You and I don't agree on much but I'm with you on this. I have too many other
problems then to have to worry about some hot shot cop with a point to prove.
In either case this police office should in the least be required by
the department to take some gun safety lessons.... And why was his
gun out in the first place. Not every situation needs a GUN to be pulled out.
That may be one of the problems.I've seen too many times a
testosterone pumped policeman escalate a situation by not showing the civilians
any respect and demanding it in return.
To 3:11 p.m.,"Whether you like it or not swallow your pride and
choose to fight another day not get hurt or die because of it."Is
that what "law enforcement" means to you, conflict, use of force when no force
is needed, shooting someone just because you have a gun and you can?You want to live in a police state where you have to prove your innocence in
court? You want to cower before any and every police officer just because they
might decide to shoot you if they don't like your attitude?In all
three examples that I cited, the citizen used no lethal force against anyone -
including the police office. The citizen, in the case of the man in Vernal had
100% right to NOT sign the ticket. He knew it and the police officer knew it,
but he was still tasered. The man in Parley's Canyon was chased like a rabbit
before hounds because the police that the "right" to chase. The man, whose case
was dismissed, was shot, SHOT, by an off-duty policeman for weaving in and out
of traffic.Police State. Yes or No?
This is what happens when we have uneducated officers making twelve dollars an
hour policing us. The officer should be charged with a crime, of negligence at
the very least, as should the motorist if he was indeed intoxicated. In a perfect world, anyone wanting to be a police officer would instantly be
denied this opportunity. People become officers for a reason, and honestly,
there is no selfless reason for this. I know that if I was a cop, I'd probably
be the dirtiest one on Earth, simply because I can. And this is why I am not
an officer. The job breeds corruption and vindication. A good officer does not
exist. This incident is more proof of that.
The Officer was in the right.
I have to respond to Mike Richards stupidity and ignorance.This is
really simple and it goes to choices. If the man in Vernal would have simply
signed the ticket or even if he did not want to sign the ticket then do as the
policeman asked and do it calmly and respectively and you live to fight it in
court. But jump out of your vehicle screaming and pointing and ignoring commands
then you put the officer in a situation to do something whether it be right
wrong or in different. The man in Parleys made a choice he could have pulled
over dissolved whether the accusation was true or not but he decided to put
himself, officers, and multiple motorists at risk all by his own choice and he
died by his own choice. The man in the parking lot could have let the cop go
with his keys and called the police after all it was just keys not his vehicle.
All three people made choices that made someone react to there choices. Whether
you like it or not swallow your pride and choose to fight another day not get
hurt or die because of it.
I strongly disagree with Forrest that Tena Campbell is a great judge, I believe
she dismissed this case because if the facts came out, she would have to sit in
judgement of a police officer and she would not know how to do that. she sides
with law enforcement and Joe Citizen gets the book thrown at them
Keep posting 'em' Mike Richards.Your clear-cut rightist authoritarian
philosophy deserves all the exposure it craves. :>It's what America needs
now to realize just how liberal (sorry Mike Richards, but that is a POSITIVE
thing - not a negative) they actually are.
"a West Valley police officer who accidentally shot a motorist he thought was
driving intoxicated " -Thought- Is the key word class. Its says nowhere in
this story that he was intoxicated. Why would they not let this go to court?
When I was 14 years old a drunk driver took the life of my best friend. The
drunk driver walked away with a small bruse and a traffic ticket. Slapped on the
wrist. The part of this case that makes me angry is that the off duty
police office took the attention off the drunk driver. I do feel that his taking
that mans keys away proably saved an innocent life. The officer did not kill
him, but he could have driven right into one of us. We are all here to pass
judgement and complaints; in part because of that officer taking that man off
the roads.Good Job Officer...Thank You!
Tena Campbell is a great judge.
Law Enforcement exists to Protect Us. The Highway Patrolman who used a Taser
against the man near Vernal, Utah, the Police who chased a man to his death in
Parley's Canyon, and in this case, where an off-duty officer shot a man in the
shoulder, all point to the use of excessive force by the police. The Highway Patrolman in Vernal knew that he could submit the ticket without a
signature. The police who chased a man to his death in Parley's Canyon knew
that their only "hard evidence" was that someone had made a telephone call and
claimed that he/she had been defrauded. In this case, an off-duty policeman
used his weapon and shot a citizen in the shoulder.At the very
least, the case should be heard in court where all of the evidence could be
presented. We do not live in a "Police State". We should not have
to fear that a "Police Officer" will shoot us or chase us to our death or taser
us because the officer is having a bad day and doesn't like our attitude. We
don't live in a "bully" State with bullies looking for an excuse to "show us
In a perfect society make sure you are the guy who gets to carry a gun.
That cop in vernal said that he told the motorist he was under arrest. Video
says opposite. Of duty cops should have no business doing stuff like this. We
know the cop was not in uniform, that is all I need to know.
Bad judge = bad decision.
There are very, very few valid cases of police brutality, inappropriate use of
force, etc. In almost every case, the person that got tasered, clubbed, slammed
into the ground, or shot got what he or she deserved (and usually less).
Unfortunately, we have a lot of people in our society that think they can act
inappropriately and then get babied by the police, etc., when they get
caught.Sorry, this isn't soccer, and not everybody gets a trophy.Basically, if you don't do something stupid or bad, you have absolutely
nothing at all to fear from law enforcement officers.Remember: Your
choices. Your consequences.
And how do you propose we obtain the "real facts", assuming we trust the media
To 12:33,You're assuming facts that are not in evidence. The case
was dismissed before the evidence could be presented.
Why do you miss the point that the victim started the whole process by choosing
to drive impaired. Individual accountability seems to have vanished and blame
someone else for our mistakes and bad choices. That is the real problem with
Here we go again - passing judgment. All we know is what the media puts in
print or verbally. I suggest you not criticize until you have all the facts in
front of you. Then and only then should you be making any judgment calls. The
media reports something based on how the reporter sees it or how they want it to
be perceived. Know the real facts and then make your judgment call.
It seems more and more, that law enforcement no longer stands accountable for
"mistakes" in judgement; nor, outright police harrassment or brutality. If
there are "no" consequences, it will only continue. And I don't see
administrative paid leave as a consequence at all - it's a vacation and an award
for bad behavior.
There are times when going to court will allow all facts in a case to be
presented. As it now stands, the public will always think that the off-duty
police officer acted inappropriately and that a Federal Judge acted without
regard to the Public's best interests.
Well, the story stated that the motorist was shot in the shoulder. I think that
constitutes injury, the officer should pay all medical expenses and time for the
inujury to heal if it made the motorist miss work. If it was someone
else you know that they would have been held liable. It's okay for off duty
police officers to take someones keys and point guns at them.