Utah Jazz: A step forward? There's still lots of room for improvement

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  • JLA
    May 30, 2008 12:59 a.m.

    The last no-call shouldn't have even happened. Fisher's shot prior grazed the rim. The Lakers should've had a fresh clock & possession. The Spurs didn't complain about the Fisher foul because even they knew that. It's a wonder, the idiocy that prevails with talk of conspiracy theories.

  • Conspiricy
    May 29, 2008 3:41 p.m.

    Hey you conspiricy doubters. what do you think about the nba admitting to the no calls, for example the recent spurs game. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. Even the NBA admits to things that favor the lakers. IT is all rigged and the NBA wants a Lakers-Celtics final. The game has gone down hill and is not fun to watch. The spurs were getting to be an old story line so the NBA wanted to get some fresh "retro" story lines going.
    Conspiricy out

  • Lakeshow
    May 27, 2008 4:32 p.m.

    Keep crying Jazz fans. Consipiracy Theories... Stop embarrassing yourselves! It is a good thing for you that no one outside Utah cares about the Jazz anymore or listens to your nonsense. It is always some excuse as to why the Jazz have never won a single title. Jordan pushed-off, the refs are paid-off...Whine, Whine, Whine.

    The fact that San Antonio is the smallest media market, but has won four titles since 1999 blows your moronic consipiracy theories out-of-the-water.

    Get used to being runner-up at prom. The Lakers will continue to dominate with Ariza and Bynum back in the line-up next year.

    Put-up all the little divison title banners you want in the Nuclear Waste Dump. No one remembers them. Lakers have 14 (and counting). Jazz zero.

    Maybe Derron will figure this out get out of Utah.

    May 26, 2008 12:21 p.m.

    First concern is Thinking ability of old verses new...Hornacek would be a good change because he is able to think fast. New--believes in the 3pt. shot, Knows Defense, Good controlling how players shoot. Assistants would uphold his discisions. Second Trade Boozer for taller inside player or like Okur who can play both outside/ inside and with the big boys. Third we seem to have some dead weight players need to trade or drop due to new players coming on board. Collins, Hart, and harpring who can't defend or shoot. Hibbier sounds great 7'2 able to muster 12+ pts. per game and good rebounder. Overall rating C+ without changes/with changes A-. Sloan can not win the big one plus he has definitely slowed down in his 20+ years --Hornacek would do the Job. Now body could be so good that he is worst of playoff and last half season shooting us out of the game so much. He doesnt fit our needs any longer (Boozer) I remember when we were going to draft him and then didnt but then picked him up later on. But he cant play and jam the center up like Karl did. Good bye Sloan and Boozer.....

  • jj
    May 24, 2008 3:13 p.m.

    get someone who can block shots like mutombo or branes

  • Moto X
    May 24, 2008 10:32 a.m.

    I am sorry but the ignorance of some of you fans is ridiculous!!!!

    Coaching lost the series??? Please be serious.

    AK and Brewer could not hit OPEN jumpshots to cause their men to defend them on the perimeter. This resulted in Boozer double and triple teams. That lost the series, not coaching. Even with that disadvantage, EVERY GAME in LA was within reach.

    The Spurs have already blown a 20 point lead AND been blown out by 30 points, IN LA!!! This in just the first 2 games of the series!!!

    Not a young team??? We are chronologically young and experience-wise young. It is a statistical fact. We are one of the youngest teams in the NBA and we were the youngest remaining in the playoffs when eliminated. Brewer??--his first year on the floor. Williams?-just his third. Youth is magnified in NBA.

    How to build a franchise? 2-words--Duncan and Kobe. That always helps a bit.

    All you fans who whine and complain about everything ought to examine the facts. It may turn out the JAZZ were the most competitive series the Lakers will have on their way to the ring this year. Watch.

  • the Dog I
    May 24, 2008 2:15 a.m.

    Look Sloan missed two championships against Jackson coach of Chicago, then this year lost again against JACKSON. SLOAN is old school, "who needs three pointer" etc. Sloan had a better team this year than the Malone-Stockton years. And Boozer is definitely no Malone as he seems to think he is. Boozer shot us out of post season, couldnt hit fouls, stripped of the ball, fouled out, and could not shoot over the big boys of LA and Houston. He had a bad second half season after allstar break. Hornacek should without a doubt replace the slow thinking Sloan. His game woould be up tempo, with 3pt shots and he very well knows what defenses work and what doesn't. I even believe he could make adjustments during needed times of quarters, and not after we are 15 points down. Some players need to leave Collins, Hart, Harpring, Boozer could help anchor a good trade with at least two or all three of those players to travel with him. 4 for 2 or 3 for 2 even 2 for 2 would be an uplift. Seems like a big change but that is what turned around other teams -- releasing dead weight.

  • Lakeshow
    May 23, 2008 11:47 a.m.

    Jazz Fans: I suggest you lower your expectations for the next couple of years. Kobe, Pau, Lamar and Andrew will own you.

    Get used to it now so you do not embarrass yourselves with whining about refs and conspiracy theories. The rest of the NBA fans do not take you seriously when you speak concerning David Stern conspiracy theories.

  • jj
    May 22, 2008 3:47 p.m.

    keep every body but collins and hart for mikki moore

  • To Conspiricy
    May 22, 2008 12:06 a.m.

    have u watched the game you blind jazz fan?it was clearly a flop by okur,refs are not that stupid not to see it,watch the replay.Whatever u say jazz fans,the jazz team is no close to being a championship team and that's it.

  • Anonymous
    May 21, 2008 6:59 p.m.

    get rid of boozer, trade for "pf"maybe elton brand some one good. do what we have to to get a good "pf" and have millsap back them up. also get rid of sloan he has proven time in and out he gets outcoached. its the 20th century and he still doesnt like three point shots and doesnt have a play call for one. his foul first mentallity has got to go the jazz would have advanced alot further and possibly one a championship if people like kobe are not shooting 25 to 30 foul shot by themselves in a critical game there is no excuse for that type of play. let phil have his long awaited shot at coaching the jazz. he has been totaly loyal as jerrys assistant for 20 years, before we loose him, he is a better coach than sloan mark my words. even sloan has been caught slipping sayin that. phil when he was a head coach in aba took his team and one the championship.i promise he wont do stupid things like put cj miles who has very little playing time this year in a do-or-die game 6 in to play to send a message

  • conspiricy
    May 21, 2008 6:44 p.m.

    Lakers-Jazz series was rigged. you can totally tell by the calls that were called against the jazz. Come on Pau pushing Okur and then putting it back, at the end of the game and no call.

    The proof is the fact that one of the NBA refs has been caught for betting on games. And yes there is more money to the NBA if there is a Lakers-Celtics final as apposed to a Jazz-Pistons Final. The refs were briefed before the games to make sure the lakers got benificial calls, gauranteed!! So the Jazz are the better team because they were playing the REfs and a good lakers team. Have you ever played 5 on 8. its just tough.

  • adam d
    May 21, 2008 3:39 p.m.

    I love our team as is, but to improve either Booze or Okur has to go. They are both slow. Having two slow defenders on the court at the same time is a liability.

    Okur is too versatile to trade, he is like a slower version of Nowitski. While I love Boozer also, I think he should be traded for a different 20-10 guy but the question is who?

    Perhaps Okur could be moved to PF (like Dirk). He and williams take on the responsibility of leading scorers. I think Fesenko/collins could provide 10-15 pts 10 reb in a combined effort and this way we plug a huge defensive hole in the middle.

    The one think I know with certainty is that if either Okur or Booze is not moved, the results in next years playoffs will be the same. A great regular season team, but when it comes time for playoffs, match ups will be exploited and the jazz are going home early.

  • faraway fan
    May 21, 2008 2:00 p.m.

    P.S. I ran out of words...of course the Jazz need to keep Milsap...he could cover any of the front 3 positions.

  • faraway fan
    May 21, 2008 1:46 p.m.

    I'm a bit confused here...I see tons of posts advocating getting rid of Boozer because his stats were low in the playoffs and ultimately Utah lost to the Lakers. Let's play a little game and replace three words here...get rid of Lebron because his stats were low in the playoffs and ultimately Cleveland lost to the Celtics...can we see how ridiculous that sounds? Can we accept that possibly the Lakers were the better team at this time in that series? Boozer didn't face Gasol in last year's playoffs, and in the Houston series, to be honest, Scola and Mutumbo are much more disruptive defensively than Yao was. Boozer brings a lot to the team and I think it is incumbent on the organization to address other issues, again, Okur is not a true center, let him play forward and get a tree to slow other teams in the paint. I would love to see Williams, Brewer, Boozer, Okur, and a real center, with Kirilenko, Price, Korver, Miles and Almond waiting to come in (using Okur or even Kirilenko at center) when Utah goes small! The league needs someone to break convention and usher in something new!

  • Joe
    May 21, 2008 11:50 a.m.

    The Jazz should trade Boozer (and maybe a role player or two) to Miami if Chicago drafts Rose and Miami has the right to draft Beasley. Though the Jazz may suffer for the first half of the season as Beasley adjusts to the Jazz system and players, they will still end up with a high seed in the playoffs and their interior D (Odom wouldn't blow by Beasley like he did Boozer everytime he drove the ball), athleticism (have you seen videos of this kid dunking--a future Slam Dunk Contest winner), scoring (all the way out to the 3-point line), and rebounding (he averaged 4+ offensive boards a game in college) would improve drastically with the addition of Beasley. The Heat get a proven All-Star to team with D-Wade, the Jazz get a young, unproven talent that will team with D-Will for years to come. Beasley + Williams = Championships, Boozer + Williams = Close, but no cigar.

  • faraway fan
    May 21, 2008 9:33 a.m.

    to "To Jazz Fans"
    I'm not sure what to make of your post...on the one hand you seem to be a Laker fan but then you basically say the Jazz (who your beloved Lakers barely got past on several occasions) stunk. So what does that say about the Lakers?

  • To jazz fans
    May 20, 2008 6:40 p.m.

    whether you like it or not,the jazz stunk,lucky enough to get to the conf finals last year.Lucky enough to win games 3&4.Officials took into consideration that they were in the conf finals last year and that they are division champs,that's why they were getting onesided calls in games 3&4 in their homecourt,but their luck has ended.There is no way they could pass by the lakers.

  • faraway fan
    May 20, 2008 3:50 p.m.

    Korver Lover@ Sounds like we are arguing different sides of the same point of view...I admit Boozer disappeared...but only compared to his usual self...there are a lot of teams out there that would be ecstatic to get a guy who could give them his playoff numbers. We are spoiled and want it all and I'm ok with that but clearly the losses were team losses...even Deron (who I think will eventually become the best pg in the league) had a couple of ugly outings...yeah he had more points but he is a superstar...and he was usually on the other side of the oversized vs undersized mismatch. I agree everyone should do their homework this summer but I can't possibly see the point in everyone putting the losses on Boozer. I think it speaks volumes about his character though, that he accepts the blame rather than taking McGrady's way out! I think the best move would be to get a solid big defender, move Okur back to power forward where he belongs and let Carlos tear the league a new one from the small forward position. Kirilenko can back either of them up and Collins can sell shoes somewhere.

  • Anonymous
    May 20, 2008 3:42 p.m.

    Sloan Hater is such an egotist. I say if he has nothing better than to write about how much he hates Sloan then he/she needs to root for another team than torture him/herself.

    By the way, Hornets lost-and I LOVE IT!

  • Korver Lover
    May 20, 2008 1:55 p.m.

    Hey faraway fan, Carlos is one of the reasons we got beat by the Lakers. If he were to make his shots, we would have swept them away. I'm not just blaming Boozer. It's not just his fault. Most of the Jazz players missed shots but that's the past, the need to think of the future in 08-09.
    I am a huge Jazz fan but I would be an even bigger one if they would make their shots.
    Like I said before, the Jazz did great in my point of view. They went 2-5 with the Lakers which I thought they could never do. It's not the Jazz's fault the Lakers are Fakers.
    Again theses Jazz players are better than any of you will ever be so give them a break. Speaking of break, they will have a long one which could be a good and bad thing. They need to work on their shots BIG TIME. They just have to remember to have a good time and that's how they win.

  • faraway fan
    May 20, 2008 11:26 a.m.

    Wow!...lots of negativity here... On this board we hear how L.A. is the best team ever and yet the Jazz get no respect for pushing them as hard as anyone has since the Gasol trade. We hear prognostications of how strong L.A. will be with Bynum back...but it is all guess work...remember Shaq, Malone, Kobe, Payton were all going to cakewalk through the league...Gasol's numbers will surely suffer if Bynum comes back strong or vice versa. Don't get me wrong, the Lakers are good, but the what ifs there are no better than anywhere else. Boozer may have had a bad post season, but he is a big part of the reason Deron had a post season at all...so thanks Carlos! To all those who can't stand Sloan, in those 20 years when Utah hasn't won it all with Sloan, how many rings did the coaching carousel teams take home? (Dallas, Phoenix, Philadelphia, Indiana, Cleveland, Denver,...notably the team that changed coaches like they changed socks the last 20..Clippers) One thing that has always bothered me though...Jordan, Lebron, and yes, even Kobe (who I don't like) have the skills to succeed on their own...so why the preferential treatment?

  • Anonymous
    May 20, 2008 11:02 a.m.

    It's my time to defend Sloan. He at least got them to the playoffs, he has taught them well and he has gotten better with his potty mouth!!!

  • Korver Lover
    May 20, 2008 10:58 a.m.

    OK first of all the Jazz did great in my point of view. They went 2-5 with the Lakers which I thought they could never do. It's not the Jazz's fault the Lakers are Fakers
    Second of all these Jazz players are better than any of you will ever be to give them a break. Speaking of break, they will have a long one which could be a good and bad thing. They need to work on their shots BIG TIME. Especially Boozer.

  • Re: Dear conspiracy theorists
    May 20, 2008 12:06 a.m.

    That was by far the best comment of the season. Love the Boozer conspiracy dig - imagine Jazz playing 4 vs. 9 out there on the court every time! They obviously had no chance.

  • to: conspiracy, please
    May 19, 2008 11:25 p.m.

    Bottomline the jazz lost. We dont live with "IF's".If the lakers played the way they use to in games 3 & 4 then it would have been a sweep.But it wasnt.At the end the better team emerges with the victory.Winning is giving your best and that certainly aint the jazz.jazz team will always be the jazz team unless they make significant changes.Right now their not a championship team like they believe they are.

  • to conspiracy please
    May 19, 2008 11:17 p.m.

    Bottomline the jazz lost,we dont live with "IF's",if the lakers played the way they use to in games 3 & 4, it would have been a sweep,do you understand that?Winning is giving your best and that certainly didnt look like the jazz.Jazz will always be the jazz unless they make changes.They are not a championship team

  • die hard
    May 19, 2008 7:41 p.m.

    ya its me again. I keep reading the comments about Sloan, HE HAS DONE MORE WITH FAR LESS TALENT THAN ANY OTHER COACH IN THE LEAGUE! Phil has only won when he has the best player (MIKE, KOBE)in the league. And some pretty good supporting cast. Jerry had Stockton and now Williams. He does more with less than any, I MEAN ANY coach in the league. I heard MILLER say on the sports last night that Malone was the best power foward to ever play the game, NOT. Are you kidding me? He must have been sending a chalenge to Boozer. Malone was never the go to guy at the end of a game that was close. What in 20 something years he hit maybe the winning shot in 12 games. Larry must have a short memory. Karl was a big big big pain in the butt!
    If i would have had to hear him whin or say he wanted to be traded or think he needed to be paid more, one more time i would have quit bein a Jazz fan. COME ON LARRY ADMIT IT, YOU ARE GLAD TO BE RIDD OF THAT WHINNER!

  • to: conspiracy, please
    May 19, 2008 7:11 p.m.

    Yea, Harpring fouled kobe occasionally, but kobe's leg flying out and kicking Harpring in the thigh/ groin should not have been a foul on Matt- that's an obvious offensive foul (much like kobe's flailing elbows).

    Matt was saying that he feels that they're a better team, but didn't perform like it in this series. He didn't play all that well this series, and Boozer was awful and the Jazz still took them to a hard-fought 6 games. There's nothing wrong with Matt feeling like the Jazz are the better team in his mind- they just didn't finish things off this time. They'll be back though. The Jazz played horrible and were still in the series with the Lakers playing well. If the Jazz played the way they did all season and performed at the level they should have this would have been a different series.

    The lakers pulled this one out, congrats. We'll be back, however. In the meantime- go SPURS go!

  • die hard
    May 19, 2008 7:09 p.m.

    Its just like the assistant for the lakers said, when asked how he would guard the lakers, Well to start you would need two Kirlenkos! To all of you who have a basketball IQ of below 50, And think AK should be traded. NOT. If you knew basketball you would know he is possibly the most valuable player on the jazz However Williams is proving himself to be quite the stud! You cant have a championship team without guys like AK and Williams. If we can find a defensive player for the middle we can be great, or if boozer works hard and can develop a better defensive game we can be pretty good. Okur definately showed he has some toughness in there and it would help if he was a little better on D.
    Bottom line Defense wins championships and he is far and away our best defensive guy!

  • "We have the makeup of a helluva
    May 19, 2008 6:42 p.m.

    That sounds like Boozer is trying to convince himself. I don't think he really believes what he said. At least there is very little urgency in his statement.

    Just a thought: Where was Boozer when the Jazz made their 4th quarter comeback???

    For the Jazz to make it to the finals, they will have to do it without Boozer. He hasn't a clue why he played well in one game and did so poorly in all the others. Try "Effort and Intensity" on offense and defense.

  • Conspiracy? Please!
    May 19, 2008 5:42 p.m.

    During game 6 of the Lakers Vs Jazz series, Mike Tirico said that Jazz fans are probably blaming the refs but it has NOTHING to do with the refs and it has more to do with the Lakers outplaying the Jazz!! The Lakers were up by 19 at that time and both teams had 15 fouls called against them!!

    So to some paranoid Jazz fans I say, stop blaming the refs and start blaming your players!! Carlos Boozer stunk it up!! Matt Harpring stunk it up!! Other players would tend to disappear at times!!

    As for Kobe getting calls, what do you expect? He kept beating his man to the basket and kept driving and getting fouled!! Did you honestly think Harpring didn't really foul him all those times when the replays are as clear as can be?!

    Wise up and stop blaming people who are not responsible for your losses!!

  • Matt Harpring is RIDICULOUS!!
    May 19, 2008 5:31 p.m.

    Matt Harpring said that from the bottom of his heart he thinks the Jazz are a better team than the Lakers? Is he being serious? If the Jazz were a better team than the Lakers then the Jazz would have won the series!!! Who cares what anyone thinks!! The outcome of the series proves who the better team is!!

    Then he says that if they would have won a certain game in LA then the series would have been different!! Well duh!! If the Lakers would have won four in a row it would have been a sweep!! BUT THAT IS NOT REALITY!! Reality is that the Lakers beat the Jazz in 6 games and are the better team!!

    If I grew a trunk I would probably be an elephant but living in a world of "if" doesn't cut it. Harpring needs to stick to reality!!!

  • Old Port
    May 19, 2008 2:30 p.m.

    Building a championship team takes time. Does one think Jordan simply won in the playoffs from the outset...the Bulls chiped and chiped away for years until Detroit and Cleveland fell. Same with the Lakers of Kobe and Shaq (remember knocking them out of the playoffs two years in a row). With Fesenko and Almond possibly playing in regular rotation, the Jazz will just get better and more mentally tough. The Jazz need an enforcer, Big Dog/Mike Brown/Rodman type of guy to do the dirty work, rough people up, throw them off their game.

  • wayne
    May 19, 2008 1:21 p.m.

    looking at the Jazz the jazz had some growth. AK47 had one of his better years. Ronny Brewer grew up a lot going from bust to jernyman. Milsap's improved especially his outside game and defense has been impressive. Memo's gaining of some toughtness and some inside game. corver is a vast improvement. was a good trade. The addtion of Ronny Price showed that he belongs as a backup change of pace Point guard All these things are the positives outcomes of this season. So why with so much improvement in the overall team howcome the Jazz failed to reach nor play for a championship. The reason that the Jazz lost to the Lakers was the deal that Larry Miller made. The one where one of the three or four NBA guard who can match up well with Williams at the point Derick Fisher. shall we talk clutch shooting. can you say golden state up 2-0 in our building without him? what about the daggers he kept throughing on both offense and defense during this searies. That one move was one of the worst moves since tradeing Dominic Williams for cash. I blame Larry for the searies loss.

  • Why the Jazz Lost
    May 19, 2008 11:00 a.m.

    The Jazz lost because they weren't good enough. Plain and simple. Mediocre teams don't win championships, no matter how much their ignorant fans want that to happen.

  • RE: Trade Harpring
    May 19, 2008 9:35 a.m.

    I agree, trade Harpring. He played fairly well the last two games but he was terrible in the first 4. His bad passing, flopping, and poor defense dosen't make up for the 2-3 baskets he makes a game. Usually when he on the floor whinning it's his guy making the 3 pointer on the other end. And get an effective back up center. Collins certainly isn't it.

  • The Way Things Are
    May 19, 2008 9:23 a.m.

    The Jazz are a playoff team but not a championship team. It's not in the league's best interest to have the Jazz win it all. It makes no business sense.

  • 54th comment
    May 19, 2008 9:07 a.m.

    I know that only true Jazz fans will read down to the 54th posting, so I know they will agree with me. The fact is that this current coaching staff and Jazz roster has made Jazz fans excited again. They have come strides from a team that finished around .500 just a few years ago, and they're new stars have made this team more exciting than the Stockton to Malone era. We owe this team some thanks.

    With that said, they need some serious help in th middle. Our demise this series wasn't Kobe -- it was Odem and Gasol. As much as we love the Booz, he just could stand up or hang with those wirey, athletic towers down low. The jazz almost had the best offensive rating for a team in NBA history this year (take out December and they would have). They need to make some major moves to get a tough man on D. I'd like to see what Fez could do.

    Excited for next year. Go Jazz!

  • Richard
    May 19, 2008 8:32 a.m.

    All I can say is...Thank you to all the Utah Jazz players coaches and mangement and owners. I have had so many hours of enjoyment watching the Jazz. They are my team regardless of the outcome on the court. That they have done very well is just a bonus. Where can you watch a pro team in any sport that has such good role models for our community and just basically good people? The players and coaches want more wins and so do I...but the critical factor here is the quality of these individuals...not the selfish, egocentric athletes that occupy so much space in the papers. Thanks again UTAH JAZZ...can't wait til the fall!

  • BJ Jazzy Rasta's Take
    May 19, 2008 8:26 a.m.

    #1 - Think how it would energize this team, franchise, and city...if they were to bring in a coach with fire who has a different mind-set about winning a championship, or bust! I like Sloan, and he is a proven good coach, but he DOES get out-coached, time and time again when it matters the very most. After many years of a similar script, I'm left to seriously wonder if Sloan has the ability to help motivate his team when in the biggest of the big...

    #2 - Interior Defense. One of two things MUST happen for us to have a better defensive team next year. We must either do whatever it takes to accelerate Big Fesenko's learning curve and get him ready to bang down low...or we must figure out a way to get a defensive 7-footer to clog the paint.

    #3 - The Jazz need two players to next year to be all-stars. I expect those players to be... Daren Williams and AK47. Boozer and Memo need to accept roles as great players who compliment our two most talented players. Boozer's defensive deficiencies will always be the difference between good and great for him.

  • phil
    May 19, 2008 1:42 a.m.

    The only problem is that the Lakers will get even better and stronger next season with Bynum in the line-up and very healthy. Whew! How can any team defend a ver-sound twin towers. :-]

  • rvalens2
    May 19, 2008 12:46 a.m.

    RE: Rich

    I agree with you. Boozer needs some lessons in defense. My recommendation: Bring in Rick Majerus and have him work with Boozer and Memo. Few people understand defense like Majerus. I remember watching Majerus effectively defend a 7 foot center with a guy who was only 6 foot 5.

    Another option would be for them to spend some time with Karl Malone. Karl sometimes faded on offense but he almost always gave the other team's bigs fits when he defended them. He also had a knack for being able to slap the ball away without fouling.

  • Ryp
    May 19, 2008 12:22 a.m.

    How sad that we go dissing on the team that gave us such a great season. Clearly we need to improve somewhere. I like Deron Williams's idea, OUR PLAYERS need to improve, they don't need to be changed. If we keep this same "nucleus" another year, and that same nucleus gets better, faster, and stronger, then that should put us over the hump! Other teams will need to make blockbuster deals over the summer to improve (e.g San Antonio, Detroit, Cleveland, N.O.) but the Jazz have all that we need. Sure we could try for Shaq if we wanted someone to dominate inside, but you know you'd miss Mehmot's clutch shot? AK: I was the first to say he's washed up, but he proved me wrong in game 6- Keep him! We can't trade Harpring! It was his tenacity that surged the comeback! The only player I would think of trading is Booz, even though it hurts to say that. He's a great player, but I've been depending on Malone for too many years now!!! We need someone who doesn't choke when its all on the line. Horry? ha no but Andre Iguodala from Phili would be nice, Bonzi Wells???

  • Sloan Hater
    May 19, 2008 12:02 a.m.

    Children, take your seats. The teacher is back!

    Can someone explain to me how this year was a step forward? Didn't the Jazz make the WCF last year??

    Weren't the Jazz more talented and deeper this year than last??

    So how is this a step forward and not two steps backwards?

    I say two steps backwards, especially now the Phil is leaving for Phoenix.

    Fire/Retire Sloan

  • Props to D-Will
    May 18, 2008 10:05 p.m.

    While so many Jazz "fans" are complaining about this and that, I just have to say how great it is to have one of the truly great young players in the game. Deron showed that he can be a dominating presence when he asserts himself offensively. True Boozer was a disappointment, the bench inconsistent at times, and AK streaky as ever, but what Jazz fans are missing is D-Will's constantly improving play will make the Jazz a contender for years. Assuming of course that we can resign him.

  • Rich
    May 18, 2008 9:06 p.m.

    I'm very optimistic about the Jazz next season. Utah has two chief deficiencies, and both can be corrected:

    1) Boozer and to a lesser extend Memo sometimes seem lost on defense. They often hesitate in helping out a teammate or rotating to help the helper. They're definitely getting better, particularly Boozer in the last four weeks of the regular season. He needs to go over every game tape with a good coach who knows team defense and learn to be confident in what he is doing on defense.

    2) A lot of the Jazz players try to do too much one-on-one toward the end of games or when they're trying to overcome a 15-point deficit. They are young (the fourth youngest team in the NBA -- not an excuse, just a fact), and they got better as the season progressed, but even in the final series against the Lakers, this was a big problem. You cannot win games one-on-one unless you're one of the top 15 or 20 players of all time. And even then you must rely on teammates to hit open jumpers and play good team D. Stick with the plan, and you Jazz guys will win.

  • Booze
    May 18, 2008 8:35 p.m.

    I blame Boozer for his lack of offensive production and always weak defense. It's just too bad becuase this team is good but they blew it.

  • Be a sport
    May 18, 2008 7:36 p.m.

    I agree with (walk the talk), Harpring you should know better than what you said,how come you did not advance if you got the better team?Be a professional sportsperson,take it as a man,obviously the lakers are the better team.And thats a fact.

  • walk_the_talk
    May 18, 2008 7:20 p.m.

    hey harpring,what made u think u were better than the lakers?Ur team lost and thats about it.u don t say things u cant handle.Ur team is not even close to what the lakers can do so shut up and accept the fact that u lost to a better team.Matbe they should trade u, u cant play D.All u do is push and shove and whine about the refs gatting calls on u.

  • Conspiracy crack pots
    May 18, 2008 7:19 p.m.

    Please there have got to be better conspiracies out there than the NBA Laker/Celtic gig. How bout the the NFL wanting the Manning brothers to both win Super Bowl's so they rigged the playoffs and the Super Bowl. Or how bout Elvis faking his death and is alive and well living in Vegas. Or would you rather have someting local like the reason Utah football lost to BYU is Kyle Whittingham Utah's head coach is an ex Cougar and it's all a plot. or have you already thought of those.

  • shooting guard
    May 18, 2008 6:48 p.m.

    I think the Jazz need to get an athletic guard that can take the ball to the hole and play good defense. Sloan's big complaint is when the team settles for jump shots, but when it comes to the draft last year they picked up a guard whose strongest suit was his jump shot and didn't have the quickness to take it to the hole, or play defense.

    I agree with Sloan that we don't want to settle for jump shots, but they won't pick a guy who can take it off the dribble.

  • goodbye
    May 18, 2008 5:14 p.m.

    goodbye and thanks to harpring-tough guy but no meaningful production.....no thanks and good riddance to collins-towel waving, no-NBA-talent, wasting space on utah bench....hart thanks for trying-you were put in a difficult spot

    ps. although not the star we though he'd be, ak has contributed in ways not many others can....korver keep for those few minutes when he can shoot and not have to guard anyone

  • Dear conspiracy theorists
    May 18, 2008 5:09 p.m.

    Please shut up! You sound like fools. IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE, not to mention the risk of exposure would far outweigh any temporary monetary benefit. Its not logical, it's not debatable, there isn't and never has been a shred of evidence.

    When desired outcomes aren't achieved, weak-minded people blame powers beyond their control.

    If there was a conspiracy in this series, Boozer must have been in on it.

  • Re:Re; Conspiracy Theorist
    May 18, 2008 5:05 p.m.

    You better pray Boston beats Cleveland or your going to have to create a whole new conapiracy theory. By the way if it's such a conspiracy why has it been so long since the Lakers and the Celtics have ever played for a championship. YOU LOST TO A BETTER TEAM LIVE WITH IT.

  • Jazz lost
    May 18, 2008 5:04 p.m.

    and I love it!

  • Re: rob smith
    May 18, 2008 4:39 p.m.

    The Jazz didn't nearly pull out a victory. Did you watch the game? They had a chance to tie the game on two buzzer-beater trey balls for a chance to play in overtime. The Lakers were quicker, smarter and outplayed the Jazz for most of the series. D-Will is one of the best point guards in the league and he consistently brings it. Boozer is an all-star but not in this series. He only had one good game where he had 27 points and 20 boards. He was terrific that night and the Jazz still barely won. Booz was nonexistent during the rest of the series. LA was the better team and should win it all. Utah is improving but we need another Mark Eaton down low to help block shots in the paint. We also need Fisher back from LA to play tough as nails defense around the perimeter. Great season Jazz.

  • re: NBA Conspiracy Theorist
    May 18, 2008 4:34 p.m.

    one problem, have you seen what lebron has got away with in that series alone. murder thats what.

  • Jazz Forever Without
    May 18, 2008 4:05 p.m.

    Show me the title? One Team one City ? come on now - with the owner loving the coach - the coach loving solid d - and players loving, well whatever they love- the Jazz will never face the music. I've followed the Jazz from Jr Jazz to not being able to see the end of the shot from Jordon. From yelling to the screen to the Mail Man to look out for the steal from the base - to the Shot in front of the round mound. I've come to one fact- the seasons come and go - and never with the title of the Best. Utill we start at the very top, will the Jazz ever have a real chance.

  • re: NBA Conspiracy Theorist
    May 18, 2008 4:06 p.m.

    I totally agree. Watch the tape Jazz vs. Lakers in 87 or 88. Same thing. It is frustrating but it is all about the money and the Lakers vs. Celtics will make the NBA the most money. Do you think Cleveland vs. Spurs last year made any money?

  • rob smith
    May 18, 2008 4:06 p.m.

    how can anyone hate jerry, the jazz were down 19 and jerry almost pulled out a victory. d-wiil and sloan are the best time managers around.

  • bob carlisle
    May 18, 2008 4:02 p.m.

    how is this not progress? the jazz are now the second best team in the whole nba. the only better team is the lakers this year. did you see what the lakers did to the nuggets? come on. they will probably beat the hornets or spurs in 6 games or less and will go on and win the championship. the jazz are back, so stop being pessimistic.

  • jim cedar city
    May 18, 2008 3:43 p.m.

    What chaps my hide is how so called super stars like Kobe get calls that are out of this world. You can't tell me the NBA are not officating towards a Laker-Celtic finals. Calls in game six on the Jazz were horrible. If big money business were run like the NBA let's it's officals call games, they would go bellyup!!!!!

  • NBA Conspiracy Theorist
    May 18, 2008 2:47 p.m.

    I, for one, think that the NBA front office has their minds on a resurgence of the "glory days" of the Lakers and Celtics, and will do anything, including ref tampering to achieve this! The Lakers got all the calls, when it mattered most!, pure and simple.
    And most of the calls, that went the Lakers' way, were questionable at best!
    I feel sorry for the Lakers' next opponent, be it, the Hornets or Spurs, because they will fall into the exact same trap. The integrity of the league is in question, in my mind, which is highly unfortunate. The refs should call the game on its merits, and not favor one player over another, or one team over another.
    I remember our series vs. the Bulls, for the championship, and Jordan got the same preferential treatment that Kobe enjoyed. One shot that always sparks my emotions, is the shot Jordan made on Bryon Russell, where he pushed off at the top of the key, they keep showing that shot, as a Jordan highlight, and each time they show it, I am waiting for the ref's whistle, for the pushoff, which never sounded.

  • Jazz Fan (The Original)
    May 18, 2008 1:36 p.m.

    I am annoyed about people who claim to be fans saying that the Jazz are mediocre, Sloan must go, etc. What are you suggesting? Having the hasbeen coaches who are on a round robin signing up with new teams during and after each season. Successful teams keep their coaches over the life of the window where they can legitimately compete for a championship or go as far as their talent can take them. Don't tell me that the Jazz don't have credible coaches/management who know the game, the players available, etc. They make deals for the players available....do you think players like Bryant, James, et al can be traded for and will come to Utah in your lifetime?.....get real. Let's get next to reality...the Jazz are doing fine...the players they have on the roster are fine with the exception possibly, of Hart, Collins, and others on the bench. But every roster in the league has a few of these players, who practise, but do not play a lot. No team can under the current rules assemble an All-Star unit of twelve players, as in an Olympic Dream Team of 1992, 1996. It's not reality. So live with it!!!!!!!! JAZZ!!!!!!!!!!

  • Shaq
    May 18, 2008 1:31 p.m.

    Shaq for AK straight up trade please.

  • Defense
    May 18, 2008 12:47 p.m.

    You could tell early in the year that the lack of effort on defense would catch up to them in the playoffs. Everyone loves to see "Money" shoot the 3. But the jazz frontcourt defense has been laughable all year. AK is the only one of the three in the front court that even attempts to play defense.

    I know the NBA doesn't encourage defense. And you can play the regular season and get away with not playing D. But in the playoffs if you are that pourous defensively in the frontcourt it will catch up with you.

    Good year even though, they bowed out a round earlier this season than last but,I think they are better team than they were a year ago. And the NBA isn't like the Bulls or Lakers dynasty's when one team is that much ahead of the others. There are 5 or 6 teams that are very good and the Jazz are one of them.

    If they go another year without addressing the horrendous front court defense they will be in the same boat next season.

  • Hugh G. Hater
    May 18, 2008 12:45 p.m.

    Talk is cheap.
    Boozer, Harpring and Korver were letdowns in the playoofs.

    The jazz management needs to make sweeping changes if they want to win a title. I'm not holding my breath.

    20 more years.

  • Go fishing
    May 18, 2008 12:05 p.m.

    Enjoy life a little and stop worrying about next year. Get a life Jazz fans.

  • ryan..
    May 18, 2008 11:27 a.m.

    if we don't change anything this off season we can expect the same result next year.change coach...trade player do whatever....i'm tired of losing....

  • Ing
    May 18, 2008 11:07 a.m.

    We can expect a lot. The team has already done a lot, and it can do better.

    True, most NBA players don't want to come to Utah, and that's a handicap. Most of the players who do give it a chance like it, though. It's a matter of finding the right fit. This team is close to being able to win it all. Very close.

    Harpring doesn't do anything for the Jazz? You people are nuts. He couldn't guard Kobe, sure--but nobody really can. He does, however, play with hustle and grit, plays good team defense, moves without the ball which helps keep the offense moving and gets him easy baskets, and is actually pretty good at hitting those open midrange shots. Didn't hit a lot of them this series, but neither did Korver, Kirilenko, or Boozer.

    Just think--the Jazz gave the Lakers a pretty tough 6-game series with half their guys misfiring. We were only in this one because of Williams and Okur.

    Sloan is a great coach. He's taken his team to the finals before, and he'll do it again soon.

  • ID Jazz
    May 18, 2008 10:50 a.m.

    Sick of people on here telling us who have been fans since the Jazz moved to Utah to be happy with mediocrity and be happy with what you have. If the Jazz players and management only have visions of mediocrity then I will cheer for teams who want to win it all and keep moving forward to do so.

    That being said now you know the players and coaches want a championship as much as us fans who supposedly "expect to much". So please don't post your stupidity of feel lucky and be happy with mediocrity because teams build, sign, and trade to get better. The Jazz do need to get better and if they don't look to get better then we will have to live another twenty years with mediocrity and we as true fans deserve more as well as they players who have the passion and a dream of a championship.

    If your happy with mediocrity thats fine but don't tell me and other people on here to be because your world is mediocre.

  • Re: Josh, Butte MT
    May 18, 2008 10:42 a.m.

    Josh keep hating the Lakers from every fiber of your body, that focus on the Lakers will be what keeps the Lakers above the Jazz every year. The negative energy you and fans like you give out will power the Lakers to victory every time. Laker fans don't care about the Jazz, that's why they win.

  • reed madsen
    May 18, 2008 10:32 a.m.

    What happened to the Jazz against the Lakers is easy to fiture out......too much Kobe ....too little Carlos!

  • David Decker
    May 18, 2008 10:27 a.m.

    I'm shocked at the comments from Jazz magt and players. Of course, a lot of "breaks" the other way would have put us in the next round. But, that is championship basketball in the NBA. Everone cannot always be "be "up" This just happened to be Boozer's turn (for whatever reason) However, the Laker series made it clear "to me" that we will never win a championship until we get a strong, big man to anchor the defense. Can anyone remind me of a champion w/o a big man in the middle on defense?

  • ID Jazz
    May 18, 2008 10:24 a.m.

    It has been a fun team to watch except December.
    O'Connor himself said defense has to be addressed that probably means one of the big three are subject to trade.(AK,Booz,Memo)
    The other problem is and most of the teams left in the playoffs have it and that is the Jazz have no one who can take over a game besides Dwill. Boston has Pierce, Allan, Garnett. Spurs have Ginobli, Duncan, Parker. Pistons have Billups, Hamilton, Tayshon. All those players above are capable of taking over a game especially when someone struggles but again Jazz only have Dwill. AK for sure cannot take over a game. Carlos can only score when Dwill is in the game. Brewer is not there yet but is best when the ball pushed. The best the Jazz at having being that other person is CJ. Why CJ? because he is the only one that has shown he can get around his guy to the hole and is capable of hitting the three. He has the outside and inside skills but lacks the experience.
    Should be an interesting off season to see what happens. For Jazz to compete in the west now some trades are needed.

  • Anti-Jazz Fan (the original)
    May 18, 2008 9:55 a.m.

    Here's the bottom line: Nobody wants to come to Utah. Using the phrase of the decade: Your team "is what it is". So don't expect too much.

  • Idaho Jazz Fan
    May 18, 2008 9:34 a.m.

    We should appreciate the fact that the Jazz gave the people of this area the opportunity to see more home wins than any team in the NBA. Give em a break. Next year will be even better.

  • re trade harpring
    May 18, 2008 9:34 a.m.

    heck yes!! Harpring really doesn't do anything for the jazz. you may say that he husltes but who cares he can't make a shot he can't play defense and all he does is flop any way. get rid of harpring. he's almost as bad as giricek......Sheeeesh!!!

  • Young??
    May 18, 2008 9:24 a.m.

    Frankly, I'm tired of sloan and the rest of the franchise telling me how young this team is; the jazz are not that young; Boozer, AK, Korver, Okur are in their prime and Harpring is past it. Williams and Brewer are young but when they hit their prime, Okur and AK will be past it. The jazz didn't lose this series becasue they are young, the lost it because Boozer really struggled and they got out coached every single game.

  • PurplePeopleEater
    May 18, 2008 9:22 a.m.

    It's obvious from Jerry's comments that he wants to be back next year. He likes the fact that this team is young and has room to grow. That's the key for any coach--being able to do better each year. Why do you think coaches who win several championships with a team go to another team, making people wonder if they'd lost their minds? Well, once you're at the top for awhile, it gets boring. The Jazz won't be boring for a few years, at least.

    BTW, I think the many slow starts rests squarely on a young point guard who has yet to mature. Deron's upside, in spite of being one of the top points THIS year, is very high. Talk about a keeper!

    One thing that will help next year is if the Jazz can have someone step up and be a consistent trey man. Losing Fisher to L.A. hurt the team because you could generally count on him to shoot well from long range, as he did against us this year. Korver disappeared in the playoffs, for whatever reason. He or the coaches need to figure that out. Maybe Almond will step up next year.

  • Granny5
    May 18, 2008 9:19 a.m.

    Is Boozer another Malone??? Played exceptionally during the regular season, come the playoffs "choke time." AK still does not seem happy here in Utah, has done a good job this year, but maybe time to trade him. This is a young team, but I don't see us beating the Lakers in playoffs anytime Kobe hits the floor. Bad decisions were made when they released Fisher, but you know what they say about hindsight! Have a great summer, Jazz players and come back ready to hit the boards. Thanks for a great season!

  • Doug
    May 18, 2008 9:18 a.m.

    Another Jazz season. It was like watching a TV rerun when you know the plot and the ending--and you've seen it too many times before.

    If coach Sloan returns, it will free up my Jazz watching time next year. Maybe I'll exercise.

  • Anonymous
    May 18, 2008 9:08 a.m.

    what is the contract situations of players on the jazz?

  • Re:Trade Harpring
    May 18, 2008 8:25 a.m.

    Harpring is not the problem.The Jazz Brass have no clue as to what it takes to build a championship team and actually achieve that goal. Ask the Lakers despite all the hate against them; ask the Spurs, they might show the Jazz how to build a championship team. The Jazz, year in and year out repeat the same mistakes.How about recognizing the glaring deficiencies and finding solutions for them?1. Sloan has never won the big ones and never will. He gets outcoached everytime over the years when it matters the most.
    2.Jazz front court is the least effective among the Western powerhouses. No defense, no intimidation, slow, soft with average firepower.
    3. False expectation on internal growth. Claiming the team is young and needs a time to mature is so unrealistic. Do you think the rest of the conference contenders will seat on the laurels and wait for the Jazz to mature?
    4.Since there will be no changes during the summer, as it's to be expected, there will be similar results come the playoffs next season: another failure.

  • JazzFan
    May 18, 2008 8:00 a.m.

    We probably all can be critical of the Jazz....lack of defense, players not showing up for some games, lack of killer instinct, and did I mention lack of defense?...but they were mostly entertaining. Did anyone seriously expect they'd beat the better coached and more talented Lakers, especially after acquiring Fisher? My one big question remains...why didn't the Jazz insist on a no-compete clause when they cut Fisher loose? They should have insisted he go to an eastern team. Oh well, as Sloan said, they're a young team and can only get better. I'm looking forward to next year.

  • Josh, Butte MT
    May 18, 2008 7:43 a.m.

    This team will win a championship. They were not a bad road team. They had road wins over Boston, Orlando, Detroit, Washington, Philly, Toronto, Phoenix, Denver, Golden State, and Houston. If they win 5 of the games they lost to pathetic teams, teams whose level they played they would have won the west by 2 or three games and had homecourt throughout which is the tremendous mental advantage they will have next year.

    This was a small step back in order to achieve something great. I am as disappointed as the next and I hate LA with every fiber of my soul as well but let them have their one year of fun because the Jazz will be the #1 seed next year and LA will not be able to stay with them.

    (One final thought to Laker fans saying how good you will be when Bynum returns. First he has to return. That is not a guarantee. Second can he play at a high level for an entire year?? Who knows. Good luck.)

  • Jazz Fan (The Original)
    May 18, 2008 7:26 a.m.

    The Jazz had a great season. The fact of the matter is they blew road games they should have won. The could have, would have , should have had the homecourt advantage in the Western Conference; no question. Injuries and not playing focused cost them in the playoffs. Couple that with the fact that when you analyze the rosters across the league, the Jazz do not have the athletically gifted players that the other contenders have. The NBA needs to tighten up the screws on the 'bong' usage, alcoholism, and other drugs. It is appaling what is going on. Hopefully the Jazz are not part of it. I agree with Jerry Sloan, when he says the team is making progress. What I don't understand is that the players that need to improve their skills aren't doing in the offseason. This is troublesome. As well as the players on the roster who may be playing on U.S.A. national teams. This leads to too much play, and will impact the next season, i.e. Williams, Boozer, Okur, Kirilenko; the latter two Russia, and Turkey. The Olympic basketball competition is impacting the league adversely. I think the Jazz braintrust is on the right track.

  • Trade Harpring
    May 18, 2008 6:55 a.m.

    That would be the first step in the right direction. Get a post player who can play defense.

  • Rob
    May 18, 2008 6:22 a.m.

    I think the Jazz should set a goal for 20-25 road wins this upcoming season. With this and a strong record at home (again).......better off in playoffs and maybe homecourt advantage.