Pagan?"don't RESTRICT the option of choice from
American's...Who's restricting? Just don't want to pay for it.
Mr. Obama campaigned for 18 months from April 2007 to Oct. 2008 to reform health
care; he won and he delivered what the people wanted. No surprises.
Re: alt134If the President has the power to force the citizens to buy
something then where would you draw the line? You act as if the House is
irrelevent to these kind of laws, and furthermore, that it should be. The House
is truly the representative of the people at the most basic level of federal
government. If you don't see that or agree with that, then yes, one would
believe you would rather have government by dictatorial rule. Fine if he is
your dictator, but what will you think if a Republican President comes in and
imposes his law on something you are opposed to? You've got to look a bit more
long term before signing off on My President Obama can't do no wrong.
worfObama didn't write the healthcare bill. Congress did. Republicans (until they quit) and Democrats in Congressional committees worked
for many months on drafting the healthcare bill. Actually, the
contraceptive coverage mandate is not new. A majority of states, as well as all
federal employees have contraceptive coverage as s part of their healthcare
coverage. What is new is that contraceptive coverage not have a deductible. Time for the U.S. Conf. of Bishops to embrace modern medicine which
'If you want an abortion... go get it. But DON'T force me or religious
institutions to pay for it against our religious beliefs.' - 2 bits | 10:19 a.m.
Feb. 10, 2012 Along this same train of thought if you don't like
birth control... don't RESTRICT the option of choice from
American's... to buy it. Otherwise, we have situations
like this: *'Judge releases beaten teen, citing state's abortion
law' - By Emiley Morgan - Published by DSNews - 10/14/09 'A
17-year-old girl who paid a man to beat her in the hopes of terminating her
pregnancy has been...' - article This x17 year old girl.
Who factually did NOT have access to birth control, was told she could not get
an abortion (she could, but didn't)... and paid a man to BEAT her,
until she lost the pregnancy.
@procuradorfiscalActually it kinda is free and the insurance companies
will want to provide them. Why? Because covering pregnancies is more expensive.
There's a cost-cutting incentive. (And if there is a little bit of leftover cost
then that means the people who aren't part of the exempt group would be paying a
couple bucks more in premiums).
@A1994"Whether you believe contraception is a health issue or not,
having the federal government MANDATE that a church has to provide coverage for
contraception is an infringment of the bill of rights. "28
states already had this policy in place from Massachusetts to Georgia.@2bitsAbortion isn't involved here...@Mountanman"Who gave him the power to force Americans to buy anything?"The 55% of people who supported the birth control policy?"This is how dictators get power"*Yawn* Typical
conservative hyperbole while Obama goes and plays the adult in the room and gets
a resolution to this issue before the House even gets around to voting on it.
When Obama took office, he immediately pushed the health car bill. How in a
short amount of time, could he write thousands of pages of health care? It must
have been written prior to the election, and he was simply the messenger.I don't think he knew about this birth control policy or have read the
entire contents of the bill.
A1994, I think you have the part about Obamas power for the second term, but
then he might throw out the Constitution and declare him and his cronies
president for life. How is that for scary.
A1994"The government has no right to mandate this on the
churches."Churches are exempt from the healthcare mandate, but
not all religiously affiliated institutions are exempt. Furthermore, there's no constitutional mandate that churches be tax exempt or
not be required to make financial reports public either.
Re: "Obama revamping birth control policy"Yeah -- to make
it worse!Just for the record -- there's no such thing as free birth
control or abortion pills. Someone has to pay for them, and it won't be the
insurance companies.It'll be you and me and everyone who buys
insurance -- including the Catholic Church and others whose beliefs are violated
thereby.As usual, what is touted by socialist secularists as a
generous offer to "compromise" is actually a disingenuous, insulting,
my-way-or-the-highway assault on religion and decency.
So very many of you people are missing the most important point here! Who does
Obama think he is? Who gave him the power to force Americans to buy anything?
This has nothing to do with women's health, its about your freedom! If Obama has
no consitutional authority whatseever to force insurance companies or anyone
else to buy ANYTHING! This is how dictators get power, increntally claiming is
for our own good. Our grand parent would never have put up with this and neither
Article--"instead will demand that insurance companies will be the ones
directly responsible for providing free contraception."This
seems like a back-down on the President's part but basically the institutions
providing their employees with insurance will still be the ones made to pay,
Catholic or otherwise, as there is no way the insurance companies will absorb
the cost. They will pass the cost on in some way.
I think a woman should have the right to choose if she will get an abortion or
not. That's her decision and she will be responsible for the eternal
consequences.But having the RIGHT to choose is not the issue here.
That's already been decided in the courts (Row V Wade). The issue here is who
PAYS for your abortion. A woman has the right to choose to have an
abortion, but that choice should cary some responsibility (like paying for it or
carrying insurance that will pay for it). Religious institutions where
abortion is strictly against their beliefs should NOT be forced to pay for
abortions. I should not be forced to pay for abortions (where I think the
practice of abortion as abhorant and against everything Christ taught). I have
no problem with insurance companies paying for abortions (that's THEIR
decision). But I do have a problem with the government FORCING people to not
follow their religious beliefs... and provide/pay for abortions. That was
already made law by Congress BTW (that tax payers don't have to fund abortions).
Look it up. There are already laws that prevent the Fed government from
funding abortions with tax dollars (because it's against so many American's
religious beliefs).If the American people feel so strongly about
this that it's against the law for the Federal Government to fund abortions...
the Federal Government should not be able to FORCE the people and institutions
of faith that abhore abortions to pay for them.If you want an
abortion... go get it. But DON'T force me or religious institutions to pay for
it against our religious beliefs.
Okay. For those of you who can't wrap your head around why churches are so
angry about this, here it is: Whether you believe contraception is a health
issue or not, having the federal government MANDATE that a church has to provide
coverage for contraception is an infringment of the bill of rights. The
government has no right to mandate this on the churches. If Obama
gets a second term, I think even a lot of his most ardent supporters will be
stunned by the power grabs that will take place. With no worry about
re-election, this guy is going to go crazy on the Constitution.
"We believe the compliance mechanism does not compromise a woman's ability
to access these critical birth control benefits"Why is this a
'woman' only issue? Should all birth control be available free? Is that not a
couple's decision on not left up to the woman only?
This is how the system should work. It should be flexible enough for
compromises to be made.
The worst thing Obama could do is cave to the Christaban...
Churches who receive one dollar from the US government for schools and hospitals
should know there are strings attached; churches should not depend on the
government for money and then complain about the mixing of doctrine and the
'I would be so ticked if I voted for Obama. He proposed this huge agenda and
made gigantic promises... and has flaked and folded on almost all of them
when it threatened his re-electability.' - CottageCheese | 9:38 a.m. Feb. 10,
2012 Promise:*'Obama HRC Speech: "I Will End Don't Ask,
Don't Tell," Says President Obama' - By CHRISTINE SIMMONS - Huffington Post
- 10/10/09Delivery:*'Obama signs 'don't ask, don't tell'
repeal' - By Pauline Jelinek - AP - Published by DSnews - 12/22/10Promise:*'Obama to pull combat troops from Iraq by August 2010' - CNN -
02/26/09Delivery:*'Last U.S. combat brigade leaves Iraq' - By
Rebecca Santana - AP - Published by DSNews - 08/19/10 Bonus: **'Obama marks Iraq wars end with salute to troops' - by Erica Werner -
AP - Published by DSNews - 12/14/11 **'Osama bin Laden Killed:
'Justice Is Done,' President Says' - By DEAN SCHABNER - ABC News - 05/01/2011 So, CC are you saying you would rather have access to birth control
instead of... the death of Osama Bin Laden, 14,000 more troops in
the military, and the end of the war in Iraq?
@CottageCheeseIt's not a flipflop if he still got what he wanted, just in
a way that is more agreeable to the opposition. Flipping would be completely
scrapping the plan and opposing it. Flopping would be then going back to
supporting it.As for his huge agenda and folding on parts of it...
that's largely because we have a legislature and getting things through them is
oftentimes the hard part. Whhy would I want someone like him in the white house?
Because the economy is getting better (23 straight months of job growth), wars
are winding down (no Yemen and Libya are not comparable to Iraq/Afghanistan, we
hadn't even deployed any troops or lost any in those two), and I think the
Republicans plans are more of the same garbage that got us into this economic
mess to begin with.
I would be so ticked if I voted for Obama. He proposed this huge agenda and
made gigantic promises...and has flaked and folded on almost all of
them when it threatened his re-electability.Why on earth would we
want someone like this in the white house?
28 states already had the original plan in place, some Catholic universities
already offer contraceptin coverage, and 52% of Catholics supported the original
plan (vs about 40% opposed since some were undecided). Nevertheless, Obama is
the adult in the room and while everyone else was parading outrage to cameras he
got a solution reached.
Political Pandering by President Obama!? Fliiiiiiiip Flooooooop!
Because Obama is up for re-election this year he is changing this law. But just
wait - if he gets a second term all heck will break loose.
I don't under stand the up roar about this. 99% sexually active women
interviewed by the CDC between 2006-2008 have used birth control in their lives
and 63 percent currently used some form of birth control. Who is so angry about
**'Romney Maintained Massachusetts Contraception Requirement That Mirrors Obamas
Rule' - By Igor Volsky - Think Progress - 02/07/12 'In 2002 the
very same year Romney campaigned for governor of Massachusetts the state
enacted a contraceptive equity law that REQUIRED insurers that provide
outpatient benefits to cover hormone replacement therapy and ALL FDA-approved
contraceptive methods.' article
If Obama can control schools, why not churches?