I believe it is you liberal anti-religeous people who are the wackos.This is about tha actions of one man NOT a group.So enough with
generalizations.You all know darn well most christian people don't
act this way. Most people don't act this way.It's
amazing the anti-religion zealots that come out the woodwork the brand whole
groups of people obver actions of an individual.I would say you
people castigating him are as extremist as him.
There is a place for God and in religion in public life.The 17
teen-age girls in mass. who made pact to get pregnant is proof of how neccessary
it is.What we really need is to get government out our schools and
return them to communities which they serve.
It does have to do with politics, and sociology, and morality, and everything
that has come to exemplify fundamentalist Christians outlandish antics, that too
often they are determined to impose on our collective morality (which is more
moderate and reasonable), our sociality (which is supposed to be more caring and
charitable) and out politics (which better serves America when pluralistic and
more from the middle).If I were you, I'd look closely at the
comments being made concerning this event, and the fact that people do tie this
to the current political crisis, handily caused by the radical religious right
of the Republican party... to which people are not only making the connection,
but speaking out across the voting public... according to a recent independent
national poll - 85% to be exact!I do agree that religious insanity
should not automatically be equated with politics... but hey... this is the
backlash the Republican party as opened itself up to due to their capitulating
to the radical irrational Right and their profound religious, political and
social wrongness that has busted the teeth out of America's former stature,
standing and well-being.So, time to get back to sanity, moderation,
In reading these posts two things are obvious, 1-a lot of Deseret readers are
anti religious; and 2- very few LDS read and comment on these...unless of course
their religion is in the spot light. Also, Re: Robert: loved your
comment! I can see how this thing could have been taken way out of context and
how the media is miscontruing the whole episode.
How a guy gets certified in science when he doesn't even believe in science is a
mystery to me. He teaches the supernatural as science and burns crosses on
students arms. The sad thing is that people are so sensitive about
freedom of religion that they are afraid to say this guy's a nut case and throw
him out of our schools.School science should be a place only for
credible academic studies, not some supernatural religious concepts.
What do you expect?It's an election year.85% of the country is not
happy with the direction this country is taking.
This is what happens when you let the fed run the school systems rather than the
The Denver Post online has a picture of the kid's arm. The burn looks large and
more like a cross than an x. Burning a kid is sick no matter what the shape but
burning a cross seems to be even sicker. I would rather have a mentally healthy
janitor without a high school diploma monitoring the class for the rest of the
year than have this guy anywhere near my child!
This guy is a child abuser---if it were my child and the guy wasn't fired
immediately, I would go to the police and then to the courts. Religion has no
place in the classroom IMO but burning a child is a different order of offense.
If he had touched a boy or girl sexually, he would be out of a job and probably
in jail. Why isn't physical abuse treated with the same seriousness? It could be
a line or a circle or an squiggle but he still hurt a child. The religious part
is just icing on the cake of his inappropriateness.
This guy isn't the only psycho who hides behind the veil of Christianity.There are tons of them out there just like him.
This wasn't about politics right, left, middle, up, down, whatever, just some
guy obviously sick in the head. Do we really have to keep dividing ourselves
If you can't find another slot...how idiotic is that reasoning...give him the
old...leave of absence...until you find out through a thorough investigation
what is going on.These tenure teachers...fear nothing...they can't
fire me...so I have the right to do whatever I want...attitude.WHO
gave HIM the right to burn anything on anyone?Fire him and get
someone who isn't a psycho in there.This is just horrible news...and
we hear something strange and more bizzare in our world everyday...not just the
World News...but our schools are falling apart big time!
What away to give someone a tattoo. Probably just as painful as well.
Anyone out there trying to justify this guy's actions needs to ask themselves
one simple question:Would you be defending this guy if he were a
Muslim, Jew, Druid, etc. and burning whatever religious symbols he thought was
most appropriate, and espousing those religious views to your child?If the answer is NO! then wake up, your own personal prejudice has blinded
Why is it that it is OK to teach "Christian vallues" in public schools but not
OK to teach sex education? Those who don't want to have sex education say it is
the parents responsibility to teach their children. Well, it is also the
parents responsibility to teach Christian, Muslim, Jewish, or any other values
that they want their children to follow. It is not the responsibility of the
schools or any teacher to instruct my or anyone else's children in what
religious values they should follow.
My dad lived about an hour from this place. That area is as strange as they
This sounds like a guy the republican right would like to have in all elected
Sometimes religion just doesn't pay off. People become odd balls and fanatical
witches. Myself, I only believe in GOD, and I'll leave it at that. Some of the
most bazaar crimes are committed in the name of religion. Many religious People
like this teacher become disconnected wackos. pretty scary!!!
To my way of thinking, teaching creationism, having a Bible in class, and
teaching Christian dogma in a public school classroom are all more damaging than
burning on the cross. And the burning on the image is unconscionable. Some
middle schools are 5-6 grade or 6-7 grade. Kids could have been as young as
10.Even if the teacher is teaching "the values of most of the
parents" in that area, it should not be happening in a public school. If
parents want this guy teaching their kids, let them pay for a private
institution in which to do it.How could a teacher ever think it was
appropriate to "brand" minors without parental consent?
This is what happens when the wacky religious right freaks worship the punitive,
angry and unforgiving Old Testament God rather than the loving, caring and
forgiving God of The New Testament.
If he created a Crescent Moon,and had a Koran wouldit be ok then? :-)
This is Utah, there's some teacher right now firing up an Angel Moroni brand for
the next school year!!Even if it were an "X" as stated, WHY WOULD
YOU WANT TO BURN YOUR STUDENTS? And we thought the education system in Utah
needed work!Is this what happens when you bring God in to the
classroom? Seriously. WWJD? Appearantly He'd burn a cross onto
your arm.This is just too, too bizarre.
Okay, AP reports the teacher's wrongdoings *in the following order*:1. Preached Christian beliefs2. Burned crosses on students'
arms3. Taught creationism4. Did not remove Bible from
classroomLet's see, which of these things is not like the others?Isn't burning ANY shape on anyone the one fact in this story that they
should be shouting from the rooftops? Instead, they make it sound like "oh by
the way, he also burned crosses on kids."Bizarre incident, and
bizarre reporting style.
Why am I reminded of Professor Umbridge from the Harry Potter series?
More solid evidence of the Christian right losing its marbles.
did this guy get a science endorsement? Something went wrong there. Do you think
maybe science teachers in Ohio could use a little more content instruction?
Also, somebody better wake up Albert and tell him his theories of relativity are
The article says "The report comes one week after a family filed a federal
lawsuit in Columbus against Freshwater and the school district, saying
Freshwater burned a cross on their child's arm that remained for three or four
weeks."So the cross was not permanent. And these are "Middle
School" aged children. Wonder how old that is in Ohio? In my school Middle
School it was GRADES 7-8-9. So the kids could possibly 13-14? Wonder how many
kids? Did the kids ask for temporary tattoo as part of the science project
example? I know as a 13 year old I would have said "Oh, cool! Do me, do me."
Would this had been okay if the teacher had used Mickey Mouse in the experiment?
To the Cross-burning part: WOW, just WOW. Unbelievable!