MWC officials continue discussion of Las Vegas problem

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  • Sick of UNLV
    Jan. 23, 2009 10:32 a.m.

    I do not attend or support UNLV but have attended several tournaments at the Thomas & Mack. The home court advantage is incredible as the stadium is filled with drunken & HOSTIL home town fans. They are so sickening that fans from visiting teams refuse to return after attending a tourney. Thus, more UNLV fans have seats and it becomes worse. The MWC is a joke.

  • Tanner
    June 16, 2008 3:33 p.m.

    Being a rebel fan i really like the tourny in vegas but i have to agree that it needs to be moved. im sick of hearing from these BYU fans who thinks they are better than us. win a NCAA tourny game then we'll talk.Next year were going to win both the league and tourney champs then all you BYU fans will shut up. oh, and whats up with that freakin barier put around the court by request of dave rose. so we can't rush the court but byu fans can rush sam boyd stadium field. talk about biased.

  • Don't Move
    May 16, 2008 10:51 a.m.

    I am a big BYU fan, but it seems to me that many people want to change the rules to help the Cougars. I want to see BYU play with some guts in March. It's not near as tough to get a big win in December or November. I'm not a big fan of the current situation, but let's face it, had BYU won the last 2 years this would be a non-issue. BYU has had teams good enough to win those tournaments and to make noise in the NCAA, but they never do it. It's not going to change because of a change of venue. BYU definitely should have beaten T A&M but didn't and if anything, that was a more BYU-friendly court. It's time for the boys in blue to stop crying and grow some and get the job done.

  • Jack
    May 15, 2008 7:10 p.m.

    I agree that it is unfair for the tournament to be at UNLV. But it is only unfair it seems to some when UNLV is good. It surely doesn't seem to be a problem for the women's teams as UNLV was knocked out by CSU who hadn't won a conference game all year!

    In two years when the tournament is still in Vegas at a nuetral site no one will complain. As for the problems this year where is the shared blame on BYU fans for their actions? They weren't drunk were they? Why no mention that Holmoe asked for the fence around the court? Why no mention that SDSU and CSU both beat the Rebs in the title game in past seasons and there were no fights?

    The bottom line is there is plenty of blame to go around. UNLV fans shoulder their part as do BYU fans. No one was a saint that night.

    One more thing. Looking at the NCAA tournament the last two years that UNLV belonged no matter if they won the MWC tournament or not. Instead of getting angry about this Y fans should ask why can't they win in the NCAA'S?

  • Fair
    May 15, 2008 6:19 p.m.

    Is it fair that UNC and Duke will get the East regional #1 seed and play in North Carolina every year. Is it fair that the last game of the regular ACC season is Duke/North Carolina. Thats what people want to see, storied programs against each other.
    In this conference, people want to see UNLV.

  • Idahoan
    May 15, 2008 2:21 p.m.


    "Having the Tourney rotated like some have suggested still gives one team home court. Still UNFAIR according to your logic. Does not fix your claim that your reason to have it in Vegas is because it is unfair."

    The same team having home-court advantage every year is not fair. Having the tournament rotate among the conference teams gives each team an opportunity for home-court advantage once in a nine-year cycle. I don't know what the answer is. I do know what the answer isn't: having the tournament every year at the Thomas and Mack Center.

    By the way, BYU is not alone in wanting a change in arrangement for the tournament. Other conference schools also want that.

  • Neutral State
    May 15, 2008 10:15 a.m.

    How about having it in a state that doesn't have a MWC Team?

    Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Montana, Idaho, any of these will do.

  • Reality
    May 15, 2008 8:02 a.m.

    I atttend the MWC tournament every year. The BYU fans are by far the most inconsiderate fans in the MWC. BYU fans have nothing to complain about when it comes to causing problems. They don't follow the rules at the tournament. They complain that at Provo they can do what they are doing. Let's have the tournament in Provo and have all the attendees stay in SLC since Provo has no hotel base. Smart idea. Face it, Vegas makes the MW money and lots of it which in turn BYU has no problem accepting their piece of the pie. Tournaments are about money. Face the facts cougars, you make the NCAA tournament and lose in the first round every year. UNLV wins in the first round every year. Who is the better team? That's a no brainer!!

  • Shut Mouth
    May 15, 2008 7:35 a.m.

    Well put Y Fan

  • Poor Losers
    May 14, 2008 9:24 p.m.

    Having the Tourney rotated like some have suggested still gives one team home court. Still UNFAIR according to your logic. Does not fix your claim that your reason to have it in Vegas is because it is unfair.

    Admit what the real problem is: You don't believe your team can beat the Rebels.

  • Chip
    May 14, 2008 7:35 p.m.

    I'm wondering if we didn't have a tourament at all it if would bring more meaning to the regular season. Fans might actually go to more of the games

  • Y fan
    May 14, 2008 2:44 p.m.

    Good teams can win anywhere, any place and at any time. Keep the tourney in Vegas. until the Cougs can win a NCAA tournament game they have no room to talk. Utah, SDSU and CSU have won down in Vegas

  • Idahoan
    May 14, 2008 2:38 p.m.

    The issue here is fairness. Let everyone have an equal chance in the tournament. Don't stack the deck by giving the same team home-court advantage every year. Asking for fairness is not whining, being a sore loser, being judgmental, self-righteous, or any other description that has been laid out.

  • Idahoan
    May 14, 2008 2:26 p.m.

    "This article was supposed to be about fairness, yet you slide in the (not so)hidden agenda that vegas is the mother off all ill repute."

    After reading all the comments posted already, I went back and read the article again. Nowhere did I see Mr. Harmon make such a claim.

    "Be nice to each other and don't make sweeping judgments about people's morality just becuase you can't maturally handle having alcohol and gambling available to you."

    Wow. That sounds judgmental itself. I didn't know the whole problem with alcohol and gambling just boiled down to maturity.

  • DustinIsARebel
    May 14, 2008 2:11 p.m.

    several things needed to be pointed out.

    1. The "security" problem was caused by Mrs. Cummard herself trying to flex her muscles and refrain the UNLV fans. We may be obnoxious, but so are you. I can tell you that while at a game in provo, i was yelled at, made fun of, and insulted for wearing rebel red, just like you with BYU blue. Its becoming a rivalry, and that is what happens

    2. Secondly, BYU bennifits almost as much as UNLV from having it in vegas. The LDS population in Las Vegas supports BYU, and having the game at the mack allows BYU to have pretty large numbers

    3. Finally, BYU needs to just man up and win important road games. It will sound alot more reasonable if you won the MWC tourney and then try and move it, rather then sound like a sore loser, which you do.

  • Re: Rebelsdynasty
    May 14, 2008 12:57 p.m.

    If you need me to show you how to work a spell check program, I will be happy to. I don't know if I can help you on your grammar though. I also hope that you recognized that your school is proudly showing your new-found ownership by making the NCAA's academic probation list. I guess the school where all you have to do is spell it to get in will be in control forever. I'm amused.

  • Vegas Coug
    May 14, 2008 12:54 p.m.

    Love having the UNLV INVITATIONAL aka MWC Tourney here in my home town but lets be realistic, does UNLV want to play on the home court of the team with the longest home win streak in the country...with a birth in the NCAA on the line. OF COURSE NOT, it would not be fair, nor is it fair for the rest of the MWC teams to play on UNLV's home court every year. Winner of the regular season should host the tourney. Just a suggestion for all the brilliant minds mulling this issue over right now, since we are contractually bound for two more years here (good for me bad for Cougs) STOP SELLING ALL THE BOOZ AND YOU WOULD HAVE LESS FIGHTS.

  • wise man
    May 14, 2008 12:16 p.m.

    RebelsDyNasty? nasty, yes!! Dynasty? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

    Go back to your booze-induced fantasies. But you are funny.

  • Re: RebelsDeadNasty
    May 14, 2008 12:10 p.m.

    "Prepare to be dominated in the fall"

    Can't wait!!!

  • RebelsDyNasty
    May 14, 2008 11:24 a.m.

    All of you sore losing BYU fans ned to realize that your team is not good enough to win anywhere against the rebels, let alone the Mack. You guys can't even win a tournament game in HOW long? You're a travesty if you're blaming your programs lack of sucess on the MWC or The Rebels because you guys can whine and moan all year but when it comes down to it, you'll lose if you even get in the tourney and you know it. Prepare to be dominated in the fall because we own this conference.

  • WinSum
    May 14, 2008 10:40 a.m.

    Same old message. Commissioner of MWC should resign or be let go.
    School leadership that allowed this pathetic TV deal is amazing and holding a UNLV Invitational is so unreasonable as to be beyound belief. Must it continue without consequences?

    There are many neutral sites: Open your eyes!!! San Diego, Anaeheim, Salt Lake,and even Denver, etc.

    I am a BYU, UNLV and Utah fan. However, MWC isn't impressive with its leadership.

  • Dave
    May 14, 2008 10:34 a.m.

    1)I have attended over a hundred events at the T&M and there has never been a security problem. The incidents at the last game were caused in large part by the league telling security not to allow the fans to rush the floor. So you had the winners trying to go down to the floor and the losers trying to get out. It could have been avoided if fans were just let on the court to celebrate their team winning the tournament. No aditional security is needed. If Mike tyson and Metalica fans are ok in there then BYU fans shouldn't have a problem.

    2)Remember Denver. It didn't work. Rotate the tourney and some one still has home court and you also have to battle poor attendance. Even bad teams travel to Vegas just ask Wyoming.

  • Joe
    May 14, 2008 9:23 a.m.

    Get the new conferfence coming to the Orleans to move to the Thomas and Mack, fulfilling the remainder of that two-year commitment, and have the MWC take the Orleans. Everybody wins.

  • Start the games at 4:20
    May 14, 2008 9:07 a.m.

    Hold the tournament at San Diego State.

    Their students can bring the, um, refreshments.

  • ron
    May 14, 2008 8:42 a.m.

    why not rotate it around the league every year. a different venue every year.

  • Coke Bottle Glasses
    May 14, 2008 8:02 a.m.

    I think BYU fans need to get out more. Its laughable to think that UNLV is the only place where riotous support takes place. Not too long ago it was Maryland in the news for their inappropriate behavior towards Duke and JJ Reddick. Not to mention just a few weeks ago an actual Jazz fan got thrown out of the Arena for foul language towards refs. All one needs to remember are the Reid boys and Shawn Bradley to recall how bad every arena is that plays BYU.

  • Move On
    May 14, 2008 7:53 a.m.

    It would be nice if the WAC could switch USU, BSU with UNLV and SDSU. That would help UNLV and SDSU. At least the Rebels would be back on ESPN and a few games be seen.
    Unfortunately, BYU would be in worse shape. They would complain about having to play on blue turf after getting spanked by BSU.
    They would complain that they could not fly into Logan and the drive is too long after getting spanked by the Aggies in the spectrum.
    And after getting beat in the MC by the Aggies, the logical complaint would be its not fair, their are too many Aggie fans making the trip to Provo taking away are home court advantage.
    BYU fans are easy to predict.

  • Mike
    May 14, 2008 7:42 a.m.

    The Utah fans still can't give an rational discussion other than to bash BYU. Get a life, get an education, get something.

  • RE: Dana Bright
    May 14, 2008 6:12 a.m.

    Nothing to do in AZ? Just shows you haven't been to the Phoenix Valley area in about the past 30 years or so. One word for ya: Scottsdale. Enough there and in Phoenix and Tempe to keep any MWC fan happy--even the Vegas folks.

    Bottom line: Phoenix would be a GREAT place to hold the MWC tournament. Look at the alternatives. San Diego isn't a neutral site, Fort Collins is too small, Denver might be OK for resources but is still pretty small-market media-wise, and LA is... well, LA. Phoenix makes the most sense if they could swing the deal.

  • Ed Clinch
    May 13, 2008 11:16 p.m.

    The Big Ten sets up contracts between Chicago and Indianapolis. Lately, Indy won a five year bid for the near future.

    This tourney should definitely rotate through the Wasatch Range. And California.

    And then back to Vegas.

  • Christopher Jones
    May 13, 2008 10:38 p.m.

    First if all--the MWC barely breaks even on this tournament. Here's my solution, Tom Holmoe: No.8 plays No. 1 at No. 1's home court. No. 7 plays No. 2 at N.2's home court. and so on. The play in game would be on no.8's home court---Now you have a final 4 and that would be in Anaheim, California featuring the final 4 on a Thursday and Saturday format. It's ridiculous to ask these kids to play on 3 consecutive nighs.(even the pro's don't do that) And lastly, No beer should be available until fans can handle it!

  • Ryan
    May 13, 2008 10:25 p.m.

    As always the BYU faithful are whining about something. How about the fact that Cummard's wife was throwing blows and saying very vulgar things to our players as they ran around the court. The Pepsi center was a disaster, nobody wants to go to Denver at the beginning of March. CSU and SDSU have both won the championship at the Thomas and Mack this decade, and there was never an issue with fights at all. I understand where you are coming from, I know I wouldn't like it either if the tourney was held in Provo every year. But the fact is fans don't want to go to Provo to support their team, they like to have a beer during the game or even a soft drink with caffeine for that matter (I know because when I went up their for a game, I couldn't get either). The MWC tourney is a huge success in Las Vegas and if it would draw as many fans somewhere else, PLEASE move it there. Us UNLV fans know what our team can do in tournaments, we will win the tournament everywhere. We don't sell more tickets to UNLV fans than anyone one else.

  • Chokers
    May 13, 2008 10:15 p.m.

    Louisville and Arizona were able to beat UNLV on their home floor. Surely a top 25 team, conference champion, longest home winning streak, beat #6 LU, NC close, and tourney qualifier could at least do that. I guess not, just not ready for prime time. Keep Hoping.

  • Reality
    May 13, 2008 10:09 p.m.

    The reality of the whole thing is, the right team won the tourny the last two years as demonstrated by their multiple wins in the NCAA tourny. Can any other team say that?
    BYU is the laughingstock of the conference. Can't win big games.

  • Brian
    May 13, 2008 9:31 p.m.

    I vote for Anaheim. I won't attend the tournament in Vegas ever again. Not all UNLV fans are horrible. Many are very nice. However, there are a many (much too many) who choose to be very offensive. The alcohol flows at the Thomas and Mack. Even the NBA recognizes that alcohol consumptions needs to be controlled. Not UNLV. I was there with my daughters. Multiple times we had to deal with drunken UNLV fans yelling obscene verbal assaults that incluced "F___n' Mormons" and various variants of that. After the game we were yelled at (though we were saying nothing to anyone) and had to put up with more obscene comments just because we were BYU fans wearing BYU blue. In my experience the only place that can come close to the obscene comment barrage of UNLV is attandance at a Wyoming game (but, Wyoming has been surpassed by UNLV). I'm not spending my money at that tournament ever again as long as it is in Vegas. They lost my business.

  • Darren
    May 13, 2008 9:02 p.m.

    Come on D Harmon. If you are going to write an article at least be fair and tell both sides of the story. Your article fails to mention how BYU was partly at fault for the incident at the MWC Tourney this past March. If they wouldn't have strong armed the MWC Conference Officials into putting up that ridiculous barrier this would have never happened. What a joke.

    Holmoe needs to start taking accountability. Isn't that an essential part of our religion?

  • Conference Attendance Champion
    May 13, 2008 8:11 p.m.

    Let's put the tournament in the conference venue that gets the best attendance percentage each season. (Not numbers, but percentage.) Make it a reward for the fans for supporting their team. That probably means that it will be in Albuquerque for the next couple of seasons, but the other schools will soon catch on.

    Yes, it is a disadvantage to BYU because the MC is so large, but it was not that long ago that the place sold out for every game.

  • Maybe it's just a coincidence
    May 13, 2008 7:17 p.m.

    where was all of this uproar about the Vegas homecourt in years past when UNLV wasn't as good as they are now? That's right. It's okay to have the tourney in Vegas as long as they don't win. Like its okay to be gay as long as you don't practice it. With that line of logic your convoluded arguments make sense.

  • Fist Fighting?
    May 13, 2008 7:11 p.m.

    The two people throwing the most punches were Sarah Cummard and Trent Plaisted's wife. This article was supposed to be about fairness, yet you slide in the (not so)hidden agenda that vegas is the mother off all ill repute. You guys are rediculous, they just need to get the tourney to the MGM or the Orleans, or not have it at all (not likely). However then all the BYU fans will complain about having to walk through a casino, although the Orleans has a seperate enterance from the casino, so that looks like the best option. And a word to the wise when you guys/gals are calling UNLV hideous and bad people, the higher you build up your pedestal of self-righteousness the further you will fall...

    Be nice to each other and don't make sweeping judgments about people's morality just becuase you can't maturally handle having alcohol and gambling available to you.

  • sig570
    May 13, 2008 7:00 p.m.

    it is laughable that some think BYU would compete in the PAC-10. unless BYU wants to be the 4th or 5th best team in the PAC-10 year in and year out because there is a clear difference in the top schools in the PAC-10 compared to the MWC.

    ask yourself; is it better to be king of the retards or a nobody?

  • $$$$$
    May 13, 2008 6:14 p.m.

    Keep the tournament in Vegas Baby!! The Cougs need to learn to play better in a rough place. Plus, their nothing like going to the Sports book and placing your bets on the games then going over and watching them live!! As Paul Newman said "Money won is twice as sweet as money earned"

  • Matt
    May 13, 2008 5:25 p.m.

    Frankly, most of you people have little grasp of what the MWC faces with this issue.

    If you want to know what the MWC tournament looks like in Anahiem, or Phoenix, etc.....just look at the MWC stay in Denver @ the Pepsi Center before they moved it back to Vegas.

    I can tell you right now, it's a money thing, and if you think a weak league like the MWC can afford to have less exposure and make less money off the tournament, you are dead wrong.

    Many of you like to go on tangents about how 'this teams fans suck' or 'that teams fans suck', but that's besides the point. If this was about the suckiest fans, then it would be at the Marriott center every year.

  • NC Carolina Cougar
    May 13, 2008 5:14 p.m.

    My 2 cents worth: The higher ranked team should host the first round games just as the NIT does, equaling a decent gate for those games. Then the semifinal games and final game should be held with the regular season champion as host. The semifinal and final games are packaged as a 3 game deal so that you have to purchase the package to see your team play. You play the first rounds games early in the week, leaving the other rounds on Friday and Saturday, meaning you are ready for Selection Sunday. It's pretty easy to make sure the arena is reserved at all venues for the week of the tournament in the event that your team is the regular season champion.

    It's another league, but the results so far of home court advantage in the NBA for the second round is the home team 15, the visitor 1. I don't believe any sane person out there believes UNLV has no advantage in the present situation, which BTW results also in a better seeding on Selection Sunday for the NCAA tournament.

  • coachP
    May 13, 2008 5:07 p.m.

    I love when a BYU fan is upset, they wanna take the ball and go away to play with people who won't bring competition. Put another bandaid on the problem, dynamics will change, if the team does poorly, they will just support the sport that is doing well, Basketball vs football vs volleyball vs great family environment vs we do no evil vs you are all on the outside, stay out, unless you see things are way vs etc. etc., (get the narrow picture????)

  • CJ
    May 13, 2008 5:05 p.m.

    its amazing that BYU fans are so arrogant as to think they are even close to being a good enough school to be in the PAC 10. they play on sundays, so you're out of luck.
    its also very funny to me that there are a number of people that think vegas is some sort of hell on earth that LDS people should not visit. i really feel bad for you if thats how you think. dont be so narrow minded. there are places outside of the bubble of happy valley. not to mention that there are probably 150,000 LDS members in the las vegas valley that seem to do alright. every time i go to the temple there, its full. AMAZING, temple worthy people in vegas???

    we MUST have the tourney in one of the cities where a conference team is located, doing otherwise would kill ticket sales.
    vegas is by far the best city to have the games. the problem, which almost everyone agrees on(including UNLV fans), is that the games need to be at a neutral court(MGM is the best idea).

  • Jack from Ark
    May 13, 2008 3:09 p.m.

    How about this Have the games at the Las Vegas convention center I know they have an arena there and it would be a floor no one would like.

  • Cougar
    May 13, 2008 2:23 p.m.

    The solution is for BYU to leave the "Mountain Worst Conference" and go to the PAC 10. Once we dominate that league, which would be quickly, we can go to the ACC. As long as the baseball team and Judkin's woman's basketball team don't have to compete in the PAC 10, all will be well. An annual trip to Pasadena CA in January for the Rose Bowl would also be nice.

  • BAG the TOURNAMENT
    May 13, 2008 2:06 p.m.

    How can there be 50 comments on this thread an not one mentions the most obvious solution of all -- get rid of the tournament all together.

    Make the regular season mean something by giving the automatic NCAA bid to the regular-season champion (with an appropraite tie-breaking procedure all schools agree to).

    Publish the league schedule well in advance (several years) and encourage teams to schedule non-league opponents during league play to bolster their tournament resumes.

    Automatic-bid to a tournament winner is a joke.

    I would love to know how much money the league earns from the tournament and compare that with what it could earn from sharing the take in games where league teams schedule non-league games during the league schedule, possibly at neutral sites against big-time competition (BYU vs. Michigan St. or Utah vs. So. Cal at ESA, for example).

    The only less-funny joke than an end-of-the-season-"tournament," is a "tournament" played perpetually on the home court of one league team.

  • soakblue
    May 13, 2008 1:58 p.m.

    Hold it at ASU.

  • Big B
    May 13, 2008 1:41 p.m.

    How about holding the MWC in Energy Solutions Arena? It is no one's home court and the U & TDS would add considerable fan base to start.

  • Re: who cares
    May 13, 2008 1:29 p.m.

    "Then move the tournament to the Marriott Center, permanently. It's the largest venue and with BYU having a virtual lock on at least making it to the tournament finals every year..."

    1. They want someplace people will actually travel to, where there are things to do.

    Provo != fun family destination

    2. Recent history is not indicative of future success. Somewhere in the back of my mind, I still recall a 1 (one) win basketball season. What would your proposal do to keep BYU from becoming the next UNLV?

  • Paqo
    May 13, 2008 1:20 p.m.

    Ooh! Ooh! I know. Let's pick an undisclosed high school gym and let the teams play there with only the coaches, players, and refs looking on, and then they can charge the fans to watch it on the mtn.! Go Hair "Craig" Thompson!

    (Yes, I get the mtn. thing. The league was going to get jobbed by ESPN, so they came up with another solution. They should have just done their homework first...)

  • Mike
    May 13, 2008 1:19 p.m.

    Utah needs to join the Pac 10 and byu needs to join the WAC so they can have better tournys and TV deals.

  • Questions
    May 13, 2008 1:16 p.m.

    But what would people do when their collective I.Q. goes down 15 points after being in Provo that long?

  • John
    May 13, 2008 1:10 p.m.

    BYU, Utah and TCU need to dump the MWC just like we dumped the WAC. It's time to join a real conference with real leadership and with BCS eligibility.

    Then BYU and UT need to negotiate a local TV package. I'm appalled at the current TV situation.

  • Re: who cares
    May 13, 2008 12:58 p.m.

    "If any team is a legitimate tournament team they should be able to win anywhere."

    Then move the tournament to the Marriott Center, permanently. It's the largest venue and with BYU having a virtual lock on at least making it to the tournament finals every year, the conference would be sure to sell more tickets every year than they sell at the T&M.

  • Sports fan
    May 13, 2008 12:54 p.m.

    There was a reason that UNLV was black balled by the WAC many years ago, which forced them into the Big West. The facts have not changed all these years later 1- it's a bad city 2- a bad place to take a family, 3- it's a bad place to have college kids and yes having the MWC hold a tournment there is an Embarrassment to the League. I would much rather have Utah and BYU in the WAC again so the tournament could be held at the house John and Karl built at least its off campus and it would be more fair even if its in Utah at least its not on a home court you would have three schools with an advantage (I know this will never happen that does not mean that its not a better solution). I'll never go to the MMC tournment as long as its in Vegas "What Happens in Vegas stays in Vagas." UNLV WINS AGAIN.

  • hmmmm.......
    May 13, 2008 12:50 p.m.

    Seems to me that the only real solution is to do one of the following:
    Find a completely neutral site, i.e., Phoenix, S. Cal, find another Vegas site, Orleans for example, or rotate the tournament each year to a different school. If you rotate it ticket sales is not a problem because of last-minute down to the wire seasons to get a winner and each school has a turn in hosting so their fans don't have to travel. Waiting for the regular season winner could delay knowing where the tournament would be held and most likely would impact sales because of travel concerns.

    Regardless, it has to be taken away from the T&M. Any conference who would allow the violence and chaos that ocurred there this year is sending the wrong message to the fans and it will end up costing them in the long run. I will not go back to the T&M - EVER. And my money will go to something else instead of the bb tournament.

  • Anonymous
    May 13, 2008 12:47 p.m.

    I went to the tourney two years ago to cheer for BYU. I wasn't looking for a fight, but by the end of the game I was definitely ready for one. I think the best thing you could do would be to have separate sections for the different schools. This way I don't have a dozen drunken Rebels being total jerks two rows back. If you must keep the event at the Thomas and Mack center, this would at the very least solve the security issue, even though the fairness issue is still unresolved.

  • BlueBoy
    May 13, 2008 12:46 p.m.

    Yup, this MWC thing is a joke. In reading all these posts (some pretty good, some idiotic), I feel like I'm an outsider reading posts complaining about unsolvable problems in a nobody conference. Oh, the MWC IS a nobody conference. Oh, well.

    BYU will never get the national attention it desires as long as it's in the MWC. SOS ensures that. It doesn't matter how good BYU is over its conference rivals, the better athletes will mostly go where they'll have a better chance at the next level, leaving BYU with only a few top players (any sport).

    Rose and Bronco have national dreams that will never be realized. Too much prejudice out there against BYU's religion, and that darned SOS will continue to keep the teams (basketball and football) from getting high enough seeds for a legitimate chance to play for national championships. (If you don't think SOS factors into basketball seedings, you don't know how they're doing it.)

  • brooke
    May 13, 2008 12:45 p.m.

    My vote is to move it to SLC not to U of U.

  • Hey MWC Goons
    May 13, 2008 12:34 p.m.

    Keep it in Vegas, just move it to a floor that UNLV does not play on every day. The Arenas in MGM or Mandela each will hold 15K and it would be neutral enough to take away much of UNLV's advantage in the tourney. Come on, I am in my shorts at a keyboard and can come up with a solution what are we paying the suits for! On top of that the security would be stronger than anything around. Having been to a fight night at the MGM I can tell you this, there would be no fan interference whatsoever.

  • wb
    May 13, 2008 12:31 p.m.

    Dick you are a great embarrassment to your so called profession.

  • Just Ban the Wifes
    May 13, 2008 12:30 p.m.

    Most of the fighting I saw had BYU player's wives in the middle of it. They were way worse than Labron's mom last night in the game!

  • KD
    May 13, 2008 12:18 p.m.

    The SOLUTION is simple. Propose to trade venues with the Pack 10. The Pack ten comes to Vegas and The Mountain West goes to Phoenix. Both Conferences eliminate the unfairness of home court and they both get a warm climate for fans.

  • BD
    May 13, 2008 12:16 p.m.

    I recall when the WAC tourney did go to the conference winning school. Several major problems resulted. First, it was difficult on very short notice to promote the tourney, sell tickets (local and across the league), block hotel rooms (if the tourney was even in a town with enough existing rooms close to the site - something even Provo would have trouble with), airline costs on short notice were high, and if the home town team lost in the early rounds, then the place was empty. It simply didn't work. Awarding the regular season winner the automatic NCAA slot would make up for the tourney situation and the home court advantage problem in Las Vegas. The MWC should be getting two or three teams a year in the tourney, so even if the league winner also took the tourney, others could improve their NCAA position by playing well in Vegas. Finally, concerning security, there are problems with rushing the floor, just as their are problems with football fans rushing the field after a bowl game. The BYU fans did it the last two years in Vegas...others have done the same elsewhere. It's dangerous (tho fun too.)

  • Ute King
    May 13, 2008 12:16 p.m.

    Simple fix for the "near riot conditions"

    Don't let wives of BYU players within 100 yards of the building.

  • Anonymous
    May 13, 2008 12:07 p.m.

    Location, Location, Location: It drives both the residential and commercial markets in most sectors.
    Move the venue to S Cal and most of the Wasatch Front U and Y boosters will not drive or fly. (The same if the venue is in the AZ or Denver area.)

    The oblique intimation that Vegas won't work - because of a jaundiced morality eye - is a concern of a minority, I believe. Getting the games off the UNLV campus and into another Vegas city arena though is a most laudable goal - that at least can be tried.

    MWC leadership, and many athletic directors followed "Alice" into the rabbit hole when TV and Thomas Mack Arena contracts were entered into. Who will pop out of the hole though and demand, enough is enough, time to try something else.

    Bring to the game to S Cal, it's so family friendly? Part of that equation is true, lots of diversity; but how many that would have driven to Vegas are going to say no thanks to the long jaunt to S Cal. I think most would stay away.

    Conference leaders will talk about it, and talk about it more; and then.... we're waiting!

  • No Brainer
    May 13, 2008 11:47 a.m.

    Any one with half a brain can see this is an unfair advantage for UNLV. Even the new coaches in the conference have a problem with the current situation. If you moved the tournament to the Pit, Marriot or Huntsman Center it would be the same story. To me this situation just reinforces the incompetence of the MWC commissioner Craig Thompson as well as the incompetence of school presidents to allow this injustice to continue.

    I agree with the other posts that the regular season winner should host the tournament on their home court. This would allow the conference to make the money that they need and reward the team with the best regular season record. If not a neutral site would be much better than the current UNLV homer that we have now. No way does UNLV win that came against TCU this year on a Neutral court!!!

  • Chad
    May 13, 2008 11:37 a.m.

    I think it is funny that this whole thing keeps coming up about security. All the Thomas and Mack has to do is call the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police force and say we need 100 uniformed officers for security. Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department will say what it cost for that and it is done. The other solution is to have the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department tell Thomas and Mack that if you want to have this event here you need X number of uniformed police officers and that will cost you $$$ per officer.

    My good friend is the Capitan over these deployments and licenses for the police department and he said all anybody has to do is call and ask and we will be there. They just have to pay us. By the way they had over 200 uniformed officers at the Holyfield /Tyson fight a years ago and the venue requested that number.... and paid for them to be there.

    No more excuses from this league and UNLV.

  • metamoracoug
    May 13, 2008 11:33 a.m.

    OK. I have the solution. An arena was just opened here in East Peoria Illinois. Since central Illinois is a huge spring vacation mecca, I know all of you BYU fans would love to come here. It is after all just two and a half hours from Nauvoo. For the fans of all other schools, you can head down to the Para-dice riverboat and casino, two miles from the new arena. It's not quite got the glamour of Vegas -- where I served my mission -- but you can flush your money down the slots just as easily!

    So, there you have the best solution to MWC woes. By the way, I'm submitting my name for MWC commisioner . . . . Just kidding.

  • George
    May 13, 2008 11:32 a.m.

    I would like to take my son to the tournament every year. We would go anywhere else but, I will not take him to Las Vegas.

  • Rotation
    May 13, 2008 11:08 a.m.

    Rotate the conference tourney from school to school each year. That way you can plan it, sell advanced tickets, and each team is rewarded at some point. It's only recently that a neutral site has gotten so important, but rotation and reward to each school for being in the conference makes much more sense. Not to mention cheaper since arena rental rates will be more favorable to the home team... The main things are to 1) forget the need for a neutral site and 2) stop giving solely one team the home-court advantage.

  • Josh
    May 13, 2008 11:06 a.m.

    ESA is out of the question: The whole point to moving it is that it's a neutral site.

    Finding a "central" location geographically doesn't really matter: a plane ticket to Las Vegas or Anaheim or Pheonix is pretty comparable, from what I've seen.

  • Green is supreme
    May 13, 2008 10:59 a.m.

    I think that somewhere in Southern California is the only other option. The all mighty dollar is what dictates where these games will be held... and nobody wants to travel to Utah (or Denver or Dallas for that matter to watch a game). Let's face it, Las Vegas is a central location that people would actually travel to. What's there to do in Salt Lake or Denver?? Marriot Center? Ha, this will NEVER happen. Can you imagine how much $$ the MWC would lose (this would hurt all teams in the conference).

  • TrooBloo
    May 13, 2008 10:56 a.m.

    Dittos on Craig Thompson, although the MWC presidents have an equal amount of blame (to begin with, they hired the genius; secondly--he's still working there!). The real mystery here is: why didn't Thompson and the MWC presidents not think of the home-court issue when they set up the deal in the first place? Kind of put that in the same bucket as the other mysteries of the MWC: why did they sign the incredibly damaging TV deal? Why did they settle for the LV Bowl deal, that locks us in to playing the #4 or #5 team in the PAC-10?

    It almost seems that the entire crew have no faith in the MWC product, and no confidence they could have negotiated better deals. Las Vegas and Comcast ended up laughing all the way to the bank.

    Never have so many been so poorly served by so few, for such an interminably long time.

  • Stay In Vegas
    May 13, 2008 10:55 a.m.

    Despite the edge that UNLV has on their home court, Vegas is still the best location possible for the tournament. I attended this year's tournament and it was a very enjoyable week, despite Utah's loss to UNLV on their home floor.

    Is everyone so quick to forget how miserable it was when the tournament moved to Colorado or wherever it went? Nobody went and nobody watched. Fans will go to Vegas. Fans will not go to New Mexico, Salt Lake, Denver, Boulder or anywhere else that isn't a prime location.

    Southern Cal is the only real alternative, and that is far from a neutral site that is accessible for many of the schools. We in Utah will not drive to LA for the tournament, and attendence will drop considerably.

    The sensible solution would be to hold the tournament in Vegas, but not at UNLV. The MGM has a good enough venue to support the tournament in a good capacity. They could hold the tourney there until the new NBA arena is built and completed in Vegas.

  • GK from England
    May 13, 2008 10:41 a.m.

    I love a competitive game whatever the sport, but what happened at the last BYU vs UNLV was disgraceful. If you don't want the violence and trouble to be repeated then drastic measures need to be taken to protect the public, players and media etc.
    Police Officers need to be present inside AND outside the stadium.
    Opposing fans must be segregated.
    MWC officials to authorise the installation of CCTV (if not already installed) in order to monitor potential hot-spots within the crowd and pick out any ring leaders.
    Any reoccurence of violence must be dealt with harshly by the Police and Courts.
    By the way, were those involved in the brawl, arrested, charged and convicted? If not, then where is the deterent?

  • G
    May 13, 2008 10:30 a.m.

    First of all, this notion that the tournament is more successful in vegas is a red herring. About 5,000 people traveled to Denver. About 5,000 people travel to Vegas. It looks more successful because 10,000 UNLV fans have attended their games the last two years ... but you could get the same result in SLC, Provo, SDSU, or UNM.

    Second, if the MWC really wants to fix the problem, why are tickets the same price for traveling fans as UNLV fans? If they want to fix the problem in the stands they should sell discounted tickets through booster clubs at every school except UNLV. They can offset the loss in revenue by raising public prices.

    It's simple economics. Too many UNLV fans? Raise their cost. Not enough traveling fans? Lower their's. UNLV fans should pony up and pay more anyway, since they're saving on travel and hotel money anyway.

  • who cares
    May 13, 2008 10:22 a.m.

    Vegas is a great spot to have it because it makes money and is pretty central to everybody and it has great weather and other good entertainment. The homecourt whining is a joke. If any team is a legitimate tournament team they should be able to win anywhere. Last time I checked Utah or BYU won't be playing any NCAA tourney games in Salt Lake or Provo, so playing in Vegas is a good tune-up. it being in Vegas can't be doing that bad because the conference keeps getting multiple bids and if the only reason UNLV gets into the tournament is because they have home-court, why do they actually win tournament games away from home? When Utah was a legitimate tourney team they could win mwc tournaments as well. Has anybody ever considered the idea that UNLV has a good team and the best coach in the conference?

  • Ernest T. Bass
    May 13, 2008 10:10 a.m.

    The fact is, UNLV would rarely make it out of the first round if the tourny was played at the Marriot Center or the Huntsman Center.
    Although, they FINALLY have a coach in Lon Kruger. That guy puts all the past unlv coaches to shame.

  • re: Dana
    May 13, 2008 10:01 a.m.

    That is a good idea. UNLV fans have shown over and over how classless they are. Get the tourney out of there. What MWC team wouldn't love to go to CA? Play on USC's homecourt or somewhere, just NOT the Fakers court where Phil Jackson lives.

  • Amazing
    May 13, 2008 9:55 a.m.

    How difficult is this? This article makes it sound like these guys are trying to land a spaceship on Mars or create a new energy source. Come on. We're talking about trying to get a new venue for playing a basketball tournament.

    The Thomas and Mack is a joke. For the past two years it has been a nightmare. I was there this year and it really was a disaster. The Vegas fans are hideous and the home court is ridiculous. It's amazing that it has taken these AD's, Conference Admins, etc this long to figure it out. Wow. Good thing they don't have real jobs that are driven by results and profits.

    Get on the phone, make a few calls, and get it on the schedule. Phoenix seems to make the most sense - big city, warm climate for Craig and his golfing buddies, plenty to do, easy to get to, etc. If not, then how about S. Cal. Given the criteria that is outlined those are the only choices.

    Make it happen.

    But when considering this is the same group who came up with The Mtn., their incompetence is not surprising.

  • Texas Cougar
    May 13, 2008 9:53 a.m.

    Why not just do it the way the WAC used to do it: By giving home court advantage to the team that won the regular season championship. That gives importance to the regular season, and lowers the possibility of two league champions (which typically lowers the NCAA seeding for both champion teams).

    I know it would make it harder for the MWC to sell tickets in advance, but I don't think that would necessarily translate into less tickets sold.

    -If the championship is held in Salt Lake or Provo, you know that local fans will sell out games.

    -If the tournament is held in San Diego, fans will show up for the warm weather and attractions.

    -If its held in Las Vegas, then at least UNLV earned it.

    -New Mexico is warm(er than the intermountain west), plus its a centralized location and everyone should attend a game in The Pit at least once in their life.

    -Boulder CO is sort of centralized.

    -Dallas would be a little far away but let's face it, TCU isn't going to win the MWC any time in the near future

    -Laramie and Ft. Collins...okay, that would be a tough sell.

  • For the Fans
    May 13, 2008 9:05 a.m.

    The MWC needs to select 3-4 arenas that are near its fan centers and rotate the tournament around every year. Every student at a MWC school should have the chance for an easy road trip to the tournament at least once in a four-year cycle. My suggestions:
    1: SLC / ESA (Close to BYU and Utah)
    2: Denver/Pepsi Center (AF, CSU, Wyo)
    3: Anaheim/Honda Center (UNLV, SDSU)
    4: Dallas/AA Arena (TCU, UNM)
    Get those four arenas on a regular rotation, and make everybody happy. Even though some arenas are still close to campus, nobody gets home-court more than once in four years.

  • Solution
    May 13, 2008 8:31 a.m.

    I know this is irrational and probably not a real solution but, just get out of the MWC. The TV deal is a joke and now this basketball tourney. If BYU and either Utah or TCU threatened to leave I think a lot of things would change. Good luck to the MWC getting UNLV vs San Diego St on national TV. Bottom line is BYU, Utah, and TCU own this conference and if they got together some good things could happen.

  • go big
    May 13, 2008 8:24 a.m.

    The tourney is a money maker for the conference, so it should be wherever the $$$ potential is greatest. Why have it in a city or stadium that will not maximize profits? If UNLV gains from that, so be it. We'll just have to be that much better to beat them.

  • Matt
    May 13, 2008 8:13 a.m.

    What is wrong with holding the tournament in Anaheim at the Honda Center? There is entertainment value that is more family oriented and also fun for all ages. It's a neutral court and venue. And there is plenty of hotel options in that area. I mean... you must be a complete idiot to not hold the tournament there.

  • MWC idiots
    May 13, 2008 7:14 a.m.

    I don't know what it is going to take for MWC officials to see that having the tournament in Las Vegas is NOT working. Having UNLV get home court advantage with lunatic, out-of-control fans is an embarrasement to the league. OH WAIT ... the MWC is already an embarrasment....OK keep the tourney in Vegas baby!

  • Dana Bright
    May 13, 2008 6:49 a.m.

    Anaheim is the best choice, for weather, attractions, and family-friendly venues. Disneyland across the street, Sea World 1.5 hours away, Magic Mountain 1 hour away, the beach 15 minutes away, Universal Studios 40 minutes away, Hollywood, Beverly Hills, you just can't find anywhere else in the west that offers so much for families within such a short distance. Oh and did I mention, a neutral court? Forget AZ, there's nothing to do there.

  • ron
    May 13, 2008 6:39 a.m.

    Why don't these schools that try to preach fairness in their places of learning take a page from the dictionary and find out what fairness actually means. These people who are supposed to be so educated are making a lot of uneducated decisions that are ruining their school programs, except the one school that is benefitting from it. Wake up and smell the postum,and I am speaking of the two schools in the state of Utah. Yes, you are making rules and sign contracts that make the dollars, but you are not being FAIR to those students who you go out and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to recruit. Fairness is as fairness does. Good luck.

  • true blue
    May 13, 2008 6:23 a.m.

    I go to UNLV and all the UNLV fans say that the site doesn't matter, but they would be crying as loud if the tourney was at the Marriot center. The thing that upsets me the most is UNLV hasn't won an outright league title for a long time but they are rewarded every year by having the tourney on their home court.

  • lost in DC
    May 13, 2008 5:34 a.m.

    There needs to be more of a reward for winning the regular season than a first round bye. How about hosting the tournament?? Yeah, there are better places to be in March than Laramie or Ft. Collins, but it makes more sense than giving UNLV the home-court advantage every year.

    Or, you could out a perverse spin on it and let the last-place team host the tournament. They'd need the home-court advantage even more. We'd be even more likely to end up in Ft. Collins, but we'd also have a better chance of ending up in San Diego.

  • DuckCreek
    May 13, 2008 4:50 a.m.

    Let's not forget about the hotel rooms that normally go for 60.00 - 100.00 a night mid-week, that were going for 175.00 - 300.00 per night. One thing about Vegas is, they want it all!

  • Crazy idea
    May 13, 2008 3:29 a.m.

    Ah, heck, let's have it in St. George.

    Yeah, it's a ridiculously stupid to hold it in an arena that only seats 5,000, but it's a warm climate--that's all the reason Craig Thompson needs. So crazy he might just do it.

  • FIRE THOMPSON!
    May 13, 2008 2:29 a.m.

    The first item of business should be to fire Craig Thompson. He has taken the MWC from an OK conference, to an irrelivant conference in the matter of a few years. This is mostly due to the disasterous tv deal. Does Mr. Thompson have no accountability?

  • rvalens2
    May 13, 2008 2:27 a.m.

    I don't know how they can move it to a non-MWC destination and not lose money on the deal. Still, giving Las Vegas home court advantage every year isn't fair to the rest of the league.

    My suggestion? Move it to Reno or Phoenix. Having lived in Reno for awhile I know the tournament would be welcomed with open arms. Phoenix would also be a good choice. Both are easy to get to and offer a lot of amenities. The only place I wouldn't want to see the tournament go is California. Why? If BYU failed to make the tournament the Mountain West wouldn't draw very many locals. Nothing looks worse on TV than half empty arenas.

  • mykejm
    May 13, 2008 12:32 a.m.

    It's all about the $$$, just like the moronic TV deal. Fair competition, comprehensive TV coverage and national exposure all go out the window in favor of making a few extra bucks. I'm sure Vegas is greasing the wheels to keep the tourney there...

    Craig Thompson is to the MWC what Isiah Thomas was to the Knicks.