@John Pack Lambert"Personally I support Rick Santorum, because he is
overall the candidate who I most agree with on vital social issues and who I
most can bring myself to support. "I heavily disagree with
Santorum on pretty much everything since I'm a liberal and he's the most solidly
conservative of the four (no Paul fans... he's not a conservative, he's a
libertarian) but I feel bad for him. He's being done in by the presence of big
money (Romney backing superpacs spent 14 million in florida) and the base's
demand for a jerk (at least I think that's what fuels Gingrich's support...).
@Riverton Cougar"Do you realize that 97% of blacks voted for Obama?
What's the difference between that and this?"Because over 90%
voted for Kerry too showing that it was more a matter of political party rather
than his race. Here's a better comparison. In the heavily LDS Utah primary
Romney got 89% of the vote despite running against 3 opponents (McCain Huckabee
Paul) and not even being the eventual nominee. Obama got 77% of the vote in
heavily black Washington D.C. against one opponent Clinton.
The Church is very strong in Nevada and tend to lean toward the right wing of
the Repub Party. The Union is also strong in Nevada and tends to
lean towards the Dem Party. Many Mormons belong to both.I have never seen a Cascus as a Free Election, by and of the people, Most of a
gathering of a few to decide for the many. In reality less then that but we
don't want the post rejected.
Pagan - and the author of the article - are missing the point. The only reason
that the Mormon religion is important in this race is because of all the
misinformed or intolerant people who will not vote for any Mormon. I (and
those I know in my neighborhood) do not support someone merely on the basis of
religion. I support Romney because of his leadership, values, and experience.
He LIVES his "family values." Oh - and one of the main reasons Utahns
support Romney is that we saw him in action, saving the 2002 SLC Winter
Like Jesus, I believe that which belongs to Caesar belongs to Caesar, and that
of god to god. We should never let the beliefs of one group establish the laws.
The Sunday ban of beer and liquor sales in Utah is completely unconstitutional.
The most important issues we have as a country are federal spending and
governments role in our economy, and our military involvement around the world.
Gay marriage, drug use, and any other social issue should be left to the freedom
of each individual. The only social issue I think we should outlaw is abortion
because I view it as murder. I don't need Mitt, Rick, or Newt telling me whom I
can marry, when I can drink, or how many wives I can have. Let me decide, and as
long as my decisions do not compromise the freedoms of anyone else then why does
it matter to anyone what I do. It's pathetic that certain groups should try to
impose their beliefs of everyone else.
What qualifications should a candidate have? Should he honor his marriage vows?
Should he be honest in his business dealings? Should he have experience in
business, particularly when the economy is THE problem? Should he have a
history of working well with people of all faiths, of all political parties, of
all walks of life? Should he respect the Constitution and be willing to limit
his authority, as President, to those duties given to him by the people?Which candidate most closely has those qualifications? My vote is for
"Mormons support Romney"Big surprise there.
Four 3-plus years we've heard the term "kool-aid." Well, the Romney
"kool-aid" seems to be flowing steady. Wonder how long it will last,
especially when/if he becomes president.
LDS who read their scriptures, know that they are to befriend the law of the
land which is constituional as it supports the principle of freedom in
maintaining rights and privileges, belonging to ALL mankind.Astute
and scholarly mormons can then use their own discernment in choosing a candidate
who has a record of supporting those written guarantees of rights for
individuals as found in the US Constitution.
Harry Reid (Mormon) vs Someone (not Mormon) with a more conservative view? I
will give you a hint not Not Bro Reid. Romney vs Gingrich? Throw
the Mormon thing out and to me it is not a very hard decision. Based on
Character and direction. Does that mean that Gingrich does not have some ideas
I like? No, But more with Romney. I just can not look up to someone like
Gingrich. I do not vote by religion or party but the odds of someone
having the same basic ideas and understanding of what should be done is extremly
high. But many Christian leaders fit this same mold. I do cross a few lines.
But again not Bro Reid. As for Pagan - Nothing needs to be said. I
just now look to the next post. I Think Forest Gump would have something to fun
to say about him.
I would assume that any Mormon who votes for Mitt Romney believs that this is no
reason to disqualify him from office.I would go so far as to
challenge the theory taht everyone who believs that our current president is a
Muslim believs that disqualifies him from office. In the last election I voted
for a county executive who I knew was Arabic but did not know his religion. For
all I knew he was a Muslim, but I still voted for him because I agreed with his
Personally I support Rick Santorum, because he is overall the candidate who I
most agree with on vital social issues and who I most can bring myself to
support. Romney has in the past donated to causes that I cannot support, and
Gingrich is unethical. Paul holds many positions that I do not agree with,
especially his insistence on "states rights", and he is too extreme
and too unwilling to compromise. Paul proposes bills that never go anywhere,
Santorum was the floor manager in the senate for vital pro-life legislation.
@LVISL can assure you that very few LDS voters supported Harry in his
senate re-election. I have friends and family from Nevada and none of their
friends and associates voted for Mr Reid. Some folks thing LDS vote for Mitt
based solely on his LDS faith. WRONG. Mitt quite clearly is the most qualified
AND the most likely to defeat BO.
You know why Newt won in South Carolina? Because those folks essentially said,
"We'd rather support Brother Newt from over here in Georgia, despite is
indiscretions, than support some Yankee Mormon." That's exactly what
happened. Don't kid yourselves into thinking it was anything else. What's
astounding is that even though the LDS Church has been on this continent for
nearly 182 years now, many of these people still call it a non-Christian
religion. Sometimes you can tell a lot about people and their level of
awareness by the things they say and do.
It's refreshing to see that somewhere it has been pointed out that the LDS
Church does not instruct its members for whom they should vote; it simply
encourages its members to study the issues and choose the candidate or
candidates they feel are best according to their own judgment. I do wish this
were more prevalent. I have posted the information more than once on my Facebook
news feed myself, for the benefit of any who may not know. I get the feeling
that some in the Church feel they must not only vote Republican, since a
majority, and so many leaders especially, do, but that, when a member of the LDS
Church runs for office, they must choose not only that candidate but the one who
seems most "annointed". In this case, we know who that was. I would
like to see LDS candidates treated like those from any--or no--religion. When it
comes to government,since we are choosing a leader for people dissimilar as well
as similar to ourselves, some realistic thought is called for, wouldn't you
Pagan,Do you realize that 97% of blacks voted for Obama? What's the
difference between that and this?Well, voting for someone with the
same values as you is a very common thing. Voting for someone because of the
color of their skin, that's racist!
'Being Baptist myself, I do not like Pagan's.' - Veracity | 4:52 p.m. Feb. 2,
2012 Not that I practice Paganism myself, but if I did...? I would hope then, to be a better example, of tolerance. And that
other Baptists', provide a better example we can all follow than:
'The Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) is an Independent Baptist church known for
its extreme stance against homosexuality and its protest activities, which
include picketing funerals of American servicemen and desecrating the American
flag.' - Cursory Wikipedia search Holding up signs that
proclaim: 'God hates....' That's not God's love.
Remember the rule, anybody but Obama.
I thought that was an extremely well researched and well written article. If
the author isn't LDS, she really did her research and presented that research in
a very objective manner, in my opinion!
Being Baptist myself, I do not like Pagan's.
Go Mitt! Go Ann! The more I see of Ann, the better I like her. What a great
First Lady she would make.
'I apologize for the harshness of my first post and hope this clears up any
confusion.' - David King | 3:25 p.m. Feb. 2, 2012 It is an easy
thing to get confused. But I do TRY, not to over generalize. Like
with any other group, there are good and bad. The point I try to
make, is the double standard to claim you should NOT vote against someone
because of their religion, whatever it is... and then vote FOR
someone, because of their religion: 'I don't see any other possible
result than Romney winning big in Nevada. There might be some anti-Mormons out
there but the LDS presence is huge...' - Howard Beal | 3:22 p.m. Feb. 2, 2012 Supported, by this very aritlce.
Mormons blindly supporting Romney simply because he is Mormon, are as
ignorantly biased and bigoted as African-Americans voting for Obama simply
because he's black.
Pagan | 2:07 p.m. Feb. 2, 2012 I guess what we have here is a
misunderstanding. Your original post mentions three groups:(1)Mormons who
vote for Mitt Romney(2)those who believe Mitt Romney's religion should not
disqualify him for office(3)those who believe (mistakenly) that Obama is a
MuslimYour post (in my point of view, which obviously could be
wrong), does not differentiate between these groups, sliding from one to the
next as if they were all composed of exactly the same people. That is why I
consider it a broad generalization. Yes, there are some Mormons who are
hypocritical when it comes to religion and politics. But does everyone in the
first group you mentioned belong to the second group, and is there evidence that
those who belong in the second group are also part of the third?I
apologize for the harshness of my first post and hope this clears up any
I don't see any other possible result than Romney winning big in Nevada. There
might be some anti-Mormons out there but the LDS presence is huge and the
business interests of the state are also huge. Also, Newt did a lot of business
with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and I can't see that helping him when about
every other house in Vegas is in foreclosure...
Mormons understand Romney because they've been in similar church callings and
understand what it takes. So, they relate.If Newt, Paul and RS wish
to court the Mormon vote, it is there for the taking. Just repudiate the
Evangelicals in South Carolina who trash Mormons. Call them out as bigots and
narrow minded people. That what religion you are should have NO PLACE in
American politics but rather the content of the character the religion helps to
produce. Argue about that, but demand Evangelicals wise up and start treating
people as Christians ought to treat everyone. If they'll do that
Mormons will gladly look at them with fond admiration, examine what Newt, Paul
and Santorum stand for. And they're all better than Obama.
I like Mormons and Mitt Romney.
By the way, did anyone else notice the picture associated with this article?
The one in the warehouse. Isn't there where they put the crate with the Lost
Ark of the Covenant at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark?
As a Mormon, I couldn't care less about a candidate's religion. Romney is the
most qualified for the office, Mormon or not.
"Those very same persons who defend Romney due to 'there is no religious
requirement for President'...were the ones criticizing Obama for
'Will you please show me a poll that shows Mormon voters who support Romney were
the ones who foolishly believed that Obama is a Muslim? I doubt such a poll even
exists.' - David King | 1:43 p.m. Feb. 2, 2012 2 points: 1) How can I find the poll that you, yourself acknowledge does not exist. 2) I didn't actually SAY that Mormons were the ones who thought Obama
was Mulsim. Again, the quote was: 'Those very same
PERSONS who defend Romney due to 'there is no religious requirement for
President', were the ones criticizing Obama for being Muslim...' - Pagan | 12:55
p.m. Feb. 2, 2012 I DID say Mormons were going to vote for a Mormon
Presidental canidate, which the title supports. But not WHO, thought
Obama was Muslim. David King | 1:43 p.m., You injected
the claim of, Mormonism into this statement. While claiming I was
being to broad with my generalizations.
If Mitt Romney wins in Nevada, it won't be because of the Mormons there, it will
be because he is the very best candidate for President. New Hampshire and
Florida voted for Mitt, and it had nothing to do with the Mormon population.
The problem (ok, one of the problems) with Mormons in Nevada is that they really
don't know what they want. The vote for Harry Reid, simply because he IS a
Mormon. When I have asked members of the LDS church in Las Vegas if they would
have voted for Ted Kennedy, they say no--he is far too liberal for them. When I
tell them that Ted and Harry had the same voting record, they really don't know
what to say.
Romney has certainly landed in the right place. Good for him! He's right back in
the home of the big spenders!
From Pagan's message I guess that he goes to church 2 times a year if needed or
not or if it gets him votes.
@Pagan"Those very same persons who defend Romney due to 'there is no
religious requirement for President'...were the ones criticizing
Obama for being Muslim..."What evidence backs up this claim?
Once again you paint an entire group with a broad generalization, condemning an
entire group for the actions of a few individuals. Will you please show me a
poll that shows Mormon voters who support Romney were the ones who foolishly
believed that Obama is a Muslim? I doubt such a poll even exists. Or does one
individual, Donald Trump, represent all supporters of Mitt Romney now? You're
good at partisan politics and talking points, but I would like to see you
demonstrate some consistency on principles, instead of always resorting to,
"well, the Republicans are worse."
"church voters who are taught to oppose abortion and gay marriage."This quote from the article is not true at all. Members are taught the
value of life and that it is sacred. They are taught marriage is also a sacred
ceremony instituted by God Himself (see the Garden of Eden). Understanding those
teaching leads to opposing abortions of convenience and same gender marriage.
No religion has a base of it's members who question, study, and
teach the scriptures more than the LDS faith. When Mormons oppose abortion, they
are thinking about literal children of God coming to earth. When discussing
marriage they are thinking of a family unit as the foundation of a happy life
and being ordained of God as the only proper and noble way to bring God's
children to earth.
I have to admit as a mormon voter seeing a mormon on the ballot is a huge draw
for me, if only for the fact that it makes so many people who are religiously
intollerant so darn uncomfortable. :)
'Mormon voters a key in Nevada they're for Romney' - title So,
Mormon voters... will vote for a Mormon Presidental canidate, Mitt
Romney. But it's 'not' about, religion. This claim is
disproven as, less than one year ago: **'Trump on Obama's Birth
Certificate: 'Maybe It Says He's a Muslim' - Fox Nation - 03/30/11
Those very same persons who defend Romney due to 'there is no religious
requirement for President'... were the ones criticizing Obama for
being Muslim... when it wasn't even, true. **'Obamas to
attend church for Easter Sunday' - By Philip Elliott - AP - Published by DSNews
- 04/11/09 **'Obama, family attend Christmas church services By
Julie Pace AP Pulibshed by DSNews 12/25/11