I do not attend or support UNLV but have attended several tournaments at the
Thomas & Mack. The home court advantage is incredible as the stadium is filled
with drunken & HOSTIL home town fans. They are so sickening that fans from
visiting teams refuse to return after attending a tourney. Thus, more UNLV fans
have seats and it becomes worse. The MWC is a joke.
Being a rebel fan i really like the tourny in vegas but i have to agree that it
needs to be moved. im sick of hearing from these BYU fans who thinks they are
better than us. win a NCAA tourny game then we'll talk.Next year were going to
win both the league and tourney champs then all you BYU fans will shut up. oh,
and whats up with that freakin barier put around the court by request of dave
rose. so we can't rush the court but byu fans can rush sam boyd stadium field.
talk about biased.
I am a big BYU fan, but it seems to me that many people want to change the rules
to help the Cougars. I want to see BYU play with some guts in March. It's not
near as tough to get a big win in December or November. I'm not a big fan of the
current situation, but let's face it, had BYU won the last 2 years this would be
a non-issue. BYU has had teams good enough to win those tournaments and to make
noise in the NCAA, but they never do it. It's not going to change because of a
change of venue. BYU definitely should have beaten T A&M but didn't and if
anything, that was a more BYU-friendly court. It's time for the boys in blue to
stop crying and grow some and get the job done.
I agree that it is unfair for the tournament to be at UNLV. But it is only
unfair it seems to some when UNLV is good. It surely doesn't seem to be a
problem for the women's teams as UNLV was knocked out by CSU who hadn't won a
conference game all year! In two years when the tournament is still
in Vegas at a nuetral site no one will complain. As for the problems this year
where is the shared blame on BYU fans for their actions? They weren't drunk were
they? Why no mention that Holmoe asked for the fence around the court? Why no
mention that SDSU and CSU both beat the Rebs in the title game in past seasons
and there were no fights? The bottom line is there is plenty of
blame to go around. UNLV fans shoulder their part as do BYU fans. No one was a
saint that night. One more thing. Looking at the NCAA tournament the
last two years that UNLV belonged no matter if they won the MWC tournament or
not. Instead of getting angry about this Y fans should ask why can't they win in
Is it fair that UNC and Duke will get the East regional #1 seed and play in
North Carolina every year. Is it fair that the last game of the regular ACC
season is Duke/North Carolina. Thats what people want to see, storied programs
against each other.In this conference, people want to see UNLV.
"Having the Tourney rotated like some have suggested still gives one team
home court. Still UNFAIR according to your logic. Does not fix your claim that
your reason to have it in Vegas is because it is unfair."The same
team having home-court advantage every year is not fair. Having the tournament
rotate among the conference teams gives each team an opportunity for home-court
advantage once in a nine-year cycle. I don't know what the answer is. I do know
what the answer isn't: having the tournament every year at the Thomas and Mack
Center.By the way, BYU is not alone in wanting a change in
arrangement for the tournament. Other conference schools also want that.
How about having it in a state that doesn't have a MWC Team?Oregon,
Washington, Arizona, Montana, Idaho, any of these will do.
I atttend the MWC tournament every year. The BYU fans are by far the most
inconsiderate fans in the MWC. BYU fans have nothing to complain about when it
comes to causing problems. They don't follow the rules at the tournament. They
complain that at Provo they can do what they are doing. Let's have the
tournament in Provo and have all the attendees stay in SLC since Provo has no
hotel base. Smart idea. Face it, Vegas makes the MW money and lots of it which
in turn BYU has no problem accepting their piece of the pie. Tournaments are
about money. Face the facts cougars, you make the NCAA tournament and lose in
the first round every year. UNLV wins in the first round every year. Who is
the better team? That's a no brainer!!
Well put Y Fan
Having the Tourney rotated like some have suggested still gives one team home
court. Still UNFAIR according to your logic. Does not fix your claim that your
reason to have it in Vegas is because it is unfair.Admit what the
real problem is: You don't believe your team can beat the Rebels.
I'm wondering if we didn't have a tourament at all it if would bring more
meaning to the regular season. Fans might actually go to more of the games
Good teams can win anywhere, any place and at any time. Keep the tourney in
Vegas. until the Cougs can win a NCAA tournament game they have no room to
talk. Utah, SDSU and CSU have won down in Vegas
The issue here is fairness. Let everyone have an equal chance in the tournament.
Don't stack the deck by giving the same team home-court advantage every year.
Asking for fairness is not whining, being a sore loser, being judgmental,
self-righteous, or any other description that has been laid out.
"This article was supposed to be about fairness, yet you slide in the (not
so)hidden agenda that vegas is the mother off all ill repute."After
reading all the comments posted already, I went back and read the article again.
Nowhere did I see Mr. Harmon make such a claim."Be nice to each
other and don't make sweeping judgments about people's morality just becuase you
can't maturally handle having alcohol and gambling available to you."Wow. That sounds judgmental itself. I didn't know the whole problem with
alcohol and gambling just boiled down to maturity.
several things needed to be pointed out.1. The "security" problem
was caused by Mrs. Cummard herself trying to flex her muscles and refrain the
UNLV fans. We may be obnoxious, but so are you. I can tell you that while at a
game in provo, i was yelled at, made fun of, and insulted for wearing rebel red,
just like you with BYU blue. Its becoming a rivalry, and that is what
happens2. Secondly, BYU bennifits almost as much as UNLV from having
it in vegas. The LDS population in Las Vegas supports BYU, and having the game
at the mack allows BYU to have pretty large numbers3. Finally, BYU
needs to just man up and win important road games. It will sound alot more
reasonable if you won the MWC tourney and then try and move it, rather then
sound like a sore loser, which you do.
If you need me to show you how to work a spell check program, I will be happy
to. I don't know if I can help you on your grammar though. I also hope that you
recognized that your school is proudly showing your new-found ownership by
making the NCAA's academic probation list. I guess the school where all you have
to do is spell it to get in will be in control forever. I'm amused.
Love having the UNLV INVITATIONAL aka MWC Tourney here in my home town but lets
be realistic, does UNLV want to play on the home court of the team with the
longest home win streak in the country...with a birth in the NCAA on the line.
OF COURSE NOT, it would not be fair, nor is it fair for the rest of the MWC
teams to play on UNLV's home court every year. Winner of the regular season
should host the tourney. Just a suggestion for all the brilliant minds mulling
this issue over right now, since we are contractually bound for two more years
here (good for me bad for Cougs) STOP SELLING ALL THE BOOZ AND YOU WOULD HAVE
RebelsDyNasty? nasty, yes!! Dynasty?
back to your booze-induced fantasies. But you are funny.
"Prepare to be dominated in the fall"Can't wait!!!
All of you sore losing BYU fans ned to realize that your team is not good enough
to win anywhere against the rebels, let alone the Mack. You guys can't even win
a tournament game in HOW long? You're a travesty if you're blaming your programs
lack of sucess on the MWC or The Rebels because you guys can whine and moan all
year but when it comes down to it, you'll lose if you even get in the tourney
and you know it. Prepare to be dominated in the fall because we own this
Same old message. Commissioner of MWC should resign or be let go. School
leadership that allowed this pathetic TV deal is amazing and holding a UNLV
Invitational is so unreasonable as to be beyound belief. Must it continue
without consequences? There are many neutral sites: Open your
eyes!!! San Diego, Anaeheim, Salt Lake,and even Denver, etc.I am a
BYU, UNLV and Utah fan. However, MWC isn't impressive with its leadership.
1)I have attended over a hundred events at the T&M and there has never been a
security problem. The incidents at the last game were caused in large part by
the league telling security not to allow the fans to rush the floor. So you had
the winners trying to go down to the floor and the losers trying to get out. It
could have been avoided if fans were just let on the court to celebrate their
team winning the tournament. No aditional security is needed. If Mike tyson and
Metalica fans are ok in there then BYU fans shouldn't have a problem.2)Remember Denver. It didn't work. Rotate the tourney and some one still has
home court and you also have to battle poor attendance. Even bad teams travel
to Vegas just ask Wyoming.
Get the new conferfence coming to the Orleans to move to the Thomas and Mack,
fulfilling the remainder of that two-year commitment, and have the MWC take the
Orleans. Everybody wins.
Hold the tournament at San Diego State.Their students can bring the,
why not rotate it around the league every year. a different venue every year.
I think BYU fans need to get out more. Its laughable to think that UNLV is the
only place where riotous support takes place. Not too long ago it was Maryland
in the news for their inappropriate behavior towards Duke and JJ Reddick. Not to
mention just a few weeks ago an actual Jazz fan got thrown out of the Arena for
foul language towards refs. All one needs to remember are the Reid boys and
Shawn Bradley to recall how bad every arena is that plays BYU.
It would be nice if the WAC could switch USU, BSU with UNLV and SDSU. That would
help UNLV and SDSU. At least the Rebels would be back on ESPN and a few games be
seen. Unfortunately, BYU would be in worse shape. They would complain
about having to play on blue turf after getting spanked by BSU. They would
complain that they could not fly into Logan and the drive is too long after
getting spanked by the Aggies in the spectrum.And after getting beat in
the MC by the Aggies, the logical complaint would be its not fair, their are too
many Aggie fans making the trip to Provo taking away are home court
advantage.BYU fans are easy to predict.
The Utah fans still can't give an rational discussion other than to bash BYU.
Get a life, get an education, get something.
Nothing to do in AZ? Just shows you haven't been to the Phoenix Valley area in
about the past 30 years or so. One word for ya: Scottsdale. Enough there and in
Phoenix and Tempe to keep any MWC fan happy--even the Vegas folks. Bottom line: Phoenix would be a GREAT place to hold the MWC tournament. Look
at the alternatives. San Diego isn't a neutral site, Fort Collins is too small,
Denver might be OK for resources but is still pretty small-market media-wise,
and LA is... well, LA. Phoenix makes the most sense if they could swing the
The Big Ten sets up contracts between Chicago and Indianapolis. Lately, Indy won
a five year bid for the near future.This tourney should definitely
rotate through the Wasatch Range. And California.And then back to
First if all--the MWC barely breaks even on this tournament. Here's my
solution, Tom Holmoe: No.8 plays No. 1 at No. 1's home court. No. 7 plays No. 2
at N.2's home court. and so on. The play in game would be on no.8's home
court---Now you have a final 4 and that would be in Anaheim, California
featuring the final 4 on a Thursday and Saturday format. It's ridiculous to ask
these kids to play on 3 consecutive nighs.(even the pro's don't do that) And
lastly, No beer should be available until fans can handle it!
As always the BYU faithful are whining about something. How about the fact that
Cummard's wife was throwing blows and saying very vulgar things to our players
as they ran around the court. The Pepsi center was a disaster, nobody wants to
go to Denver at the beginning of March. CSU and SDSU have both won the
championship at the Thomas and Mack this decade, and there was never an issue
with fights at all. I understand where you are coming from, I know I wouldn't
like it either if the tourney was held in Provo every year. But the fact is
fans don't want to go to Provo to support their team, they like to have a beer
during the game or even a soft drink with caffeine for that matter (I know
because when I went up their for a game, I couldn't get either). The MWC
tourney is a huge success in Las Vegas and if it would draw as many fans
somewhere else, PLEASE move it there. Us UNLV fans know what our team can do in
tournaments, we will win the tournament everywhere. We don't sell more tickets
to UNLV fans than anyone one else.
Louisville and Arizona were able to beat UNLV on their home floor. Surely a top
25 team, conference champion, longest home winning streak, beat #6 LU, NC close,
and tourney qualifier could at least do that. I guess not, just not ready for
prime time. Keep Hoping.
The reality of the whole thing is, the right team won the tourny the last two
years as demonstrated by their multiple wins in the NCAA tourny. Can any other
team say that?BYU is the laughingstock of the conference. Can't win big
I vote for Anaheim. I won't attend the tournament in Vegas ever again. Not all
UNLV fans are horrible. Many are very nice. However, there are a many (much
too many) who choose to be very offensive. The alcohol flows at the Thomas and
Mack. Even the NBA recognizes that alcohol consumptions needs to be controlled.
Not UNLV. I was there with my daughters. Multiple times we had to deal with
drunken UNLV fans yelling obscene verbal assaults that incluced "F___n' Mormons"
and various variants of that. After the game we were yelled at (though we were
saying nothing to anyone) and had to put up with more obscene comments just
because we were BYU fans wearing BYU blue. In my experience the only place that
can come close to the obscene comment barrage of UNLV is attandance at a Wyoming
game (but, Wyoming has been surpassed by UNLV). I'm not spending my money at
that tournament ever again as long as it is in Vegas. They lost my business.
Come on D Harmon. If you are going to write an article at least be fair and
tell both sides of the story. Your article fails to mention how BYU was partly
at fault for the incident at the MWC Tourney this past March. If they wouldn't
have strong armed the MWC Conference Officials into putting up that ridiculous
barrier this would have never happened. What a joke.Holmoe needs to
start taking accountability. Isn't that an essential part of our religion?
Let's put the tournament in the conference venue that gets the best attendance
percentage each season. (Not numbers, but percentage.) Make it a reward for
the fans for supporting their team. That probably means that it will be in
Albuquerque for the next couple of seasons, but the other schools will soon
catch on.Yes, it is a disadvantage to BYU because the MC is so
large, but it was not that long ago that the place sold out for every game.
where was all of this uproar about the Vegas homecourt in years past when UNLV
wasn't as good as they are now? That's right. It's okay to have the tourney in
Vegas as long as they don't win. Like its okay to be gay as long as you don't
practice it. With that line of logic your convoluded arguments make sense.
The two people throwing the most punches were Sarah Cummard and Trent Plaisted's
wife. This article was supposed to be about fairness, yet you slide in the (not
so)hidden agenda that vegas is the mother off all ill repute. You guys are
rediculous, they just need to get the tourney to the MGM or the Orleans, or not
have it at all (not likely). However then all the BYU fans will complain about
having to walk through a casino, although the Orleans has a seperate enterance
from the casino, so that looks like the best option. And a word to the wise when
you guys/gals are calling UNLV hideous and bad people, the higher you build up
your pedestal of self-righteousness the further you will fall... Be
nice to each other and don't make sweeping judgments about people's morality
just becuase you can't maturally handle having alcohol and gambling available to
it is laughable that some think BYU would compete in the PAC-10. unless BYU
wants to be the 4th or 5th best team in the PAC-10 year in and year out because
there is a clear difference in the top schools in the PAC-10 compared to the
MWC. ask yourself; is it better to be king of the retards or a
Keep the tournament in Vegas Baby!! The Cougs need to learn to play better in a
rough place. Plus, their nothing like going to the Sports book and placing your
bets on the games then going over and watching them live!! As Paul Newman said
"Money won is twice as sweet as money earned"
Frankly, most of you people have little grasp of what the MWC faces with this
issue.If you want to know what the MWC tournament looks like in
Anahiem, or Phoenix, etc.....just look at the MWC stay in Denver @ the Pepsi
Center before they moved it back to Vegas.I can tell you right now,
it's a money thing, and if you think a weak league like the MWC can afford to
have less exposure and make less money off the tournament, you are dead
wrong.Many of you like to go on tangents about how 'this teams fans
suck' or 'that teams fans suck', but that's besides the point. If this was
about the suckiest fans, then it would be at the Marriott center every year.
My 2 cents worth: The higher ranked team should host the first round games just
as the NIT does, equaling a decent gate for those games. Then the semifinal
games and final game should be held with the regular season champion as host.
The semifinal and final games are packaged as a 3 game deal so that you have to
purchase the package to see your team play. You play the first rounds games
early in the week, leaving the other rounds on Friday and Saturday, meaning you
are ready for Selection Sunday. It's pretty easy to make sure the arena is
reserved at all venues for the week of the tournament in the event that your
team is the regular season champion.It's another league, but the
results so far of home court advantage in the NBA for the second round is the
home team 15, the visitor 1. I don't believe any sane person out there believes
UNLV has no advantage in the present situation, which BTW results also in a
better seeding on Selection Sunday for the NCAA tournament.
I love when a BYU fan is upset, they wanna take the ball and go away to play
with people who won't bring competition. Put another bandaid on the problem,
dynamics will change, if the team does poorly, they will just support the sport
that is doing well, Basketball vs football vs volleyball vs great family
environment vs we do no evil vs you are all on the outside, stay out, unless you
see things are way vs etc. etc., (get the narrow picture????)
its amazing that BYU fans are so arrogant as to think they are even close to
being a good enough school to be in the PAC 10. they play on sundays, so you're
out of luck.its also very funny to me that there are a number of people
that think vegas is some sort of hell on earth that LDS people should not visit.
i really feel bad for you if thats how you think. dont be so narrow minded.
there are places outside of the bubble of happy valley. not to mention that
there are probably 150,000 LDS members in the las vegas valley that seem to do
alright. every time i go to the temple there, its full. AMAZING, temple worthy
people in vegas???we MUST have the tourney in one of the cities
where a conference team is located, doing otherwise would kill ticket sales. vegas is by far the best city to have the games. the problem, which almost
everyone agrees on(including UNLV fans), is that the games need to be at a
neutral court(MGM is the best idea).
How about this Have the games at the Las Vegas convention center I know they
have an arena there and it would be a floor no one would like.
The solution is for BYU to leave the "Mountain Worst Conference" and go to the
PAC 10. Once we dominate that league, which would be quickly, we can go to the
ACC. As long as the baseball team and Judkin's woman's basketball team don't
have to compete in the PAC 10, all will be well. An annual trip to Pasadena CA
in January for the Rose Bowl would also be nice.
How can there be 50 comments on this thread an not one mentions the most obvious
solution of all -- get rid of the tournament all together. Make the
regular season mean something by giving the automatic NCAA bid to the
regular-season champion (with an appropraite tie-breaking procedure all schools
agree to). Publish the league schedule well in advance (several
years) and encourage teams to schedule non-league opponents during league play
to bolster their tournament resumes. Automatic-bid to a tournament
winner is a joke. I would love to know how much money the league
earns from the tournament and compare that with what it could earn from sharing
the take in games where league teams schedule non-league games during the league
schedule, possibly at neutral sites against big-time competition (BYU vs.
Michigan St. or Utah vs. So. Cal at ESA, for example).The only
less-funny joke than an end-of-the-season-"tournament," is a "tournament" played
perpetually on the home court of one league team.
Hold it at ASU.
How about holding the MWC in Energy Solutions Arena? It is no one's home court
and the U & TDS would add considerable fan base to start.
"Then move the tournament to the Marriott Center, permanently. It's the largest
venue and with BYU having a virtual lock on at least making it to the tournament
finals every year..."1. They want someplace people will actually
travel to, where there are things to do. Provo != fun family
destination2. Recent history is not indicative of future success.
Somewhere in the back of my mind, I still recall a 1 (one) win basketball
season. What would your proposal do to keep BYU from becoming the next UNLV?
Ooh! Ooh! I know. Let's pick an undisclosed high school gym and let the teams
play there with only the coaches, players, and refs looking on, and then they
can charge the fans to watch it on the mtn.! Go Hair "Craig" Thompson!(Yes, I get the mtn. thing. The league was going to get jobbed by ESPN, so
they came up with another solution. They should have just done their homework
Utah needs to join the Pac 10 and byu needs to join the WAC so they can have
better tournys and TV deals.
But what would people do when their collective I.Q. goes down 15 points after
being in Provo that long?
BYU, Utah and TCU need to dump the MWC just like we dumped the WAC. It's time
to join a real conference with real leadership and with BCS eligibility.Then BYU and UT need to negotiate a local TV package. I'm appalled at
the current TV situation.
"If any team is a legitimate tournament team they should be able to win
anywhere."Then move the tournament to the Marriott Center,
permanently. It's the largest venue and with BYU having a virtual lock on at
least making it to the tournament finals every year, the conference would be
sure to sell more tickets every year than they sell at the T&M.
There was a reason that UNLV was black balled by the WAC many years ago, which
forced them into the Big West. The facts have not changed all these years later
1- it's a bad city 2- a bad place to take a family, 3- it's a bad place to have
college kids and yes having the MWC hold a tournment there is an Embarrassment
to the League. I would much rather have Utah and BYU in the WAC again so the
tournament could be held at the house John and Karl built at least its off
campus and it would be more fair even if its in Utah at least its not on a home
court you would have three schools with an advantage (I know this will never
happen that does not mean that its not a better solution). I'll never go to the
MMC tournment as long as its in Vegas "What Happens in Vegas stays in Vagas."
UNLV WINS AGAIN.
Seems to me that the only real solution is to do one of the following:Find
a completely neutral site, i.e., Phoenix, S. Cal, find another Vegas site,
Orleans for example, or rotate the tournament each year to a different school.
If you rotate it ticket sales is not a problem because of last-minute down to
the wire seasons to get a winner and each school has a turn in hosting so their
fans don't have to travel. Waiting for the regular season winner could delay
knowing where the tournament would be held and most likely would impact sales
because of travel concerns.Regardless, it has to be taken away from
the T&M. Any conference who would allow the violence and chaos that ocurred
there this year is sending the wrong message to the fans and it will end up
costing them in the long run. I will not go back to the T&M - EVER. And my
money will go to something else instead of the bb tournament.
I went to the tourney two years ago to cheer for BYU. I wasn't looking for a
fight, but by the end of the game I was definitely ready for one. I think the
best thing you could do would be to have separate sections for the different
schools. This way I don't have a dozen drunken Rebels being total jerks two
rows back. If you must keep the event at the Thomas and Mack center, this would
at the very least solve the security issue, even though the fairness issue is
Yup, this MWC thing is a joke. In reading all these posts (some pretty good,
some idiotic), I feel like I'm an outsider reading posts complaining about
unsolvable problems in a nobody conference. Oh, the MWC IS a nobody conference.
Oh, well.BYU will never get the national attention it desires as
long as it's in the MWC. SOS ensures that. It doesn't matter how good BYU is
over its conference rivals, the better athletes will mostly go where they'll
have a better chance at the next level, leaving BYU with only a few top players
(any sport).Rose and Bronco have national dreams that will never be
realized. Too much prejudice out there against BYU's religion, and that darned
SOS will continue to keep the teams (basketball and football) from getting high
enough seeds for a legitimate chance to play for national championships. (If you
don't think SOS factors into basketball seedings, you don't know how they're
My vote is to move it to SLC not to U of U.
Keep it in Vegas, just move it to a floor that UNLV does not play on every day.
The Arenas in MGM or Mandela each will hold 15K and it would be neutral enough
to take away much of UNLV's advantage in the tourney. Come on, I am in my
shorts at a keyboard and can come up with a solution what are we paying the
suits for! On top of that the security would be stronger than anything around.
Having been to a fight night at the MGM I can tell you this, there would be no
fan interference whatsoever.
Dick you are a great embarrassment to your so called profession.
Most of the fighting I saw had BYU player's wives in the middle of it. They
were way worse than Labron's mom last night in the game!
The SOLUTION is simple. Propose to trade venues with the Pack 10. The Pack ten
comes to Vegas and The Mountain West goes to Phoenix. Both Conferences eliminate
the unfairness of home court and they both get a warm climate for fans.
I recall when the WAC tourney did go to the conference winning school. Several
major problems resulted. First, it was difficult on very short notice to
promote the tourney, sell tickets (local and across the league), block hotel
rooms (if the tourney was even in a town with enough existing rooms close to the
site - something even Provo would have trouble with), airline costs on short
notice were high, and if the home town team lost in the early rounds, then the
place was empty. It simply didn't work. Awarding the regular season winner the
automatic NCAA slot would make up for the tourney situation and the home court
advantage problem in Las Vegas. The MWC should be getting two or three teams a
year in the tourney, so even if the league winner also took the tourney, others
could improve their NCAA position by playing well in Vegas. Finally, concerning
security, there are problems with rushing the floor, just as their are problems
with football fans rushing the field after a bowl game. The BYU fans did it
the last two years in Vegas...others have done the same elsewhere. It's
dangerous (tho fun too.)
Simple fix for the "near riot conditions"Don't let wives of BYU
players within 100 yards of the building.
Location, Location, Location: It drives both the residential and commercial
markets in most sectors.Move the venue to S Cal and most of the Wasatch
Front U and Y boosters will not drive or fly. (The same if the venue is in the
AZ or Denver area.) The oblique intimation that Vegas won't work -
because of a jaundiced morality eye - is a concern of a minority, I believe.
Getting the games off the UNLV campus and into another Vegas city arena though
is a most laudable goal - that at least can be tried. MWC
leadership, and many athletic directors followed "Alice" into the rabbit hole
when TV and Thomas Mack Arena contracts were entered into. Who will pop out of
the hole though and demand, enough is enough, time to try something else.Bring to the game to S Cal, it's so family friendly? Part of that
equation is true, lots of diversity; but how many that would have driven to
Vegas are going to say no thanks to the long jaunt to S Cal. I think most would
stay away.Conference leaders will talk about it, and talk about it
more; and then.... we're waiting!
Any one with half a brain can see this is an unfair advantage for UNLV. Even
the new coaches in the conference have a problem with the current situation. If
you moved the tournament to the Pit, Marriot or Huntsman Center it would be the
same story. To me this situation just reinforces the incompetence of the MWC
commissioner Craig Thompson as well as the incompetence of school presidents to
allow this injustice to continue. I agree with the other posts
that the regular season winner should host the tournament on their home court.
This would allow the conference to make the money that they need and reward the
team with the best regular season record. If not a neutral site would be much
better than the current UNLV homer that we have now. No way does UNLV win that
came against TCU this year on a Neutral court!!!
I think it is funny that this whole thing keeps coming up about security. All
the Thomas and Mack has to do is call the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police force
and say we need 100 uniformed officers for security. Las Vegas Metropolitan
Police Department will say what it cost for that and it is done. The other
solution is to have the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department tell Thomas and
Mack that if you want to have this event here you need X number of uniformed
police officers and that will cost you $$$ per officer. My good
friend is the Capitan over these deployments and licenses for the police
department and he said all anybody has to do is call and ask and we will be
there. They just have to pay us. By the way they had over 200 uniformed
officers at the Holyfield /Tyson fight a years ago and the venue requested that
number.... and paid for them to be there. No more excuses from this
league and UNLV.
OK. I have the solution. An arena was just opened here in East Peoria Illinois.
Since central Illinois is a huge spring vacation mecca, I know all of you BYU
fans would love to come here. It is after all just two and a half hours from
Nauvoo. For the fans of all other schools, you can head down to the Para-dice
riverboat and casino, two miles from the new arena. It's not quite got the
glamour of Vegas -- where I served my mission -- but you can flush your money
down the slots just as easily!So, there you have the best solution
to MWC woes. By the way, I'm submitting my name for MWC commisioner . . . .
I would like to take my son to the tournament every year. We would go anywhere
else but, I will not take him to Las Vegas.
Rotate the conference tourney from school to school each year. That way you can
plan it, sell advanced tickets, and each team is rewarded at some point. It's
only recently that a neutral site has gotten so important, but rotation and
reward to each school for being in the conference makes much more sense. Not to
mention cheaper since arena rental rates will be more favorable to the home
team... The main things are to 1) forget the need for a neutral site and 2) stop
giving solely one team the home-court advantage.
ESA is out of the question: The whole point to moving it is that it's a neutral
site.Finding a "central" location geographically doesn't really
matter: a plane ticket to Las Vegas or Anaheim or Pheonix is pretty comparable,
from what I've seen.
I think that somewhere in Southern California is the only other option. The all
mighty dollar is what dictates where these games will be held... and nobody
wants to travel to Utah (or Denver or Dallas for that matter to watch a game).
Let's face it, Las Vegas is a central location that people would actually travel
to. What's there to do in Salt Lake or Denver?? Marriot Center? Ha, this will
NEVER happen. Can you imagine how much $$ the MWC would lose (this would hurt
all teams in the conference).
Dittos on Craig Thompson, although the MWC presidents have an equal amount of
blame (to begin with, they hired the genius; secondly--he's still working
there!). The real mystery here is: why didn't Thompson and the MWC presidents
not think of the home-court issue when they set up the deal in the first place?
Kind of put that in the same bucket as the other mysteries of the MWC: why did
they sign the incredibly damaging TV deal? Why did they settle for the LV Bowl
deal, that locks us in to playing the #4 or #5 team in the PAC-10? It almost seems that the entire crew have no faith in the MWC product, and no
confidence they could have negotiated better deals. Las Vegas and Comcast ended
up laughing all the way to the bank. Never have so many been so
poorly served by so few, for such an interminably long time.
Despite the edge that UNLV has on their home court, Vegas is still the best
location possible for the tournament. I attended this year's tournament and it
was a very enjoyable week, despite Utah's loss to UNLV on their home floor.Is everyone so quick to forget how miserable it was when the tournament
moved to Colorado or wherever it went? Nobody went and nobody watched. Fans
will go to Vegas. Fans will not go to New Mexico, Salt Lake, Denver, Boulder or
anywhere else that isn't a prime location. Southern Cal is the only
real alternative, and that is far from a neutral site that is accessible for
many of the schools. We in Utah will not drive to LA for the tournament, and
attendence will drop considerably. The sensible solution would be
to hold the tournament in Vegas, but not at UNLV. The MGM has a good enough
venue to support the tournament in a good capacity. They could hold the tourney
there until the new NBA arena is built and completed in Vegas.
I love a competitive game whatever the sport, but what happened at the last BYU
vs UNLV was disgraceful. If you don't want the violence and trouble to be
repeated then drastic measures need to be taken to protect the public, players
and media etc.Police Officers need to be present inside AND outside the
stadium.Opposing fans must be segregated.MWC officials to authorise
the installation of CCTV (if not already installed) in order to monitor
potential hot-spots within the crowd and pick out any ring leaders.Any
reoccurence of violence must be dealt with harshly by the Police and Courts.By the way, were those involved in the brawl, arrested, charged and
convicted? If not, then where is the deterent?
First of all, this notion that the tournament is more successful in vegas is a
red herring. About 5,000 people traveled to Denver. About 5,000 people travel to
Vegas. It looks more successful because 10,000 UNLV fans have attended their
games the last two years ... but you could get the same result in SLC, Provo,
SDSU, or UNM.Second, if the MWC really wants to fix the problem, why
are tickets the same price for traveling fans as UNLV fans? If they want to fix
the problem in the stands they should sell discounted tickets through booster
clubs at every school except UNLV. They can offset the loss in revenue by
raising public prices. It's simple economics. Too many UNLV fans?
Raise their cost. Not enough traveling fans? Lower their's. UNLV fans should
pony up and pay more anyway, since they're saving on travel and hotel money
Vegas is a great spot to have it because it makes money and is pretty central to
everybody and it has great weather and other good entertainment. The homecourt
whining is a joke. If any team is a legitimate tournament team they should be
able to win anywhere. Last time I checked Utah or BYU won't be playing any NCAA
tourney games in Salt Lake or Provo, so playing in Vegas is a good tune-up. it
being in Vegas can't be doing that bad because the conference keeps getting
multiple bids and if the only reason UNLV gets into the tournament is because
they have home-court, why do they actually win tournament games away from home?
When Utah was a legitimate tourney team they could win mwc tournaments as well.
Has anybody ever considered the idea that UNLV has a good team and the best
coach in the conference?
The fact is, UNLV would rarely make it out of the first round if the tourny was
played at the Marriot Center or the Huntsman Center.Although, they FINALLY
have a coach in Lon Kruger. That guy puts all the past unlv coaches to shame.
That is a good idea. UNLV fans have shown over and over how classless they are.
Get the tourney out of there. What MWC team wouldn't love to go to CA? Play
on USC's homecourt or somewhere, just NOT the Fakers court where Phil Jackson
How difficult is this? This article makes it sound like these guys are trying
to land a spaceship on Mars or create a new energy source. Come on. We're
talking about trying to get a new venue for playing a basketball tournament.
The Thomas and Mack is a joke. For the past two years it has been a
nightmare. I was there this year and it really was a disaster. The Vegas fans
are hideous and the home court is ridiculous. It's amazing that it has taken
these AD's, Conference Admins, etc this long to figure it out. Wow. Good thing
they don't have real jobs that are driven by results and profits.Get
on the phone, make a few calls, and get it on the schedule. Phoenix seems to
make the most sense - big city, warm climate for Craig and his golfing buddies,
plenty to do, easy to get to, etc. If not, then how about S. Cal. Given the
criteria that is outlined those are the only choices.Make it
happen.But when considering this is the same group who came up with
The Mtn., their incompetence is not surprising.
Why not just do it the way the WAC used to do it: By giving home court advantage
to the team that won the regular season championship. That gives importance to
the regular season, and lowers the possibility of two league champions (which
typically lowers the NCAA seeding for both champion teams). I know
it would make it harder for the MWC to sell tickets in advance, but I don't
think that would necessarily translate into less tickets sold. -If
the championship is held in Salt Lake or Provo, you know that local fans will
sell out games. -If the tournament is held in San Diego, fans will
show up for the warm weather and attractions. -If its held in Las
Vegas, then at least UNLV earned it. -New Mexico is warm(er than the
intermountain west), plus its a centralized location and everyone should attend
a game in The Pit at least once in their life.-Boulder CO is sort of
centralized.-Dallas would be a little far away but let's face it,
TCU isn't going to win the MWC any time in the near future-Laramie
and Ft. Collins...okay, that would be a tough sell.
The MWC needs to select 3-4 arenas that are near its fan centers and rotate the
tournament around every year. Every student at a MWC school should have the
chance for an easy road trip to the tournament at least once in a four-year
cycle. My suggestions:1: SLC / ESA (Close to BYU and Utah)2:
Denver/Pepsi Center (AF, CSU, Wyo)3: Anaheim/Honda Center (UNLV, SDSU)4: Dallas/AA Arena (TCU, UNM)Get those four arenas on a regular
rotation, and make everybody happy. Even though some arenas are still close to
campus, nobody gets home-court more than once in four years.
I know this is irrational and probably not a real solution but, just get out of
the MWC. The TV deal is a joke and now this basketball tourney. If BYU and
either Utah or TCU threatened to leave I think a lot of things would change.
Good luck to the MWC getting UNLV vs San Diego St on national TV. Bottom line is
BYU, Utah, and TCU own this conference and if they got together some good things
The tourney is a money maker for the conference, so it should be wherever the
$$$ potential is greatest. Why have it in a city or stadium that will not
maximize profits? If UNLV gains from that, so be it. We'll just have to be that
much better to beat them.
What is wrong with holding the tournament in Anaheim at the Honda Center? There
is entertainment value that is more family oriented and also fun for all ages.
It's a neutral court and venue. And there is plenty of hotel options in that
area. I mean... you must be a complete idiot to not hold the tournament there.
I don't know what it is going to take for MWC officials to see that having the
tournament in Las Vegas is NOT working. Having UNLV get home court advantage
with lunatic, out-of-control fans is an embarrasement to the league. OH WAIT
... the MWC is already an embarrasment....OK keep the tourney in Vegas baby!
Anaheim is the best choice, for weather, attractions, and family-friendly
venues. Disneyland across the street, Sea World 1.5 hours away, Magic Mountain
1 hour away, the beach 15 minutes away, Universal Studios 40 minutes away,
Hollywood, Beverly Hills, you just can't find anywhere else in the west that
offers so much for families within such a short distance. Oh and did I mention,
a neutral court? Forget AZ, there's nothing to do there.
Why don't these schools that try to preach fairness in their places of learning
take a page from the dictionary and find out what fairness actually means. These
people who are supposed to be so educated are making a lot of uneducated
decisions that are ruining their school programs, except the one school that is
benefitting from it. Wake up and smell the postum,and I am speaking of the two
schools in the state of Utah. Yes, you are making rules and sign contracts that
make the dollars, but you are not being FAIR to those students who you go out
and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to recruit. Fairness is as fairness
does. Good luck.
I go to UNLV and all the UNLV fans say that the site doesn't matter, but they
would be crying as loud if the tourney was at the Marriot center. The thing
that upsets me the most is UNLV hasn't won an outright league title for a long
time but they are rewarded every year by having the tourney on their home court.
There needs to be more of a reward for winning the regular season than a first
round bye. How about hosting the tournament?? Yeah, there are better places to
be in March than Laramie or Ft. Collins, but it makes more sense than giving
UNLV the home-court advantage every year.Or, you could out a
perverse spin on it and let the last-place team host the tournament. They'd
need the home-court advantage even more. We'd be even more likely to end up in
Ft. Collins, but we'd also have a better chance of ending up in San Diego.
Let's not forget about the hotel rooms that normally go for 60.00 - 100.00 a
night mid-week, that were going for 175.00 - 300.00 per night. One thing about
Vegas is, they want it all!
Ah, heck, let's have it in St. George.Yeah, it's a ridiculously
stupid to hold it in an arena that only seats 5,000, but it's a warm
climate--that's all the reason Craig Thompson needs. So crazy he might just do
The first item of business should be to fire Craig Thompson. He has taken the
MWC from an OK conference, to an irrelivant conference in the matter of a few
years. This is mostly due to the disasterous tv deal. Does Mr. Thompson have no
I don't know how they can move it to a non-MWC destination and not lose money on
the deal. Still, giving Las Vegas home court advantage every year isn't fair to
the rest of the league.My suggestion? Move it to Reno or Phoenix.
Having lived in Reno for awhile I know the tournament would be welcomed with
open arms. Phoenix would also be a good choice. Both are easy to get to and
offer a lot of amenities. The only place I wouldn't want to see the tournament
go is California. Why? If BYU failed to make the tournament the Mountain West
wouldn't draw very many locals. Nothing looks worse on TV than half empty
It's all about the $$$, just like the moronic TV deal. Fair competition,
comprehensive TV coverage and national exposure all go out the window in favor
of making a few extra bucks. I'm sure Vegas is greasing the wheels to keep the
tourney there...Craig Thompson is to the MWC what Isiah Thomas was
to the Knicks.