St. George center that helps former FLDS is scrambling for funds
I left home when I was 13 simply because I didn't like being told what to do -
my bad. But I went back home, joined the navy, got my education, and now I'm
very happy and am a good citizen - and have a good relationship w my parents.
Kids are resilient with a support system.But when the parents turn their
backs on their kids forever and won't even acknowledge them unless they pray 50
times a day, well thats just stupid.These people don't care about their
kids unless they do exactly what the parents say and are TOTALLY adherent to
their religion. So they care more about their religion than they care about
their kids. That means they are brainwashed sheep and true idiots.Hear
me, FLDS and supporters? we think you are brainless sheep following a crazy
prophet at the expense of your children and their future. So don't bother
trying for our sympathy - you've shown your true colors and they are ugly, mean,
cruel, and uncaring. You don't deserve children, and they don't deserve the
hopeless fate you have in store for them.
i have a lot of friends who ran away from home from every religion out there.
the people of this world need to search for more truth about the lost boys
before they think they are picked on. by the way if you are not former flds, can
you not join the lost boys? how many of these boys ran away because they did
crimes they shouldn't have and just claim they were kicked out (like Flora May
did, her being a child bride was her own choice, she went and found the boy).
If the church kicks out a married man, his harem stays in the church and is
"reassigned". If one of those wives is then kicked out, the children are kept
in the harem. That means that the church separates biological parents from
their children. Would the parents try to get them back? Probably.
Where would the church likely put them? I'm guessing a fortress. How big were
the wall at YFZ? 10 foot?If this theory is correct, then the genetic
evidence from the Texas case will show that some number of the kids (I'll guess
at least 20) don't correspond to any adults at the ranch. My question to those
of you who defend these people is this: if any of these kids don't belong to the
people taking care of them, would you support prosecuting the church for
kidnapping? Does the church have the right to take kids from their parents?
The parents kicked out the kid because he stayed out too late and refused to be
brainwashed. His overly strict parents did him a favor. I wonder if this lost
boy committed these minor infractions to get a free ticket out of that messed up
Lost in a lost world.
G... I agree. I know of several people who have done interviews (for other
media) that were not used because they didn't tell tales of water boarding
babies, incest or the like. The article here actually is pretty good. I know
Matt Bauer personally and I know that the reporters did a great job of being
true to the interview. To answer the question of where are the
"lost boys" (commonly known term) and what do they do and how many are there...
I've lived in Utah (I guess that's a "duh"), Arizona, Idaho and
California.I have a job, pay bills, hang out with friends, read, play
video games, camp... and the list goes on. People that I have contact with from
there have similar stories. Sorry to disappoint you if there was something
bizzare that you expected. How many... a BUNCH... Give or take a few.
I don't need someone to blame for my problems. Life is what it is. I know for
a fact that you don't have to be part of a "hated minority group" to play victim
to your circumstances. These boys aren't asking for much besides a safe place
to get their feet under them. I don't see the Lost Boys trying to throw blame
for their problems anywhere. They are getting some help through some difficult
times in their life, accepting a helping hand from a community and individuals
who are offering their help. I would like to see more programs out there geared
towards solutions. Everyone can use a helping hand at some point in their lives.
Why begrudge these young men the assistance that is being offered willingly???
It wasn't available to me at hard times in my life... but I'm not bitter about
"I don't think it's right to take all their kids away, even if it's one case of
abuse if there's even that," said Simon, who was asked to leave Short Creek
(the name for Hildale and Colorado City). "I really don't think there's as much
abuse as they say there is. I mean, I wasn't abused.""Of
course most of the media isn't going to report this person's opinion because it
doesn't bring in ratings like waterboarding babies does.
I was raised in SLC and attended Alta Academy under Warren. I've been out for
just over 10 years. I also wish there was something like the house off Bluff
when I left. I don't see why I need to define myself by my past. I am a person
who's trying to find his place in life, just like most people. I'm
pretty sure that there are messed up people in every religion. If there was
abuse in a Mormon community I'm pretty sure that the government wouldn't swoop
in and take all the children in the community out forcefully. Ending polygamy will not solve the problem. Abuse happens all over the world
in and out of religions. I don't mean to minimize abuse. No matter what
religion or political position someone holds they should be held accountable for
their actions. Also, I think it is sad if anyone goes against
better judgment because anyone (prophet, boss, government, parent,
advertisement) tells them to choose as such. It takes strength to go against
the norm. I don't know of any motives for the expulsion of these boys or
girls... I just know it is a hard road on both sides.
Why couldnt I have been born into a Minority hated group so I would have someone
to Blame all my Problems on, all I can say to all you "lost boys" is Grow up!!!
It's one thing to have some rules and structure in your house... It's another
when you force a prison-like structure upon a child and kick them out if they
make one mistake.I would have no problem if the FLDS would:1 - stop
marrying off teens to their relatives and let them choose their mate (this isn't
afganistan).2 - provide them with the tools to survive on their own if
they choose to leave (just like the rest of us do).3 - don't lock them
behind 10 ft walls and a guardtower.4 - stop kicking out boys and men and
re-assigning their families to their brothers, etc.I mean, COME
ON!!!! How stupid is this? I read what I just wrote above and I'm thinking -
why do these people lack even basic common sense? Perhaps if they would do
what's RIGHT instead of what some idiot (that thinks he's a prophet - lol) is
telling them to do, then they would be ok. No one cares that they dress
differently - just that they care for all their children, not just the ones that
they want to marry to their cousin. So crazy....
Kick out a 15 year old Bruce and "Not cast out"? "I feel like everyone is taking
crazy pills!" I bet you don't get the reference. You can't be serious! If you have a child with issues, you work with them, love them and give them
the support they need to make the right choice. Not kick them out on the street
with no money, food, shelter, education or future. That is not a responsible
parent. If these donkeys behinds value family so much, why don't they grasp this
simple concept.If anything it shows that the society they live in
can't stand up to a challenge. Rather than answering a challange, they simply
rid themselves of it and pretend it doesn't exist. Like an employee who chooses
to leave and the company treats them like a traitor afterwards.
I'd like to know--where are the LOST BOYS??? Where are they and what are they
doing? How many are there? We never hear anything to where they really are. It
all looks pretty fishy if you ask me.
I sincerely feel for the mothers who are having their kids possibly taken away.
However I have to ask myself how do these mothers feel when their young teen
boys are kicked out of the house and out of the community never to be seen
again?Definately this FLDS community needs a shake up. I just hope
it can be done without breaking up their families.
I agree with you Concerned for America. Two wrongs don't make a right. You don't
traumatize small children and their mothers by ripping them part.
It's interesting that you never hear about any girls being kicked out of the
FLDS community. That "stay sweet" training program they have for the girls must
be working really well.
I sometimes feel like we're not getting the whole story with most of these young
men. If a person has been raised to know what's right, has been given the
opportunities to choose to do what's right, and still refuses...I think that a
parent has the right, and obligation to others in the home, to ask the young man
to go elsewhere until he chooses to live by the rules of the household.
Good for the State of Texas. I think they saw the problem, childre at risk, and
took care of it.
Parents of rebellious children still have the responsibility to support them.
They still have to see that they are fed, housed, clothed and educated. They
could keep them in their own homes or ship them off to military school, but they
are still responsible for their well-being. When my younger brother
rebelled against my parents religious teaching they didn't drive him to the
nearest town and drop him off at a homeless shelter. He lived in our house, ate
our food, and was supported through college by my parents. He still doesn't
live the way my parents wish he would, but he is always welcome in their home.
These boys never see their families again, have no life skills or
education and have to rely on the charity of others to live. How
can you defend that?
They have a choice? Do something that you don't believe in or leave. That's
not a choice. That's a lack of options. When parents have children it is their
responsibility to provide for them until they are 18 years old. Telling your
teenage son that he HAS to do something or he's no longer welcome is NOT
parenting. It is AGAINST the law. Then again, so is having adult relations
with a child. Stick up for law-breakers though, they need the help. Not cast
out. Chose to leave. Not an adult. Teenager without hope. ANGRY!
Water boarding babies?!?! Where do you people get this stuff? The fact that
these teenage boys are free to rebel and choose to leave puts a lie to the
claims of brainwashing. The FLDS certainly sounds like a strict, conservative
society. I'm not surprised that many young men choose to leave. U.S. society
in general certainly doesn't produce any rebellious young men or teenagers that
runaway. Open your eyes people! Which is worse, insisting that a
young man abide by home rules if he lives there or letting a young man engage in
whatever debauchery and rebellion he chooses and doing nothing about it (like so
many of these supposedly good parents I see all around me in the U.S.). This
world isnt perfect. Nor are any of us parents in it perfect. Everyone needs to
look a little more in the mirror and a little less down their noses at other
people.Back to water boarding, I think the same people harping on
the ills of the FLDS tend to be the same self-righteous ones that support "W" in
his pursuit of water boarding as an acceptable practice. Now there is something
to be angry about.
The story of the Lost Boys is heartbreaking, but it comes down to simple math.
Think about it-- the men in this community/church marry several women and stick
to marrying within their own group. This is not sustainable over a couple
generations, since over time you will end up with a fairly equal number of boys
and girls. There must be more women than men in order to keep practicing
polygamy; therefor, they find accuses to kick out their "excess" teenage boys.
The whole setup is simply horrendous, from the child brides, to the brainwashing
of children, to the Lost Boys.
I couldnt agree more with you...Nauseating.Some of the posts I read here...I
just say to myself..."you have got to be kidding"!!..How in the world can some
posters actually condone the way of life inflicted on these people as GOOD. I
see nothing good about Warren Jeffs controlling mind games. I sure in the heck
cant understand, why Merrill Jessops isnt setting in a cell next to Jeffs.
Hopefully before this is all said and done...he will be. For someone, or anyone
for that matter...who can torment a little baby with water boarding and see
nothing wrong with it...has to be one sorry excuse for a human being !
He was not cast out. He could not stay because he would not conform to the
rules. He was offered the opportunity but did not take it. Completely normal
behaviour for a teenagers who leave mainstream households in similar numbers.
The more I read about these people, the more I can see why they want to isolate
themselves from the rest of you.
Two wrongs don't make a right. You don't traumatize small children and their
mothers by ripping them part.
The lost boy says that he wasn't abused? But he was cast out and abandoned!
That is abuse!!!! He was so far in it that he can't see the forest through the
trees. Of course he is attached to those that he grew up with. But they have
betrayed him. Abuse.
The fate of FLDS child "brides" gets the most attention but the lost boys'
stories are equally heartbreaking.The treatment all these children
receive is worse than something from Dickens.It is nauseating to
continue to read FLDS appologist and justifiers on these boards, the depraved
indifference to the cruelty these children suffer is beyond comprehension.
I, for the life of me...can not even comprehend how in the heck, any parent can
turn their back on their children. Then on the other hand, after reading every
thing I can find on the FLDS, watching interviews with ex-members, watching
videos of Warren Jeffs..etc,...I have come to the conclusion...these young boys
are the lucky ones...kind of like a blessing in disguise.
What do you mean they soon will be able to take care of their own??????If we eliminate the problem, polygamy, then the children are not in the
situation in the first place.c'mon let's not put a bandaid on the
situation. Let's resolve it for good!!!
The story of the lost boys is so frequently covered that the shock effect is
wearing off. It is a story that should receive lots of coverage, but we must
also retain our shock and outrage. How is it that the FLDS church
has amassed millions of dollars but no money can be spent on preparing boys for
life outside of the sect? How is it that parents care so little for their
underage sons that they can simply abandon them? Why have they not taken on the
responsibility to prepare these boys for life outside of the church? Forcing
underage children out of their community for coming in late from a movie is like
giving the death penalty to someone who forges a check. This is just one more
piece of evidence that the church is more important to these parents then the
welfare of their children. When they gave birth to these children, they took on
a responsibility to love, educate and meet their other needs until they were 18.
And once again, society is left holding the bag. Society has to deal with all of
the fallout resulting from FLDS poor parenting.