State's spending too high

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  • RLPG
    July 1, 2008 9:08 p.m.

    Ranger Gordon says that the Republicans spend what they don't have and the Dems are great budgeters?
    I don't think either party is as good as my dog at balancing a budget.
    One glareing example is: Social Security. Never was this properly funded and now its doomed.

  • Mark B
    July 1, 2008 8:50 p.m.

    I hope Charles isn't trying to sell the old idea that federal income tax is unconstitutional. He wouldn't try anything that crazy, so I guess he just feels that Utah's fair share of all federal spending is ....zero. And to some people that's STILL too much, but not to Charles, who's a fair-minded guy.

  • Stewart
    July 1, 2008 6:05 p.m.

    Anyone that uses the Sutherland Institute as a reference should remember that they also support as much cheap labor illegal immigrants as possible. This, in my opinion, reduces their credibility.

  • Charles
    July 1, 2008 3:18 p.m.

    Opinionated...well said. too bad it falls on deaf ears.

    To Oh Please...actually, we shouldn't be getting any money back from the Feds because we shouldn't be giving them any in the first place. It's unconstitutional what the federal government is doing. But I think you fit more into the mold that Mike R is talking about.

  • Mike Richards
    July 1, 2008 1:52 p.m.

    Spoiled children demand that mommy and daddy buy them a new bicycle. Responsible children find a way to earn money so that they can buy their own bicycle.

    Society is no different. The spoiled brats among us will always demand as much as we're willing to give, while the self-sufficient will handle their own needs, even if it means missing a few meals.

    I find it hard to believe that Utah needs to spend 11.5 billion dollars per year. There is room for compassion, and, as a society we have a responsibility to help the destitute, but there should be no need to give in to screaming spoiled brats who could take care of their own needs.

  • Opinionated
    July 1, 2008 12:57 p.m.

    This is more societies fault than the State's fault. Society continues to demand more services, demand more freebies, etc. If we would learn to depend more on ourselves and less on the government, spending could drop substantially.

  • Oh Please
    July 1, 2008 12:51 p.m.

    Hey Darlene, what would you like to give up? Maybe if the feds didn't have to pay $650 billion for a phony war some of our state expenditures might be unnecessary. After all, Utah is a net gainer from the federal outlay.

  • DBG
    July 1, 2008 11:08 a.m.

    Here's a thought. How much money SHOULD Utah be getting from the feds because most of the land is owned by the feds? The Feds aren't paying their share and therefore, spending going up?

    That's a plausable perspective, but I don't know.

  • Charles
    July 1, 2008 10:39 a.m.

    RangerGordon you might be right with your thoughts on the pay as you go (that's a debate for a different day), but the other end of that statement is that taxes will be over 50% if Obama gets his way. I think that is just a little bit too much for all the "plans" Obama has for all us.

    Why isn't it a valid objective to reduce the size/spending of government? Caroon seems to be doing just that with his hiring freeze for the county. Only in legislatures and Congress do they call an "increase" a "decrease" because it isn't as much as they wanted....

    I don't care which side of the aisle one is on, reducing spending and the size of government should be paramount. States and we citizens should be demanding the government get out of the business of business.

  • Derek Monson
    July 1, 2008 10:04 a.m.

    Roland--Even if you account for population growth in addition to inflation, the increase in spending since 2004 is over 12%. No matter how you look at it, state government has grown and is spending money at alarming rates.

  • Matthew Piccolo
    July 1, 2008 9:59 a.m.

    Sutherland's calculations take inflation into account. The spending rate increased much more than inflation. Certainly, as population increases government spending may need to increase a little bit but by 29%? I doubt it. Utah's government is run very well, but we can do even better.

  • jr
    July 1, 2008 6:56 a.m.

    You have to remember the GOP is running the country and Utah - you get what you vote for

  • Timj
    July 1, 2008 6:41 a.m.

    Thanks, Roland, for the voice of reason.

  • RangerGordon
    July 1, 2008 2:04 a.m.

    Perhaps the borrow-and-spend policies of the GOP are finally coming home to roost.

    Democratic you-only-get-what-you-pay-for policies are looking more and more attractive right now ...

  • Roland Kayser
    July 1, 2008 12:57 a.m.

    You have to keep other things in mind when calculating the rate of spending increases of the state government. If the population increases 2% and the inflation rate is 3% in a particular year, you have to spend about 5% more just to do the same thing.