BYU football notebook: Cougars handling rotating roster consistently

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  • Target Provo, Utah
    Feb. 11, 2012 7:32 p.m.

    Yeah. Good call, Duck and Stitches. How is he exempt from the rules? It would be one thing if his comments actually SAID something, but, like Collin wrote, he just talks and talks but doesn't actually say anything!

    I like what fresnogirl wrote. She cut right to the point. It does not matter so much where the prognosticators put you BEFORE the season only where the pollsters put you at the end of it!

  • In Stitches Provo, Utah
    Feb. 11, 2012 7:00 p.m.

    Naval Vet | 9:41 p.m. Feb. 9, 2012
    Philadelphia, PA

    449 words... that's OVER 200 right?

  • Collin Card Provo, Utah
    Feb. 11, 2012 6:11 p.m.

    Naval Vet: Habla y habla y no dice nada.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 10, 2012 9:32 p.m.

    Hmmmm.....another 1000 word post by naval vet, a utah "fan". Why is it that utah "fans" can post more than 200 words but BYU fans cannot?

  • Deep Thoughts Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2012 12:08 p.m.


    Well stated!

  • In Stitches Provo, Utah
    Feb. 10, 2012 12:06 p.m.


    "When it comes down to it, what your recruiting class is ranked does not matter nearly as much as what your TEAM is ranked at the END of the season."

    Love it!

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Feb. 10, 2012 11:48 a.m.


    I had to laugh at your post.

    It IS such a girl comment, but one that I've heard many a girl say.

    I also think it's funny that 8 out of the 18 comments belong to someone who claims to hate BYU. It reminds me of a toddler interrupting the grownups by yelling, "Look at me! Look at me! Look at me!"

    When it comes down to it, what your recruiting class is ranked does not matter nearly as much as what your TEAM is ranked at the END of the season.

  • nottyou Riverton, UT
    Feb. 10, 2012 11:45 a.m.

    Utefan: The more you trash the BYU program, the sweeter it will be when the BYU pounding comes. It may not be this year, but given the odds, it will come and then what have ye to say about the lowly Cougars?

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Feb. 10, 2012 9:43 a.m.

    RE: Naval Vet-- Per "me", thank you for your support of BYU football and sports in general. Must be a pretty slow sports season "up on the hill" for you to pay equal attention to Kyle (who I have always liked and respected) and company?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 9, 2012 9:41 p.m.

    Correction: Those 12 RMs are not all a part of Mendenhall's 2010 class. I just checked. Only 2 are: Kaufusi and Hannemann. Tialavea is from his 2005 class, and the remaining 9 were from his 2009 class. While verifying, I noticed some pretty interesting facts:

    Per Rivals, the 2005 class comprised of one 4-star, two 3-stars, and thirteen 2-star recruits. As the sole 2005 recruit returning for the 2012 season, Tialavea represents HALF of that year's 30star recruits, and ONE-THIRD of the recruits rated over 2. But one recruit isn't a large enough sample to conclude anything at this point. So let's move forward to 2009...

    Per Rivals, the cougars' 2009 class ranked #50, and comprised of two 4-star, fourteen 3-star, and five 2-star recruits. Bronco counted all 21 recruits to get to grab that final spot on Rivals Top-50 Recruiting classes. But now he wants to count 9 of them again. That's 42.9% of a class that had already been counted. And the recruits he wants to double-dip are as follows: 50% of his 4-star recruits; 50% of his 3-star recruits [hmmm, starting to look like a trend here]; but only 20% of his 2-star recruits.

    Per Rivals, at #40, the 2010 class was the best recruiting class in cougar history. Looking at the double-dip that Bronco is attempting to include in his 2012 class as well includes 33.3% of his 4-star recruits -- or 50% if you exclude Jake Heaps -- but only 11.1% of his 2-star recruits.

    So what is it with 2-star recruits at the Y? Out of the 12 RMs, only 2 were awarded 2-stars. And that's despite the fact that out of those 3 recruiting years, 27 recruits were awarded 2. That's 42.9% of all recruits. But let's throw out 2005, as I believe it may still be a bad sample. Let's just count 2009 and 2010. Now there are fourteen 2-star recruits; or 29.8% of recruits. So if nearly 30% of the Y's recruits are 2-star athletes, why are only 16.7% of the 12 RMs 2-star recruits? Are 2-star athletes encouraged to NOT go on a mission? Or do they go on missions only to find their scholarships have been revoked upon returning? Or is this just Bronco's way of making it appear as though the double-dipped RM class is stronger than it really is? Is this "recruiting model" of counting every H.S. senior, including the ones who won't suit up in the Fall in order to serve their missions -- to appear nationally competitive -- then taking half the 3- and 4-star recruits from THAT class, and lumping them in again with some future class [also counting players leaving on their missions...], and gloss over the 2-stars in key positions where depth may be of concern, the way Bronco will hoodwink Holmoe and their fans into believing they're keeping up with their Big Brother in the Pac-12?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 9, 2012 7:44 p.m.

    When Mendenhall gets paid, the payroll department automatically deposits his salary into his bank account, and presumably, Mendenhall subsequently pays a 10% tithe. But when he withdraws some of that cash from an ATM, does he pay ANOTHER 10%? Or had that sum already been reconciled upon his initial tithe? Because it's the same principle as to whether or not Mendenhall can legitimately include those 12 RMs who were recruited in his 2010 class into his 2012 class.

    It's obvious Mendenhall is just trying to mask the fact that he got TROUNCED, by way of comparison, to the class Whittingham just hauled in. Folks in the "Bubble" might buy it, but outside it, we're calling it double-dipping.

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    Feb. 9, 2012 6:28 p.m.

    @ Jarka-rus

    "you know what's a total sham? A #110 ranked offense and claiming you are some powerhouse Pac team. Now that is hype".

    That team with the #110 ranked offense put up 54 points on BYU's sorry defense.

    The difference between the BYU hype and the Utah hype is: Roscoe Mendenhall declares preseason National Champions and the school sells "Quest to Perfection" t-shirts before the season starts. Kyle Whittingham stresses "One game at a time" and the school prints "Quest Perfected" t-shirts after they complete an undefeated season. That's the difference!

  • Scott Farcus Beaver, UT
    Feb. 9, 2012 5:44 p.m.

    @ Katiebugg

    "His jackets and shirts always are too big. He looks like he's still growing into his big brother's hand-me-downs."

    Your very astute. thats Coach Whits (the big brother's) hand-me-downs. He had no need for Blue!

    Hang in there Band of Lil Brothers

  • Katiebugg Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2012 5:22 p.m.

    This is so obviously a girl statement ... BUT I really wish the coach would wear clothes that fit him. His jackets and shirts always are too big. He looks like he's still growing into his big brother's hand-me-downs. Somebody please give the man the name of a good tailor! I love everything else about the coach. That just drives me crazy though.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 9, 2012 3:51 p.m.

    "...we have more players come and go through our program than any other program in the country. ⦠How do you reconcile that? How can it be one of the most consistent programs in the world, and have the most turnover?" -- Bronco Mendenhall

    You know darn well how, Bronco. You "consistently" play a slate of weak-WAC teams, and a cupcake FCS opponent, to inflate your W/L record enough to get to 10-wins. "The model has been set." You've said it yourself.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 9, 2012 3:48 p.m.


    There's a big difference between coaching staffs at Oklahoma talking about playing for a National Championship than likewise for the cougars' staff. And that big difference is that Oklahoma "consistently" starts their seasons in the NC hunt, while the Y "consistently" does NOT. So yeah, people will jeer when the cougars do it, but not when Sooners do.

  • Mid-Major Cougars San Diego, CA
    Feb. 9, 2012 2:51 p.m.

    "The number of people that have seen us play has been absolutely remarkable,"...

    More people watched the 54-10 game...

  • AZJazzFan Gold Canyon, az
    Feb. 9, 2012 1:15 p.m.

    Great to read about college football in February. Thanks to the positive posts. To the others like Silent Lurker, take advice from the first word in that name, there is already enough negativity out there. If you read something positive like this and you take a negative out of it, that is telling of who you are. Can't wait for next season already. I am thinking BYU will start out being ranked about 18 or so. Go Cougs! Go hype!

  • don17 Temecula, CA
    Feb. 9, 2012 12:22 p.m.

    Silent Lurker:

    Why not hype your team? Every single good program does it. That keeps your school name in front of recruits, especially local ones and ones following the team. Having graduated from BYU and Oklahoma I can say there is little difference in coaches statements, news article posts and stories. Similar comments are made on rankings, bowl games, and goals whether you had a great year, good year or otherwise. Eleven major stories put into a series reflecting on thoughts from numerous coaches on the U of O staff was the format the last 9 days.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Feb. 9, 2012 12:18 p.m.

    So. Cal Reader

    I agree with your diagnosis, but I'll withhold judgement on it.

    Time will tell if BYU was the trailblazer for a television contract that other leaders will soon also demand, or if we continue to find ourselves standing alone.

    If Bronco can take this consistency and turn it up a few notches, BCS games, whatever that means in the future, will come.

    If not, the arm chair quarterbacks will all say we should have sold while the market was high.

  • TCnewsie Tooele, UT
    Feb. 9, 2012 11:10 a.m.

    So what is better? Being named All-Independent lineman or All-Mountain West lineman? I mean there aren't many independent teams in the nation and the only real decent football team (beside BYU) is Notre Dame. On the other hand, the Mountain West has 8 or 9 teams (I can't remember) but most of those teams aren't very good. It is kind of a toss up.

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Feb. 9, 2012 10:44 a.m.

    I beyond tired of the "exposure" excitement. In my opinion, the ESPN "exposure"/contract, as much as I obviously like it as a fan, is what has gotten in the way of the Cougs joining other current BCS eligible conferences. That's why I think the "esposure" excitement & constant references by Cougs coaching and amin. staff has gone on long enough. I'll get really excited once BYU Football is in the BCS discussions for BCS bowl game consideration, and that is still clearly years away.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Feb. 9, 2012 10:43 a.m.

    hahaha thank you cabin fever, I agree.

    you know what's a total sham? A #110 ranked offense and claiming you are some powerhouse Pac team. Now that is hype.

  • Cabinfever Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 9, 2012 9:05 a.m.

    It always amazes me that some lurkers insist Cougar fans or media are not allowed to speak of the team or the upcoming season. Somehow it's "hype" which is not acceptable. News flash: fans like to speak of players and hopes for the upcoming season. Not so hard to understand really. Good info piece DN! Keep em comin!

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 9, 2012 7:52 a.m.

    It always amazes me that so much can be make out of so little. The BYU hype machine is in full swing again. Another February sham-ponsi-ship!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Feb. 9, 2012 6:53 a.m.

    There are some impressive names among the RM's who are likely to have a big impact on the team in their first year back. I would not be suprised to see Bills, Kaufusi and Tialeva all starting in September.

    Every year, there are a few surprises. There are always a few kids who are not even in the discussion at this point who end up having a break out year and making a major impact. For example, last year at this point if you would have told me the Nelson would beat out Heaps as the starter in the early part of the year (and not because of injury) I would have never believed you.

    At the same time, there are alway a few players who are expected to have a great year, but for some reason don't. It could be because of injury, it could be because of academic standing, or it could be because of work ethic and they simply did not put the time, effort and dedication into preparing themself to succeed.

    But this looks like a great group of athletes coming in, and I can't wait to see the success stories in the Fall.