Ranger Gordon says that the Republicans spend what they don't have and the Dems
are great budgeters?I don't think either party is as good as my dog at
balancing a budget.One glareing example is: Social Security. Never was
this properly funded and now its doomed.
I hope Charles isn't trying to sell the old idea that federal income tax is
unconstitutional. He wouldn't try anything that crazy, so I guess he just feels
that Utah's fair share of all federal spending is ....zero. And to some people
that's STILL too much, but not to Charles, who's a fair-minded guy.
Anyone that uses the Sutherland Institute as a reference should remember that
they also support as much cheap labor illegal immigrants as possible. This, in
my opinion, reduces their credibility.
Opinionated...well said. too bad it falls on deaf ears.To Oh
Please...actually, we shouldn't be getting any money back from the Feds because
we shouldn't be giving them any in the first place. It's unconstitutional what
the federal government is doing. But I think you fit more into the mold that
Mike R is talking about.
Spoiled children demand that mommy and daddy buy them a new bicycle.
Responsible children find a way to earn money so that they can buy their own
bicycle.Society is no different. The spoiled brats among us will
always demand as much as we're willing to give, while the self-sufficient will
handle their own needs, even if it means missing a few meals.I find
it hard to believe that Utah needs to spend 11.5 billion dollars per year.
There is room for compassion, and, as a society we have a responsibility to help
the destitute, but there should be no need to give in to screaming spoiled brats
who could take care of their own needs.
This is more societies fault than the State's fault. Society continues to
demand more services, demand more freebies, etc. If we would learn to depend
more on ourselves and less on the government, spending could drop substantially.
Hey Darlene, what would you like to give up? Maybe if the feds didn't have to
pay $650 billion for a phony war some of our state expenditures might be
unnecessary. After all, Utah is a net gainer from the federal outlay.
Here's a thought. How much money SHOULD Utah be getting from the feds because
most of the land is owned by the feds? The Feds aren't paying their share and
therefore, spending going up? That's a plausable perspective, but I
RangerGordon you might be right with your thoughts on the pay as you go (that's
a debate for a different day), but the other end of that statement is that taxes
will be over 50% if Obama gets his way. I think that is just a little bit too
much for all the "plans" Obama has for all us.Why isn't it a valid
objective to reduce the size/spending of government? Caroon seems to be doing
just that with his hiring freeze for the county. Only in legislatures and
Congress do they call an "increase" a "decrease" because it isn't as much as
they wanted....I don't care which side of the aisle one is on,
reducing spending and the size of government should be paramount. States and we
citizens should be demanding the government get out of the business of
Roland--Even if you account for population growth in addition to inflation, the
increase in spending since 2004 is over 12%. No matter how you look at it, state
government has grown and is spending money at alarming rates.
Sutherland's calculations take inflation into account. The spending rate
increased much more than inflation. Certainly, as population increases
government spending may need to increase a little bit but by 29%? I doubt it.
Utah's government is run very well, but we can do even better.
You have to remember the GOP is running the country and Utah - you get what you
Thanks, Roland, for the voice of reason.
Perhaps the borrow-and-spend policies of the GOP are finally coming home to
roost. Democratic you-only-get-what-you-pay-for policies are looking
more and more attractive right now ...
You have to keep other things in mind when calculating the rate of spending
increases of the state government. If the population increases 2% and the
inflation rate is 3% in a particular year, you have to spend about 5% more just
to do the same thing.