you cant blame a kid for wanting to go to a better school then BYU or UTAH. Lets
say you are given the chance to play in the NBA on any team you want. Are you
going to pick the Clippers and Memphis or Boston?
The Utah kids are often great. they have convictions, drive and dedication. They
also often want to go on Mormon missions for two years. Schools recruiting these
guys will have to be willing to hold scholarships for two years while they do
this. The three state of Arizona schools are willing to do this (ASU, UA, NAU).
Schools that have this commitment know that even if the guys come back out of
shape from their missions they come back two years older and wiser. That's why
BYU has given fits to other opponents for years with what was perceived as
having less talent. They often have the oldest teams in the NCAA. Maturity
counts for something.
To Big Deal: As a former high school coach, I have often wondered what the
value of P.E. and athletics really is. Many years ago (I'm now 71) I decided
that the reason the USA won World War II was because of high school
athletics...case in point: Athletic teams teach leadership and comraderie so
that when the captain gets killed, the lieutenant takes over; when the
lieutenant gets killed, the sergeant takes over; when the sergeant gets
killed...you understand.... Much of this leadership was learned on the athletic
fields. Yes, the scholarships provided an education, but the leadership and
teamwork are impossible to put a price tag on.
I don't know if the person who posted "Big Deal" is a sports person or a
wannabe. I am confused as to why he would be reading these blogs anyways.
Anyone who says sports isn't important is wrong. it is important in soo many
ways. It briengs communities together, gives people something to talk about,
brings friendly compitition between friends and family, but sometimes the
compitition becomes bad. It teaches you teammork and work ethics and how to
play. Why do you think that sports is one the the biggest entertainment in the
world and always has been. Being an engineer and inventor is important but
maybe one percent of college althetes go pro but the rest,they got scholorships
to go to school, so if they want to become something else, they didn't need to
pay for school, isn't that important? BTW, I am glad about all the attention
that Highland is getting from this article and from the blogs. Being a formor
Ram, let me say GO RAMS. and having played with Hgata I would like to wish him
good luck in the NFL.
Wow that's wonderful! Too bad they aren't engineers or inventors. Football is
one of the most wasteful sports. We need smart people to solve our energy
crisis, not 35 year olds with blown out knees.
Wow Arizona Dave, you have a lot to say, especially since there has never been a
college football championship in the state of Arizona. Washington has been in a
championship game 3 times. Even BYU has won it more than the overrated BCS
conference teams in Arizona.
It's great to see that Utah High School players are getting the attention
they deserve because the quality of player here are better now. I am glad BYU,
and Utah are getting thier share of them. I think Byu is getting the better
share of them at this point. BYU sleeper offensively this year in my humble
opinion will be JJ Diligui, especially since Tonga is gone now. I think this is
a blessing in diguise because he is a electrifying player. I have seen tape of
his high school days at Canyon High in the foothill league in california. He ran
all over people. He reminds me of Barry Sanders. He is not big but strong with
good speed, and very elusive. Bronco if you don't play this kid this year it
will be really to bad because he is that good. I am almost sure Bronco knows
what he has got in this kid.
are you serious? I coached in the Mountain West Conferance!! Of course I look at
players there. I love how you guys think playing in a good bowl game matters. We
look for the player who is the best for the N F L! Some good college players
won't be good in the NFL.
Coach of the Seattle Seahawks on what they look for when drafting: "A four year
player from a MAJOR university." MWC does not provide the level of competition
needed. Look at the 2008 draft. The MWC had 7 total players drafted, and none
till the 3rd round. SEC had 34 drafted, 14 of which were in rounds 1-3. Even the
worst BCS Conference, the big east had 19 total players drafted, and 7 in rounds
1-3. The MWC is not the route to take to the NFL, especially if you want a
chance to be drafted in the first few rounds.
Your condescending, arrogant critique would be more convincing if you weren't so
illiterate. Learn how to write in coherent sentences, stop mixing your
metaphores, and use correct spelling, grammar and punctuation.Until
then, find a nice little "Big Dawg" blog where you will feel more comfortable
discussing football with other rednecks who appreciate what "real" football is
Your right that there are very few BCS calibre players here in Utah compared to
states like Florida, California and Texas. But that doesn't mean the occassional
Utah stud can't compete with the very best in the country. Ngata, Havili and
others could start for any team and have become or will become solid pros. They
are far and few between but it does seem like those types of kids are becoming
more prevelent in our little state. We have a few each year now where we used to
get one every 4 or 5. Heck, it seems like one comes out of Timpview every season
love the local hype, yes schools are looking at a very very very few here in the
"great" football state of utah....pssssssssss...please, calm down sports
fan...this local "hype" is still very PETTY on the big screen. One thing comes
to mind as I read these little Utah media about there "studs" little chiwawa's
trying to be like DA BIG DAWGS.....STOP, your not. Sorry to burst yall's
bubble...just telling it like it is.PERIOD
Wow, wow wow, youre one of the reasons why people laugh at BYU.
Why is Utah not recruiting Hemuli? He would be minutes from campus coming from
Highland and you would think Utah would be smart to give him a look considering
the success of Ngata and Victor Felipe, not to mention Stewart Bradley (all 3
Highland guys) as Bradley walked on at Nebraska and was a starter for two years
and is now with the Eagles.
This article alluded to an important fact - coaches from this area going to big
name schools come back here to recruit. Look at the schools who tend to come
after the top Utah hs athletes - USC (formerly Chow and still Sarkesian), UCLA
(Chow), LSU (Crowton), Oregon (formerly Crowton), Colorado (Hawkins). I'm
surprised there are not more Florida offers to the best. I think the
relationships these schools have developed with local hs coaches make a huge
difference in who regularly comes here and grabs our best. I don't hear about
many Miami, Alabama or Georgia offers to Utah kids. The very top one or two who
are also considered 4 star recruits may get those but most come from the BCS
schools with local ties.And local college kids who are GREAT will be
on scouts radars. But the middle of the road kids like Kelly Poppinga will have
to get to the NFL through the backdoor because they are not on the radars like
they would be as a starter at a BCS school. Being invited to combines and
all-star games makes a huge difference between being drafter versus going free
So lets give a big cheer for these kids who can have their lives ruined by the
all mighty buck, the influence of drugs and alcohol and everything else outside
of Utah that make Utah's temptations for kids look like a ice-cream stand in
comparison to places like LSU, Chicago, USC, UCLA, and other big city schools.
Ask Hal Garner, there are more important things to life than MONEY! How about playing for the team of your childhood dreams, then a beautiful
wife, and family, and keeping FIRST THINGS FIRST! Sadly you hear the words but
the lessons just don't sink in do they?
There are a few PAC-10, SEC, and Big East fans who regularly hang out on this
sports blog devoted primarily to MWC and WAC teams who are like tiny gnats,
pesky nuisances who never have anything useful to contribute. You know who you
I'm just happy to see so many guys recruited from Highland.
You guys who think you know everything really irritate those of us who really
I just think it is rude. When our boys stay in Utah they are close to their
moms and the church. This is the most important thing for these boys. They
need to avoid the evil of the PAC-10,SEC, and others and stay in Utah.
I believe it is a simple truth that the conference you play will make a
difference in your draft status and opportunities. Just because some quality
athlets from UTah and BYU also make does not chance that fact.THe
highly regarded lineman recruit in Utah, Martinez, this year admits that he
would go to BYU if he didnt want to go to a top 5 program to showcase his
ability. He thinks it makes a difference.
Utes & Cougars in the Pac-10. Until that happens, guys like AZ Dave and So.Cal
fan will continue to pop off.
RE: So Cal Fan,Your ignorace is shining through. Do you really
think that the scouts put so much weight into when a prospect played his bowl
game? It does have some weight, but for the most part the scouts are focused
on whether or not the kid can play ON SUNDAYS! Not before or after New
Year's/Christmas/Hannukah. You clearly have no idea of what you're talking
about when it comes to NFL scouting. So stick to what you know... being blinded
by the TOP PROGRAMS shining lights.
Big woop, more blue chipper than Washington. What's next, South Dakota
Utah and BYU both recruit from the same (or similar) high schools that they did
in the 70's and early 80's. Except for Utah's run in 2004 and fortuitous pairing
vs. Pitt, neither program wins bigger games or bowls than they did back then.
BYU has one of the worst records in post-season play and this year one two bowl
games in a row for the first time since 1983. Not a lot of progress...
The 2010 class will be good as well
Hey Rock On,If these student athletes want to play against the
highest level. Then they should leave and play in the PAC 10, sec or even the
TOP PROGRAMS in the WAC. Because if they play in the Mt. Worst and they don't
have urban coaching they get to play in a bowl game before christmas when
everybody else is talking about NEW YEARS DAY BOWL Games or after. EVEN PLAYING
at Grambling would at least get them in the Superdome for the Bayou Classic
which gets more attention than the vegas bowl. Even the AGGIES have won that
I have little doubt Havili's chances of making the NFL would be just as good
going to Utah or BYU vs. USC. Both schools are already on the radar of every NFL
team. There is no way Alex Smith would have been #1 if that was not true. And,
there would have been no chance for Alex Smith to be recognized if not for Steve
Young, Detmer, Scott Mitchell, McMahon, Nielson, Wilson and even Walsh. Add in
the many other good to great players that have come out of the Utah schools
(Merlin Olsen, Poppinga, Herrman, etc.) and it's clear the Mountain West is
considered a legitimate recruiting ground that agents and scouts seriously
examine constantly.You cannot compare Grambling to BYU or Utah,
although Grambling, because of Eddie Robinson, is well within their scope.Slurs against the MWC for someone of the ilk as "Conference" might be
fun, but it's just foolishly wrong. Ask Chad Lewis, Scalley, Beck, as well as M.
Anderson, Chris Maufalu, and Urlacher. The NFL knows and respects the MWC. That
is obvious. We won't have as MANY talented players, but there are enough here
that have great talent.
I agree with the previous poster who said NFL scouts will find you anywhere. It
is just that the bigger school you attend the more you will be on scout's radars
and the more opportunities you will have to showcase yourself. It may mean the
difference of being invited to the NFL combine and pre-combine all-star games
(and all the hype that brings) versus having to rely only on a great on-campus
visit and work out in order to catch their eye. The bigger the school the more
opportunities you have to show you are NFL worthy. And I also think that if you
are good enough to play on a big name team you will likely have a better chance
of reaching your potential by playing against the best. Yeah, you can go to
Grambling and still make the NFL. But your chances are diminished. Stanley
Havili will probably be the first or second full-back to be drafted when he is
done at USC (as long as he stays healthy). I'm not sure he would have put
himself in that same position had he gone to Grambling or BYU/Utah. He has shown
he can start on a top team.
What conference does Utah and BYU play in?Oh yea, the MWC. There
conference champion plays in the Las Vegas Bowl. The big time.
The Martinez boy is "John" not Steve (that's his dad's name).
Wonderful, I'd agree with at least half of what you say, but, I see no evidence
that going to LSU improves your draft prospects over going to Grambling. NFL
scouts spend inordinate amounts of time at small schools... ones that don't even
show up on the Utah and BYU radar screens. And when they find someone who can
help them win, they'll take them from Arizona Penal Academy. I too
hope these young men and women recruited for colleges seriously look at the
local universities first and make their decision based upon which school offers
them the best education and environment. Do well. Perform. And if they have
talent, the pros will find them and they'll make oodles of cash.
Now only if most would choose BYU or Utah. I am a Ute fan but I love seeing any
of our States schools doing well and especially with local talent. I can see how
it is difficult for a kid to pass up on big schools who play in big time games
with big time exposure. It could be the difference in determining what round you
are drafted or if you are drafted.