Utah Utes football: U. unveils new Under Armour duds

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  • hey listen
    July 26, 2008 7:57 p.m.


    why bould we think of the 80's (and no I am not saying this becasue you guys did well then. I am saying it because we are in the year 2008) dude join us in this day and age.

    oh and as for anotherday another zobbie loved you name, but next time back up smack with facts.

  • how to say this nicely
    July 26, 2008 1:04 a.m.

    all cougars listen up. I used to have the smallest bit of respect for you people. used to. I see you guys running around long after the season is over and you people are still using stuff from the 80's to smack talk. thats weak. And I hate to say it but utes seriosly dont sink to their level you can smack talk them in person just make sure you take a stopwatch. it takes them a while to make up a come back. believe me. i have experience.

  • U'nanimous
    July 26, 2008 12:23 a.m.

    It's interesting to note the fact that the school down south, and the Church by whom it's owned, are lead by UTES! President Cecil B. Samuelsen and President Thomas S. Monson (and while we're at it, let's not forget the late and well respected President Gordon B. Hinckley...etc.) How many years of dominance do these men account for in "restoring order?" Finally, the oldest University west of the Mississppi isn't in Provo...Remember where you came from Cougar faithful...Your most respected leaders wear RED!

  • how about this
    July 26, 2008 12:17 a.m.

    i am going to be perfectly honest I am not a ute or a cougar but it is so funny to read your smack talk you all sound like 4 year olds hahahahahahahaha!!!!!

  • bleedkentuckyblue
    July 25, 2008 11:34 p.m.

    another zoobie:

    quick! hide! your Yewt education is showing again? 10-2 is the closest BYU has gotten? what about undefeated 1984? 14-1 in '96? Think about the '80s? Your 2004 glory year is a flash in the pan, and now your jerseys are as ugly as your football history!
    you're flaunting Steve Smith, and that's great, but he's never won a Super Bowl: Steve Young and Jim McMahon have. BYU has more players in the NFL out of any team in the west EXCEPT USC.

    Good luck beating USU and Weber. Wyoming is going to be a shellacking, and you'll get hammered by TCU and UNLV... again. Utah football... where class never happens!

  • another day another zoobie
    July 25, 2008 11:11 p.m.

    ok this is to "GSM" and to everyone who is stupid enough to listen to him. We haven't had that one year or that one player (alex) just think of the year before the feista bowl. I belive we were 10-2. Hey thats as close as BYU as ever gotten to going undefeated. Oh and we have also had STEVE SMITH. He went pro playing for Carolina i think. So take your words and shuv em! GO UTES! the cougars are for lames and dipwads

  • utes fan
    July 24, 2008 11:13 p.m.

    here let us explain this one more time. and this time we will use small words so that you will be able to understand. The University of Utah is an amazing school with fantastic athletes attending it. Unlike BYU who is more about trying to talk the talk. Now to end tell bronco that he needs a bigger shirt to fit his ego.

  • Ok one last time
    July 24, 2008 10:59 p.m.

    this is your brain
    "go utes"

    this is your brain on drugs
    "Byu is cool"

    any questions?

    July 24, 2008 2:22 p.m.

    Please please please wear white pants with the red jerseys at least once this year please....? oh and can wait for the debut of the alternate black unifroms.. you know it will happen my prediction is the black unifroms will be unveiled November 11 2008 at rice eccles stadium as the utes run out of the tunnel and all over the kewgs.

  • some people
    July 23, 2008 7:47 p.m.

    I agree with "ute" you people need to chill. And Anonymous(2 or 3 up)have you ever talked to a zoobie fan. By the way you guys talk its like you think your #1 in the nation. ok and beside what does that have to do with the utes getting Under Armour? any way I dont think the new dud will help or hinder our guys but its still nice. Oh yah and to all you BYU freaks go back to your rooms in your parents basements and go see if you can take the first step to becoming a grown up by throwing out your night light I promise the cougars wont eat you in the dark but think of it this way if you get scared you can go run up so mommy.

  • ute
    July 23, 2008 7:18 p.m.

    ok to all you pathetic byu zoobies who have nothing better to do than TRY and smack talk, get a life. I came on to read an article and see what others thought. not to have to filter through a bunch of losers comments who are trying to make a conection between the utes having new uniforms and how that will affect their play. It wont ok so shut up crawl back into you cave and STAY THERE!! as to the uniforms i think it will be nice to have something new for our boys

  • Anonymous
    July 21, 2008 4:13 p.m.


  • re:KOugar Troll | 9:25 | 4:19 p.
    July 21, 2008 12:29 p.m.

    " but each time was censored by the DesNews (thus "un-American | 2:06 p.m."). What I had to say contained no profanities, was not off topic, nor misrepresentative"

    Maybe your post was stupid and they didn't want to embarass you.

    Maybe they did you a faver.

    Either way, BronKo is sort of middle school smack, don't you think?

    Really, as an adult?

  • to:Re: The Past | 11:05 a.m
    July 21, 2008 12:22 p.m.

    Not real grass.

    Is it oregano, like up at the dorms?

    Makes sense, not a real football program.

    The fake grass will be good.

    I was just thinking of the laundry bills when Unga rips through the "Red Zone" at the end of the game.

  • Anonymous
    July 21, 2008 8:52 a.m.

    Like the new jerseys. However the white ones will be covered in red the first week of the season, when Michagan throttles and absolutley destroy the yewts in the Big House.

  • to like the new jersies
    July 21, 2008 7:56 a.m.

    isnt the game in salt lake this year? last i heard they dont have real grass.

  • Anonymous
    July 20, 2008 4:41 p.m.

    "Anonymous | 1:52 p.m. July 19, 2008
    who's had an undefeated season followed by a berth in a national bowl? yeah..not byu."

    BYU did.

    What you should have said was:

    "Who's had an undefeated season followed by a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, TROPHY, RINGS AND ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES THAT COME WITH A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP? yeah...BYU... not the university of yooterville."

    No matter how you spin it, until you poor little bros to the North realize it in your walnut sized brains, IT HAPPENED.

    Now just deal with it, and stop worrying about getting past UNLV with a point. I'm waiting for my fries out here.

  • I like the New Jersies
    July 20, 2008 4:21 p.m.

    I hear they put a new extra grass stain repellant on the Defensive teams backs to hide all the stains when Frank the Tank and Unga knock them on their buttz.

  • KOugar Troll | 9:25
    July 20, 2008 4:19 p.m.

    I wrote Re: 2006 - 2007 | 10:44 p.m.

    I responded to "BronKo | 10:31 a.m.", TWICE, to enlighten cougar fans about "BronKo | 9:25" (who was NOT the originator of that spelling), but each time was censored by the DesNews (thus "un-American | 2:06 p.m."). What I had to say contained no profanities, was not off topic, nor misrepresentative (which is more than I can say for "BronKo | 9:25"). Nevertheless, it exposed TDS fans in a way the rabidly and overzealous editors deemed arbitrarily offensive.

    It would appear said editors would prefer to leave all our fellow readers in ignorance as to preserve those smug TDS readers fragile sensibilities. This would never happen at the other newspaper.

  • re:re:2006-2007
    July 20, 2008 2:05 p.m.

    We'll that sure helpe out. I wouldn't think it riles up anyone, more it just makes them think Ute fans are either weak on the keyboard, wannabe "spys" trying to send encrypted messages, or just a tad bit "special". (ps I have emmbedded a secret slam at you Ute fans in this message, and if you get it, you win back one used brain cell).

    "Perhaps the Ute fan who initiated "BronKo" should have attempted something a little less cerebral"

    And then you answer it wrong. Are you not as cerebral as BronKo?

    "Ko" like "Knocking teams out" is really "cerebral"... Moronic is more like it.


    "Like any inside joke, it is best to leave those on the outside guessing as to what it means. Have fun trying to figure it out zoobies."

    You don't know, do you.

    I have a buddy whose son is in Junior High, and I guees the big fad there is to capitalize a letter somewher in the middle of the word.

    I would bet you are not only the most "cereBral" but funnist moron in your 8th grade class.

  • RE 1:52
    July 20, 2008 12:42 p.m.

    I would guess all televised games nationally are national bowls.

    I do remember that BYU payed in a bowl game for a National Championship.

  • un-American
    July 19, 2008 2:06 p.m.

    The hypocrisy of the DesNews is their penchant for promoting conservative values and personal freedoms while simultaneously censoring unpopular opinions from some of its patrons.

    And just 2 wks past the day we celebrated our independence.


  • Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 1:52 p.m.

    who's had an undefeated season followed by a berth in a national bowl? yeah..not byu.

  • BronKo
    July 19, 2008 10:31 a.m.

    So, even Utes are confused why???

    KO, I like that. Like the way he knocks the Utes out at the games...


  • BronKo
    July 19, 2008 9:25 a.m.

    When I first started using this spelling, I had no idea it would catch on with other Ute fans and rile up byU fans so much. It actually has NOTHING to do with a knock-out.

    Like any inside joke, it is best to leave those on the outside guessing as to what it means. Have fun trying to figure it out zoobies.

    BronKo - Hahahahahahahahahahaha

  • TicketHolder
    July 19, 2008 8:18 a.m.

    What is so bad for either team is that you play in the Mountain West Conference. By far one of the weakest conferences in college football. When the president of DirecTV says "he would rather show reruns of "Everybody Loves Raymond before he would pick up the Mountain because of viewership statistics" is something you don't want to hear. If either team played in the Pac 10, Big 12, Big 10, ACC, or SEC you wouldn't be bowl eligible.

  • Re: 2006 - 2007
    July 18, 2008 10:44 p.m.

    "...can anybody tell me the significance of spelling Bronco 'BronKo'"?

    Bronco, spelled "BronKo", is an allegorical play on phonetics. The "Ko" is representative of a pugilistic term for "Knock Out". It started popping up on both the Salt Lake Tribune and the Deseret News comment threads shortly after, and likely retaliatory to, "K-Whitt", which was likely coined by some TDS fan who fancies himself witty.

    Perhaps the Ute fan who initiated "BronKo" should have attempted something a little less cerebral, like maybe "Mr. Dumbhead", or "Coach Poopy-Pants", to keep the insults from flying over the heads of those ridiculous and unenlightened fans for the TDS.

    GO UTES!!!

  • re:Selective reading? Reasoning?
    July 18, 2008 10:30 p.m.

    I agree it was selective. However, I will quote you because it was senseless, and I know it's out of context, but "11-2 is not as good as 10-2"-- How? And you are picking different years, how can you say an 11-2 year is not as good as a 10-2 year in different years???

    And you pick "one" common opponent, UCLA. BYU played with PAC-10 refs at the Rose Bowl, Utah played at home, and neglect to mention the last team to beat UCLA that year on a nuetral field...

    Look at the past two years head to head--and not cherry pick one opponent for 2 of the 3 games against-UCLA that year, but the league for two straight years.

    It the same old 7 degrees of circular reasoning and logic used by Ute fans.

    And please try to answer the questions...

    Who has bragging rights, and who needs to bring game in November? Why play for "bragging rights" if you lose and blow it off? Why even play the game?

    Serious, you choose the games after the season, and you choose the season you want to compare after they're over.

    Circular reasoning and logic used by Ute fans.


  • re: 2006-2007
    July 18, 2008 9:45 p.m.

    New Uniforms.

    Nuff said.

  • Selective reading?
    July 18, 2008 9:21 p.m.

    It was 11-2 and 11-2 compared to 10-2 AND 12-0. One is better than the other, I will let you figure it out.

    Common opponent: UCLA 27 BYU 17
    ---------------- UCLA 16 BYU 17
    ---------------- UCLA 6 UTAH 44

    BronKo and the kewgs will fall flat on their faces this year. "Quest for Perfection"???? It's going to be a short quest considering they are going to lose to Washington and UCLA in September.

  • 2006 - 2007
    July 18, 2008 8:23 p.m.

    Man, all of the stats out there.

    Easy, look at head to head:

    2006 = BYU - W Utah - L
    2007 = BYU - W Utah - L

    Common opponents both years:

    Mountain West Conference

    2006 = BYU - Conference Champs
    2007 = BYU - Conference Champs

    Is it really that hard to figure out in head-to head comparisons (not the 7 degrees of circular reasoning and logic used by Ute fans) who has bragging rights, and who needs to bring game in November? Why play for "bragging rights"? Why even play the game?

    Oh, and can anybody tell me the significance of spelling Bronco "BronKo"? And how is 11-2 not as good as 10-2?

    I understand why Kyle went to coach at Utah. He was taking over "Urbans Team", and look how well he's done. Kyld did not want to "rebuild".

    Bronco did a fine job rebuilding, and BYU is "blessed" Kyle made the choice he did. Otherwise I think BYU would be 0-3 against Utah over the past three years.

  • to Restore Order 12:43
    July 18, 2008 3:58 p.m.

    Yes, the Utah president and head football coach are BYU grads, but they came to the U to begin the repentance process BY THEIR OWN CHOICE!

    Not quite the same circumstance as your current president, who is a Utah Man, and only went there because he was ASSIGNED by Pres. Hinckley (oh, another standout Utah alum, by the way...)

    The University of Utah, aka School of the Prophets!
    GO UTES!!

  • To: UNLV vs Smack
    July 18, 2008 3:20 p.m.

    "Fluke" or the beginning of a "Trend".

  • Re: GSM
    July 18, 2008 1:28 p.m.

    Probably got it from the same place that BronKo did: URBAN MEYER and the UNIVERSITY OF UTAH! That's right, Urban changed the Utes Helmets and what was the first thing BronKo did?

    As for one year: I guess these past two years were just so-so for byU? 11-2 and 11-2 is not as good as 10-2 and 12-0. Plus, Utah has more bowl appearances and more bowl VICTORIES over the last 15 years than byU does. Looks like the Utes are right there with byU in the tradition department.

  • GSM
    July 18, 2008 12:34 p.m.

    It is good to see Robert Johnson with his helmet back...after Harvy Unga knocked it off while going into touchdown last year.

    Man what a great idea...switching uniforms to inspire a team. Where could Witt have possibly come up with something like that. You may wonder why he did not give a return to tradition speech. Well that is because Utah does not have a tradition, they have a year. 1 year. 1 year. 1 year. But hey that sea of red did look good in the Fiesta Bowl, that 1 year, 1 year, 1 year, 1 year.

    PS Alex and Urban have moved on..Have you?

    1 year, 1year, 1 year, 1 year, 1 year...

  • Can the whining stop now???
    July 18, 2008 12:10 p.m.

    What yooterville fan was complaining that there were no stories to be written about the yoots?

    Mad Props to uncovering this hard-hitting piece of journalism.

    Next, I think there should be an article about the Yoot Coaching Staff's favorite cookie recipes.

  • R. Spencer Robinson
    July 18, 2008 11:57 a.m.

    Johnson did not prognosticate. He did not offer a forecast or prediction. He stated a goal, to go undefeated. It appears to be the same one BYU has called its quest for perfection.

    (Note to journalists. Please be aware of the meaning of words before using them.)

    I support both teams goals until their final regular season game. I hope they enter that game with perfect records. I hope BYU wins that game, and wins a BCS bowl.

    I support ending the BCS hegemony. Utah did its part. Now it's time for BYU to do the same.

  • BJ
    July 18, 2008 11:54 a.m.

    Has now officially spent more time in the New Uniforms than he did all last season in the Old Uniforms.

  • Anonymous
    July 18, 2008 11:35 a.m.

    Wittingham is following the same pattern of Crowton. There teams are terrible and they cant coach but they are hip and up to date on their uniforms.

  • Big 10
    July 18, 2008 11:30 a.m.

    Utah fans, need to begin preps for the trip to the BIG HOUSE, and Michigan, just like the Y having to worry about NIU... don't worry about the silly rivalries until November....

  • re:9:30 AM
    July 18, 2008 10:15 a.m.

    And last year, when BYU won conference, yoots said it was the out of conference games that were important, not a conference championship, but this year it is their goal.

    If BYU players predict undefeated yoots scream.

    If yoots predict it, it's all good.

    All yooterville fans care about is the BYU game, and for the past two years, they have come up lacking.

    UNLV, AFA, BYU, tied for third in the MWC.

    One guy (Phil Steele) thinks the Utes will do well, in all the other preseason polls, they don't even have Utah on the Radar.

    Let's just hope BJ doesn't get injured again. Max Hall can play through it, but BJ is like a little fragile glass doll.

    It will be fun watching BJ light up BYU's weak secondary, at least for the few possessions they get, because BYU will own the ball for most the games.

    Just protect the sidelines on 4th and 18, and put a defender in the North Endzone this time. BYU doesn't need another "Fluke" win because Utah can't provide coverage.

    Ohhhhh, the deafening Sound of Silence (yooterville fans know what I'm talking about. North Endzone, Harline???).

    Quiet Yoots are fun.

  • posting and rugby
    July 18, 2008 9:59 a.m.

    Enough with getting upset at one another for posting on the other team's articles, especially now when there is generally only one or the other on a particular day.

    Just a reminder, pre-'60s football didn't have the forward pass, so it wasn't at all like the football we know today. It was lining up on the line of scrimmage and all you can do is run the ball. It was more like an American style of rugby than what football is today.

    By the time the end of August comes all of the same ol' same ol' trash talk is going to get old, so can we please go easy on the trash talk at least until the teams get out practicing in the fall.

  • re: commando
    July 18, 2008 9:30 a.m.

    It was ROBERT Johnson (Jr. CB from Los Angeles) who stated the goal of going undefeated, not BRIAN Johnson (Sr. QB from Baytown, TX). The DesNews reported it wrong.

    It's not unheard of for the Deseret News to not employ fact-checkers; neither is it unheard of for TDS fans to jump all over inaccurate information, then blow it out of proportion. It's one thing for a team to say their GOAL is to go undefeated (Utah). It is another issue for a team to say [THEY] SHOULD GO undefeated (TDS).

    It's also extremely common for TDS faithful to refer to Utes as "yewtards" while simultaneously making a stupid uninformed comment. Glad I'm not a coug.

    GO UTES!!!

  • Nice. I prefer ...
    July 18, 2008 9:14 a.m.

    BYU's classic look. But I don't mind the Yewts' new jerseys. Anyone seen UNLV's new uniforms? Now that's an awful uniform. (And I'm a UNLV grad.)

  • re: commando
    July 18, 2008 9:03 a.m.

    it was Robert Johnson that made that comment, not Brian Johnson like so many ignorant, uptight byu fans think, BJ wouldnt say something stupid like that, although he's gonna light up byUs weak secondary come november

  • commando
    July 18, 2008 8:24 a.m.

    HA! I don't see any Cougar fans getting bent out of shape at B.J.'s bold statement that they should go undefeated unlike the yewtard faithful did when Curtis said the same thing a couple years ago. We all know why.

  • Conf champs trend
    July 18, 2008 8:17 a.m.

    Go back further then 1960 Trend

    Utah has 25 Championships
    BYU 21 Championships

    Utah leads the series 54-28-4

    Past 15 games Utah is 9-6

    BYU did not dominate the WAC conference until after the 2 Arizona schools left to join the Pac-10

  • Color Match
    July 18, 2008 7:12 a.m.

    At least the helmet color finally matches.

  • UNLV vs Smack
    July 18, 2008 1:58 a.m.

    2006 Utah 45 UNLV 23
    2005 Utah 42 UNLV 32
    2004 Utah 63 UNLV 28
    2003 Utah 28 UNLV 10
    2002 Utah 28 UNLV 17
    2001 Utah 42 UNLV 14
    2000 Utah 38 UNLV 16
    1999 Utah 52 UNLV 14

    1983-1998 did not play each other

    1982 Utah 24 UNLV 14
    1981 Utah 69 UNLV 28
    1980 Utah 45 UNLV 29
    1979 Utah 41 UNLV 43

    Overall series, Utah leads 11-2. All these zoobies insisting Utah "Can't" bean UNLV are only further advertising how deluded and out-of-touch with reality they are. Yes, 2007 WAS a fluke.

  • It's Like Christmas In July!!!
    July 18, 2008 1:18 a.m.

    I guess that no one will be sleeping in Yooterville tonight

    To the Honorable:RE: UNLV RULES | 6:03 p.m. July 17, 2008

    "#2 UNLV Football fans wouldn't dare talk smack about there one lucky win over the Utes; especially with there lack of football success. Even they're smart enough to know it was a fluke and the Utes simply overlooked them."

    Is that why the coaches and players were laughing so hard watching game films??? Won't "dare" to talk smack about a team they demolished. Is laughing talking smack?

    Hey, UNLV beating the yooterville yoots 27-0, then got crushed by a team that had nothing to play for, oh and the final was 48-23 and the Rebels gave up 21 points in the 4th quarter, call it luck, call it a fluke, I call it embarassing.

    BYU Wins on the Harline play, Collie's 4th and 18, blocked FG vs. UCLA (3 BIG W's.), yoots call it a fluke, luck.

    Get smoked 27-0 for the L... Fluke too.

    I guess it's BYU wins = Fluke.
    Utah loses = Fluke.

    By your count, take out the flukes, yooters went undefeated, and BYU lost all of their games.

    BYU ranked #14?

    Fluke, too.

  • Re: Anonymous | 8:55 p.m.
    July 18, 2008 12:44 a.m.

    "Any arguments with those statistics?"

    Yes, once again: SAMPLE SIZE!!! You're only more proof that zoobies are utterly ignorant of statistics.

  • Swoosh
    July 18, 2008 12:29 a.m.

    Someone is going to be seriously injured when they get "grilled" by those thigh pads. Ugly!

  • seriously
    July 18, 2008 12:21 a.m.

    people dont need to judge a school based on the uniforms, seriously, you have enough time to say 'hey lets bash on Utah's new uni's just because we think that they look bad, to some people they might. i personally like them better than our old uni's.........both byU and Utah fans are idiots for bashing on each other's schools when in fact they can do NOTHING ABOUT IT (myself inlcuded).....that being said, November 22 is going to be one Heck of a Football game, regardless of who wins, what uniforms they are wearing, and how bad or good each team plays. I just hope they U can come away with a win cause we know that byU is tough.

    GO UTES!!!!

  • TucsonUte
    July 17, 2008 11:49 p.m.

    Gotta love the all white uniforms! Better than those awful BYU uniforms during the Crowton era and the Aggie Blue of today's TDS.

    BYU fans love stats but the overall series record speaks for itself. That is the only stat that matters. Not the ones that BYU fans quote like "Do you know BYU holds an edge overall against Utah in games that were played during a leap year and also occurred during a lunar eclipse" or "BYU holds an overall series record against Utah when cougar concession stands sellout of root beer by the end of the first half".

    It's going to be a long disappointing season for BYU.

  • About the Unis
    July 17, 2008 11:08 p.m.

    I like the look, bet the Red needs to look darker... It is dangerously close to "pink-red" in some of those pictures. Why the lightening of the Red?

  • re: trend schmend
    July 17, 2008 11:03 p.m.

    you are a big fat nerd who has to much time on his hands.

  • Anonymous
    July 17, 2008 10:43 p.m.

    Hey "Silly Kewgar fans", please refresh my memory - what is Utah's record against BYU the last two years in both football and basketball?

    I know, you ALMOST beat us in football, so there has to be a "moral victory" there somewhere.

    Or would you rather talk about Utah's record against BYU from 1900 - 1960. That has got to make you feel pretty good.

    Win a time or two and maybe you have something to yap about.

    In the meantime, focus on women's basketball or gymnastics at the U. I understand they are pretty good.

  • Re: Pholadelphia
    July 17, 2008 9:57 p.m.

    Andy Reid, yes, that's right. Another former BYU player who doesn't want to coach at BYU!!

  • Anonymous
    July 17, 2008 9:57 p.m.

    Looks great!

  • Silly Kewgar fans
    July 17, 2008 9:16 p.m.

    Repeatedly pointing out errors by Ute fans in grammar, spelling, and math while ignoring the FACT that there are just as many, if not more, errors made by the byU faithful.

    Oh well, after byU "looses"(as byU fans think it is spelled) to Washington, UCLA, New Mexico, TCU, and Utah, all of the kewgar fans will be able to look forward to basketball season . . . . . oops, my bad. byU isn't going to be very good on the hardwood either.

    November 22: Utah 34 byU 23 and the Utes will sweep the basketball series this year.

  • Re: Philadelphia
    July 17, 2008 9:04 p.m.

    Uh...I believe the Eagles Head Coach is Andy Reid, correct? And which University did he attend? Oh yeah, BYU. Just checking. Correct me if I'm wrong.

  • Scrawny Players
    July 17, 2008 8:59 p.m.

    Johnson looks like a twig in that picture!! How do the Utes expect to compete with the Cougars with players that are skin and bone?!

  • Re: Anonymous
    July 17, 2008 8:55 p.m.

    Are we actually fighting over statistics here? Ok, here are some statistics for you:
    1) BYU has gone undefeated in conference play for 2 years in a row, the only MWC team to do that in the history of the MWC (that includes Utah!)
    2) Max Hall had the highest passer rating last year in the MWC and among all sophomore quarterbacks in the nation! (And higher than Brian Johnson from Utah)
    3) Harvey Unga had more rushing yards last season that Mack from Utah (And Mack looks ugly in the new uniform! Definitely a dud!)
    4) BYU has never lost to Utah in Salt Lake City under head coach Bronco Mendenhall. (We are 1 for 1!)

    Any arguments with those statistics?

    PS: Yes, BYU offers the class Stat 221, and I passed it!

  • bleedkentuckyblue
    July 17, 2008 8:29 p.m.

    I know a few GAs children, and you're partially right about admission. I can't remember if it is anyone who works for the Church or just anyone who works for BYU, but they do get reduced admission. THis is much like those who work for the U., get their kids 50% off U. tuition.

    I'm sure a great many GAs children go to the Y., but I met president samuelson's daughter-in-law a year or two ago in Arizona, and she told me the reason why her husband chose not to go to BYU had nothing to do with the quality of education, but got sick and tired of others telling him he was only there because of who his parents were, so he went to Arizona State so he could say he earned his education....

    while I hate the utes and these unis are worse than they were, the all-red is a great idea... the all-white, not so much

  • Re: Re: Ute in Philadelphia
    July 17, 2008 8:25 p.m.

    ..And Utah football is known in North Carolina for Steve Smith. What's your point? I think the most recent impression Philly fans have of BYU is Reno "Fumble Fingers" Mahe.

    BYU is recognized because of the LDS church, and not because of athletics. Ask almost anyone to say one thing about BYU and they will say "Mormon" and not "football" or "basketball" That's as it should be. Anyone who argues otherwise has their priorities mixed up. Yet another reason BYU needs to drop athletics. More people know about BYU athletics because of the LDS church and not the other way around. I actually have seen more damage to character and missionary efforts because of athletics (see evidence above).

  • Ute in Philadelphia
    July 17, 2008 8:14 p.m.

    Re: Ute in Philadelphia | 7:22 p.m.

    Spoken like a TDS fan NOT from Philly.

    Back here, Sikahema and Lewis are known as former Eagle players. Not former cougar players.

    Incidently, in the spring of 2006, on the Preston & Steve Show (WMMR 93.3 FM), I heard VAI SIKAHEMA say he felt the '04 Utes were the REAL #1 team that year.

  • Children of the prophets?!?
    July 17, 2008 8:07 p.m.

    @Mark 5:51 Who cares about the "children of the prophets"? That is a completely irrelevant question! Last I checked the "children of the prophets" weren't any different than any other church member. Anyway, children of GAs probably get free or reduced tuition because their father is a GA and thus on some sort of board for BYU. It's a good education, why not go there? By the way, how do you know that all the "children of the prophets" (or GAs) go to BYU or are you just making a self-serving assumption?

    There have been apostles and prophets who have graduated from all three of Utah's major universities (Utah, Utah State, BYU) and this trend will undoubtedly continue. Surely you are not suggesting that attending BYU makes anybody a better member of the church or that the most righteous people attend BYU, are you? That is the only way your comment makes sense.

    The point of CTR's comment was to shed light on the stupidity of the comment by "Restore Order!!!" Thank you for shedding further light on that bone-headed comment by adding one of your own.

  • re: UNLV
    July 17, 2008 7:52 p.m.

    Allow me to remind all the zoobies that their last six games against UNLV, the TDS is only 4-2 against the rebels, with a 24-3 loss to the Rebels in 2002 and another loss to them in 2004 BOTH IN PROVO.

  • Re: Coach W...
    July 17, 2008 7:51 p.m.

    Yeah right. You are probably an impostor and should be hit on the head with a tomahawk....LOL!!

  • Anonymous
    July 17, 2008 7:49 p.m.

    "How does going from 4 losses to the Yewts from 2002 - 2005 to two wins over the Utes from 2005 - 2007 not constitute a change in the trend?"

    Simple. Two data points does NOT constitute a statistically significant sample. You'd know this if you had ever taken statistics. Again, I have to ask if they teach that class down in Provo as opposed to obsessing over athletics and bronze-age religious texts.

  • Re: Ute in Philadelphia
    July 17, 2008 7:22 p.m.

    BYU is very well known in Philadelphia for it's football program through a couple of players named Vai Sikahema and Chad Lewis. The same can't be said for Utah football.

  • black unis
    July 17, 2008 7:15 p.m.

    the black ones will be worn only on special occasions maybe homecoming, and when we play the team down south.

    go utes

  • Anonymous
    July 17, 2008 6:48 p.m.

    My, my, my. First English, now math. What are they teaching those poor students up on the hill?

  • Math - not a YEWT's strong point
    July 17, 2008 6:38 p.m.

    How does going from 4 losses to the Yewts from 2002 - 2005 to two wins over the Utes from 2005 - 2007 not constitute a change in the trend?

    I guess if you are a Ute fan, it doesn't, but to all other properly educated individuals (USU, Weber, SLCC, UVU, BYU, SUU, Dixie grads, etc.) that is indeed a change in the trend!

    Regarding RESTORE ORDER!'s post at 12:08, how does BYU and Utah go from playing 15 football games from 1993 to 2007 and 38 basketball games during that same timeframe to 13 football games and 34 basketball games respectively???

    This one's a little tougher, my dear Ute friends, so take your time, but if you try really hard I believe you can come up with the answer.

    If you can't figure it out and start losing sleep over it, let me know and I am sure I can get some tutoring for you from my 9 year old. She has a pretty good grasp of mathematical concepts, though I am not sure you will be able to afford her rates.

  • 'nough bashin
    July 17, 2008 6:25 p.m.

    personally i like the new Ute jerseys, as the last three years they never matched the helmet lol...but regardless of what uniform they are wearing on november 22nd i can almost guarantee every byu fan that my UTES will be byU's biggest challenge of the season and that game will be the bcs deciding game for both schools (that is if byu doesnt choke against inferior pac 10 schools and my Utes can win a road opener)... also Darell Mack>>>>Harvey Unga...

    GO UTES!!!

  • bleedblue
    July 17, 2008 6:16 p.m.

    Re:Re:UNLV Fans

    so, you think the royal blue look was effeminate? What does that say for your yewts who were routinely trashed by Cougars wearing the "effeminate" blue from the 80s and 90s?

    Your yewt education is shining through. Learn how to use "their" correctly, and take it like a man when UNLV beats you in your own house in front of 15-20,000 fans....

    ugly, ugly unis. I thought UTah could have done better with its look....

    July 17, 2008 6:03 p.m.

    I'm guessing the post titled "UNLV RULES" is a Team Down South fan possing as a UNLV Fan, thinking he's tricky.

    Because #1 UNLV fans aren't as pathetic as some of those from the T.D.S. who try and post smack on a story about another teams new uniforms.

    #2 UNLV Football fans wouldn't dare talk smack about there one lucky win over the Utes; especially with there lack of football success. Even they're smart enough to know it was a fluke and the Utes simply overlooked them.

    #3 Obviously a fan from the T.D.S. wanted to lash back because someone brought up the fact that they switched to the colors of Utah State's uniforms because there old sky blue color was too effeminate.

  • Levin
    July 17, 2008 5:53 p.m.

    Here's the important part of the article:

    "They're tighter and lighter," said Johnson, "so I can run faster."

    Let's hope that's true.

    Here's the best case scenario for November 22: BYU and Utah undefeated, and Michigan with a single loss (to UofU) going into undefeated Ohio State. Rivalry Week indeed. ESPN GameDay producers pull their hair out, and the Dish Network satellites spontaneously explode out of pure envy.


  • Mark
    July 17, 2008 5:51 p.m.

    @Choose the Right. You wrote "President Hinckley and President Monson graduated from Utah, what does that say about your perfect little world?"

    Actually, Pres. Monson graduated from both schools, getting his advanced degree from BYU. And a more relevant question for today is "Where did the children of the prophets go to school?"

  • Crimson
    July 17, 2008 5:42 p.m.

    BYU did change their shade of blue, but at least they don't still claim to have the old shade. The Utes have not worn crimson for like 20 years. The shade of red they have now is not even close to crimson. And yet, the genius Utah fans keep touting their "crimson" and bashing on BYU's colors. Educate yourselves.

    By the way, you're all right about the black. They'd look great, and it would complete Utah's hijacking of the colors of their big brothers at Southern Utah University. Bring out the black!

  • zoobie dictionary:
    July 17, 2008 5:27 p.m.

    dominate: two last minute victories over their arch rival.

    everyone: zoobies an no one else.

  • Kyle Whittingham
    July 17, 2008 5:26 p.m.

    This is Kyle Whittingham. I'd like to announce that we will no longer allow stoners inside the stadium to watch our football games. We don't want the new unis to stink like our fans. I realize this might cut our attendance down to below 100, but we feel that protecting our exciting investment in Under Armour uniforms is more important than having fans at our games. Besides, it's not like we get many fans out anyway.


    Coach Whittingham

  • SJ Bobkins
    July 17, 2008 5:25 p.m.

    Top 25 Football finishes BYU-15 Yeetaw- 4
    National Football Championships BYU- 1 Yeetaw-0, zip, nothing, zero
    Heisman Award Winners BYU-1 Yeetaw-0, zip, nothing, zero
    Outland trophy winners BYU- 2 Yeetaw 0; zip, nothing, zero
    Davey O'Brien award winners BYU-5 Yeetaw zip, zero, nothing
    Top 25 Sears award finishes BYU-16 Yeetaw- 1
    Big mouth fans BYU 4,726 Yeetaw- 164,564
    Big mouth fans who can write a readable comment BYU-4,276 Yeetaw -4

  • re: Trend schmend
    July 17, 2008 5:23 p.m.

    "As an avid BYU fan, I'm thoroughly enjoying the trend."

    Two years does not a trend make. Take a class in statistics for crying out loud. Do they even offer that in Provo?

    July 17, 2008 5:20 p.m.

    My mom bought me a tight fitting very light pair of sneakers once...

    I was Super Fast!

    Shows the lack of common sense floating around in Brian Johnsons head... Nice comment... HA HA Ha Ha Ha

  • New Unis
    July 17, 2008 5:18 p.m.

    Crowton has a national championship suckas!!!!

  • LOL
    July 17, 2008 5:05 p.m.

    may the force be with you Utes....

    July 17, 2008 5:05 p.m.

    Through some black in there and you will still get shut out by the mighty REBELS........... You can try hard to look like us, but you can't beat us or score on us! Frank the Tank goes for 300 yards this year!

    37 to 0 this year Ewtes; and

    I bet you can't wait for Wyoming to shut you out this year also.

  • ello
    July 17, 2008 4:56 p.m.

    BYU fans need to head the council of their leaders.
    You posts are full of envy and hate.

    I have news for Austin and the rest of you-
    God does not care about Football, so climb off your soap box and start treating people with respect.

    When I lived in Provo, I was never treated worst, and I have moved around.

  • Ute in Philadelphia
    July 17, 2008 4:51 p.m.

    Re: Fact | 2:18

    Here are some more facts for ya

    1.NOBODY from xenophobic Utah County knows ANYTHING about what people outside of Provostan thinkeven if about BYU.

    2.Just because you know a bunch of backwater bumpkins from Nebraska, who dont know much about the Univ. of Utah, doesnt mean you now have your finger on the pulse of the college football scene or what people nationwide think. Dont folks from your (red)neck of the woods still believe Obama is a Muslim, and Huckabee was Gods choice for President? Why dont you ask them how legitimate they think your 84 NC trophy was?

    3.BYU is known as that Mormon school, not that NCAA football juggernaut. Utah is KNOWN for its basketball program, and, due to their 04 season, as the ORIGINAL BCS buster. Boise St. and Hawaii are ALSO KNOWN as BCS busters. BYU is not known for busting the BCS (nor are they known for breaking down any doors to enable the other 3 to do so).

    4.Cougar fans are KNOWN to be ridiculous whenever they talk about college football.

    GO UTES!!!

  • BroncoOutlaw
    July 17, 2008 4:47 p.m.

    This comming from a Boise State Fan.
    I like the new Uniforms. They look tight.
    Way to go. By the way You guys were great to me and my family when we played there last time. Thanks for the hospitality.
    Kick cougar tail... :o)

    July 17, 2008 4:42 p.m.

    Am I really reading what I think I'm reading? You byU fans are really so pathetic that you have to come and diss on utah's new jerseys? Are you really that bitter. Are you really that upset that the last 2 years the byU Utah game has really not been "dominated" as all you zoobies think? I know why you do it..... It's because you all are scared of losing to the U!

  • new uniforms
    July 17, 2008 4:25 p.m.

    New uniforms same obnoxious fans dreaming of college supremacy against big brother. Also maybe now that Utah fans and Kyle are so very excited about the new uni's they can get more than 30,000 fans to the game other than when they are playing the TDS! I cant wait to hear what the excuses will be this year after the cougars make it three strait with another last second miracle win.

  • Order?
    July 17, 2008 4:16 p.m.

    I am a Y fan and I don't know what all this talk about restoring order is about. The only thing that matters is the here and now. I hope BYU and Utah are undefeated when they meet. That will make for a great game.

    "The harder you work for something the harder it is to surrender." Coach Vince Lombardi.

    One team is just as good as the other in this rivalry. It will be a great game no matter what.

  • Objective Fan
    July 17, 2008 4:18 p.m.

    I swear that Utah is the mecca of immaturity when it comes to rivalry posts.

    To the men and women with way too much time on your hands (from both sides), stop copying and pasting statistics from Wikipedia. Please, keep it to yourselves. Your statistics are as about as credible as me trying to convince you all that I'm Bronco Mendenhall.

  • Sad
    July 17, 2008 4:05 p.m.

    I find it funny that many of the BYU posters love to say that U fans post on their articles, proving that U fans are obsessed with BYU. You are posting on an article about Ute UNIFORMS! That is pathetic. Who is obsessed?

  • Sustained Success!!!!
    July 17, 2008 4:00 p.m.

    Fine, comparing the absolutely best case scenario for Utah vs BYU in the last half century (it's obvious why you picked exactly 15 years, instead of 10 or 20 years):


    BYU is 120-67-0 (64%) overall, 6-9 vs Utah, 7 conference championships, 9 bowls, 5 top 25 finishes.

    Utah is 117-61-0 (66%) overall, 9-6 vs BYU, 4 conference championships, 10 bowls, 3 top 25 finishes.

    A slight advantage for Utah head-to-head vs much better in championships and top 25 finishes for BYU.

  • To CTR at 2:55pm
    July 17, 2008 3:54 p.m.

    President Monson has season tickets to BYU? Why would he have season tickets...he owns the stadium doesn't he? LOL

  • RE: Choose the Right?
    July 17, 2008 3:48 p.m.

    I guess only the most righteous could attend BYU in the early days then? And if Monson holds BYU season tickets I'd better get in line? Pony Mendenhall went to Oregon State and Rose Pedals went to Houston. Why does it matter that Whitt or Young went to BYU? They chose to be a part of the University of Utah. The point that was being made earlier was that it really doesn't matter what school somebody went to, it is who they are affiliated with now. Obviously Hinckley, Monson, Pony, and Rose are assosiated with BYU and Whitt and Young are with Utah.

    Why not bring up LDS leaders? That's the problem with BYU fans: they want to separate the church and the sports when it is convenient for them, yet at the same time use it for a "missionary tool". Either shape up reconcile your fanhood with your religion, or choose one or the other.

    Oops... I think I just heard a self-righteous bubble pop.

  • Tyler
    July 17, 2008 3:45 p.m.

    Did they change the helmet color again... Thats the one thing that got better for them the last few years...



  • I like the White ones better
    July 17, 2008 3:44 p.m.

    They will show the footprints much better as the Utes become the conference doormat this season!

  • Blue Blood...
    July 17, 2008 3:36 p.m.

    Well, I hope it's going to help you guys, but we are still going to beat the heck out of you......LOL!!

  • Selective History...
    July 17, 2008 3:32 p.m.

    "to provide the numbers that you want"

    you're too funny!

    Selective history is selecting the last 15 years, but not the last 3. Selecting recent head-to-head matchups, but ignoring the recent overall and conference records. Looking at recent individual games only.

    Counting recent success, but discounting recent failure.

    Except for three calamitous Crowton years and two marvelous Meyer years, the balance of power has been trending in BYU's favor since the inception of the WAC in 1962.

    How many top 25 finishes has Utah had, EVER?
    How many conference championships (in the last half century)?
    How many bowl appearances?
    How many national awards?

    Princeton, Yale and Harvard ALL have won more national championships in college football than Notre Dame or USC. Which schools have the best football programs TODAY?

    Comparing overall records is interesting, but is completely useless in comparing the recent trends of the BYU and Utah football programs.

  • Top 10 Worst
    July 17, 2008 3:28 p.m.

    Hey maybe....those bib unis the cougs used to dawn have to go down as the worse in college history. Also, USU called and they want their colors back.

  • Re: skittle is correct
    July 17, 2008 3:19 p.m.

    I would like to thank you for confirming, in your final paragraph, something I have claimed all along.


    You said that a lot of the BYU fans were wearing Oklahoma State gear. That just proves that the large number of BYU fans at road games are just the LDS members living near by that came to see the church school. THEY ARE NOT REALLY BYU FANS, and THEY DEFINITELY DIDN'T TRAVEL FROM PROVO UTAH.

    As for the Utes new uniforms, I think they look great! They will look even better when the team is celebrating the MWC championship in them!!

    Go Utes!!!

  • Mickey
    July 17, 2008 3:18 p.m.

    The yewts stole their fight song from Walt Disney. It sounds a lot like the Mickey Mouse March.

  • Fashion design
    July 17, 2008 3:18 p.m.

    I would like to know the percentage of byu fans that are fashion design majors...that's really great - I'm sure your boyfriends are quite pleased.

    I however don't care if our helmets match or not - I just like to watch football.

    Maybe all of you should watch ice skating - they usually have fun matching costumes that I'm sure you will all enjoy.

  • FACT?
    July 17, 2008 3:18 p.m.

    To the person who posted "FACT". Crawl out of your hole. And think again. There are a ton of well known UTES in Football. Your skewed view is ridiculous.

    Besides what are you doing posting on a Utes related article on a Utah paper? Doesn't that also defy your stance?

  • RE: Go Utes
    July 17, 2008 3:13 p.m.

    Leading for most of the games? Last year you didn't lead until 1:34 to go in the whole game! In 2006 you didn't take the lead until almost half way through the 3rd. You were lucky to be close in either of those games!

  • Sustained Success?????
    July 17, 2008 3:05 p.m.

    Since 1993, BYU has had SIX(6) seasons where they finished .500 or worse. Utah has only had TWO(2) during that same time. Utah has more bowl appearances during that time, more bowl VICTORIES during that time, and more head to head wins during that time. Aside from a couple of conference championships, Utah has been every bit as good as BYU(if not better) over the last 15 seasons.

    If you are having to go all the way back to the '70s and '80s to prove that your program is better, are they really better? Most likely not.

  • Talker
    July 17, 2008 3:08 p.m.

    haha. Led for MOST of the game(s)? What games were you watching?

  • Maybe ...
    July 17, 2008 3:04 p.m.

    Maybe these will get Utah off SI's top 10 worst college football uniform list. No wonder the players are excited.

    July 17, 2008 3:02 p.m.

    they would look sick in black - bring them out against the team from down south

  • They look nice.
    July 17, 2008 2:59 p.m.

    They really do look nice. Everybody will say, "at least they went down in style."

  • Utah will be good in 08
    July 17, 2008 3:01 p.m.

    If Johnson stays healthy Utah might be the best team in the MWC this year. BYU will be good on offense but defense is a question mark. BYU needs to be bigger on the D-line this year and more physical. If Utah beats Michigan in the opener look for a great season ahead. IF BYU can get both Washington and UCLA expect BYU to go undefeated the rest of the way.

  • Skittles has got a point
    July 17, 2008 2:57 p.m.

    I have been ashamed for several years now as I have watched man and boy after man and boy files into Cougar Stadium and then LES wearing every color in the rainbow - except blue. Some do wear it.

    I do not understand the mental condition you must be suffering from when you wake up in the morning to attend a BYU football game (assuming you are a BYU fan) and you put a pink or orange shirt.

    I just do not get it and it needs to stop.

    I believe it was Poppinga who coined the term "the stands look like a pack of Skittles" in 2006.

  • Ernest T. Bass
    July 17, 2008 2:57 p.m.

    zoobs proving once again to be obsessed with anything to do with THE University of Utah.

  • Nice looks from BYU fan
    July 17, 2008 2:54 p.m.

    Utah has nice looking uniforms - period. BYU also looks classy with their traditional design restored. Who is the better team in 08? Won't know the answer to that till about end of September so no use speculating.

  • Perfect Goal
    July 17, 2008 2:56 p.m.

    "Our goal is to go undefeated. We want to be in a Jan. 1 bowl game."

    FINALLY, someone from Utah who is willing to set a goal that includes more than beating BYU and winning a bowl game reserved for an also-ran in the MWC.

  • Choose the Right?
    July 17, 2008 2:55 p.m.

    Yep, I'm pretty sure that almost no one attended BYU in the 1920s and 30s. It was an Academy for the first 35 years of its existence, then a tiny University (think Westminster) until after WWII. It wasn't even accredited outside of the West until 1946, so very, VERY few people from that generation attended BYU. Total enrollment in 1945 was barely 1,000 students.

    Since someone was dumb enough to bring up the leaders of the LDS Church, however, it's interesting to note that Pres. Monson is a BYU MBA, and he also holds season tickets to BYU Basketball (not Ute Bball, sorry).

    Oops... I think I just heard a self-righteous bubble pop.

  • Sadly Skittles is Correct
    July 17, 2008 2:52 p.m.

    I am a big times Cougar fan and can testify that BYU fans are possibly the worst fans in the country at wearing their teams colors - last year we sadly had to have commercials that featured BYU players and coaches requesting BYU fans to please wear the team colors to the games. NO OTHER SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY HAS TO DO THAT. Not even lowely Utah State.

    It was better last year but there were way too many dudes cheering for BYU in pink and green polo shirts.

  • GO UTES!
    July 17, 2008 2:53 p.m.

    The new uni's look good. Under Armor's good quality.

    Also, to all the childish little posters from BYU, grow up. "FrUtes?" What are you in grade school? Do you realize how embarrassing it must be for the BYU program to have you representing their fans?

    BYU has a good program... But it's only been that way since Lavell; then wasn't again; and now for the last 2 years it is again.

    If you want to live off past glory, for like 70 years Utah was the dominant of the 2 programs, with dozens of conference championships.

    And again it wasn't that long ago that you were in your Crowten years. Don't get too proud of yourselves. Besides you only barely squeaked out a win against us the last 2 years, after we led you for most of the game(s).

    Save your Trash talk for November. Because if you haven't figured it out yet. Its better for both schools to be respected programs. Of course that may not have sunk in with some of you, especially the BYU poster making fun of Coach Whit's speach (a BYU grad).

  • Re:BYU Lady
    July 17, 2008 2:51 p.m.

    Sorry Utah did not have anyone approaching Hall Collie, or Unga on the whole team last year. Don't flatter yourself.

  • Skittles is correct
    July 17, 2008 2:47 p.m.

    I am a HUGE BYU fan (been to every BYU home game and many of the away games since 1987) but the sad and shaming fact remains:
    If I see one more BYU fan (MAN FAN) show up to a game with a pink polo shirt with the color popped up I will have to tear it off his girlyness.

    I cannot understand why BYU fans wear all colors (including the old 1980's and 1990's blue) but will not wear BYU BLUE to a game.
    Last year was MUCH better - but I still saw several BYU (man fans) wearing pink at the BYU-UCLA game.

    The shame was great - I think it is why we lost that game.
    Interestingly the next week at Tulsa the BYU fans were all wearing Oklahoma State gear but at least to their credit it wasn't PINK

  • re: DUDS!!
    July 17, 2008 2:46 p.m.

    i like to read some of the pathetic stuff BYU fans come up with on this board from time to time, but "DUDS!! at 2:06 pm" has to be the best one ever...claiming that BYU is better because they get more people on the DesNews message boards is absolutely hilarious...

    also, you can find game tickets to LES on ebay as well when the game is played there...i would know, i bought some...but Utah is not anymore spotted with blue on gameday as BYU is spotted with red...LES just holds more people...

    on that same point, the number of people that write on the message boards and attend the game do not make the football team a good team...while it can be a cool feeling to see that many people watching you, getting cheered by 30,000 or getting boo'd by 65,000 makes no difference on how you play...it will get you excited either way...ultimately it comes down the players, and we can't do anything about it as fans...

    good luck to both teams...i would say watch what you say, but we know BYU fans are too prideful to eat crow...dont tell that to their bishops though...

  • LOL
    July 17, 2008 2:47 p.m.

    byu gets lucky 2 years in a row and all of a sudden they've "dominated the past 30 years" hahahah good one

  • Re: Trend shmend
    July 17, 2008 2:44 p.m.

    Typical case of selective history to provide the numbers that you want. I don't think football started in the 1960's, so I bet that the totals they were referring to involve ALL of history, not just the part you like to remember.

    How bout this for a trend? The "magic", miracles, gifted ref calls, or whatever dumb luck that has handed BYU last second desperation W's the last 2 years will run out. You've used up all your luck for a lifetime the last 2 years when you should have won by a lot more (not nearly lost both). Now that we are pretty evenly matched and you have no hope.

  • Candy Apple Red
    July 17, 2008 2:43 p.m.

    The Candy Apple Red helmets with sparkles are cool--not sure if that qualifies as Crimson, but what the hey. The new uni's are better than the "Coke Classic" uni's.


    Now that they've addressed the uni's, it's time that Utah got rid of the lamest and most sexist college fight song lyrics EVER. Get with it Utah; move into the 21st century.

    "Utah MAN"

    I am a Utah Man, sir, and I live across the green,
    Our gang it is the jolliest that you have ever seen.
    Our coeds are the fairest and each one's a shining star,
    Our yell, you'll hear it ringing through the mountains near and far!
    Who am I, sir,
    A Utah Man am I!
    A Utah Man, sir,
    Will be 'til I die.
    We're up to snuff, we never bluff, we're game for any fuss.
    No other gang of college men dare meet us in a muss.
    So fill your lungs and sing it out and shout it to the sky,
    We'll fight for dear old crimson for a Utah Man am I!

  • BYU Lady
    July 17, 2008 2:44 p.m.

    Wow... Nowhere did I insinuate that the 2007 UNLV game had anything to do with the 2004 Utah season. How you leapt to that conclusion we may never know. The first paragraph of my comment was refuting the nonsensical dismissal of BYU's National Championship in 1984 given by "To the ladies of byu." The second paragraph was clearly alluded to the equally inane premise that BYU will lose at Washington. While they might, the entire argument of "To the ladies of BYU" was that Utah is great based on the past, but we'll assume that BYU will lose in the future. I took the logic back to the past (albeit the RECENT past) to draw some corollaries...

    Speaking of corollaries, did Utah lose to North Carolina in 2005? Just wondering... I'm not exactly sure how losses the year after a team is great matter, but since a Ute fan brought it up, I thought a Ute fan might know...

  • BYU Lady
    July 17, 2008 2:35 p.m.

    Take out Hall, Unga and Collie to injury and see how well you do against even UNLV.

  • Trend Schmend is correct
    July 17, 2008 2:33 p.m.

    We should all just read his post at 2:12 and sit quietly and deeply and thoughtfully consider how superior BYU is.

    Thank you for your time

  • Skittles
    July 17, 2008 2:30 p.m.

    HAHA Sea of Blue! When BYU shows up there'a all sorts of colors! Going to BYU game is like jumping into a bag of Skittles!

  • Wait just a minute!!
    July 17, 2008 2:25 p.m.

    Kewgar fans are going to lecture Utah about uniform colors?!?!

    Need I remind you of the debacle that was the BIB-UNIFORMS, not to mention the introduction of copper or gold or rust or whatever that was supposed to be as a NEW school color!

    Kewgar fans have no room to talk uniform smack until they give the Aggies back their blue.

  • Re You Can Put
    July 17, 2008 2:19 p.m.

    You can say that again! Just look at the hogs down at byU!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • oK
    July 17, 2008 2:18 p.m.

    They look just as bad and red as the last ones!

  • Fact
    July 17, 2008 2:18 p.m.

    Like it or not BYU has won the last two games in football - that is the fact. Who cares who won in 1996 or 2004. The team who won last is all that matters. And BYU won the last game.
    If Utah win this year then that changes.

    Another fact: Nation-wide NO ONE cares about the U's football team - they are not mentioned. I live in Nebraska and people don't know the difference between Utah and Utah State. But everyone knows who BYU is. Everyone. Utah had a couple of good years (a few years ago). BYU has had overall sustained success since College football became nationally relevant (outside Southbend Indiana and Anne Arbor). 90% of college football fans nationwide culd not tell you more than two players who have ever played football for Utah. That is not the case with BYU - and if you think otherwise you are an idiot.

    This just needs to be accepted and we can all move on.

  • New Uni's
    July 17, 2008 2:18 p.m.

    I like the New Uni's.
    Under Armor makes some pretty cool gear.

    I hate to wish the summer away but, I can't wait for the season to start. I'm way excited to see how the team does this year. It looks to be a great year!

  • Trend schmend
    July 17, 2008 2:12 p.m.

    "Utah has more conference championships in football. Has more wins against BYU and the trend will continue order will be restored."

    Conference Championships Last 5 Decades
    1960s - 1
    1970s - 0
    1980s - 0
    1990s - 2
    2000s - 2

    1960s - 1
    1970s - 5
    1980s - 7
    1990s - 7
    2000s - 3

    Utah hasn't won more than 2 championships in a row in more than half a century.

    BYU has won 65% of its games since 1962.
    Utah has won 52% of its games since 1962.

    Meyer and Crowton are history.
    Bronco and Kyle are the new order.

    In his first 3 seasons, Bronco is 28-10 (74%) overall; 21-3 (88%) in the MWC; 2-1 vs Utah; 2 conference championships; and 2 Top 25 finishes.

    In his first 3 seasons, Kyle is 24-14 (63%) overall; 14-10 (58%) in the MWC; 1-2 vs BYU; 0 conference championships; and 0 Top 25 finishes.

    As an avid BYU fan, I'm thoroughly enjoying the trend. Order, and BYU, has been restored.

  • Helmets
    July 17, 2008 2:11 p.m.

    I hope they keep the same color of helmets that they have used the past 3 years. The old red color is so ugly it makes me puke!

  • I will hand it to them
    July 17, 2008 2:10 p.m.

    As mentioned before - it is nice that the helmet color actualy matches the uniform color now.

    I am not a Utah fan but if the Utes did a Red jersey with black pants that would be pretty awesome. Even better looking than all black

  • Choose the Right
    July 17, 2008 2:06 p.m.

    To "Resore Order!!!" 12:43...I believe President Hinckley and President Monson graduated from Utah, what does that say about your perfect little world?

    "Putting them to good use" you sound like a 10 year old bully. Your arguement is weak. Can you back up your claim that "a long time ago" BYU used navy? Maybe...maybe as an accent color, but I've always known Aggie Blue belonging to the Aggies.

    Why are there so many Y fans commenting on this story anyway? And so negatively? Aren't you all supposed to be above this, living "the right way"? BYU needs to drop its sports program for the sake of the members of the LDS church. They say it does missionary work, but all I ever see in that aspect is hate and venom. It turns otherwise good people into monsters. It is a source of unrighteous pride.

  • DUDS!!
    July 17, 2008 2:06 p.m.

    Even when the u of u tries to look good, they look bad. It is nice that the three or four u of u fans are prolific posters so that it looks like they are legion. Once again, I would like to thank the u of u fans that sell their home game tickets on ebay so that BYU fans can have a SEA of BLUE at the ute game on November 22.

  • Colors?
    July 17, 2008 2:03 p.m.

    Utah actually needs to decide on a color! Your helmets have never matched your uniforms. Which is it, Crimson or Candy Apple Red? Do you want cute little sparkles with that?

  • You Can Put
    July 17, 2008 2:00 p.m.

    lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig!

  • @New Sheriff
    July 17, 2008 1:52 p.m.

    Your stats are correct (I think).

    However, your conclusion is in error.

    Utah did dominate the first 40 years of the series. BYU then dominated the next 30 years (not 45 as you stated).

    The last 15 years have not been dominated by either team even though Utah has the head to head edge and BYU has the conference championship edge. Things have been pretty even since 1993.

  • @BYU Lady
    July 17, 2008 1:47 p.m.

    You are looking at a Utah/UNLV game in 2007 to somehow determine the legitimacy of the 2004 team? That's quite a stretch.

    If I recall correctly, BYU was beaten by UTEP (yes UTEP) the year after their 1984 championship team. That is pretty embarassing.

    However, the bottom line is that 1985 BYU/UTEP game had nothing to do with the 1984 team. And, the 2007 Utah/UNLV game had nothing to do with the 2004 Utah team.

  • Who cares?
    July 17, 2008 1:41 p.m.

    I'm not a Utah fan, but I like the uniforms.

    I think both Utah and BYU will have a great 2008. Stop throwing around stats and trash talk. Let's just play some football. The game scores will speak for themselves.

  • Uniforms
    July 17, 2008 1:41 p.m.

    Hey Y fans, why are u commenting on a UTAH article? Do you really love the U that much? That's kinda sad... same goes for the U fans that post on byU articles. Oh and Coogs you're right- uniforms don't help you beat your rival. Look at byU's year in 05. You know what helps byU win against Utah? Prayers and Miracles. Not skill.

  • Typical Ute Haters
    July 17, 2008 1:38 p.m.

    Remember Cougar fans (term used lightly)The overall series BYU VS Utah has been dominated by Utah the past 30 years does not a series make. Utah has more conference championships in football. Has more wins against BYU and the trend will continue order will be restored.

  • cush
    July 17, 2008 1:24 p.m.

    Speaking of team color changes.... Does it look like they have moved back to the cherry red helmet, and away from the darker helmet they where so hip on a few years back?

  • New Sheriff in Town
    July 17, 2008 1:23 p.m.

    Unfortunately for Utah, the Skyline Conference and Utah's football dominance over BYU disappeared into the sunset with the dawning of the new Western Athletic Conference in 1962.

    And, a new sheriff came to town.

    Utah had their last hurrah in the 1964 Liberty Bowl, then disappeared from the bowl scene for the next 3 decades.

    Before 1962

    Utah--310-173-27 (61%); 31-2-4 vs BYU; 20 conference championships; 1 bowl; 0 top 20/25 finishes

    BYU--128-179-22 (39%); 2-31-4 vs Utah; 0 conference championships; 0 bowls; 0 top 20/25 finishes

    Since 1962 (WAC/MWC)

    BYU--356-190-4 (65%); 28-18 vs Utah; 23 conference championships; 26 bowls; 15 top 20/25 finishes

    Utah--272-244--4 (52%); 18-28 vs BYU; 5 conference championships; 12 bowls; 3 or 4 top 20/25 finishes

    For the first 40 years, Utah dominated BYU in football.

    For the last 45 years, BYU has dominated Utah in football.

  • Cougars go UNDEFEATED!!!
    July 17, 2008 1:22 p.m.

    To all of you stupid ute fans, new uniforms will not help you from getting crushed against BYU this year. You guys are just jealous that you were not accepted into BYU in the first place, so you had to settle for less! P.S. Congrats on finally having you helmets the same color as the rest of your butt ugly uniforms!

    Go Cougars!!

  • putting them to good use
    July 17, 2008 1:02 p.m.

    All you aggie fans can shut yer pie holes about BYu's colors and be grateful someone is putting them to good use instead of associating them with "team that can't win". Besides, a long time ago that color was BYu's then they went to royal blue and then back to navy again.

  • BYU Lady
    July 17, 2008 12:54 p.m.

    It's true, BYU's National Championship was clinched against a perennially powerful Michigan team that was 6-5. Utah, on the other hand, obviously deserved to be National Champions after beating a perennially mediocre that accidentally earned a BCS berth (Big East) and ended up 9-4.

    But yes, after BYU loses to Washington, BYU fans will hang their heads in shame... The Utes, on the other hand, will attempt to score against UNLV this year. 27-7 is a little more respectable than getting blanked by the Conference doormat.

  • not new recruits?
    July 17, 2008 12:55 p.m.

    When I saw the headline I thought it was going to be an article about their new recruits (new duds)...

  • Classy
    July 17, 2008 12:52 p.m.

    I love the classy photo shoot they had in front of a chain link fence on the side of the road. Did gymnastics have their press room scheduled?

  • Colors
    July 17, 2008 12:46 p.m.

    Hey cougirls, at least we know what our colors are. you guys have a little identity crisis. are you royal and white, aggie and gold, or aggie blue and white? What's in store the NEXT ten years?

  • Restore Order!!!
    July 17, 2008 12:43 p.m.

    Interesting... "Restore Order!!!" accidentally noted that since 2006 BYU is 2-0 vs. Utah in football and 4-0 vs. Utah in basketball. But if you eliminate all of the games that BYU won and assume that Utah won every game played in the history of the rivalry, then BYU is a bunch of losers and Utah is AMAZING!!! In fact, Utah is so AMAZING that their President is a BYU grad, their Head Football Coach is a BYU grad, and their only perfect football season was immediately followed by the Head Coach heading South. Oops...

  • Re: WHY
    July 17, 2008 12:34 p.m.

    We have alternate black uni's. They are on NCAA Football '09. All black ones.

  • ugly
    July 17, 2008 12:27 p.m.

    congrats yewts your helmets finally match the jerseys

  • WHY
    July 17, 2008 12:21 p.m.

    Red on red again? Come on! Let's try something new that doesn't look dumb. How bout white pants? Or heck, lets try some alternate black uni's for a change.

  • To the ladies of byu
    July 17, 2008 12:23 p.m.

    All these little BYU fans like to pick when to pull statistics from, why not he entrie history of the series? In football, Utah 54, BYU 33. In basketball, Utah 124, BYU 121. Don't worry, I will give you credit for you NC against a 6-5 Michigan that was won in the last four minutes. Let me ask a question of you all, after you lose to washington, do we get to change the fight song to rise and shout the cougars have choked at the beginning of the season again...?

  • Re: Uniforms
    July 17, 2008 12:18 p.m.

    30 year history? That seems to be an interesting time frame. By the way since 1978, BYU 19, Utah 11. OK you win.

    What is the record between the two in the last 15? That seems like relevant history. Utah 9, BYU 6.

    History restored....... I can't wait for this year.

    You fans in blue have set your self up for a huge let down. It is going to be quite fun to see the sad faces on Sunday.

    You have a few more weeks to crow but the reality will soon start to set in.

  • re: concast-hater
    July 17, 2008 12:10 p.m.

    You summed it up nicely. Can't wait for Aug. 30.

    July 17, 2008 12:08 p.m.

    Since '93 Utah is 9-6 against byU in football. And is 24-14 against byU in basketball. Take away the past two years and the kewgs record is pretty pathetic. (9-4 and 24-10)

  • Ute in Philadelphia
    July 17, 2008 12:02 p.m.

    Not bad. MAJOR improvement over that lame "trendy" Univ. of Miami "Coke-can" look we've been using since Meyer left. Nevertheless, I still liked the unis worn by our players back in the Fassell/McBride era much better.

    GO UTES!!!

  • concast-hater
    July 17, 2008 11:58 a.m.

    I'm so excited for football I actually read this no-news article. Who cares? Just start the kick off!

  • Utes/Duds
    July 17, 2008 11:41 a.m.

    "...U to unveil new duds..."

    DN strikes again!

  • kewgers ought to change also...
    July 17, 2008 11:36 a.m.

    I think a uniform patterned after Hello kitty would suit them better. After all we all know they are the little sister to UTAH!!! p.s. wouldn't cosmo look cute?

    Go Utes!!!!

  • Go Utes
    July 17, 2008 11:01 a.m.

    At least the new uni's won't have a white bib on the front of the jersey. Like the color thieves from down south.

  • Crimson beautiful Crimson
    July 17, 2008 10:50 a.m.

    Can't wait to see a sea of Crimson again this year at a BCS bowl. Cougar fans can relate, there is a sea of BYU Aggie Blue every year at the Las Vegas Bowl.

  • Whatever Dude
    July 17, 2008 10:42 a.m.

    What do you mean order will be restored to the universe with Utah beating BYU? Since when has Utah had a constistently beat BYU in both Football and Basketball? Other than a small period, it hasn't happened during the past 30 years. There is no need to restore order, it was already done with the hirings of Mendenhall and Rose. Go Cougars!

  • Uniforms
    July 17, 2008 10:32 a.m.

    When will the Frutes realize simply changing uniforms will not better their chances against BYU.

    Order has been restored to the universe and conference with BYU dominating, check your thirty year history.

  • I agree
    July 17, 2008 10:34 a.m.

    Why did ByU steal the colors from Utah State?

  • Re: duds
    July 17, 2008 10:09 a.m.

    Best post ever!

  • BYU Uni's are a joke
    July 17, 2008 9:53 a.m.

    Hey byU fans, how about you give the Aggies back their colors now?

    Utah WILL beat byU this year in both Football and Basketball. Order will be restored to the Universe and byU fans will be left to ponder how come they aren't living right.

    Go Utes!!!

  • Excitement
    July 17, 2008 9:25 a.m.

    Some possible synonyms for Coach Whittingham to add to the vocabulary in the future:

  • "I think were exited that we're
    July 17, 2008 9:21 a.m.

    "I think we're exited that we're excited because of all this excitement we really have become excited. Really, if you think about all the excitment you will realize that this is all very exciting. I am certianly excited and the players are excited to."

  • sweet....
    July 17, 2008 8:45 a.m.

    icing on the cake!

  • Say it again
    July 17, 2008 8:37 a.m.

    Do you think Coach Whittingham could possibly say Under Armor or excited a few more times?

  • 3 BYU fans above
    July 17, 2008 8:28 a.m.

    Obsessed with Utah football.

  • Prediction!
    July 17, 2008 8:25 a.m.

    New, old, nice, or ugly, the uniforms won't help Utah beat BYU this year! Here is my prediction: BYU beats Utah, and Utah takes off their uniforms after the game and begins burning the uniforms on the field because they believe the new uni's jinxed them against BYU, and Utah drops their Under Armour sponsor!

  • I'm glad...
    July 17, 2008 7:44 a.m.

    that the Utah Players are excited about their new uniforms. I'm glad that coach Whittingham is of the opinion that "that is what it is all about".

  • DUDS?
    July 17, 2008 7:13 a.m.

    An appropriately titled article when talking about the U of U football team.

  • Ry
    July 17, 2008 1:29 a.m.

    We Must Protect This House!