Rec centers not a gang cure

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  • Randy Ford
    July 11, 2008 1:42 a.m.

    Most responses clearly miss the point. This is a satirical indictment of the "quick fixes" and "simple solutions" (always neither) suggested by liberals now in charge in cities like Salt Lake and elsewhere. Glendale and many other communities are increasingly devoid of sound values. Values start at home, homes with parents who teach RULES, BOUNDRIES and LIMITATIONS to their children. When homes lack those values, GANGS will gladly substitute their own "GANG" values. That leads to death and destruction. No "rec center" or any other "liberal" bandaid can replace a strong family with RULES, BOUNDRIES and LIMITATIONS. Make sense? If you have values already, YES. If you've never been taught them, or don't "value" values (i.e., LIBERAL - anything goes), probably no.

  • RE: a fix?
    July 9, 2008 6:31 p.m.

    Aren't they shooting people at all times of the day or night?

    YOu bet they are!

    All rec centers do is enertain them for a couple of hours, give them another place to hange out.

  • A fix?
    July 9, 2008 3:22 p.m.

    You can't play midnight basket ball and drive around shooting people at the same time.

  • Wilkey
    July 9, 2008 3:04 p.m.

    *** "And what if parents took their children to church and taught them not to be selfish and not to get tattoos and not to wear clown pants and not to get piercings and not to be anti-social gangsters? What if there was no rec center and parents made their children do yard work and spend time as a family?" ***

    What if more families stayed together and fathers did their jobs and parents taught their kids the important virtues, including, possibly, going to church? Well, you might have a state with the lowest rates of teen births, illegitimacy, STD infection, and violent crime in the nation; and you might have a state with one of the highest graduation rates, too.

    Oh, wait, we have that here - except for in places like Glendale.

    You can pick nits with Mr. Taylor all you want, but you have to admit he has more than half a point.

  • Brecia Rife
    July 9, 2008 1:42 p.m.

    Rec Centers not a Gang Cure? Well, maybe not, but they sure help.
    I grew up in WA, and we had gangs there too, and although I haven't been here in UT long enough to develop an opinion regarding it's Rec Centers, if they're anything like WA's, then they are an immeasurably good influence on young people here. Rec Centers are there for kids whose parents can't or won't take them to Church, or help them build any kind of spiritual identity at all; who don't talk to their kids about important things like what a family is, or what society expects from productive members.
    Like it or not, Vardell, not everyone has what we call "Good Parents", and parents of any kind aren't going to hop to just because you wag your finger at them in the opinion section of some news paper. So Rec Centers pick up the slack. They provide things like adults willing to listen, other kids with similar problems and stories, and most importantly, they provide a positive environment where kids become peers reaching out for friendship and the strength to see the good and wholesome beyond the bad and scary. Speaking from Experience.

  • Brecia Rife
    July 9, 2008 1:33 p.m.

    Rec Centers not a Gang Cure? Well, maybe not, but they sure help.
    I grew up in WA, and we had gangs there too, and although I haven't been here in UT long enough to develop an opinion regarding it's Rec Centers, if they're anything like WA's, then they are an immeasurably good influence on young people here. Rec Centers are there for kids whose parents can't or won't take them to Church, or help them build any kind of spiritual identity at all; who don't talk to their kids about important things like what a family is, or what society expects from productive members.
    Like it or not, Vardell, not everyone has what we call "Good Parents", and parents of any kind aren't going to hop to just because you wag your finger at them in the opinion section of some news paper. So Rec Centers pick up the slack. They provide things like adults willing to listen, other kids with similar problems and stories, and most importantly, they provide a positive environment where kids become peers reaching out for friendship and the strength to see the good and wholesome beyond the bad and scary. Speaking from Experience.

  • Whatever
    July 9, 2008 12:40 p.m.

    I'm reminded of a old friend John who died because of alcoholism a few years back. John would go on church events (not LDS) so he could escape his parent's over sight and use drugs.

    I stopped attending church at eight. The only churches I have entered are Cathedrals in Europe. I never joined a gang. I had interests like art and travel. The same attribute that made sacrament meetings boring in the extreme made exploring new possibilities innate for me.

    When I read the back biting here I'm glad I stopped going to church. I have nothing in common with that culture.

  • hold on...
    July 9, 2008 12:07 p.m.

    This letter is so so devoid of reason it is hardly worth a response. And yet, here I go...

    How does the writer know what effect the rec center has had on the community? How does he know whether or not the rec center has prevented 50 people from becoming gang members? What research has he done?

    This lame letter was just an excuse to attack Rocky Anderson. But that's what's important to some people.

  • Anonymous
    July 9, 2008 12:00 p.m.

    Wait! Is this the same as the "Sorenson Multicultural Center"? Ad aren't gangs just another one of the lovely multi cultures we get to sample in this modern age?

    Ah - the illegal Latin American culture. One more benefit provided by our lovely, thoughtful politicians and their big business cronies.

    Thanks for the laugh, Mr. Taylor.

  • Chris Plummer
    July 9, 2008 11:38 a.m.

    You are right, it is not a cure, it is a prevention method, giving those kids who have nowhere to go a place to have fun, rather then hang out with gangs.

  • Hatuletoh
    July 9, 2008 11:27 a.m.

    What if Glendale enjoyed the volunteer services of selfless, church-going, right thinking citizens from West Jordan?

  • Thomas
    July 9, 2008 11:22 a.m.

    The idea that "education" prevents people of bad character from turning criminal is laughable. Educate a thug, and all you do is create a crooked mortgage broker.

  • Time for war
    July 9, 2008 10:43 a.m.

    I have read volumes about the gang culture and have reached a conclusion, its time for all out war against these insidious gangsters, they have no social redeeming value, they contribute nothing to society, and in fact act much like parasites and preditors.
    We as a people must actively take part in this war, reporting any and all gang activity to our gang task forces.

  • Hmmm
    July 9, 2008 9:59 a.m.

    Mr. Taylor your argument is flawed. I have several tattoos and a couple piercings and I have NEVER belonged to a gang.

    My question would be why are you writting a letter to a newspaper instead of your local political leaders? Why aren't you getting up and away from the computer and instead make a few dozen phone calls and organize a community effort to let people know that this isn't acceptable?

    If you have all the answers, why aren't you doing more? Why aren't YOU running for office and making the city safer? It's far easier to sit home and criticize the ex-mayor than to actually DO SOMETHING.

    If your not fixing the problem, you ARE the problem.

  • Anonymous
    July 9, 2008 8:13 a.m.

    If I were in a position of Political Power, I would lock these kids up just for being in gang.

  • Anonymous
    July 9, 2008 7:33 a.m.

    Thou doth protest too much. It's not rockys' fault, and you'd gripe if the rec centre wasn't there. It's not like whether some church was across the street that made the difference, either. You kind of asked what if they had been raised in the fifties or something, if only they had been good Rockwellian Americans. The problems, and solutions, are actually probably a lot more complex than the presence of the rec centre.

  • jr
    July 9, 2008 6:51 a.m.

    Rec centers can be a breeding ground for gangs

  • Anonymous
    July 9, 2008 6:48 a.m.

    Mr. Taylor you and the other blow hards on the readers forum and these boards seem to have all the answers, maybe we should send then all to you to for straitening out. Our are you just like the rest all talk and no action? My guess is youre just like the rest and can only blow wind from the peanut gallery.