Agreed. It was the judge's responsibility to tell investigators to find some
evidence before authorizing the massive raid. Impeach Judge Walther.
Gal50 - That's what Tom Green did. They put him in jail anyway. If you do it
in the name of religion you can't win. If you do it out of lust, government
says more power to you.Realitycheck - prove it.
Judge Barbara Walther was probably reacting to what was presented as credible
evidence, but the CPS & Texas went way too far without clear, credible, or
corroborated evidence & now they're just doing a typical CYA saying they need to
monitor these families for the next 2 yrs to see if abuse occurs. They didn't
have proof of criminal behavior before they took the kids & they still don't.
Someone should inform this bunch that in Texas the legal age for marriage
is 15 with parental consent [If you don't like it change the law!] & the
underage pregnancy rate is around 4%, so they can't find one pregnant girl &
round up an entire neighborhood. On the surface it seems there's something going
on with FLDS et al, but they wasted a whole bunch of $$$ just to prove there
were NO crimes committed...
Here we go these people do not know when to quit they are content on wasting
millions to go after people whose only crime is polygamy its just a matter of
time that our society will have to let these people be and along as there is no
foul there should be no crime.It is amazing how forgiving these people of
the FLDS were after we took their children now we have a meeting of law
enforcement to see how we can continue to take away these people civil rights.
All I can say, is that if the FLDS had of followed the true LDS prophet Wilford
Woodruff, and had listened to him and stopped the practice of polygamy, none of
this stuff today would be happening to them. Instead, the FLDS went off and
started their own church and the greedy, self indulging, FLDS men, kept the
practice of many wives. So now they are all paying the price for not obeying
Gods command and revelation to Wilford Woodruff, and not stopping the practice
of polygamy.FLDS have only themselves to blame for their indulging
Now, if our Utah law enforcement officials would expend the same amount of
energy in getting 287g training for our officers to enforce illegal alien
issues. They (St. George P.D. and W.C.S.O.) complain "lack of funds" to train
"...have no fear."I have no fear except to offend God. One man with
the Spirit of God is the majority. When God is my protector and my strength why
should I fear if the world hates me? It is when I am rejected of God and hated
of the world that I have need to fear. I fear no man and leave judgement to God.
You are trying to destroy the work of God, you think you are trying to destroy
the FLDS but you are dealing with Jehovah, the great I AM. Your controversy is
with God, good luck.
I think you've got the answer, Gal50! Makes as much sense as doing it the other
If you don't break the laws or practice polygamy have no fear.
"...mapping out a cooperative plan to go after crimes within polygamous sects."
Are they "mapping out a cooperative plan" to go after crimes within
monogamous sects too? This unhealthy obsession with Polygamy by the
authorities is getting scary.
if you peopel think 4 states and other agencies are "picking" on the FLDS
because of polygamy, you are seriously in denial. The FLDS is a fanatical
religious cult that will stop at nothing to further it's goals. They have
already killed in the name of their religion, when Jeffs to Willie the enforcer
to kill all the dogs in Colorado City. They did it without a second thought.These are dangerous people. Stop looking at the zombie women and
brainwashed children and take a good hard look at the leaders. They
violate the rights of their "followers" on a daily basis, with mind control and
intimidation. How you people can possibly say to leave them alone is beyond me.
Ignore the civil rights violations perpetrated by the leaders every day?
Ignore the murder of innocent animals? I don't think so. You can
ignore it, or complain that they are being persecuted, but fact is these are
really bad people and something needs to be done to free those poor children
stuck in the vicious cycle of abuse.
The message from this meeting is that the polygamists should be scared. But the
big question, is whether law enforcement is going to do something about polygamy
or whether it is just going to hold meetings because that is the only thing it
can do to scare the polygamists and appease the public. I don't like
seeing polygamist children suffering as much as they are. It may be in the
children's best interest to be very clear as to how law enforcement is going to
prosecute polygamy rather than be secretive about possibly taking the fight in a
new direction. There must be some position that we can all agree upon. In today's society, men get married and divorced and have consecutive families
rather than polygamous concurrent families. Perhaps the polygamists could put
their wives in triplex units. They could legally marry and divorce the first
wife, while still being "spiritually" married to her because they were not
"spiritually" divorced. They could then legally marry a second wife and start a
new family and then legally divorce the second wife and then start a third
1,000 boxes of "evidence" for "alleged" crimes, but still no hard evidence or
witnesses. HMMM!! Come on guys, this story is getting old. Go after some real
crimes in your own back yards. Leave these people alone. Your speaking out in
favor of Texas and CPS adds you to the list of conspirators against the
Constitution, which you have promised to uphold. That amounts to TREASON,
punishable by capital punishment! It's time for impeachment of law officials
who will not perform their duties, but insist on picking on the minority for
political gain and sensationalism.
Get over it. Texas authorities blew it. There is no way they can undo the
damage of trampling on the Constitution. Leave the pathetic FLDS alone,
especially the children.
Why are these law enforcement people obsessing over polygamy and a small
religious sect? Polygamy is rampant all over the world and yet law enforcement
feel the need to go after these pathetic FLDS folks - harassed, humiliated,
stalked, denied their Constitutional rights, have their babies ripped right out
of their arms, and on and on and on. I guess since they discovered they can't
use the innocent children to punish the FLDS adults, they are now going back to
the polygamy issue. It's like they are obsessed!! For God's sake, leave the
FLDS people alone. In this country, we have freedom of association, freedom of
religion, and freedom of THOUGHT. All these law enforcement types getting
together to conspire against one small group of religious nuts. They met to
discuss ways of depriving American citizens of their Constitutional rights. Is
this my America?
Here we go again. "Concerns" about abuse, but still no evidence, only
allegations. When are these guys going to get the picture? It is illegal to
pass laws against religion. By attacking FLDS and what they call "crimes in
polygamy" they are destroying their own freedoms. In America we have religious
freedom, right? These Constitution haters need to be impeached, and tried for
Violating the civil rights of members of the Flds is a crime. Law Enforcement
has better although less sensational things to do than harrassing polygamists.