Immigration measure applies to contractors
regardless THEY ARE HUMANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WHETHER THEY ARE ILLEGAL OR NOT.
Do The Brethren really need to remind everyone again what it means to be
Christlike? Matthew 25:41-46. I can't wait for the replies to this. "But they
are breaking the law." It is plainly and simply hate. Let's work for a solution,
not stamp numbers on them and send them to the gas chambers. They pay taxes into
fake socials, they pay taxes and almost always never get it back because they
are too afraid to file a return with those fake numbers. Most of you have NO
CLUE WHATSOEVER you are talking about. Most live here with their families, and
aren't sending money back. Some do, but what about you? Don't you buy goods from
all over the world, sending money to all sorts of economies? "Anchor babies
should be sent back unless someone here will take them." They are citizens of
the United States of America, how are you going to kick a citizen out of the
country. Are there some problems that need to be worked out? Yes, absolutely,
but to those that think all our problems are on their soldiers: The Nazis said
the same of the Jews.
I do not think that it would be all that hard to round them all up and I by No
means just mean the Mexicans and South Americans. I means the ones from Canada
and Europe also. The problem is the Legal Process and the Auto Citizenship of
people born in the United States which should not be. Duel Citizenship perhaps,
Head of The Line when 18 if other wise qualified perhaps but just best because
your mother was committing a crime by being here when you where born is know
reason you should be a automatic citizen and your parents get a ride for
breaking the law. I don't want to extend Medical Care to the Mother and her New
Born, however I do not want to answer to God for not doing so. However when
everything is Normal then Arrest, Detain, Deport, Mama and the little bundle of
joy. Whit enough Diapers and Formula to get them started. I would say 6 week to
2 months max. The legal process has to be shorter and less complicated. If they
are going to kill you for escaping your own country then you knew that when you
We have the verification law on the books in Arizona. The newspaper reported a
few weeks ago about all the workers packing up and heading back to Mexico.
Specifically reported on one family who loaded up their F-250 and Suburban with
their fridge, stove, washer, dryer, TVs and all their furniture and belongings
to take back to Mexico with them. Businesses that have catered to immigrants
are finding their customer base is drying up as the immigrants leave to seek
"friendlier" places to live and work. The law has been upheld in court,
although it is still being appealed, but if the goal is to shut down the jobs,
it seems to be working. The Governor of Arizona is now talking about trying to
set up a Guest Worker program between Arizona and Mexico since we can't seem to
get the federal government to do anything. I'm glad to see Chertoff doing
something!By the way, federal law keeps us from kicking the kids out of
school (not that I would do that- just earlier comments) just like it requires
emergency rooms to treat everyone who walks through the doors. You can't punish
the kids for choices of parents.
"I hope all of you xenophobes understand my sarcasm. Let's treat these people,
ESPECIALLY the children, in a humane, respectful way."The humane way
would be to load them on the bus with their illegal parents and send them south.
If they are Citizens by virtue of being born on this soil (so-called anchor
babies), let them stay if they can find someone that will take them in."I agree that we need to secure the border."Borders will never be
secured. As soon as we get the fence up on the south border they will head for
the gulf, or east coast, or west coast, or the northern border. The only way to
stop illegal immigration is to cut off employment."But let's allow
those hardworking immigrants who are already here to have hope of one day
becoming legal citizens!"They can become citizens by getting in
line. There are millions who would like to come here. We can't take them
all.Watch YouTube's Immigration Gumballs for a startling and factual
look at what we have ahead of us with uncontrolled immigration.
If we kicked illegals out of our workforce we would be well under the current
5.5% unemployed rate. Which means at least one recession datum would be
I have seen a similar program work in New Mexico, where each employer had to
verify their workers were legal citizens, or legal alien's, by showing documents
of citizenship, birth certificates, etc., and verified by a background check
paid for by the employer. Not only did they eliminate illegal foreign workers
from any country, but criminals and drug users also. The burden is on the
employer who wants work where federal contracts are in place to see that their
employees are legal, drug free and no criminal background. And they must also
be subject to random checks by the employer to keep records up to date. These
program could easily work in the private sector also, and if made law, those
employers hiring illegals are heavily fined or put out of business.
I believe the most frustrating part for all us who speak the English language,
is going to a fast food place, place an order and not knowing if you're going to
get the right order because the person taking the order doesn't speak our
national language of English! That has got to be the most frustrating issue of
every American. If you are here is our country, whether it be legally or
illegally, learn the language it would really help us all out, especially when I
order no tomatoes no onions on my hamburger, oh and how much do I owe you? You
are in American not another country at least respect the country you are in.
It is about time. This program is fair and it works. Even with less than one
percent computer error rate, the worker has 90 days to resolve the problem, with
a personal investigator. If there are problems these issues need to be resolved
for reasons other than illegal immigration, for example proper credit for SSN
payments and ID theft. However, I doubt that the Bush Administration
enforcement of employment laws has anything to do with illegal immigration which
Bush supports. It has to do with holding down the unemployment rate during the
recession. Illegal aliens are not included in the unemployment rates, because
they can not apply for unemployment compensation or help finding a job at
Workforce Services. In addition illegal aliens holding jobs when there are
plenty of legal workers available will only anger the voters during a very
critical time. By late summer it could be a huge political problem.The Utah Legislature refused this year to pass a law on this very same issue.
Actually they did, but it may or may not go into effect until July 2009.By the way Rep. Cannon has only learned to, "Talk the Talk," on this
(ICE) does not discriminate, and therefore if any person gets caught offering
refuge to 'illegal aliens' NOT IMMIGRANTS. They will be arrested for aiding and
abetting illegal foreign nationals. Nobody must be exempt from investigation
including government contractors, or even employment agencies who employ
laborers. Today! NOW! (ICE) is now being offered intelligence by the
public-at-large. People are becoming 'informants' and using their inside
knowledge to report suspicious activity regarding fraudulent Social Security
Numbers and large numbers of individuals who cannot comprehend English was
certain to draw attention.
I think a lot of people (at least here in California) are starting to do tasks
they used to hire out. Between gas prices and the illegal issues, we are
finding out that we can do a lot of our own landscaping, etc. Also,
a few years ago California voted in a proposition to stop giving free education,
etc., to children of illegals. It was tossed out when the illegals took the
state to court.
ok people. seriously, if you want the illegals out of here so bad why dont you
call INS yourself? you know where they work. Fast food places, call INS/ICE now
the sooner you call the sooner they will get them out of here.
What do you think green cards are for?If they come here leagal I don't
think anybody would cmplain.
Get them out of here!
If you all get your wishes, you may be very surprised when the price of food
goes even higher, and some items become unavailable, because there is not the
labor to harvest it. Or, in the case of meat packing, there will be no one to
do the jobs that once supported working class families and have been turned into
hellish and unsafe factory lines. And I'm sure you'll all enjoy doing you own
"landscape" work. Lots more, but you get the idea. These illegals are not
taking jobs away from citizens. What's taking the jobs away is the "global
economy" - translated: big business runs the world and is able to export U.S.
jobs to third world countries where the wages are much lower and worker's right
non-existent.I'm not a proponent of letting everyone come here,
though I suspect you might find that fewer people want to as our economy tanks.
But bulding a wall has never kept people out for long: Great Wall of China,
Berlin Wall, Maginot Line; look how those worked out. If this problem were
approached from a thoughful stance rather than a hate-based blindness, we'd get
a lot closer to a solution.
Chris Cannon has done nothing to stop illegal immigration. So why is Chris
Cannon being quoted? Oh yeah, his brother runs the Deseret News. It's nice his brother gives him "air time" to pretend he'd do something.
Thank you Cong. Cannon for pushing on this issue. I appreciate your time and
Do you folks honestly believe that this or the next Administration, seriously
wants to control this issue; much less, the boarders? Bush SECRETLY established
an alliance with Mexico and Canada a few years ago,their goal being to eliminate
the northern and southern boarders, is to establish the Free Trade area of the
Americas (FTAA), mirroring the European Union, and ultimately bring about a New
World Order (NWO). This is not speculation - the evidence is now irrefutable.
They have become very open and vocal about it. You just don't hear much about
it in the mainstream media because they're part of the plan. This is still
their goal and it is methodically being done in violation of our sovereignty and
our Constitution. Bush senior publically talked of the NWO, as has McCCain in a
few of his campaign specches (speaking of the inadequacies of the UN to bring it
about).All this is nothing but a show and a smoke screen, so they
can methodically take away one liberty after another; the national I.D., being
only one example. Imagine the control they will have over virtually every
aspect of our lives.
I am one of those people who has been denied a job because 'hablo espanol un
poquito' It's not just them I am also denied jobs because of my age - over 40. A
job that I applied for and had an interview for with great feedback. the
employer is still running an ad looking for help. I applied at the end of April.
I have sent a follow up email to check on the status of my application and have
received no answer. I am going to send my resume yet again today - it will be
the third time I have applied with the company. The first time I applied was
when I first moved here.There are jobs out there, it is the
employers not the employees who are being picky. If this wasn't the case then we
would have 0.1% unemployment not 3%
"Lee" and "Anonymous" are right! But I want to go a step further. After we
make sure that all the children of illegal immigrants are kicked out of our
schools, even though they didn't make the choice to come here illegally, let's
get them deported too! After all, we can't have thousands of elementary school
aged children roaming the streets!I have an idea, lets round them up
and store them in the "temporary homes" we used for the Japanese in WW2. Then,
after we've created a government police force big enough to deport all 15
million of them, let's put them in buses and take them back to where they came
from!I hope all of you xenophobes understand my sarcasm. Let's
treat these people, ESPECIALLY the children, in a humane, respectful way. I
agree that we need to secure the border. But let's allow those hardworking
immigrants who are already here to have hope of one day becoming legal citizens!
To Frustrated:I hear you, my husband and I are in the same situation as
you guys, but he is not from England he is from Mexico. So your husband would
not have been better off coming from Mex.
why only the mexicans??they are not the only ones coming to america
ilegal...they are the only ones that are not allowed to stay in america
legally like cubans,haitans,etc.how many other (not mexicans) do you see
harvesting what we eat.any other nationality arrives here puts one foot on
america soil and,BOOM;;;they get to stay get free homes free buisnesses free
cars;;etc.our america does not have any of they"re tax dollars unclaimed
each year.there is millions upon millions of dollars each year that our
fedaral keeps from these MEXICANS that can not claim it at the end of the
year.so MEXICANS have paid into the system
I am all for checking at the workplace and our company has been doing it for the
past eight years successfully. But most of you ignore a real reality that is
not easy to wish away. With 3% unemployment in Utah, where are all the people
who are unemployed because of illegal aliens taking their jobs - not many.
Basically, anyone who wants to work in Utah can find a job.The big
issue if we deported all the illegal aliens is there are vast segments of our
economy who can't find workers any where else. For example, fast food,
landscaping, residential construction, menial labor jobs. How many Americans
are linig up to go work at McDonalds when all the illegals are sent packing.We have become spoiled and some of us will have to go back to minimum
wage jobs if you guys have your way. I also venture to say that there will not
be enough bodies to go around to fill all the needs.
ILLEGAL!!!!!! I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHY. My husband has been going through the
emigration process for about five months now. He is from ENGLAND NO LESS, OUR
ALLIED COUNTRY. He has filled out at least 25 forms. He has been finger
printed. Photographed and we are now into it over $6000. This is all before he
can get a green card to work here. Would he have been better off had he come via
the mexican border?I don't know the answer to this. I am very
disappointed in the system.
Some of the comments show a lack of understanding about so many policies and
economic principles.In any case, while this is a good step you have
to consider the implications. The one comment that denotes a little German
fascism related to seeking everyone's papers.Just last week a
leading advocate of a North American integration noted that we need biometric ID
cards for everyone. Your demand for a perfect system to stop illegal aliens will
ultimately give us a National ID card. One leader within the Dept of Homeland
Defense has refered to this future National ID as an internal passport. Is that
what you really want? You are so passionate about this subject that you are
willing to create an eastern european feel to America?Really?
It's funny that the article quotes Chris Cannon. He's received campaign money
in the past from an immigration lawyer representing Agriprocessors. It makes
you wonder what his REAL position is.
Mano dura contra los ilegales. Keep it up until there's no place for them to
Too little, too late.
We know the they are stalling this illegal immigration (Illegal) might be the
election in Nov, you see, they want that vote you know what I mean. Texas, AZ,
NM, CA. They do not care for the working folks, who is affected most by illegal
immigration. Mitt said what he would do about illegal immigration and you see
where it got him. They let the best man go. 12 million illegals using our energy
up,Mexico should give free oil to us, we are helping them to get rid of their
poor. the richest man in the world is living in Mwxico. They pick on the FLDS
and do nothing about Mexican durgs,border fence etc. We are being guided by the
wrong kind of folks, amen.
Oh yeah, THAT's a GREAT idea - having the children of illegals roaming the
streets during the day. That's just moving the cost from the schools to the
police and society. We're going to pay one way or the other. Think
like someone looking for work - would YOU move to a place where you know you
can't be hired? Hell no. If you want to stop illegals from working you MUST stop
the people hiring them. No work, no illegals - simple economics. We don't have
an immigration problem, we have a security problem - it's U.S. firms that
knowingly hire illegals that perpetuate the immigration problem.
We finally going in the right direction.I'm all about checking for
legality.Thank you Homeland securety.
Don't you ever get tired of pounding on the same issue?
YOUR PAPERZ PLEEZZZ!
This is long overdue. Now let's do it in the private sector.
Anonymous is exactly right.But don't stop there.Check ID's when illegals sign up
for benefits.Thier not entitled to them.And for those of you who say we are
cold, how else do we stop the flow of them coming in?We are constantly told that
to round them all up would be almost inpossible.When we enforce the laws that
are already in place, we can be very effective in stopping illigals from coming
That good to control New Hires but what about the Millions already working who
are not legal. All employers need to verify all workers and face heavy fines and
even jail time for repeat offense plus loss of business, just like if you where
caught with drugs in your business. Only in many ways this is even worse. There
is no reason for illegals to be working in this country. It is just that we do
not have the will to control the situation. Try going to Mexico and working as
an illegal and see how long you last. For example in the 60's when there was a
Draft and lots of people where given the honor of serving their Country. All
Males over 18 had to be Registered and Carry Draft Cards. The Draft Card had
your name, address, phone number and Draft Status. Your Draft Status was
determined by the Draft Board. You did not mess with a member of the Local Draft
Boards Daughter. Deferments where not automatic if you went to School, if you
where pacifist they drafted you and you did not have to carry a Gun if you didnt
want to. You still went.
So Governor Huntsman, you can disband and dismiss your study group trying to
force illegal aliens in to the Utah economic disaster these illegals are
causing. Put americans to work, not illegal alien mexicans. It would help the
economy and the slumping tax collections from earnings and wages. It will help
the Social Security system, the Medicare system, the Medicaid system if we had
workers and employers paying the taxes into these programs that the americans
are paying into. Keep the american wage dollars in america, not the foreign
mexican banks. If Utah businessmen were forced to hire legal foreign national
workers it would benefit america and Utah. This push to force americans out of
work to employ illegals has no benefits, except to the business who are
profiting millions of dollars a year by not paying their due taxes out of
workers wages. Because a large employer can put out hundreds of dollars if not
thousands per employee to buy illegal identities on the black market should tell
you something about why Utah businessmen want to keep the illegals employed.
It's not that americans don't want the jobs as businesmen claim, it's that
illegals have a no tax benefit.
Now let's have the schools check the kids for the same info and we will be
taking a huge step in the right direction.Per pupil school funding
in Utah would increase dramatically if we only were checking the legality of the
students enrolling.Wouldn't be that hard to do either.