GOP, Big Oil push shale in Utah

Critics say development would be costly, drain water supplies

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  • Thomas
    July 6, 2008 8:38 p.m.

    We should have been drilling years ago and extracting the oil from shale years ago.

    There are those--environmentalists, democrats and communists--who seem to want to keep us dependent on foreign oil. Obama is opposed to drilling in ANWR and the continental shelf, while the Cubans and Chinese slant drill off our coasts, extracting the oil we can't because of laws passed by the liberals and environmentalists.

    Obama seems to want to all our eggs in one basket, searching for alternative energy sources while not developing our oil resources. It would seem wiser to develop our oil resources while we search for and develop alternative energy sources. We ought to eventually become energy self-sufficient and divorce ourselves from the Arabs and their blood-and-terrorist-tainted oil.

  • G
    July 6, 2008 8:20 p.m.

    Typical behavior in modern America: propose a solution (oil shale), get lots of blame in return.

  • Joes45acp
    July 5, 2008 3:27 p.m.

    To totally off the grid, you must be talking about our President's home, his Texas ranch is off grid, he sells excess power back to the power co's, collects rainwater for irrigation, while Al Bore's McMansion consumes 10x the power of the average American, and just one of his private flights releases more pollution and uses more natural resources than you and I will in our entire lifetime. I ride one of my big bore Harley's more than I use my gas guzzling P/U, and the Harley get's nearly 50mpg, does about 0 damage to the infrastructure(roads)and used a whole lot less raw materials to produce, so lets see more motorcycles out there, again Europe leads us here. And, far fewer of you would cut me off cause 'you just didn't see me' if you rode as well. I still stand by my statement of making Congress responsible for trying out all these mandates before they push them on us, lead us by example. And the oil leases not being used? Maybe no oil is there to drill for? Drill where we know it is, offshore, Anwar, shale, wherever. And build more refineries in Mexico if needed.

  • Joes45acp
    July 5, 2008 2:33 p.m.

    I'm a bit concerned about the shale drilling and possible ground water contamination as I just purchased my retirement home in Pahrump, NV, right next to Utah, and I get my water from a ground well. But, if the oil is there, we should try and get it. Instead of generating hot water from a power plant, we could build a Nuclear Reactor, and use the cooling water as a heat source, and also gain a cheap alternative to fossil fueled electricity. One contributor said 'we could have an electric car in every driveway'...but we do need power, they need to be plugged in, and what about all the lead used in the production of batteries? If Congress wants all these things, then let them start by mandating all Gov't auto's be electric first, no more big limo's, they all ride in Prius's, and no more private flights, Congress flies Commercial, just as they used to. All the mandates by government are first tried on government before making us the lab rats. And let's see a prolifiration of atomic power plants as in Europe, cheap, unlimited energy.

  • Bakken Oil Field play is....
    July 4, 2008 12:21 p.m.

    gaining momentum. Canadians are drilling like crazy and ramping up production.

    This is deeper oil than originally thought to have existed. Is abiotic theory of oil true after all?

    Wow the enviro-whackos will be sqawking the lies on this one soon.

  • mark
    July 3, 2008 3:37 p.m.

    Fedup, you say, "You think big oil is rolling in the money, they must pay for getting that gas to your gas station...the government just gets all it's money without doing a thing"
    They don't do a thing except build the roads for the oil companies to drive on to get the oil to your gas station. Supply the emergency response for when a oil semi is involved in an accident. Provide protection so oil is not pirated. Use the military to protect oil interests. Etc. . .
    But other then that.

  • mark
    July 3, 2008 3:28 p.m.

    person at 9:11 a.m. July 2, 2008, you said, "Get real, the government has launched many investigations since the 70s against oil companies and not one of them has ever found evidence of collusion."
    What!! You really have to stop listening to the radio kids! I have a relative that owned an oil company, he along with other oil execs got nailed for price fixing in the 70's, he lost his co.
    No evidence of collusion, indeed!
    You think things have changed?

  • mark
    July 3, 2008 3:15 p.m.

    Steve, you are brainless. NASA is a government org. Ugly deserts? Barren deserts that no one uses? you obviously have never been outside.
    You think if we don't have limitless drilling we will have 20 dollar half gallons of ice cream?
    You think if we drill ANWR, that that oil will be sold in the USA, to take care of our domestic oil needs? How? Are we going to nationalize big oil? Force them to sell the oil domestically?

  • Old News
    July 3, 2008 1:14 p.m.

    You could blame Rocky and the Sierra Club for the delay on LH, but if Gov. Leavitt had been honest with the Army Corps of Engineers with the environmental impact statement, we could have avoided the unnecessary litigation. But, again, you all miss the point.

    I'm just curious how oil execs get a free pass in this whole thing. Obviously, people who wish to preserve our beautiful natural lanmarks in Utah and in other areas of the nation will speak to defend those interests. So what? Can you honestly say they have such undue influence that the majority of Congress - both Rs and Ds - kowtow to their power and might? Beyond that of the American public? Come on, give me a break. Is it at least possible to think it is in the oil companies' best interests to maintain the high prices? It's not as if they're saying, "well, I'd like to charge you less if I could only get to ANWR." That just doesn't add up to me.

  • Rich
    July 3, 2008 11:42 a.m.

    If we had a reasonable alternative for gasoline and diesel to power our automobiles, trains, buses, tractor trailers and boats, I would be opposed to extracting oil from oil shale. But we do not. And we do not have a reasonable alternative in the near future. We must act now, or we will suffer the consequences of our inaction in the future.

    Every time I drive I-15 between SLC and Layton with stop-and-go traffic, I thank the Sierra Club and Rocky Anderson for delaying the Legacy Highway. I think about the millions of gallons of fuel being wasted by cars starting and stopping unnecessarily when the Legacy Highway and improving I-15 could have eliminated the traffic delays. And what did
    Anderson et al accomplish besides an unnecessary delay? They succeeded in keeping big trucks off the new highway, which will finally be finished this fall, about five years too late. Big deal. Keeping trucks off the new road is meaningless.

    And that's exactly what the environmental extremists will succeed in doing while fighting oil shale extraction. Delay, delay, delay, adding to our costs.

    I say drill now and get off our dependence on foreign oil.

  • Cmon ... TELL ME WHY
    July 3, 2008 11:01 a.m.

    Okay, JimC. Youv'e seemed to master the art of hitting your ALL CAPS key to make a clever dig, but you've completely ignored the FACTS. Explain to me why the millions of proven oil fields currently leased on not being drilled? Explain to me why it is very rare we hear your side say anything about the fact the moratorium on drilling - even on federal lands - is limited to certain areas.

    The problem with people like you is that you honestly believe an increased supply will meet demand, thereby reducing the cost. While this may be the case in many circumstances of our economy, it simply isn't so with regard to controlled assets, such as oil. Price fixing is a real phenomenon. Blaming the green crowd does not address the real issue, as is evidenced by the fact so much proven land is currently available for drilling.

    Don't be so ignorant.

  • wrz
    July 3, 2008 10:50 a.m.

    Lynn 7:01 p.m. July 2, 2008:

    "I think it's incredibly stupid to go all out for ethanol as an alternate fuel. Every study I've read indicates it takes way too much fuel compared to what is reaped for it to be truly practical in the long run."

    Brazil seems to do quite nicely on ethanol. They are independent of oil usage. However, sugar cane produces 6 times more ethanol than corn. Maybe we should switch to sugar cane. Question: Can it be grown in the US? How about sugar beets? I remember thinning and harvesting them as a kid.

  • Obama Republican
    July 3, 2008 9:54 a.m.

    DRILL DRILL DRILL, Drill here drill now!

    What a Joke, "Drill here Drill now" is nothing more then an attempt to change the subject. We need Alterntives and unlike some on this board not all DEMS are "wacky environmentalist"

    Where is the Electric car the DEMS demanded in California? Shelfed by Arnold and the Rep boys. What happendend to the Hydrogen cars promised in the Clinton Administration? Shelfed by Bush and the boys.

    How much has Haliburtion stock went up since BUSH? From $6.55 to $55.38.

    Follow the money people it will not lie to you. ALl you have to do is ask why some pundent is making an argument. Check out who funds them and presto you can see the spin.

    Big oil is the pupeteer in this nation, they pull the strings!

    Think about this question, why would big oil want more Refineries? Currently refiners are working at 85% capacity, meaning they could produce more gas by ramping up production.

    Less supply equals less demand! More Refineries equals more SUPPLY!

    Do not blame the Dems for the lack of Refineries blame BIG BUSINESS.

  • To oil Mafia
    July 2, 2008 11:40 p.m.

    Obviously, you do not have a 401K or retirement plan. The vast majority of stocks in the oil companies are owned by 401K investors from small company employees, blue color and white colar union groups etc. Exxon Mobil stock is controlled by such investors. Quit targeting the oil companies. Sure some of the fat cat CEO have a pension way too big but that is nothing compared to all the middle class stock holders in these companies and their desire to have a nest egg when they retire. Or do you liberal think that you can put everyone on Social Security forever without any retirement plans? Bush is not the problem. People with little knowledge and inexperience and doing the liberal knee jerk reaction of having the big brother government try to fix it are the problem. When has the government taking over anything been better for Americans? The mafia is big brother elitist liberals and Marxists Democrats.

  • Georg
    July 2, 2008 10:42 p.m.

    If the congressman or senator is against using our natural resources and keeping us supplied with abundant and affordable electricity and fuel for our vehicles - VOTE THEM OUT!!!!!

    If you have not figured it our by now - the so called "greens" are not our friends!

  • Osama bin laden right
    July 2, 2008 10:21 p.m.

    Bin laden predicted 10 years ago that the West would start to bend and be destroyed by high prices of oil. He predicted that at almost $145 dollars a barrel, we would begin our demise. Well, he is right if we do nothing but whine and complain that we can't drill our way out and sit on our hands. We need to get drilling and whatever else we can do to become independent. It only took a couple of years to create the atomic bomb once the Manhattan Project started. That was a tremendous leap in technology. Getting us independent of foreign oil is nothing compared to that. I also take issue with the ridiculous notion that it will take years for oil to be pumped now to make a difference. If the government and radical liberals get out of the way, we can produce and protectthe environment in a very short time. We are Americans with a heritage of can do.

  • anonymous
    July 2, 2008 10:07 p.m.

    regarding cng a very good idea just try to convert and see how far you get. the epa has it sewed up so tight you can not do have to get a certified installer and the kit has to be certified also too expensive.and if you try to do without certification the fine is $30.000 good luck i tried.

  • wrz
    July 2, 2008 9:59 p.m.

    Like starving at a feast 12:06 p.m. July 2, 2008:

    "If Utah is smart they will figure out how to control their own supply of oil, for less."

    Utah will sell it for what the market will pay. Just like any entrepreneur.

    Oil prices are high because the oil industry has figured out that if they manipulate supply they can get more for their product. It's called monopoly. And they have figured out that there's little or nothing anyone can do about it in the short run.

    That and speculators who buy and sell pieces of paper called oil futures contracts (no oil changes hands)... which should be illegal.

  • lowonoil
    July 2, 2008 8:02 p.m.

    Good Call , JimC. Do believe guys like T. Boone Pickens. He says daily production is 85 millon barrels. You neglected to mention though, that he also says 85 million barrels or so is the most it will EVER be. And he would know a lot more about the real potential of shale oil production than you or I. He is one of the best known of those trying to warn the world about Peak Oil.

  • wrz
    July 2, 2008 7:54 p.m.

    Cats | 9:53 a.m. July 2, 2008:

    "(By the way, I have a ranch with a house that is totally off-grid solar...)"

    Congratulations!! Good work. Can you give details? I envision plugging an electric car daily into a solar panel for travel to/from work/grocery, etc.

    I think all new houses built should be required by the building code to have installed solar panels... and perhaps any other energy production devices.

  • Freddie
    July 2, 2008 7:42 p.m.

    Re: lynn | 9:11 a.m. July 2, 2008:

    "Any first year business student understands that if you come up with something, the race is on to get it to the market because great ideas dont sit around, they always leak out."

    Forty plus years ago I saw a silk stocking exhibit at the world's fair where the stocking would not run... even when scratched repeatedly with the point of a ten-penny nail. What happened to that technology? It apparently got swallowed up and shelved by hosiery manufacturers. They prefer to continue to sell dozens of pairs of women's hose per pear.

    Something similar could apply to the auto and energy industry.

  • K
    July 2, 2008 7:11 p.m.

    Well there are vocanic eruptions taking place in the artic. So much for the theory that ice is breaking off and melting due to cars.......

  • Lynn
    July 2, 2008 7:01 p.m.

    And where are the other 60% of the oil companies' profits going? Let's see, 60% of how many billions of dollars every quarter going to ... the big oil companies. And these billions do not include what goes for R and D.
    I think it's incredibly stupid to go all out for ethanol as an alternate fuel. Every study I've read indicates it takes way too much fuel compared to what is reaped for it to be truly practical in the long run. Or even the short run. It furthermore takes an enormous amount of water and other materials such as fertilizers to grow it, and all the while food prices are going up because of all of the millions of acres of food production taken out of use so they can grow fuel corn.
    The corporations who used to grow green beans or soybeans are now growing corn for fuel. So the price of beans and every other farm product goes up because less are being produced.
    I understand the temptation to do it. Short term, it seems great.
    And yes there are other factors hurting our economy.
    But the biggest single factor is big oil company greed.

  • Ridgerunner
    July 2, 2008 6:37 p.m.

    Democrats on increasing energy supply (any form) and thus decreasing price: "NO, NO, and further more, NO!"

    Republican solution: Go get more energy (all forms) and increase the supply and the price goes down!"

    No brainer question to Americans: "Who should YOU vote for this coming election? DUH!

  • JimC
    July 2, 2008 6:37 p.m.

    The mere passing of legislation to overturn the democRATic Party back door act of the December 2007 Omnibus Spending Bill, would IMMEDIATELY drop oil on 'COMMODITY' markets. (NO Alwhore, energy prices are not set by oil execs in a smoke filled room!!)

    The commodities market is driven FIRST by emotion and FUTURE events (why do you think its called the 'futures market'?) Secondly, it IS driven by supply. DON'T believe the liberal democRATS and their media friends that it's driven more by 'speculators'.

    Do believe guys like T. Boone Pickens (he made in the neighborhood of $1 billion in 2007!) when he says daily worldwide production is 85 million bls, BUT daily demand is 86 million. This indicates a supply issue and not speculation.

    Utah has two fine Senators who NEED to expose the real cuplrits of high energy prices of today - the democRATS, specifically the ones currently controlling congress. ONLY they can grant access to federal lands, not Bush or ExxonMobil.

    Shell has the most to gain for their 'in-siti' process. Their process consumes very little water, or how about Global Resource Corp's microwave tech in a vacumm, no water and 'Alwhore' NO CO2!

  • lowonoil
    July 2, 2008 5:37 p.m.

    From a government commissioned RAND Corporation report:
    "Under high growth assumptions, an oil shale production level of 1 million barrels per day is probably more than 20 years in the future, and 3 million barrels per day is probably more than 30 years into the future."

    Twenty to thirty years into the future, the worldwide production of oil from the sources we are using now will have dropped by tens of millions of barrels a day. So by 2038 the contribution of shale will mean our world production shortfall may be only 27 million barrels per day rather than 30. It may make a bad situation slightly less bad, but all you will know in thirty years is that it is bad.

  • Tell me why (part 3)...
    July 2, 2008 5:03 p.m.

    What's going on here is yet another example of political gamesmanship (and I hold both political parties responsible), allowing the oil and gas corporations to increase and assure huge industry profits at the expense of the American people. These companies don't want to drill these areas. They want to hold them as assets to limit the amount of oil and gas on the market so that prices rise still further - and they make more money. They want to hold on to these areas so that they can drill them ten or fifteen years from now in order to maximize profits.

  • you're a sham
    July 2, 2008 5:04 p.m.

    In no way is electricity a sham- and for you to refer to someone as stupid for believing as such is an ignorant truck loving comment; if electricity were a sham then why is it that the most oil efficient car is an electric hybrid (not counting the air car- which requires no oil) at 52 MPG?

    Imagine this: right outside your 17 car garage below where your confederate flag hangs, you could have an electrical outlet with photo voltaic cells that are nearly capable of integrating 30% of the suns energy (Joules baby!)

    Come home at night, plug it (or all 17 of them in) and ride away in the morning.

    Mean while you could also consider putting solar panels on your 50 gajillion sq ft. house to deal with all the nrg you need for that theatre you have in your basement,etc.

    food costs? Find a Community Sustained Agriculture (CSA) project, or better yet, make your own garden for that stay at home wife of yours who gan grow crops 7-8 months out of the year.

    Am i being condescending? Yes, but electricity is in no way stupid. An Oil America, now thats stupid.

    wah, wah, wah...

  • Tell me why (pt. 2)
    July 2, 2008 5:02 p.m.

    This is the story throughout the country; more than 44 million acres of onshore public lands are leased for oil and gas development and yet most of it is not being drilled. All told (onshore and offshore), 68 million acres are leased and sitting idle. Over 10,000 permits are currently 'stockpiled' by industry. But still they want more.

    Between 1999 and 2007, the number of drilling permits issued for development of public lands increased by more than 361%. And did you see your gasoline costs drop? How about your electricity costs? Propane? Natural gas? Based on these figures, there doesn't appear to be a huge correlation between the industrialization of public lands and the price of fossil fuels.

    It has been estimated that if all of those currently inactive leases were drilled, the USA would produce an additional 4.8 million barrels of oil and 44.7 billion cubic feet of natural gas EVERY DAY, accounting for a doubling of US oil production and a 75% increase in US natural gas production. The Minerals Management Service tells us that about 80% of fossil fuels available in offshore are currently available for development.

  • Tell me why...
    July 2, 2008 5:00 p.m.

    My recent readings led me to some interesting facts on domestic oil drilling. First of all, there is no "ban," as some people like to call it. In reality, there is a moratorium on drilling in certain coastal areas. Other areas are not only open to drilling but leases and drilling permits have already been issued.

    These areas are not being drilled.

    In fact, only 17% of the leased area is in production. So, with about 33 million acres of offshore areas already available to drill and not being drilled, why does the oil and gas industry need to have access to still more? The fact is that nearly 25 BILLION barrels of oil off the coast of the United States is currently available for drilling...and industry is not drilling it. Not to mention natural gas. Most of the natural gas occurring offshore (over 328 TRILLION cubic feet an eleven year supply at current consumption rates) is currently available for leasing and development.

    And they're not going after it.

  • PP
    July 2, 2008 4:30 p.m.

    Actualy estimates of the Bakken oil field range from a low of 3 billion barrels to a high of 900 billion barrels. These of course are all estimates but the current production there suggests a number much higher than 3 billion.

    So, for the poster at 3:14 PM your number of 1 billion is quite a bit off. Your post begs two other questions as well 1)If oil companies are willing to risk their money developing the resource why do you care? Do you want the Evil Oil Companies to keep all their ill gotten gains? 2) if there is only enough for 500 days that is 1 1/2 years worth of oil that we can use. It would be completely irresponsible of us to not use it.

  • Anonymous
    July 2, 2008 4:30 p.m.

    Oil shale is a chimera. It has been touted for more than 40 years. Like all government rhetoric about gaining "oil independence" nothing ever comes of it. The government does not have the incentive to do anything. Remember theOil Crisis" of 1972 and all the surrounding promises? Nothing happened. We will all get used to $4.00+ gas and nothing will happen until the next "Crisis."

  • RE: LYNN
    July 2, 2008 3:41 p.m.

    Over 40 percent of the "obscene" profits are owned by 401k investors. That's common folk to you and me. If I buy stock in an oil company, I will get less than 10 precent profit. If I invest in corn, however, as an "alternative fuel source", I would get much more. A bushel of corn has increased in price much faster than oil. Where's your outrage for the obscene profits of the farmers? After all, corn makes flour, tortillas, etc.

    I'm watching my food prices go up because of the obscene profits of the corn farmers. Are you with me, or do you simply have a political agenda?

  • Hey Templar Reborn
    July 2, 2008 3:14 p.m.

    The 500 billion bbls in Bakken Oil Field are an Internet myth, according to the USGS. There's only about 1 billion bbls, or roughly 500 days supply.

  • Angie
    July 2, 2008 2:47 p.m.

    Why would we want to rely on a Country like Irag for our oil. We are paying over $4 a gallon, and they are paying $.48. We need to think of all our citizens, not just the rich. I have seen areas that have been used for years and years for lumber, drilling or whatever, and when they leave you can't even tell they have been there. It looks better than it did before. It is better for the enviroment than doing NOTHING!

  • It's Everything not just gasolin
    July 2, 2008 2:28 p.m.

    We exist in the lifestyle we have now as a result of the use of hydocarbons - oil, nat gas and coal. It is not just an issue of driving our cars or not! growing our food takes tons of fertilizer that is made from oil, transported to the fields by diesel truck, harvested by a metal tractor - whose metal is made with processes that use oil, gas and coal.

    Aluminum is only available because of our ability to consume massive amounts of electricity to refine it.

    What about plastic and ther formation into everything we use to live? Oil, and oil.

    Nearly everything in our economy is dependent on oil or coal or natural gas.

  • Lynn
    July 2, 2008 2:13 p.m.

    Look where your dollars are going.
    Look who is making the money.
    Not just a little - I have no quarrel with people making a reasonable profit. But this is obscene and at the expense of the American economy. It isn't only what I put in my gas tank. It's the price of everything else going up because the oil companies are charging almost $5.00 a gallon for diesel, which for almost 100 years has been practically a throwaway fuel; now they're charging more for it than for the most expensive designer fuels.
    And they are doing it because they can.
    Along with millions of acres of farmland going for corn for fuel, raising food prices even more.
    You think that because the so-called investigations haven't proven price fixing that it doesn't exist?
    Silly boy.
    Look around you. Watch what happens every few days as prices continue to go up and up at the pumps, almost within minutes of each other, within a couple of cents of each other.
    Don't forget what happened in California when Enron, primarily, staged the phoney gas shortage and made millions, or billions of extra dollars.
    The oil companies are not our friends.

  • who let the dinos out?
    July 2, 2008 2:01 p.m.

    Re: Jeff | 7:05 a.m. July 2, 2008

    Oil Shale is more likely to be found near Vernal. Though, it would not surprise me if some other form of hydrocarbon were found near Price.

    Oil was found down near Salina and exploration is taking place on the mountains west of Manti.

  • Reality
    July 2, 2008 1:42 p.m.

    The "left" would love to tell you what kind/size of car to drive and this is there way of "forcing" you to do it. Drive oil prices high enough, with their endless environmental excuses for developing our own resources, so that we are all stuck in an ugly Prius.

    No mention of the fact nobody will be able to afford to drive anywhere to enjoy any of the environment we have preserved anyways!!

    There is never an shade of reasonableness or balance on the left--only "no this won't work" or "this will damage this". People and their way of life always come second in their view.

    All the nay-saying liberals had all the same excuses about developing the oil-sands in Alberta, which is where I am from. Now my family is getting "prosperity" checks (hundreds $$ each)mailed to them from the government because of the ridiculous amounts of oil revenue generated from the oils sands that "could not be developed". They are producing 1.5 million barrels/day with a plan to quadruple production soon.

    Strange since the environmentalists said that "it could not be done". You can can not trust them as far as you can throw their worthless carcasses!!!

  • Electricity is a sham!
    July 2, 2008 1:21 p.m.

    Some comments here state that we should move away from big oil and we could all have electric cars in our driveways if we just tried and that would solve the whole problem (Re:Here we go again 8:48). I can't believe how stupid some people are. Just because you get electricity from a little plug in the wall doesn't mean that it is an acceptable source of energy. Most electricity in Utah is from coal power plants, and most new power plants are using natural gas to generate electricity (which comes from oil companies you dummies!). If you think by driving an electric car you are saving the environment and sticking it to the man you are worse than the people you look down upon!

  • Re: Look to History
    July 2, 2008 1:06 p.m.

    I think one of the biggest problems with these comments is that all of the responders who say drill, drill, drill, don't live in communities the drilling happens in.

    Their perspective might change if someone came in took over their land, put in a road and said we're drilling here to give everyone more oil. It's ridiculous to think about how much money oil companies are making right now and that they can't do a better job for the communities they are in. Until the oil companies are held responsible to be better community partners, I say don't drill. If they can step up and find more ways to make this all work--then drill. It should all be on the government to regulate, but who else will at this point?

  • LIberal Democrat Tree Hugger
    July 2, 2008 1:00 p.m.

    It's all the Republicans aka George Bushes fault! Republicans don't care about the enviroment! They don't care if kids have deformities from pollution! Lets get rid of big oil. Who needs plastics, autos, fertilizers etc. Go natural, hug a tree and smile! :-)

    Paid for by the Osama for President supporters.

  • re: what alternatives
    July 2, 2008 12:56 p.m.

    I'll tell you:
    electric cars powered by solar electricity.

    there you go. love, an environmentalist.

  • Look to History
    July 2, 2008 12:56 p.m.

    As a lifelong Utahn who lives out here in the Uintah Basin where all this tar sand and shale source oil is I simply as the following:

    Senators Hatch and Bennett (and all the other Utah congressmen), please don't allow your support of this effort to run amock and be the next China environmental disaster.

    China went hell-bent for its vast coal reserves and what little oil it possesses and in the hellter-skelter manner in which you and your Republican colleagues appear to be doing, want to throw responsible stewardship of our ecology, and environment to wind, in the hopes that somehow the wind will blow the problems away. PLEASE! Don't fall into the trap of Republican hard-ass for the Corporations only attitude of doing something today that long after you're dead and gone will have to be dealt with by your grand children's generation... all because you decided to cave into Corporate Socialism.

    Let's go after the oil sources, but make Corporations pay their way... all the way, and for God's sake take a more consequential perspective of what todays actions could or can result in... some of it irreversable.

    Time for RESPONSIBLE and THOUGHTFUL decisions and actions.

  • Re: James J. & John
    July 2, 2008 12:46 p.m.

    If you can't ride a bike to work- buy an air car (youtube: air car), there cheap and can run forever, or better yet, a bus pass I ride the bus (or bike) everywhere I go and I live in a very rural area.

    and James, no, we shouldn't get energy from all resources available- solar and wind power have little effect on the environment in comparison to fossil fuels and fit the american ideal of consume consume consume

    Electricity is the answer- and no the electric companies will not be in charge; you will be, buy solar panels, it'll will pay itself off in the long run.

    you can say all you want but Americans are being absolute idiots right now. We have all the resources available to be independent; no one is willing to sacrifice the minutia of their lives, they would rather sit at a computer all day and complain.

    wah wah wah, 5,000 sq. ft houses and SUVs, wah wah wah

  • Reality Check
    July 2, 2008 12:47 p.m.

    Ok! Here we go again.

    Need the domestic produced oil? Absolutely!

    Need to get it from whatever sources possible? Yes... within reasonable limits.

    Utah an opportunity for doing so? You bet!

    Can Utah afford to do it, both economically and ecologically? Maybe.

    And there's the catch!

    Economically speaking, I live right in the middle of the oil patch out here in the Uinta Basin, and frankly, it's hell on housing, businesses and essential services. The oil industry creates a wage/benefits expectation that is not possible for local businesses to keep up with, and housing is at the whims of the roller coaster effects of oil jobs and on the whole the oil industry costs impacts essential and social services to a far higher level than is given back...

    Possible solution: Dispense with county-based system of special district funding that's derived from State oil revenues and implement a 'regional' system so a county like Duchesne county, which provides 1/2 of the jobs (and all that that impacts) receives more than 15% of overall Basin produced oil lease/severence tax revenues... and make oil companies guarantee jobs to locals before bringing in outsiders.

    The ecological considerations... well... water impact is key here.

  • What Alternatives?
    July 2, 2008 12:38 p.m.

    Environmentalists say:

    No oil, no coal because of global warming
    No ethanol because poor people need our corn
    No wind mills because they kill birds
    No hydroelectric because dams hurt fish
    No solar because the panels would affect the land
    they sit on
    No Nuclear because of the waste
    No hydrogen because it is unstable
    No electric cars because coal makes electricity

    Please environmentalist....Tell us what alternatives you will support because you are killing us.

  • TemplarReborn
    July 2, 2008 12:26 p.m.

    L. C. Price., working for the US Geological Survey [USGS] performed extensive chemical analysis of abandoned oil wells (Bakken Oil Fields), primarily in North Dakota and came away with an astonishing conclusionThe Bakken trend contains up to 200 billion to 500 billion, yes that is with a B, of original oil in place. The Bakken Field Light Sweet Crude dwarfs the Saudi oil fields of 55 billion. The USGS, 9 years later, still has refused to release Prices report and their review of Prices work.
    As recently as 2006, geologists J.Flannery and J. Kraus presented a paper using even more sophisticated computer modeling and extensive data input from The North Dakota Geological Survey and Oil and Gas Division. The model and data estimated initial barrels in place at 200 billion and prior to the papers release in 2006 estimates were refined upwards to 300 billion barrels of oil in place in North Dakota and Montana alone

  • Like starving at a feast
    July 2, 2008 12:06 p.m.

    I hear there are more barrels of oil than ever before and yet we pay more at the pump. Maybe the problem isn't that demand exceeds the supply of oil, but rather the problem is those who control it. If Utah is smart they will figure out how to control their own supply of oil, for less.

    What? We already have the answer in oil shale? We must be stupid. What exactly will producing it do to the lonely desert? Of what use is the desert to you now? Conservation is a method to keep what is about to go extinct. Oil shale is not on the verge of extinction. Food on my table, roof over my head, transportation to work that supplies for my needs: these are the things that face extinction, all because we won't go after the resources the good Earth intends for our use.

    Techniques for extracting shale on state lands have proven that it can be done effectively and cheaper. Wake up, feds. In the process Utah could save the countries energy needs.

    If you don't want modernization & civilization, there are plenty of pollutant free, desolate areas of the U.S. Go there!

    July 2, 2008 11:54 a.m. dont know how to say IM SORRY because of our sad!!!
    this is not about liberal, this is about big people making a lot of money, there is resource, technology, money to invest in new ways to make a different product for our cars. THIS IS ABOUT MONEY AND POLITICS, THERE IS NO REASON TO HAVE THIS PRICES!!! OIL MAFIA makig this up because of the money!!!

  • Re:Steve | 8:42 a.m
    July 2, 2008 11:43 a.m.

    "I want a liberal or a Democrat to tell me at what point you will say drill now, drill here.
    Is it 10 dollars per gallon when you can no longer afford to go to the grocery store.."

    I'll give you a response: why does everyone assume that extracting more oil here will make the price go down? Oil companies charge what they charge because they CAN, we are willing to pay their prices, no matter how much they raise them. If they can drill closer to home, and save money doing so, it seems nice to believe they'd pass those savings onto the consumer, but why is this assumed? Why would the oil companies EVER lower prices if we're still willing to pay higher? If we didn't NEED gas, then we wouldnt be as willing to pay their prices, then they'd lose business, then they'd lower prices. The only way to lower prices is to create ALTERNATIVES.. Drilling in ANWR, oil shale, all of that is going to have NO effect on gas prices.

  • Marie Devine
    July 2, 2008 11:17 a.m.

    When we seek God's will, we will turn from going after riches. God comes to destroy the wicked who are destroying the earth. God has solutions to world problems we created by ignoring His wisdom.

    The goal in life is not employment. The goal is retirement in a garden paradise that we can create here and now. If we pray for God's kingdom now, God can raise up someone into the presidency that can help us establish His written word as the law of the land. He said that when He comes God's law will be the only law; we must want it or we will not get it.

    Our manufacturing and transporting goods is polluting our world even if we could get all the oil and energy from the shale. Tell your candidates and leaders to head toward the freedom of producing our needs in our communities.

    The retirement lifestyle in a garden paradise has landscaping and pets useful for producing fresh food for healthy bodies. This solves world problems of pollution, global-warming, disease, wars, energy and food crisis, immigration and inequality. Isaiah 2:4 "They shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks..": GARDEN PARADISE

  • lowonoil
    July 2, 2008 11:06 a.m.

    No, Obama Republican, OPEC will not pump more oil. Not because it doesn't want to, but because it can't. OPEC is drilling and installing infrastructure at a frantic pace just to compensate for the loss of production from it's existing developments due to depletion. It is running as hard as it can to stand still, and soon that won't be enough. It's production will begin to fall.
    This is bad news for everybody, but especially for those who do not believe it will happen and do nothing to prepare for it.
    The definitive book on this subject, "Twilight in the Desert", was written by Matthew Simmons, a good republican former energy advisor to the president who grew up in Kaysville.

  • Ross
    July 2, 2008 11:01 a.m.

    This is not the first time that oil from tar sands has been proposed in Utah. The problem in the past has been that the profitability of such a venture could not be realized with gas under $1.00 a gallon. Now we are around $4.00 a gallon, might just work now. The earth is full there is enough and to spare.

  • Cats
    July 2, 2008 11:01 a.m.

    to Re: American: Read up on YOUR US history! Liberal meant something quite different then than it does now!

  • Anonymous
    July 2, 2008 11:00 a.m.

    It's funny when people go on about how "WE" need to get "OUR" oil out of the ground as if all this oil will be earmarked for US consumption and not sold on the global market to the highest bidder.

    The price of gas won't go down a cent. Conservatives destroyed the dollar, started a stupid war in the middle east, and ruined the american brand and now think they can blame everything on environmentalists.

    Haven't you people done enough to this country.

  • obama Republican
    July 2, 2008 10:30 a.m.

    You know it is sad that time is repeating itself. In the late 70s these same arguments were tossed around. Oil sands, Tar sands, cleand burning coal.

    Americans are so reactionaring in thougt. We only can see the end of our noses. Oil is not the answer to our problems!

    Every President since Nixon has promised to break our oil Addiction. Nothing has been or will be done if Mccain is elected.

    Everyone needs to cut their own consumption, stop buying huge gas guzzlers, and realize we are all in this together.

    Cost are high now, but watch, OPEC will start to pump more and more and bring costs of oil down. Opec is a cartel and wants to sell as much as possible without hurting demand. If real alternatives surface, Oil supplies will jump and prices will go down.

    OPEC will do what ever it takes to kill off alternatives. Mark my words, Once this crisis ends, all the calls for New Forms of Energy will die.

  • Re: American
    July 2, 2008 10:23 a.m.

    Read up on your US history, if the founding fathers weren't extreemly liberal we would still be under british rule.

  • Jud
    July 2, 2008 10:15 a.m.

    This is for Mormons. In Mormon 8, the prophet says "I have seen your day . . . vapors of smoke . . . great pollutions upon the face of the earth." As LDS we should be first in line to vote for a Manhattan Project to produce alternative fuels (the Obama approach). Hydrogen cars are already on the show floors in Japan. Why choke ourselves on death gases when the prophets and the scientists are telling us we're crazy?

  • CNG
    July 2, 2008 10:15 a.m.

    There is one solution which we can all implement immediately. CNG is a viable and extremely cheap (63 cents a gallon in Utah) alternative to fossil fuels for powering vehicles. We are swimming in natural gas in Utah so none of the revenue goes overseas. Also, my CNG powered truck pollutes less than any non-CNG vehicle on the road. So CNG is a very environmentally friendly solution. CNG vehicles are readily available at classifieds or by conversion. There is some inconvenience. There are not as many CNG filling stations as we would like. But if you are seriously green or you want to break the hold of the middle east and the oil companies on your wallet, CNG is a very attractive solution. I feel a great satisfaction every time I fill my tank both from a cost standpoint and knowing that my money will stay in Utah. If you are serious about your beliefs and not just full of hot air then check it out buy a CNG vehicle or convert the one you have. Then volunteer to drive for the carpool.

  • Cats
    July 2, 2008 10:14 a.m.

    TO SAM: RIGHT ON! I can see Sam is someone who understands the issue and has a reasonable approach.

    Let's move forward in a responsible way. We need immediate drilling, oil shale, tar sands, coal gasification and nuclear along with every other alternative source possible.

    Let's get together and do it all!

  • i-survived-roe-v-wade
    July 2, 2008 10:12 a.m.

    Is is that hard? Drill & produce new kinds of energy sources. Why does it have to be one or the other? We should produce in any way, shape or form and continue to look for renewable energy sources.

  • lowonoil
    July 2, 2008 10:09 a.m.

    I do not oppose energy development. But I do think people should be aware that we have vastly inflated expectations of what it will do for us. Our original conventional oil endowment was enormous as well as very cheap to extract, refine and use. Those are the characteristics that allowed us to put large quantities of it to trivial uses and enjoy the lifestyle we have lived for the last half century.
    Whatever energy source we use to take it's place will be produced at low rates at great difficulty and expense. We will have to learn to use it much more frugally than we are accustomed to. Our cheap energy fantasies will remain unfulfilled and we will do what we have to do to cope in the real future that we will be living in instead.

  • John
    July 2, 2008 10:06 a.m.

    Amazing how angry an full of hate everyone is.

    I can't ride a bike to work. Its too far, and who wants to work with someone who rode their bike twenty miles when its 105 degrees outside? Who can ride a bike, when there is a foot of snow on the roads. Shut up already about riding a bike as an alternative.

    Next, shut up already about electricity being the alternative. Only idiots think electricity is a source of power. It has to be generated, and that takes power.

    The mean oil companies are NOT making record profits based on percentage of sales. Walmart outdoes the mean old oil companies by percentages. Oil companies just sell a LOT of oil and gas.

    What is the point in saving portions of a boring desert, that without transportation, no one can visit anyway, and that goes for ANWR.

    Quit falling for the lies that it will take ten years to deliver. We went from airplanes, to the moon, in less time.

    Oh, and please, by all means, let's use electricity because its cheap, until the power companies gain control, and then you will see how -cheap- electric becomes. Learn from the past.

  • Sam
    July 2, 2008 9:58 a.m.

    This is not an either-or question. For the moment, our economy is based on fossil fuels. Every product has an energy component to its production and transportation. A rise in the price of that energy ripples through the economy raising prices and causing economic dislocations. Exploration and development of fossil fuel sources is imperative or we will see the cost of energy further spiral upward with the concomitant damage to our economy. At the same time the amount of fossil fuel is limited and demand is growing. We need to move forward as quickly as possible with alternative fuel sources and conservation techniques. The recent rapid rise in oil prices will help drive that push since alternative energy can now more easily compete with fossil fuel sources. The point is the solution is multi-pronged. Stop fighting and cooperate. Fossil fuels can be recovered with minimal damage to the environment. Alternative fuel sources need to be developed and brought on line. This problem has a solution but partisan bickering will only slow the process.

  • American
    July 2, 2008 9:56 a.m.

    If there had been liberals in New England in the 18th century, we would still be paying tribute to the British crown and we never would have crossed the Mississippi, because we might have damaged the prairie - and, heaven forbid, put asphalt roads all over the place.

  • I agree - Let's drill!
    July 2, 2008 9:56 a.m.

    I agree with most people on here. I believe that we should drill anywhere that we can find oil. Hannity believes that we should even drill in Yellowstone or Zions if there is cheap oil there, and I couldn't agree more! This is hitting me in my wallet and I couldn't care less about "pretty thing" to look at.

    These progressives tell us that we can't drill in certain places because of bears, deer or birds might become extinct. Well I don't care about that! What I do care about is being able to get cheap gas to drive to the store, movies and stock car races on saturdays.

    I think nature is ours to use in the way that we see fit. If that includes drilling through it to get oil, then so be it. I may not have a fancy degree or anything, but it makes perfect sense to me.

  • Anonymous
    July 2, 2008 9:53 a.m.

    Only in Utah would any politician feel comfortable standing arm-in-arm with big oil executives!

  • Cats
    July 2, 2008 9:53 a.m.

    I can see a few people around here could use a class in economics.

    In any case, we need to develop any energy resources we have available to us. We need to do this in the most environmentally responsible way possible. These resources include, conservation, solar, wind, geothermal, oil shale, coal gasification, tar sands, oil drilling, nuclear and any other possibilities that exist. (By the way, I have a ranch with a house that is totally off-grid solar. I'm all for solar, but I'm not an idiot. I understand the realities of the world situation.)

    As much as we can use renewable resources in an economically feasible way--that's FABULOUS! However, we need a bridge to until we can get there. That means we need immediate drilling and other forms of oil that can be exploited.

    Our security depends on it. And for those of you who don't like war, (myself included) the fastest way to get to military action is if the western world can't get access to adequate energy. I don't want to see that happen. Let's be smart. Let's get off foreign fuels and live a peaceful, prosperous existance.


  • James J.
    July 2, 2008 9:48 a.m.

    Re: Re: Fragile Are Work?

    Why are you being so rude to people? Belittling them at every turn is not a solution to our countries energy problems. I like your comment about riding a bike. Does anyone know why people in Europe ride bikes and walk so much of the time, and we dont? Its because their cities are more condensed, not so spread out. Its not efficient for us to rid bikes or walk. Lets all stop the, I know everything attitude, and the, I know what is better for you then you do and lets start working for solutions!!! I want renewable energy, I also want every other type of energy. Someone please explain to me why this is bad, tapping all energy sources? Not just a select few.

  • Fedup
    July 2, 2008 9:40 a.m.

    Guess what? The government makes WAY WAY more money from gas taxes than big oil makes. You think big oil is rolling in the money, they must pay for getting that gas to your gas station...the government just gets all it's money without doing a thing. Even if the government lifts the moratorium on getting oil from shale, they don't have to spend a penny to extract or refine it! It's not the Bush administration, it's the Liberals and the Environmentalists that are causing our gas prices to rise. Get real, people, the USA needs to access our OWN resources, and the government should stop putting up roadblocks. NOW!

  • Spencer K.
    July 2, 2008 9:27 a.m.

    Do it now!

  • Anonymous
    July 2, 2008 9:26 a.m.

    The country needs to look at other energy alternatives besides fossil fuels. Plus, Utah does not have enough water in state to support the transformation.

  • Re: ike
    July 2, 2008 9:24 a.m.

    Its the greedy, fat, celebrity worshipping, bible thumping Americans who are at fault. Thanks for that insight ike, your contribution to the discussion was substantial, like breaking wind in the middle of a tornado. Please refrain from throwing around the usual conservative stereotypes the next time you throw your hat in the ring.

  • Re: lynn
    July 2, 2008 9:11 a.m.

    Get real, the government has launched many investigations since the 70s against oil companies and not one of them has ever found evidence of collusion. The profit margin (around 9%) for domestic oil companies is in line with historical averages, its not their fault the world market drove oil to an obscene amount. As for the monopoly argument, look up the percentage of the world oil market that U.S. companies control and then get back to me. The amount is minimal. The controlling factor belongs to OPEC and Russia. The idea that oil companies bought out viable alternative technologies and are just sitting on them is laughable. Anything one company created can be reversed engineered by another company, it happens all the time in the technology industry (processors, video chips, etc.), the pharmaceutical industry (Viagra and other like drugs) and every other industry. Any first year business student understands that if you come up with something, the race is on to get it to the market because great ideas dont sit around, they always leak out. Please keep the conspiracy theories confined to Hollywood.

  • At least be consistent
    July 2, 2008 9:06 a.m.

    Utah's GOP senators are pushing increased production of oil shale on the same day Utah's governor is pushing a hare-brained cap on carbon emissions.

    One would have to conclude they didn't even bother to discuss the issue with Governor Silver Spoon beforehand. Otherwise, this appears to be another depressing example of the Republicans talking out of both sides of their mouths.

    And then they have the gall to wonder why most of their base doesn't show up on election day.

  • Re: Fragile Art Work?
    July 2, 2008 9:05 a.m.

    "Many of us are on the brink of losing our homes because we can not afford any thing anymore. Every little thing starts adding up. Lets see Questar is going to increase rates about 22% this winter, property taxes are up, food costs more.... in short WE ARE SUFFERING!"

    Ride a Bike

    Buy a Wood Pellet burning stove ($200 for an entire winter in Northern New York) or better yet wear a jacket, I know it doesn't get that cold in Utah.

    Eat less food- i'm not saying starve, but we are a glutnous country.

    You are not suffering, you are merely being irresponsible or dumb. Quit crying, you are a typical republican: You want the government to be as little involved with your life until old man oil starts beating you up.

    But after all- its the environmentalists fault right? We've been warned for a long time and if you are suffering now it is because you've had your eyes closed. Currently I make money in energy by giving renewable nrg back to the Power company- I listened.

    wah wah wah, uncle sam mean old liberals are trying to save the planet while I waste it, wah wah wah

  • hold on...
    July 2, 2008 9:04 a.m.

    Didn't anyone notice when the oil company guy said they might be ready to actually do this in 5 to 10 years? Prices will still rise in the meantime, and I would guess even after these sources are tapped. It's pretty clear that when we are dealing with a finite resource, the only real solution is an alternative source.

  • Greg
    July 2, 2008 8:59 a.m.

    HUH? Lynn do you actually have any idea what you are talking about? Have you been watching too much NBC News? Oil companies are not making big profits on gas, they are making a majority of their profits from the exploration and production of their Oil/Natural Gas wells. The price is set by speculators. When was the last time you took a nice beautiful drive out in the vernal area? hmmm ya there is nothing at all to look at out there so why not develop it. Lynn lets say you own 5 oil wells would you be a nice person and sell your oil for $50 a barrel to help out some guy around the corner or would you sell it at the market price of $142 a barrel to help out your wallet, come on be honest.

  • Steve Continued
    July 2, 2008 8:54 a.m.

    When the Government finally decided it was time to go to the Moon, they scraped their program and hired NASA a civilian organization. Orrin Hatch and Bob Bennett are saying to the government, get out of the way. Here are some private companies willing to develop this and make it work, and put up there own money at their own risk.

    Democrats and Liberals say no, we trust our government to do it. Who in the government, or which branch of the government is going to develop new alternatives. WE DON"T HAVE A RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT IN THE GOVERNMENT. We have the EPA, Department of Natural Resources, the Energy Department, ETC. but they don't do anything but regulate.

    and while you sit and wait for THEM to do it, which will take THEM several years, what do we do in the mean time.

    P.S. I haven't heard anything from Obama or McCain on any new alternatives because they don't have one.

  • ike
    July 2, 2008 8:55 a.m.

    I love the "liberal" word thrown around like it was a curse word. I wouldn't be too proud calling yourself conservative...after all you are the bunch of noodle heads that elected this no-brain or heart having administration. Alternate energy is the only way out of this spiraling inversion. Our environment should be a top concern but it isn't, education should be right up htere with health-care but it isn't, we seem to only care about oil and celebrities...Americans are lazy, that is it in a nut-shell. We refuse to walk, bicycle or take any pro-active stand. We want to whine and complain because that is America. We care more about fashion than life. Get real, liberal or conservative we are all people and we all have to breath, drink and eat the very things we are polluting at an astronomical rate. Pull your head out of the sand/shale; oil companies will not give up on screwing every American they can, once our country falls, and it will fall, the rest of us will flail in our death throws while big oil feasts on our flesh.

  • Bill Johnson
    July 2, 2008 8:50 a.m.

    "Big Oil" is intoxicated with raping the consumer. Developing new product gives them greater staying power.

    When will Congress say "enough?" Regulatory measures could foster greater competition among the companies.

    It puzzles me that gas prices rise within pennies of each other among the various suppliers. Why can't one brand break ranks and govern itself independently of other companies?

  • RE;Here we go again
    July 2, 2008 8:48 a.m.

    Are you saying man is not capable of polluting the earth just because it's here for man to use?. You should see my neighbors back yard. It's his to use and it's a pig stye. Man can do the same thing with the earh. We are on the very brink of technology to make oil almost obsolete. Why are we resisting to push forward with it. Electric cars could be in every drive way if we really wanted.

  • Drill You
    July 2, 2008 8:47 a.m.

    You want to conserve and get away from fossil fuels, fine, buy a horse and a cart and leave the rest of us alone. You're living in a dream world if you think there is something in the foreseeable future that is better than oil. If it existed, greedy corporations would already be selling it. Why is this issue all or nothing? Why cant we drill and develop domestically as well as invest in alternatives? To Bombadil: I dont find it ironic our Senators did this show. I, as well as thousands of other Utahans, have been hounding them relentlessly about this issue. Unlike some Republicans, these two are listening to their constituents and trying something. A check from big oil is no different than Pelosi getting checks from the various environmental lobbyists out there. If it's legal, I could care less, they're just playing the game we've allowed to develop.

  • Steve
    July 2, 2008 8:42 a.m.

    I have asked this question before with no response. I want a liberal or a Democrat to tell me at what point you will say drill now, drill here.

    Is it 10 dollars per gallon when you can no longer afford to go to the grocery store and when you pay 5 bucks for 6 m&m's in a bag or $20 bucks for a half gallon of ice cream. And those ugly deserts are no longer looked at because no one can aford to visit the barron desert that no one uses anyways.

    What is your breaking point? I read an article that estimates that 67% believe we should start drilling in ANWR and off the coast NOW.

    If you say that we should not drill at any cost and that THEY should find alternatives. Let me ask you who THEY are. It is not the government. The private sector always comes up with the ideas and then the government jumps on it. Democrats and liberals always think the government has all the answers. I like Obamas last idea. Lets change the presidential seal. WOW. What an idea.

  • lynn
    July 2, 2008 8:34 a.m.

    when is Congress going to get serious about the monopoly and price fixing (both highly illegal) that are going on in the oil industry?
    And make no mistake, you can thank American oil companies for the price at the pump. These greedy
    monopolies are filling their pockets with your hard-earned dollars.
    Ever since the invention of the internal combustion engine, there have been inventions of less oil- dependent fuels and higher efficiency models of cars, which have been bought out by these same American oil companies and car manufacturers, for the express purpose of blocking their development and use in the general market.
    Now big oil wants to grind beautiful Utah into dust.
    Do you think you're going to pay less for fuel because it comes from Utah? Think again.
    There are so many ways to get around the use of oil!
    There are new alternatives every day!
    It isn't the so-called liberals who are causing the problem. You can look to American oil companies and their astronomical obscene profit taking if you want the cause of prices of everything going up.
    They should be taking some if not most of that profit to develop alternatives to oil.

  • Here we go again..
    July 2, 2008 8:24 a.m.

    with the guilt ridden left. But only when it comes to environmental issues.
    'I feel so bad that we are using the earths resources. We should just leave them where their at, in the ground'. New flash, The earth is here for man to use. The earth should not be worshiped like its God.

  • Right-Side
    July 2, 2008 8:23 a.m.

    Since you are so against the democrat agenda, let me ask this of those of you opposed to Government interaction. What about all of the landowners in Eastern Utah who will not have a say if someone drills on their property. This isn't just a public land issue, there are large amounts of shale on private land that the land owners won't have a say in how it's used because of split-estate leases. Really, get your info. correct before you just blame the left--it's not about that--it's about oil companies wanting the power without regulation.

  • Bombadil
    July 2, 2008 8:14 a.m.

    Folks are missing the point. Nobody finds it ironic that our intrepid senators put on a dog and pony show touting a currently useless concept in order to calm the sheep? We continue to spend hundreds of millions of dollars a month in a country where gas is 1.25$/gal for the locals. Look at the current housing/energy/credit as well as our standing in the world and see what their stewardship has brought us. I'm sure our senators have already received a nice campaign check from said oil companies they held hands with.

  • Fragile Rock Art?
    July 2, 2008 7:44 a.m.

    Wow we see the liberal agenda in action here. There is no real concern for the hurt felt in our wallets over the outrageous oil prices, but concern over FRAGILE ROCK ART? I'm a poor person and I can not afford to continue to pay these oil prices. I try to keep my tires inflated properly, drive slow, and drive less. I am doing what I can, but I can't afford to be a heartless liberal that is concerned more over fragile rock art rather than the suffering consumers. Many of us are on the brink of losing our homes because we can not afford any thing anymore. Every little thing starts adding up. Lets see Questar is going to increase rates about 22% this winter, property taxes are up, food costs more, electrcity prices will go up very soon etc. So my income isn't going up as fast as all these increasing costs. in short WE ARE SUFFERING! maybe if we were all rich or without children we could afford to be a heartless liberal like those concerned with Fragile Art work.

  • The song remains the same ...
    July 2, 2008 7:41 a.m.

    How many more years will be wasted on trying to squeeze oil from rock. Money would be better spent on finding a solutions that doesn't require oil for combustion. It is way past time to eliminate the stranglehold the oil producing countries and the U.S. Oil companies have on us.

  • re: Cats
    July 2, 2008 7:29 a.m.

    Yea, great idea! Let's just continue to tap whatever oil resources are available at all costs, acting like $2/gallon gas is our God given right. Heaven forbid we should actually focus on conservation and alternative energies. There is an UNLIMITED supply of energy in the World, let's stop taking the easy way out and find better ways to capture it. The longer we go after every last drop of oil, the less incentive we will have to develop the technologies and infrastructure for other, cleaner, and in the long run, cheaper forms of energy. Some Utahns need to learn what it means to be a "wise steward."

  • Timj
    July 2, 2008 7:28 a.m.

    From the State of the Union address in January 2006, from President Bush:
    "We have a serious problem: America is addicted to oil."
    And now, more recently, he says:
    "Our nation must produce more oil."
    So to get rid of an addiction, you feed it.
    Makes perfect sense to me!

  • Do it for our Children
    July 2, 2008 7:24 a.m.

    To coin a phrase from environmentalists, "Do it for our Children". This fear mongering mentality of, "it will destroy the environment or burning fuel is evil" is just propaganda. Drilling for oil or developing oil shale or tar sands is not evil. It should have been done years ago. I for one do not want to return to the days of horse drawn wagons and no air conditioning. We have the technology to do this in an environmentally safe and responsible way. Government, do something and do it now so our children can benefit.

  • RedShirt
    July 2, 2008 7:14 a.m.

    To "Quick Sand | 1:47 a.m." what this would bring us is time to develop alternatives. I just read an article that Sandia Labs put out that they are ready to test a process that would use the excess heat from a power plant and the CO2 to make gasoline.

    There are alternatives, we just have to decide on which one.

  • Danny Mullen
    July 2, 2008 7:09 a.m.

    We still have some of the best scientific minds in the world (thus technologies) and I have faith that we can overcome the obstacles of exploitation of our resources and disposal of any hazardous waste byproducts. We have to take the lead and develop, BUT we must ensure there is true, non-partisan oversight and enforcement. True, many of the benefits may be years away, but we must set the stage for our children's future and country's future independence.

  • Jeff
    July 2, 2008 7:05 a.m.

    Um, duh, the Nine Mile Canyon region doesn't have oil shale. Utah's shale deposits are out near Vernal not down by Price. The reporter should pretend to know what he's writing about.

  • Then What?
    July 2, 2008 7:02 a.m.

    Then we drill off of the coasts and up in Alaska.

    I can't believe the short sidedness of the left.

  • Cats
    July 2, 2008 5:45 a.m.

    We need to do everything in our power to get at the oil in oil shale, tar sands, coal gasification, off shore, ANWR and anywhere else we can get energy. (Also nuclear.) Our lives and security depend on it. What are we--SUICIDAL?

    The Democrats, who are controlled by the environmentalists, are so blinded by their bias that they can't even use common sense.

    We need oil shale and tar sands production NOW!

  • Quick Sand
    July 2, 2008 1:47 a.m.

    Uh, bad idea. We're gonna trash our beautiful state just to have thirty years of dirty burning fuels. Then what?