Obama will bring change

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  • I really hate it....
    May 24, 2008 9:15 p.m.

    when the letter writer comes to the message baord to defend themselves....weird.....Mrlalalalalalalalone

  • Edward Lalone
    May 24, 2008 7:22 p.m.

    Mark,

    Thanks. I really appreciated reading your comments. It's easy to be negative when you are called being called delusional or a traitor. I always get a few looks when I tell someone I intend to vote for Jon Huntsman, Jean Welch Hill, and Barack Obama. It is odd to them that I would be voting for a Republican and a Democrat and they always ask why.

    I always answer that question with I agree with Jon Huntsman, with Jean Welch Hill and with Obama and it's highly likely that I could have chosen to vote for their opponents because I vote based on issues and not on false labels such as "most liberal" when such labels are impossible to define. Is he liberal based social issues, on fiscal issues or on specific bills I agree with.

    Putting labels on people is bound to get me into a lot of trouble since I may be voting for someone I don't agree with if I vote based on a label and not the issues. I know of at least one Democrat running right now that I would never vote for. I wish we all could say the same.

    Edward L. Lalone

  • mark
    May 24, 2008 4:52 p.m.

    Hey, Edward L. Lalone, thanks for coming on this thread and providing your reasoned comments.
    A breath of fresh air.

  • cut'um some slack!
    May 24, 2008 4:12 p.m.

    it's hard to find even 99 votes where Obama didn't vote "present"

  • Edward Lalone
    May 24, 2008 4:06 p.m.

    If their rating is based on a mere 99 votes then it is no wonder that Obama has a high probability to be ranked the most liberal Senator based on their subjective decision of which votes to rate Senators on.

    Four years ago Senator Kerry had the honor of being the most liberal Senator but this year Barack Obama and Joe Biden, whose fairly conservative, are at the top and come out ahead of both Kerry and Bernie Sanders who is an openly gay socialist.

    This rating doesn't make any sense but of course if you take 99 votes that you handpick you can choose the Senator you want to be the most liberal. This year it's going to be the presidential candidates that the National Journal don't want to win who get this distinction. Next year Obama won't even make it to the top 3 like he didn't last year which Dick Durbin was followed by Barbara Boxer.

    Edward L. Lalone

  • Bi-Partisian
    May 24, 2008 3:30 p.m.

    Not surprised that Obama tags along on some of McCains legislation.
    McCain is and has for years been Mr BiPartisian.
    That has gotten him in trouble with GOP true believers (including myself) but if working across the aisle rocks your world then McCain is the man.

    Obama legislative record is a joke in general, and if you're trying to make the case that he reaches out it is a total gut buster.

  • Edward Lalone
    May 24, 2008 3:30 p.m.

    JMR,

    Obama has been far from vague on mainstream issues ranging from foreign to domestic policy and he has clearly stated his positions on most issues ranging from the war in Iraq to energy policy. It's not our duty to provide you with this information which is readily available.

    To claim that Obama is vague because you have not taken the time to study his positions and details provided by his campaign is fallacious. It is not our duty or the duty of the candidate to re-state his positions a hundred times when those positions are available for individuals and the media.

    The burden of who you choose to vote for is on your shoulders and not Obama's or those of us who intend to vote for him. I have taken the time to study his positions and find out the details. Now, it is your duty to do the same. If you don't want to study his positions then don't and base your vote on whatever criteria you choose but don't expect the rest of us who have studied the positions of the candidates to agree with you.

    Edward L. Lalone

  • don't doubt it
    May 24, 2008 3:25 p.m.

    "In January of this year the National Journal published its rankings of all U.S. Senators. What they found has given Barack Obama his new title: the most liberal Senator of 2007. This was a careful analysis of ninety-nine votes."

  • Edward Lalone
    May 24, 2008 3:04 p.m.

    I couldn't cite actual legislation in the letter due to length restrictions but will attempt to do so here.

    First, Obama sponsored the Obama-Coburn (R) bill that I referenced in my letter. This is a major piece of ethics and transparency legislation which has made federal spending more transparent and has been heralded by open-government groups.

    Second, Obama was a co-sponsor with Senator Lugar (R) of the Lugar-Obama Act which is a major piece of foreign policy legislation dealing dealing with the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons.

    Third, Obama working with Senator Hagel (R) was able to successfully pass legislation that requires the President to develop a comprehensive plan ensuring that all nuclear weapons and material at vulnerable sites in the world are secured by 2012.

    In addition to these he's sponsored bills that were passed into law in appropriations bills, other legislation and as part of conference reports.

    I doubt very much that Obama has the most liberal voting record in the Senate regardless of what a special interest group has said considering that he has sponsored major bi-partisan legislation and has been a co-sponsor of several bills with John McCain himself.

    Edward L. Lalone
    Democratic precinct Chairman, Orem 26

  • Edweird
    May 24, 2008 2:03 p.m.

    Thank you for your comments and insights.
    Coming from such an impeccable impartial source they carry great weight with me.

  • 1%
    May 24, 2008 1:35 p.m.

    You're setting the bar pretty low, aren't you?
    I will admit, though, that it will be a blessing for the nation if only 1% of Obama's agenda gets enacted.

  • the koolaid!
    May 24, 2008 1:34 p.m.

    Edward, spit it out!

    it's not too late to wake up!

  • Stewart
    May 24, 2008 1:00 p.m.

    I am sure Obama will bring about change, in fact much of it will happen whether he likes it or not. He is likely to bring change that causes serious damage as well as some good. No president no matter how bad has been able to destroy the country yet within four years. Jimmy Carter tried, but the voters got rid of him. Bush tricked us into a second term, and yet the country survives. I doubt he would do any more harm than Clinton or McCain. The real danger is a congress that fails to represent the people. If what Obama proposes fails the people, he will be gone in four years, along with much of the congress. Then we try again.

  • Gus Talwynd
    May 24, 2008 12:19 p.m.

    Well, the anti-Obama forces are out in full measure in this thread today. We see all manner of criticism from realistic "Obama has been extremely vague about what "change" actually entails" (9:38) to the weird "an un- necessary war is small potatos compared to his going to the wrong church" (8:35).

    Since no one here knows Barack Obama personally, I assume their knowledge is based upon watching speeches and debates on television, reading stories in the newspapers, and, most likely, listening to talking heads on TV and the radio. All of this viewed through a very partisan political perspective.

    It is assumed that some will be against Obama (and Clinton, for that matter) just because they are Democrats, much as others will oppose McCain because he is a Republican. The reasons given to justify these positions are convenient to support that person's prejudices without having to examine each issue. Broad strokes of invective like liberal, socialist, inexperienced, and wolf in sheep's clothing are hurled without specifics.

    It is good to know the thoughts and abilities of a candidate so we don't make the same mistake that was made in 2000. Talk about "inexperienced" and "wolf in sheep's clothing"!

  • Charles
    May 24, 2008 11:20 a.m.

    Ed, you are the perfect delusional Democrat.

    Obama is the MOST LIBERAL senator in Congress.
    Obama wants to repeal DOMA.
    Obama wants to repeal Don't Ask don't Tell
    Obama wants to legalize marriage for all LGBT's
    Obama is against abortion, even partial-birth abortion.
    Obama is against giving a baby life-supporting assistance when the abortion when wrong.
    Obama wants to raise taxes.
    Obama wants to solidify income redistribution.

    Name 1 piece of legislation that was bi-partisan. Name 1 issue that Obama will move to the right.

    Can't do it friends...

    Oh yes, Obama is the empty suit who will bring about change alright. Can you say, communism here we come?

  • lamonte
    May 24, 2008 11:05 a.m.

    Late last winter when Obama cancelled a scheduled campaign trip to Utah in deference to President Hinkley's funeral this page was filled with accolades and praise for his thoughtful actions. The vast majority of commenters assumed that Mitt Romney would be the ultimate GOP nominee and so they freely praised Obama while they had nothing but disdain for McCain. Now that Obama looks like the eventual nominee and McCain has won the GOP nomination, the tides have turned. The thought that they might have to actually stand by their words and support a Democrat is just too much to take in. Then consider that the Democrat is of a mixed race and the thought becomes even more distasteful. The bigots in West Virginina who couldn't stomach voting for Obama because he was black (partially) at least had the courage to admit it. Why don't you folks step up to the plate and admit it yourself.

  • Joe Moe
    May 24, 2008 11:01 a.m.

    I love the concept of transparency the letter writer talks about. But like 4:54 and 4:58 said, McCain is the one with the record on his side, not Obama.

    I want the 2000 McCain for president, not so much the 2008 version. But I think it's clear that while McCain has had to change his talking points since 2000 in order to get to where he is today in the GOP, his long record indicates that he could be a visionary leader for this country.

    Most people see a straight line in today's politics, leading from left to right, and everyone lines up on the line somewhere. I hope there's a triangle possible, and McCain is just the type that can be that executive point off-setting the linear Congress to create a better government.

    He's shown that he can and will work from the outside. He's working right now from the inside because he has to in order to get elected.

    I'd like to see what a Pres. McCain can do.

  • no legislation
    May 24, 2008 10:46 a.m.

    Please, Mr. Lalone, cite one piece of major legislation with Obama's name on it as the sponsor. There aren't any. And with the most liberal rated voting record in the Senate, the bipartisanship argument does not hold water.

    Someone once said that America is the greatest country the world has ever known. Help me change it! That someone was Barak Obama.

  • BRING change?
    May 24, 2008 9:39 a.m.

    Change is all that Obama would LEAVE us, after all of the new programs and taxes that would be imposed.

  • JMR
    May 24, 2008 9:38 a.m.

    Mr. Chairman-
    While the change in transparency you're describing is a step in the right direction, and interests politically-oriented people such as yourself (and myself, for that matter), I don't think it's the change most people envision when Sen. Obama speaks. (I have yet to see supporters at his rallies jumping up and down, shouting, "Wahoo! No more free meals for politicians!")

    And before we crown Obama as the scourge of special interest groups, let's remember that his proposed policy would force members of labor unions to declare to tell their union how they voted. I don't think that's a kind of transparency that anybody (save labor unions) would be crazy about.

    On broader, more mainstream issues, Obama has been extremely vague about what "change" actually entails, and stutters and backpedals when questioned about it in debates. This is the beef that most Obama naysayers have with him.

    There is certainly a need for change in Washington, but until Obama can come up with something rock-solid and viable, people shouldn't give him any more creedance than they do to any other candidate.

  • honesty
    May 24, 2008 8:55 a.m.

    is always the best poicy. except in the political realm.
    it is transparent that some major funny business has gone on in Obama Huseins political and personal life. I love that real estate deal for his house!
    put your blinders on and keep repeating: change, yes we can.

  • Small Patatos
    May 24, 2008 8:35 a.m.

    Obama will bring good change? Nonsense .. his going to an cantankerous preacher is much more important of an issue than his willingness to pull us out of Iraq sooner than 100 years from now like McCain.

    The fact that our boys (and girls) are dying un-necessarily and national treasury is being depleted on an un- necessary war is small potatos compared to his going to the wrong church.

  • well said
    May 24, 2008 8:24 a.m.

    Right on, Edward!
    Right on!

  • Anonymous
    May 24, 2008 7:41 a.m.

    Obama is all talk and no action too vague. If he gets his way when elected will bring back socialist programs we fought for over a half a century to get rid of.

  • EdM
    May 24, 2008 7:18 a.m.

    Barack Obama is a wolf in sheep's clothing. He is only in this for himself. I am no great fan of John McCain but I will say this about the man: He has never wavered in his fundamental beliefs about the nature of government and foreign policy. At least you know what you will be getting. And, I am a registered Democrat.

  • Zac
    May 24, 2008 6:27 a.m.

    I like how everyone thinks bipartisanship is so great. However, it is only "bipartisan" when the R's move to the D's. If a D moves to an R, then the other D's disown them. I know, I know, talking points right. Please, then, explain Joe Lieberman, and why the D's threw him under the bus.

  • Transparency
    May 24, 2008 4:58 a.m.

    What is transparent is Obama's lack of legislative accomplishment in Illinois or the US Senate. Voting "present" is seldom the path of leaders.
    Talking a good show has gotten Obama far among Democrats, for sure. It will get him to the nomination in Denver.
    American voters, however, are a little more discerning.
    Obama's talkathon will come up a little short of the White House.

  • where have you been, Ed?
    May 24, 2008 4:54 a.m.

    >>"working in a bi-partisan manner and passing major ethics and transparency legislation IS change"

    Yeah, and that is exactly what McCAIN has been doing for 20 years!

    You didn't think this one out, Edward.

    Obama talks a good show.
    Obama has done SQUAT.
    McCain is famous for just the sort of aisle crossing bipartisan legislation Obama wishes he had thought of.
    Obama is famous for voting "present".

    Thanks for pointing out a HUGE ADVANTAGE action McCain has over talking Obama.

    Come November voters will be sending your boy back to the showers, hope he enjoys his brief stint in the majors!