FLDS couple notches another court victory

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  • Whatever
    June 16, 2008 12:29 p.m.

    Grandpa: You are suuming a lot. I was hoping you were part of this cult because that would explain your undying support. I have spent hours and hours researching this whole mess and reading court documnets. If there is no proof, why has CPS obtained TMC of these children? Why must the parents participate in services? Why are caseworkers allowed to visit children at any time? Please, have a clue before you post. It will save us all some time.
    zxcvbmn: Do you know evey law in your state? The original law (15) was not in place so little girls could be forced to marry old me. It was in place so they could marry, with parental permission, to someone of THEIR choice. If I was aware of the law, I would have disagreed with it then.
    Texas should not apoligize for atempting to protect children. All the states who allow the continual law breaking should apoligize. If FLDS do not like Texas laws on marriage, child labor, and child sexual abuse, they should LEAVE and maybe settle in Grandpa's state.

  • zxcvbnm
    June 13, 2008 2:07 a.m.

    Another appeals court judge has handed Walther and CPS slap. Now all we need is a formal apology and perhaps the FLDS won't sue the State of Texas for a few billion.

  • edomi41
    June 12, 2008 4:37 p.m.

    To "whatever" - "Everyone who supports underage marriage is sick." That pretty much covers all of Texas as of two years ago when the legal age for marriage of a young girl was 15. Now its upped to 16 or 17 which still makes them minors. Please look in the mirror and ask yourself, "Why, oh why, was I allowing underage girls to get married?" Unless of course, you're not from Texas or you don't vote. Then you're just uniformed or lazy.

  • Grandpa Phil
    June 12, 2008 11:21 a.m.

    OH "whatever", if you would take some of your obviously frivolous time and READ the court documents like some of us did, you will see that the order to return the children was made because CPS was unable to document or produce any evidence of abuse which would have warranted such a removal. The removal was handled wrong in that it was conducted regardless of the fact that no such abuse was found. Also, assuming I am FLDS just makes you look dumber than your comments demonstrate. I couldn't care less about Warren Jeffs; he isn't in this picture or on my radar screen. He's in jail. Associating his misdeeds with innocent people is just an indicator of the bigotry prevalent in so many of these posts. I have 9 children and 9 grandchildren all living in NC far away from this fray, but we are watching the trends and events and are concerned that people with attitudes such as yours will fire this up into a storm that will sweep everything in its path like the fires in California driven by the Santa Anna winds. Me and mine WILL NOT be a victim to religious bigotry such as yours.

  • To Janet
    June 12, 2008 9:00 a.m.

    What is the youngest age you have seen a little girl get married or have a child?

  • whatever
    June 12, 2008 8:59 a.m.

    To: Yes they do.
    CPS workers do not drive the handicapped bus.
    To Granpa: The children are home because of they way the removal was handled, not due to lack of abuse. You really need to research this. Also, did you see the screaming children? I guess, grandpa, you really did want the little girls to come back to you. Call me whatever you want. All FLDsers who are in plural marriages are breaking the law. Everyone who supports underage marriage is sick. Even Willie says they will NO LONGER support this. This means it was happening before. If you don't like our laws, leave Texas. And Warren is now admitting that he is an evil man. Watch his interview.
    It is clear that this blog is filled with FLDS men who "want their little girls back" and mothers who sit back and allow it. I guess Alissa Wall is just a FLDS hater too? I do not hate. I have pity and compassions for thoes who are so blind, and anger for those that create this lifestyle. Maybe your leader will come out of hiding now? What do you think the DNA results will show on Jeffs?

  • Grandpa Phil
    June 12, 2008 7:59 a.m.

    Uhm, "realitycheck" you got busted, again. WHy do you continue to spout the same hateful rhetoric on so many of these blogs when you KNOW the circumstances you present as "self-evident" simply do not exist? Find something positive in your life and pursue that. All of this FLDS bashing is taking a toll on your concept of reality. You need a rest; please take one.

  • Janet
    June 12, 2008 12:09 a.m.

    To:realitycheck | 3:18 p.m. June 11, 2008

    You are misinformed, you have no facts and until you do keep your comments to yourself, I am embarrassed for you.

  • celia
    June 11, 2008 5:50 p.m.

    getreal, realitycheck and other FLDS haters should step back and look at themselves in the mirror. A hateful religious bigot is what they will see.

    The FLDS are NOT a cult, NOT child abusers, NOT pedophiles, NOT all the vile crude that the flds haters fantasize about.

    The state of Texas has thus far spent in excess of $10mil and not a nickels worth of child abuse evidence has been found.

  • Stick to truth
    June 11, 2008 3:50 p.m.

    RealityCheck needs to get a reality check!!
    You have been fed a lot of lies, or you are making
    them up.

    Ask any of the so called lost boys and they will tell you they love their parents to death,
    And from what I understand will not cooperate with flds haters in prosecuting their parents. (the parents give them free agency,So they are bad parents???)

    They are taught teachings of our savior to love not hate. Your comments makes me wonder what you were taught ? How sad.

  • realitycheck
    June 11, 2008 3:18 p.m.

    These kids are abused on a daily basis.

    2nd poster (Hard to believe 7:41am) stated "hope the state compensates anyone who rights were denied". Why would the state pay for the civil rights violations perpetrated by these parents? That's just crazy. The parents abuse the children every day, the state tries to help, and you want the state to pay? That's crazy.

    These poor kids have no life, and will never have one. It it the most blatant violation of civil rights since slavery.

    These "parents" are incapable of raising normal children, so they use mind-control from the day the child is born. The parents figure it happened to them, it should happen to their children. (I use the term "parent" loosely here because thwt these people do is not parenting, it's imprisoning.

    The criminals are the parents and FLDS leaders. We all know it, but few here will admit it.

  • Grandpa Phil
    June 11, 2008 1:41 p.m.

    getreal wrote, "unless it involves abuse". getreal is unreal. Perhaps you have not been keeping up lately; the kids are home because CPS could find no evidence of abuse by the mothers or the fathers. That isn't "defending them"; it is a fact of law now. I understand that you people do not wish to be confused by the facts as your minds are made up; however, GET OVER IT. The criminal cases will go the same route as the abuse cases; the facts will come out and the State's case will dissolve. Just by using the word "cult" to describe the FLDS, you identified your bias and bigotry. No one is going to listen to a bigot. You want to be credible? Remain objective and stop spouting the Neo-Christian hate rhetoric. We have all seen full well the nature of Texas "protection". CPS and the Judge were FAR more abusive to those children than their parents EVER were. Protection does not involve tearing screaming children out of crying mothers' arms. It does not involve holding adults against their will so you can steal their newborn babies. Their effort was to destroy, not protect. The criminals were the authorities.

  • Nelisse
    June 11, 2008 1:27 p.m.

    Actually, this judge did indeed temporarily reunite this particular family. This was done earlier than the Judge Walthers/CPS negotiatiated agreement, and even before the Supremem Court ruling on the matter. Their children are 3 of the 12 children reunited with their parents mentioned in the court documents in the Supreme Court briefs.

    So the story was correct.

  • Yes, they do!
    June 11, 2008 1:24 p.m.

    Yes, CPS all over this country take children based on anonomyous complaints--all the time. They have to prove nothing and heaven help you if you have a different way of life than the caseworker--for example, believe in breast feeding a handicapped child and refuse to send him out on a little bus for an all day program away from home at 6 MONTHS old! That was our baby--and at the same time, one of those CPS bus drivers was convicted of molesting some of the handicapped children he was transporting.
    Check out Victims of Child Abuse Laws and read up on some of the cases. I've seen a number of local ones that would curl your hair!

  • Anonymous
    June 11, 2008 12:28 p.m.

    do you only post pro flds comments?

  • getreal
    June 11, 2008 11:48 a.m.

    No. Utah does nothing about this. This is why this "way of life" is allowed to continue. I believe in freedom of religion but these children have no freedoms. and yes, people have every right to rise their children how they see fit, unless it involves abuse. At least Texas tried to protect the children. Before you respond or defend this cult, research it. This investigation is far from over. Wait until the criminal case begins.

  • Writ
    June 11, 2008 10:34 a.m.

    Does the DCFS here in Utah use these same basic tactics, just on a small scale?

    What reforms do we need to be pushing?

  • Grandpa Phil
    June 11, 2008 9:03 a.m.

    Enough is enough. I hope all of the families find a way to get a similar restraining order keeping CPS away from their children. CPS has been FAR more abusive to these children than the parents have EVER been. If these children have ANY hope of growing up normally (a relative term), it has to be AWAY from the clutches of CPS. I know these people have a different idea of normal than mainstream America but, considering what mainstream America is subjecting their children to, that can be a good thing. As long as nothing illegal is going on, I don't see the FLDS as any different than the Amish who have every right to raise their children as they see fit.

  • Just the facts please
    June 11, 2008 8:43 a.m.

    "The court also granted the parents temporary custody of their three children until Monday's review hearing."
    Mr. West the storyteller here might well do a little fact checking of his own, especially since it has been proven over and over again that just because another journalist (and I use that term very lightly) quoted it in their story does not in any way make it true.
    This family was not reunited pending the supreme court decision by "court order" it was an agreement that CPS initiated with the family's attorneys and the judge merely approved it. Get this...CPS was the ones who propossed it rather than having their heads handed to them for the wrongs they had done.

  • Ray
    June 11, 2008 8:40 a.m.

    Let's hear it for Judge Tanner!

    If there is some actual reason for individual suspicion regarding the Jessop's and child abuse, maybe fine, but without it they are as much in need of "protection" as you or I.

    Texas CPS social workers and lawyers are the real abusers here and this judge can tell!

  • Hard to believe
    June 11, 2008 7:41 a.m.

    I still cannot believe what these people have to go through I hope the state will have to compensate any one who civil rights were denied.

  • Thomas
    June 11, 2008 2:38 a.m.

    Leave these people alone.