Report: Ohio teacher burned cross on kids' arms

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  • Anonymous
    June 21, 2008 1:56 a.m.

    I believe it is you liberal anti-religeous people who are the wackos.

    This is about tha actions of one man NOT a group.

    So enough with generalizations.

    You all know darn well most christian people don't act this way.

    Most people don't act this way.

    It's amazing the anti-religion zealots that come out the woodwork the brand whole groups of people obver actions of an individual.

    I would say you people castigating him are as extremist as him.

  • Anonymous
    June 21, 2008 1:07 a.m.

    There is a place for God and in religion in public life.

    The 17 teen-age girls in mass. who made pact to get pregnant is proof of how neccessary it is.

    What we really need is to get government out our schools and return them to communities which they serve.

  • TO: Quit the bipartisan garbage
    June 20, 2008 8:25 p.m.

    It does have to do with politics, and sociology, and morality, and everything that has come to exemplify fundamentalist Christians outlandish antics, that too often they are determined to impose on our collective morality (which is more moderate and reasonable), our sociality (which is supposed to be more caring and charitable) and out politics (which better serves America when pluralistic and more from the middle).

    If I were you, I'd look closely at the comments being made concerning this event, and the fact that people do tie this to the current political crisis, handily caused by the radical religious right of the Republican party... to which people are not only making the connection, but speaking out across the voting public... according to a recent independent national poll - 85% to be exact!

    I do agree that religious insanity should not automatically be equated with politics... but hey... this is the backlash the Republican party as opened itself up to due to their capitulating to the radical irrational Right and their profound religious, political and social wrongness that has busted the teeth out of America's former stature, standing and well-being.

    So, time to get back to sanity, moderation, non-divisive politics.

  • plankton
    June 20, 2008 8:11 p.m.

    In reading these posts two things are obvious, 1-a lot of Deseret readers are anti religious; and 2- very few LDS read and comment on these...unless of course their religion is in the spot light.

    Also, Re: Robert: loved your comment! I can see how this thing could have been taken way out of context and how the media is miscontruing the whole episode.

  • RMW
    June 20, 2008 6:23 p.m.

    How a guy gets certified in science when he doesn't even believe in science is a mystery to me. He teaches the supernatural as science and burns crosses on students arms.

    The sad thing is that people are so sensitive about freedom of religion that they are afraid to say this guy's a nut case and throw him out of our schools.

    School science should be a place only for credible academic studies, not some supernatural religious concepts.

  • re:quit bipartisan garbage
    June 20, 2008 5:25 p.m.

    What do you expect?
    It's an election year.
    85% of the country is not happy with the direction this country is taking.

  • Anonymous
    June 20, 2008 5:21 p.m.

    This is what happens when you let the fed run the school systems rather than the community.

  • Judy
    June 20, 2008 5:17 p.m.

    The Denver Post online has a picture of the kid's arm. The burn looks large and more like a cross than an x. Burning a kid is sick no matter what the shape but burning a cross seems to be even sicker. I would rather have a mentally healthy janitor without a high school diploma monitoring the class for the rest of the year than have this guy anywhere near my child!

  • Judy
    June 20, 2008 4:47 p.m.

    This guy is a child abuser---if it were my child and the guy wasn't fired immediately, I would go to the police and then to the courts. Religion has no place in the classroom IMO but burning a child is a different order of offense. If he had touched a boy or girl sexually, he would be out of a job and probably in jail. Why isn't physical abuse treated with the same seriousness? It could be a line or a circle or an squiggle but he still hurt a child. The religious part is just icing on the cake of his inappropriateness.

  • Anonymous
    June 20, 2008 4:12 p.m.

    This guy isn't the only psycho who hides behind the veil of Christianity.
    There are tons of them out there just like him.

  • Quit the bipartisan garbage
    June 20, 2008 3:50 p.m.

    This wasn't about politics right, left, middle, up, down, whatever, just some guy obviously sick in the head. Do we really have to keep dividing ourselves like this?

  • What a nut!
    June 20, 2008 3:16 p.m.

    If you can't find another idiotic is that reasoning...give him the old...leave of absence...until you find out through a thorough investigation what is going on.

    These tenure teachers...fear nothing...they can't fire I have the right to do whatever I want...attitude.

    WHO gave HIM the right to burn anything on anyone?

    Fire him and get someone who isn't a psycho in there.

    This is just horrible news...and we hear something strange and more bizzare in our world everyday...not just the World News...but our schools are falling apart big time!

  • WOW!
    June 20, 2008 3:09 p.m.

    What away to give someone a tattoo. Probably just as painful as well.

  • For the apologists
    June 20, 2008 3:08 p.m.

    Anyone out there trying to justify this guy's actions needs to ask themselves one simple question:

    Would you be defending this guy if he were a Muslim, Jew, Druid, etc. and burning whatever religious symbols he thought was most appropriate, and espousing those religious views to your child?

    If the answer is NO! then wake up, your own personal prejudice has blinded you.

  • Nevada Reader
    June 20, 2008 3:06 p.m.

    Why is it that it is OK to teach "Christian vallues" in public schools but not OK to teach sex education? Those who don't want to have sex education say it is the parents responsibility to teach their children. Well, it is also the parents responsibility to teach Christian, Muslim, Jewish, or any other values that they want their children to follow. It is not the responsibility of the schools or any teacher to instruct my or anyone else's children in what religious values they should follow.

  • sounds like Ohio to me
    June 20, 2008 3:02 p.m.

    My dad lived about an hour from this place. That area is as strange as they come.

  • right
    June 20, 2008 2:20 p.m.

    This sounds like a guy the republican right would like to have in all elected offices.

  • Craziness
    June 20, 2008 2:13 p.m.

    Sometimes religion just doesn't pay off. People become odd balls and fanatical witches. Myself, I only believe in GOD, and I'll leave it at that. Some of the most bazaar crimes are committed in the name of religion. Many religious People like this teacher become disconnected wackos. pretty scary!!!

  • beyond the pale
    June 20, 2008 2:04 p.m.

    To my way of thinking, teaching creationism, having a Bible in class, and teaching Christian dogma in a public school classroom are all more damaging than burning on the cross. And the burning on the image is unconscionable. Some middle schools are 5-6 grade or 6-7 grade. Kids could have been as young as 10.

    Even if the teacher is teaching "the values of most of the parents" in that area, it should not be happening in a public school. If parents want this guy teaching their kids, let them pay for a private institution in which to do it.

    How could a teacher ever think it was appropriate to "brand" minors without parental consent?

  • Old v New
    June 20, 2008 1:40 p.m.

    This is what happens when the wacky religious right freaks worship the punitive, angry and unforgiving Old Testament God rather than the loving, caring and forgiving God of The New Testament.

    June 20, 2008 1:39 p.m.

    If he created a Crescent Moon,and had a Koran would
    it be ok then? :-)

  • Look out!!
    June 20, 2008 1:15 p.m.

    This is Utah, there's some teacher right now firing up an Angel Moroni brand for the next school year!!

    Even if it were an "X" as stated, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO BURN YOUR STUDENTS? And we thought the education system in Utah needed work!

    Is this what happens when you bring God in to the classroom? Seriously.

    WWJD? Appearantly He'd burn a cross onto your arm.

    This is just too, too bizarre.

  • Interesting journalism
    June 20, 2008 12:36 p.m.

    Okay, AP reports the teacher's wrongdoings *in the following order*:

    1. Preached Christian beliefs

    2. Burned crosses on students' arms

    3. Taught creationism

    4. Did not remove Bible from classroom

    Let's see, which of these things is not like the others?

    Isn't burning ANY shape on anyone the one fact in this story that they should be shouting from the rooftops? Instead, they make it sound like "oh by the way, he also burned crosses on kids."

    Bizarre incident, and bizarre reporting style.

  • Doug S
    June 20, 2008 12:34 p.m.

    Why am I reminded of Professor Umbridge from the Harry Potter series?

  • news of the weird
    June 20, 2008 12:11 p.m.

    More solid evidence of the Christian right losing its marbles.

  • How on earth
    June 20, 2008 11:55 a.m.

    did this guy get a science endorsement? Something went wrong there. Do you think maybe science teachers in Ohio could use a little more content instruction? Also, somebody better wake up Albert and tell him his theories of relativity are all wrong.

  • Robert
    June 20, 2008 11:42 a.m.

    The article says "The report comes one week after a family filed a federal lawsuit in Columbus against Freshwater and the school district, saying Freshwater burned a cross on their child's arm that remained for three or four weeks."

    So the cross was not permanent. And these are "Middle School" aged children. Wonder how old that is in Ohio? In my school Middle School it was GRADES 7-8-9. So the kids could possibly 13-14? Wonder how many kids? Did the kids ask for temporary tattoo as part of the science project example? I know as a 13 year old I would have said "Oh, cool! Do me, do me." Would this had been okay if the teacher had used Mickey Mouse in the experiment? Just wondering.

  • Renita
    June 20, 2008 11:35 a.m.

    To the Cross-burning part: WOW, just WOW. Unbelievable!