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  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Feb. 2, 2012 11:04 a.m.


    The majority of the population is no longer living and working on farms. Neither are they working at similar jobs doing heavy labor. They walked(as Europeans continue doing to this day).
    Our ancestors could eat all of that "heavy" food and work off those calories. They were, generally, strong and healthy individuals.
    It is a much different scenario in our modern times.

  • Sorry Charlie! SLC, UT
    Feb. 2, 2012 10:42 a.m.

    @ Lowonoil: And one more point - the composition of human breast milk changes over time. The longer a woman nurses (month and year wise), the less fat and other nutrients are present in the breast milk.

    This again supports the idea that the fat content of milk - cow, human, or otherwise - stops playing a role in human development once humans are old enough to obtain sustenance, including fat and other nutrients, from other sources.

  • Sorry Charlie! SLC, UT
    Feb. 2, 2012 9:44 a.m.

    @ Lowonoil: How am I refuting arguments you never made?

    You keep talking about the "natural high fat" and how that must mean it is something humans need -

    I am disputing part of that claim based on the fact that human only drink human milk for a short period of time and the disbelief that cows, camels, sheep, goats, yaks, water buffalo, and horses (as well as all other sources from which humans consume milk) have naturally selected to produce fat based on human needs as opposed to the needs of their own species.

    Additionally, life is much different for humans in the last 200 years or so than it has been in all the thousands of years before that so our needs will have changed as well.

    There is every reason to believe that after a certain point, human fat consumption can and should decrease.

  • Lowonoil Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 2, 2012 8:24 a.m.

    Nice job refuting arguments I never made. My only point is that the high fat content of milk strongly implies that fat is a very desirable nutrient, counter to the fat phobia that has been ingrained in us for over 50 years to the detriment of our health.

    Actually I always thought it was weird that the only ones who routinely consume the milk of another species are humans (and their pet cats).

  • Sorry Charlie! SLC, UT
    Feb. 1, 2012 9:10 p.m.

    @ Lowonoil: And by time most kids start school, they are no longer drinking mother's milk... ;)

    and I am thinking it is probably a pretty safe bet that in most cultures throughout history children 5 and over have stopped....

    yes, I know, there are the odd (number wise not any other wise) mothers here and there who nurse for longer periods of time, but I am willing to bet the number of those has never been high enough to influence natural selection....

    once a child is old enough to get their nutrition and calories from other sources, mother's milk has stopped being an issue and the amount of fat in it no longer matters.

    Sorry, but I don't buy natural selection as a force for determining the amount of fat in cow's milk for human consumption.

  • Lowonoil Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 1, 2012 8:50 p.m.

    You're right, human milk is not the same as cow milk. Human milk contains about 40% MORE fat than whole cow's milk. Human or bovine, natural selection (or intellegent design if you prefer) has made milk a high fat food because that is what is needed for good health.

  • Sorry Charlie! SLC, UT
    Feb. 1, 2012 2:36 p.m.

    @ Lowonoil: "If the fat in milk is so bad for the young, why did millions of years of natural selection result in the mother expending so much of her own energy to put it there?"

    Um - we're talking about cow's milk, not mother's milk.

    The fat in cow's milk was put there by mama cows for baby cows, not by mama humans for baby humans. Natural selection has nothing to do with this discussion.

    I do not have a degree in nutrition nor am I a doctor, so I cannot speak directly to the premise of the letter. That being said, when my child was little I was given conflicting messages about whole milk versus 2% milk for growing children. The one consistent was to stay away from 1% and skim milk while the brain is developing.

    Whole milk is 3.25% , 2% is 2%, 1% is 1%, and skim is 0.0% - 0.5%.

    If the children drink milk of the proper percentage at home, the 1 cup of milk they get daily at school will not affect things that much.

  • Lowonoil Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 1, 2012 1:16 p.m.

    If the fat in milk is so bad for the young, why did millions of years of natural selection result in the mother expending so much of her own energy to put it there?

  • CB Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 1, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    Instead of the government telling us what we can and cannot eat, they should
    return cooking classes to the schools and get rid of some of these 'feel good' classes
    Teaching children how to prepare safe food from start to finish into a healthy meal. It was at Olympus Jr. High that I learned how to prepare healthy meals, and my family, in turn, was fed properly. Second, eating together as a family is also a plus for good nutrition.
    One thing the government has been successful in doing, is teaching our youthful entrepreneurs
    how to set up 'junk food carts' outside school property. I remember the old saying, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink."

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 1, 2012 9:25 a.m.

    The ironic thing about government dietary guidelines is the fact that ever since the government started to preach their version of healthy eating, we have had an increase in obesity rates.

  • Lowonoil Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 1, 2012 8:24 a.m.

    Our ability to control our weight, blood sugar, and cardiovascular health has gone downhill since the fifties when nutrition scientists declared fat the Snidely Whiplash of the macronutrients. Saturated Fat is good for you. Processed carbohydrate is not.
    I have been on a low carbohydrate, high monounsaturated and saturated fat diet for a couple years that a mainstream nutritionist would call suicide by food. Yet it has made me much lighter, brought by blood sugar back into control, and resulted in dramatic improvements in my cholesterol.
    I can't make the case for high fat low carb diet in 200 words but I can suggest you read Gary Taubes and those he references.

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    Feb. 1, 2012 8:23 a.m.

    Your weight is directly affected by the food you eat. Eat correctly and the pounds come off. When I see an obese child I can't help but blame the parents. Eating correctly is something that many people just don't know how to do, this is evident with all the obesity in our state and country. Kids who have parents who don't know anything about nutrition also know nothing about nutrition. It is a travesty.
    ObamaCare would work if we mitigated millions of pounds of fat on people by educating them on nutrition. If our nation could learn to eat properly we would be such a happier healthier nation.
    I speak from experience. A crash course in nutrition, eating right with light exercise lost me 100 pounds over the course of a year. I didn't starve myself, I ate healthy whole grains, vegetables, some heathy fats, proteins, in the correct order throughout the day. It saved my life. My body rejects fast food as poison at this point. Just saying.
    Let's make sure the school lunch served is what our kids need. And if it isn't, pack your kids a lunch from home.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Feb. 1, 2012 8:22 a.m.

    Cutting fat in milk helps offset fat intake from foods with fat contents more difficult to cut. We all take in enormous amounts of fat in other foods.

  • higv Dietrich, ID
    Feb. 1, 2012 7:32 a.m.

    Just what we need someone else telling us what to eat despite the fact we live longer than we ever did before. It is interesting people think all these nutrimyths are the gospel and a way tolive longer and be healthier. I will eat what I please.

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 1, 2012 5:13 a.m.

    Saturated fat is a huge part of our Nation's health care crisis. Whole milk should NOT be considered a health promoting food.