No, Ryan, I understood just fine. You said that God sent a rare storm that
started hundreds of little fires. What didn't I understand? That's what you
wrote. Don't run and hide from your words. You want to blame gay people for
fires. That's just stupid. At least own up to it.
What?!? Did somebody actually say this? So who is to blame for all the fires
that hit California every year? How many acres of Massachusetts are burning?
Yes, you got criticism for this. That is because it is one of the stupidest
things ever seen in a letters column.This is the sort of brain-dead
crap that idiots drag out every time they need to blame gays for something.
Turn your brain on, please.
hold on,I get the feeling you aren't trying to understand what I
wrote. Perhaps you should do that before criticizing it. respectfully,Ryan
Ryan, you claim a "loving God" just might be sending "gentle reminders" to the
people of California, in the form of fire?So, first, how do consider
flames engulfing a home and destroying everything a person has, "gentle?" How do
you consider a death from heat or smoke to be "gentle?" And how has God chosen
which of his children to punish? Are only gay people effected by the fires? Or
are others being punished for their transgressions, even though you believe a
man is punished only for his own sins?This is no respect in your
comments. There is irrationality, bigotry, anger and falsehood. But no, there's
no respect.You know, I can't believe I'm wasting my time commenting
to someone that is so absorbed in his self-righteousness that they cannot even
see when they are offending the very God they claim to follow. Good luck with
to a real christian 12:38 am....just so you know, the God of the Old Testament
and Christ of the New Testament are the same being.to Jewish take
4:20 pm... please read Jude in the New Testament and you will understand what
the stench of S&G were...spells it out pretty plainly.
Jeff's god sounds a bit vindictive.That makes me thankful for my loving
RE: FROM A REAL CHRISTIANJesus did not replace the law of moses (the
lower law)HE re-introduced the higher law. The law his people were
living before the law of moses was instituted becasue the the poeple at that
time could not or would not by their disobedience live by the higher law (which
the ten commandments were actually a part).RE: JEWISH TAKEWhile you are right, However, their sins were not limited
to that, evidenced by the men who wanted to "take" Lots visitors for
"Despite the common perception that the sin of Sodom was rampant sexual vice,
Jewish literature has largely rejected this reading. The Prophet Ezekiel locates
the sin of Sodom in its inhospitality, its cruelty and perversion of justice,
and not in homosexuality. He describes Sodom as arrogant and insensitive to
human need. The residents of Sodom had plenty of bread and untroubled
tranquility, yet they refused to support the poor and the needy.Among early rabbinic commentators, the common reading of the sin of Sodom was
its cruelty, arrogance and disdain for the poor. The sages of the Babylonian
Talmud also associated Sodom with the sins of pride, envy, cruelty to orphans,
theft, murder, and perversion of justice. While the event which sealed the fate
of the Sodomites was their demand for Lot to bring out his guests so that the
mob might know them, this still was not seen so much as an act of sexual excess,
but as hatred of the stranger and exploitation of the weak. Midrashic writers
lavishly portray Sodom and the surrounding cities as arrogant and
self-satisfied, destroyed for the sins of greed and indifference to the poor."
Do you think the floods in Iowa are punishment for all the same-sex corn they
grow?And what secret transgression did Chris Cannon commit?
Gay people are the reason for fires?Move evidence that people have gone
"To John | 11:40 a.m. July 13, 2008The God of the OT turned people
to pillars of Salt, he MO during the period of time was vengeful. The new law
changed that. Yes it may be the same person, but there are stark differences as
to how he acted."Uhhh, is He or is He not, an unchanging God? I see no scripture anywhere that says God has changed, but I do see a
book at the end of the Bible, wherein God kills both good and evil people with
impunity, so the original notion that God does not punish people, has no
traction, according to the Bible.
California has species of endemic plants whose seeds can't germinate without
being subjected to fire first. The indigenous Californians where gay too?
Sarcasm!!Perhaps God is unhappy with the attitude in Utah regarding
the rights of homosexuals and will unleash a horde of locusts this Autumn in
time for the harvest!The only scary thing about such a statement is
that some actually believe it. Remember that Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson
blameed pagans, abortionists, feminists, gays and lesbians for the terrorist
attacks in New York and Washington.For the religiously extreme who
subsist on such drivel, it's interesting to have such simplistic explainations
for everything that happens. It also provides a means for them to justify their
prejudice and bigotry.Supposedly nothing bad ever happens to someone
without themselves to blame. It may not be evident, but with some investigation
a reason for the bad event is sure to be found. The next time devestating
floods come to Utah, it will certainly be due to God venting his wrath on the
immorality and sin that He finds so distasteful.
Such sick, delusions.
hold on...,To those of us who believe the whole world will be
destroyed by fire, it is not far-fetched to think that a loving God would send
gentle reminders.In this case, a rare storm with hundreds of bolts
of lightning starting hundreds of small fires. I don't whether it
was intended as a reminder or not. But the letter writer may be on to something,
despite the poor choice of word "punish," due to the inadvertent implications of
spite (even still, one should not punish a child out of spite, but to help the
child grow). Respectfully,Ryan
I realize I will take some flak over this, but what is the possibility that all
those (insert tragic, natural calamity here) in (some region of the world)
aren't some sort of repercussion from allowing (a behavior that is
non-conforming to a specific geographic culture and mindset yet otherwise
legally based and accepted elsewhere in the world)?Clearly, not one
possibility.Please cancel my subscription to this newspaper.
Why do you worship a horrible (and I mean really horrible) God who harms
innocents and the environment because he is displeased by the actions of a few.
I find such a view reprehensible. I have also seen no evidence that there is a
God that punishes regions for their politics or morality. There are immoral
areas that go unpunished and other areas that receive far more catastrophe than
warranted. I think its time for you to view the world as an adult.
The God of the OT turned people to pillars of Salt, he MO during the period of
time was vengeful. The new law changed that. Yes it may be the same person, but
there are stark differences as to how he acted.
If God were sending a message to Californians or anyone else, wouldn't he also
send someone to make sure that the message was RECEIVED and UNDERSTOOD?
Otherwise, it's just "random", and we have no reason to think we are more guilty
than the unfortunate people of Myanmar.
Ok, if that were the case, I would say the fire would have struck the California
Supreme Court building while they were deliberating on some laws. This one is
just plain silly.When the wildfires reach Utah (and we will get
some), lets blame them on the judgmental, holier than thou attitudes of a
portion of this community. When are we going to start treating all people with
the respect they deserve?
I think fire is to blame. I heard him on the radio the other day. He's got to
Marriage is currently available to same-sex couples in six countries. The
Netherlands was the first, in 2001. Same-sex marriages are also legal in
Belgium, Canada, Norway, South Africa and Spain, along with the U.S. states of
Massachusetts and California.The first same-sex union with
government recognition was obtained in Denmark in 1989. Civil unions, civil
partnership, domestic partnership, unregistered partnership/unregistered
co-habitation or registered partnerships offer varying amounts of the benefits
of marriage and are available in: Andorra, Australia, Colombia, Croatia, Czech
Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Israel,
Luxembourg, New Zealand, Portugal, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, the United
Kingdom and Uruguay. They are also available in some parts of Argentina, Brazil,
Mexico, the U.S. states of California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maine, New
Hampshire, New Jersey, Oregon, Vermont, Washington, and the District of
Columbia.Yep. It's a Second-Coming epidemic out there. Guess we
should wipe it all clean so there won't be anymore of these pesky "natural"
disasters.Let the Jeff Porters and the Deseret News' of the world
continue carrying the torch of bigotry toward that which is unfamiliar and
confusing to them.How embarrassing for you, newspaper, to have even
thought about considering to run such a banal statement.
No, knowing the typical Utahn zealot it probably wasn't.
Jeff, I'm certain you are correct.I'm equally certain that the
recent rise in gas prices is global punishment for the Deseret News choosing to
publish your asinine letters.
What sinning did Utahns do last year to bring on that huge fire in the middle of
the state that caused so much havoc, then?
I believe God has a stake in each individual's life and loves us all as
individuals. It's a mistake to think we can determine the purpose for all the
tragedies that occur in this world. They probably have myriad purposes and
affect those affected all in different ways. Let's please stop with the blanket
judgmental statements. We don't know the mind and will of God, except maybe
small glimpses for our own personal lives. We can't say what His will is for
others, unless you're the prophet.
" from a real christian. | 12:38 a.m. July 13, 2008God does not punish,
the God of the Old Testament and his method was replaced by a new law when
Christ was born. Christ IS the God of the OT.I beg to
differ, but it appears you are unfamiliar with the book of Revelation. God does,
has, and will punish.Usually, His -punishment- is His withdrawal of
His protections and blessings, which leaves us open to the buffetings of satan.
A punishment all in itself.As for JTM@8:31, God is not sick and
spiteful, but He will, and has, caused, the deaths of more people than you can
count. We think its punishment when an innocent is taken, but He has a different
view of what is important,and what is not. This life, is not all there is. It is
a blip on the radar of our existence. Being taken from here, is not punishment.
The Lord often preaches His own sermons, and its not always pretty
The fires are being started by terrorists.
So Jeff thinks the gays brought about the fires. Ryan thinks it's a test, a
trial. Either way, God is an arson, in your worlds. How sick is that?Ryan, God has to start a fire to remind people of him? Really? How ironic that
a moronic supposition is signed "respectfully."I want no part of the
God you two follow. And I am sick of self-righteous, self-appointed zealots who
claim to know the mind of God.Jeff, I am glad that you realized you
might take some flak for this letter. At least you knew how dumb the idea was
before you wrote it. But then, after this realization, why did you write it...?
no, its not possible, because that would make him a sick and spiteful person if
he hurt and tortured people just to punish. Furthermore, what makes you think
the victims of these fires have anything to do with this supposed "sinning?" By
living in the same state? Would God punish certain people for others' sins? I
I don't think you are going to get much traction on this "retribution" theory
until Las Vegas is besieged by a few fires, earthquakes, and tornados.
Joe Moe,I don't know if "punish" is the right word, but I do believe
God gives us trials to help turn us to Him. Perhaps the people in California
needed something to do just that. Respectfully,Ryan
Guess you agree with that nutty Pastor who said that 9/11 was because of the
gays and of course your buddies the westboro Baptists that picket funerals of
Solders that were killed in the middle east because america is tolerant of gays
God does not punish, the God of the Old Testament and his method was replaced by
a new law when Christ was born. This is the same rhetoric I heard with Hurricane
Katrina... Maybe God is punishing New Orleans for their wickedness. The major firestorms that occur each summer are almost a yearly event. Who do
we blame for the Southern California fires from last years? and the year before
when half the state of Utah was a blaze?I am sick of extreme
Christians always trying to point blame and cast judgment on people. Go read the New Testament, and try to justify your attitude. God is one of
love, and reached out to the ones in sin. I can see your type as the scribes and
Pharisees that were trying to pass judgment on Jesus.
When California homosexual couples start spontaneously bursting into flames, I
will lean your way. Until then, I guess it's possible...
Good one. And on that note, I think that's kind of like what happened to the
Willie/Martin handcart companies. They must have done something pretty terrible
we don't know about to bring on such a harsh, early winter.