Dadburnit, I concealed mine so good I cant find it now....I know I put it here
somewhere.. Here? no. what about around there? pifffft no. Under there? zzzzzzip
NO zzzzzzip. Back here? well grrrr. Ill find it, give me time.LOL
folks have a good weekend.
Guns scare me. I would rather see one out in the open so I can run screaming
insyead of wondering if everyone around me has one tucked in his/her shorts.
You might have one on you now, and I can't tell... AAAAAAARRRGGGHHHH!!!!
Pressure the police chief or training officer to do training bulletins for their
officers. In Washington we now have training bulletins completed for many cities
on the subject of Open Carry. 911 operators are informed to handle the calls of
a MWAG to ask specific questions to the caller. Many times the caller is told
that what the OC person is doing is legal and does not require the presence of a
officer (ie: carrying 2 gallons of milk in walmart). Need more info on trining
bulletins? Come see us on the Open Carry, Washington forum.
Thanks for clearifying Bob. Opencarry.org Questions are okay. But a gun
safely tucked away in its holster as opposed to being waved around or threatenly
aimed is no cause to be drawn on and cuffed for! More training for LEOs and 911
operators on the subject is definately needed everywhere that Open Carry is
Bob: "some carry and have permits to do so, and some do not have permits, How
is one to know? "Just a reminder Bob, people in Utah DO NOT NEED a
permit to openly carry a firearm. A cop asking for a permit absent of any
"reasonable, articulable suspicion" is akin to them pulling a driver over
because he might not have a license.I carry openly 90% of the time I
am not at work and have never had a negative experience. I have met and spoken
with dozens of people curious about the practice, most supportive, some wanting
to exercise their right in the same way, but unclear on Utah law.The
police can carry openly, so should private citizens be able to as well. Either
we are equal or we are not. Training isn't an issue, as most Open Carriers
practice more than any Police Department requires of their officers.
Tennessee's Handgun Carry License does NOT require concealment according to the
state attorney general. Concealment is strongly advised, but not required,
prudent as Bush41 used to say.The law used to say otherwise, but too
many CLEOs had their own definitions of printing, ranging from mild to wild.I keep my Ruger concealed so as to not frighten little old ladies of
both sexes and so I don't learn the first names of every rookie cop in a 10 mile
radius. But if the wind blows my jacket aside, I don't worry about it.From the Music City, USA
Inhere lies the problem, some carry and have permits to do so, and some do not
have permits, How is one to know? If the LEO's just look the other way and dont
respond to a 911 man with a gun call, then this alone sets up a situation where
protection of the public falls short and un-permitted gun crime will go up due
to non-reaction by LE.The LEO's should respond with controlled force
to insure the safety of all around the person with the gun, but then ASK the
person to see there ID and/or permit. Only after asking and not getting the
right response/proper ID, should the person be brought under more control.To tell the truth, Just less than 50% of the public do not want to be
next to a person with a gun in a line or bank or anywhere else permit or not,
and when they see a gun they do what they feel they should and call 911.In Texas we have to totally conceal (no printing) and if ask for ID by a
LEO, a CHL holder that is Packing must show Both there DL/ID and permit.
Please train the 911 operators also. They need to ask the caller if the gun is
hanging out in plain sight and if the perpetrator is calmly waiting in line.
Swilden, then 911 operators would have to work harder.They should,
I'm all for the police responding in force to someone who is acting in a
threatening manner, but if someone is just peacably walking his dog for example,
then they shouldn't worry about it, walking his dog OCing that is.
I disagree that officers should respond in force. A better approach is to train
911 operators to ask some followup questions, to determine if the person (not
all are men!) is threatening anyone or acting in any way suspicious or
dangerous.If not, the dispatcher should explain that it's legal, and
tell the caller to call back if the carrier does anything inappropriate or
Teach'em the Constitution. They took an oath to uphold it. It might be a good
idea for them to know what it says.
I agree officers need to respond in force to a report of a person carrying a
gun. What isn't mentioned is that a concealed weapon should probably be
concealed so as not to cause alarm. Weapons don't have to be openly carried.
I have a concealed weapons permit but would never dream of openly
packing a pistol into a bank. I think these folks are in their rights and their
pushing the issue because of that.