspiracy to commit a crime, etc. Those things can be
prosecuted.Mike Richards is right about what associations will incur
the wrath of some judge.
Newel Standley,I think it would be a good idea for our legislature
to make it illegal for certain people to marry each other or in your case for
you to marry someone. It should be a crime for two morons who share your violent
belief to get married. You are a fascist and it should be illegal for two
fascists to form a gang and call it a family. So let's make the gang that is
your family illegal! Do you have a problem with that?It's time for
the Standley gang to be disbanded!!!
HAHAHAHAHA!!!! What other states? How well has that worked? You're literally
saying you want law enforcement to ignore actual police work (building cases,
following up leads, solving murders, etc) and simply arrest people who hang out
wearing the same color? How else could you possibly enforce something like
that? Criminal enterprises don't have membership roles or anything. While
we're at it, let's make it illegal to break the law. That seems like a
Lets outlaw a citizens right to freely associate with whom he wishes to. Why do
conservatives hate America's constution? They act like it is a meaningless piece
Mr. Newel Standley,What goes around, comes around.With
the wacko judges that turn everything backwards, how can you be sure that a
Scout Troop would not be labeled as being a "gang", or a priesthood quorum, or
any other group of boys or girls who want to work together to do some good?In this era where people have lost focus between right and wrong, good
and evil, it might be best to not try to tempt liberal judges to disband all
good groups in order to be "fair" to the "rotten" among us.