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  • lawsupporter Atlanta, 00
    May 29, 2012 8:07 a.m.

    Step one - Secure the borders by any and all means.
    Step two - Fine those that hire illegals.
    Step three - Revoke business license of those that continue to hire illegals.
    Step four - Remove incentives for illegals to come. NO welfare, No free school. No free health care. No tax credits for illegal children. E-Verify mandates.
    Step five - Bill countries that do not assist us in the cost to deport illegals.
    Step six. - Encourage those that are educated to come back to the US legally. We need diversity and new ideas.
    Step seven - For children 16 years of age or older, of illegals who are citizens and know nothing but the US, allow them a way to apply FIRST before we allow others to come to the US. Mandate either Military or college for these children of illegals. Then and only then, after they have done one or the other, allow them the ability to apply for citizenship.

    I am rather offended by the flags that are being held up. If you want to be a part of this great nation, assimilate into the culture. Embrace the flag, the language and the laws.

  • Mr. Bean Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 2, 2012 11:48 p.m.

    @J Thompson:

    "He (Obama) swore an oath to defend the Constitution..."

    Exactly! And the Constitution admonishes the president to see that our laws are faithfully executed. One would think he's failed in this regard, which means impeachment action would be in order.

    "Some of their relatives (illegals) vote and he is more concerned with getting those votes than he is with keeping his oath of office."

    That is correct. Obama knows his chances for reelection is significantly increased if he can get the Hispanic vote. The vast majority of Hispanics favor illegal immigration of their own ethnicity and if he's soft on illegal immigration he will get their vote.

    "Those who enter legally are welcome."

    We don't need immigration now-a days. We don't have the jobs for them. We can't even keep our own citizens in jobs.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Feb. 1, 2012 6:53 p.m.

    Ignore these truths if you like. Recently the term "self-deportation" has been discussed in presidential debates. "Self-deportation" is the belief that illegal aliens will leave Florida and the rest of the U.S. voluntarily on their own if they are denied access to Florida's jobs and public benefits. In fact, self-deportation is happening right now, as the current economic recession has reduced job opportunities across all of Florida's occupations. If Gov. Scott is serious about reducing Florida's unemployment rate, he should do more to support enforcing Florida's immigration laws so that illegal aliens leave willingly on their own. The concept of attrition through enforcement is simple. If America's immigration laws are fully enforced and illegal aliens are not allowed to take U.S. jobs or receive non-essential government services, they will not be able to live in the United States (or in our state, for that matter). These individuals will have no other choice but to leave, or self-deport. This would free up millions of jobs for American workers and save American taxpayers billions of dollars.

    This writer sounds more like Gingrich trying to put a positive spin on his defeat in Florida's primary.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 1, 2012 4:08 p.m.

    To "Esquire" it is a lie that enforcement is up under Obama.

    See "Obama's deportation record: inside the numbers" at CNN. We have some nice quotes from Obama. He said "The statistics are actually a little deceptive," in other words, the statistic shows what he wants it to show. He continued to explain the deceit by saying that "with stronger border enforcement, we've been apprehending folks at the borders and sending them back. That is counted as a deportation even though they may have only been held for a day or 48 hours."

    At the same time we read the LA Times story "Border arrests drop to 1970s levels" where we find out that "Arrests of illegal immigrants on the U.S.-Mexico border have fallen to levels unseen since the 1970s". Again, where is the consistancy between what is said and what is actually happening?

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 1, 2012 1:34 p.m.

    The only people who benefit from cheap foreign labor are business people. Most business people are republicans. Therefore the people who favor uncontrolled immigration are likely to be republicans.

    Business people favor a completely free market for labor but will fight any kind of free market for their product. Except for food and safety, Americans should have access to the world market for all their needs.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Feb. 1, 2012 12:32 p.m.

    J Thompson, what did GWBII do? What did WJC do? What did GHWB do? What did Reagan do but give amnesty to them all? What are you talking about? There is not a single issue you talk about that was created in Jan 2009. Not one.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Feb. 1, 2012 12:26 p.m.

    Doug Walters, the media, withall their faults, weaknesses, and slothfulness did not create the furor about illegal immigration. Did you see any furor before Jan, 2009? I dare say you don't remember any. The very very right have made you and many others think that in Jan 2009 we had an infestation of illegals the world has never seen. The fact is that since the 1980's Congress has decided to ignore it and do nothing because those that benefit from it wanted cheap underground labor. Another fact is that since Jan. 2009 border security and deportations have increased dramatically but the very very right are using it as a diversion of the real issues with the economy. Is this one of those regulations that is preventing business from making money?

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Feb. 1, 2012 11:54 a.m.

    President Obama will not actively enforce actions against those who entered the United States illegally. He swore an oath to defend the Constitution, but having 12,000,000 illegal aliens ignore our soverignity, our borders, and our laws does not concern him. Some of their relatives vote and he is more concerned with getting those votes than he is with keeping his oath of office.

    Those who enter legally are welcome. They have shown proper respect towards us and towards our Country. They have paid the price required. They have shown that they consider citizenship to have value. They have shown that they have integrity.

    It's too bad that the President doesn't show that same integrity towards his oath of office.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Feb. 1, 2012 11:34 a.m.

    "LOOK", right is right, and, wrong is wrong, there is no gray area between those two sides, so if Republicans are against illegal entry into the United States, how then could Republicans have no problem with legal immigration, when this Illegal immigration has been going on now for decades, with little to nothing being done with it in Congress. How many have they rounded up to deport then?. Give me a number. Is this why everyone is fed up with their actions. Here's some true numbers in our Red State. 1,647,830 Republican's voted yesterday, out of over 18 million people in the State. Those are real number's to. Illegal unskilled laborers have driven down middle class wages, and costed tax payers billion's every year. Just what is the middle class supposed to do, stay on unelployment or be under-emploted because of ilegals and the GOP Congress?.

    You tell me.

    I'm listening.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Feb. 1, 2012 11:06 a.m.

    RedShirt, only a selected slice of the story. Isn't it the GOP that has filibustered reform legislation, a bill that the GOP itself supported previously? And isn't it true that enforcement is way up under President Obama? (answer: yes).

  • Bloodhound Provo, UT
    Feb. 1, 2012 10:54 a.m.

    Illegal immigration is destroying the middle class. Illegal unskilled laborers have driven down middle class wages. About 20 years ago, meat packers earned around $18/hour. Today, thanks to illegal alien labor taking over these jobs, meat packers earn around $9/hour. According to the open borders crowd, we need to ship all our factory jobs oversea. The leftover service jobs need to be filled by illegal aliens. Well, what is the middle class supposed to do? I don't think the open borders elites really care. It's time to start voting on this issue.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Feb. 1, 2012 9:09 a.m.


    How are repubs promoters of "legal immigration?"

    The last few repub Presidents are the ones who have promoted amnesty for those who came here illegally. How is that a promotion of "legal immigration?"

    Repubs also keep ignoring the main problem, businesses who keep hiring illegal immigrants.

    If they were serious about legal immigration, then they'd advocate harsher penalties on those who employed illegals and would make it easier for those to come and work here legally.

    I see neither from the party that is supposedly pro-legal immigration.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 1, 2012 8:53 a.m.

    To "Esquire" wasn't it a Republican governor in Arizona who proposed to beef up immigration law enforcement. Then didn't Obama and his Democrat buddies decide that they had to stop Arizona from doing the Federal Government's job, which they are not doing?

    Didn't Utah pass a law to enforce federal immigration laws, and isn't Obama again threatening to stop Utah from enforcing the law?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 1, 2012 8:50 a.m.

    Supply vs. Demand

    Blame and Penalize those who hire them.
    Problem solved.

    BTW, that would bad for B-u-s-i-n-e-s-s.

    Republicans LIKE to complain about it, but would never do anything about it.
    This is called; Lip Service.

    They wouldn't dare cut-off the hand that feeds them.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    Feb. 1, 2012 7:49 a.m.

    Either the media lumps the two together on purpose or they have no understanding of the differance in Legal Immigration and illegal immigration. We know the DMN has an agenda so does it on purpose. Viva Legal Immigration.

  • Ok Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 1, 2012 7:43 a.m.

    Legal immigration Yes. Illegal immigration No. Enforce current immigration law and send the illegal lawbreakers home.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Feb. 1, 2012 7:08 a.m.

    And they won't do a thing to effectively deal with the issue. They also hire illegal immigrants and then turn around and complain about illegal immigrants. I've talked to people who do this. Then when there is a crackdown, they can't get the workers or don't want to pay the prevailing wage. Look at it this way, the reality is, this is the free market system at its purest. There is a demand for the labor, and the labor shows up. You get what you really want.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 1, 2012 2:01 a.m.

    Those who make accusations of "anti-immigrant" are knowingly lying and bearing false witness against their neighbors. Incidentally this same lie lay at the core of the Utah Compact, which very cunningly implies that there is no difference between legal and illegal immigration. One of the major problems with illegal immigration is symbolized by the waving of the Mexican flags in the photo that accompanies this article: a culture that does not respect this country, its laws or its values and desires only to take from it, one that very much maintains allegiance to Mexico. In order to maintain the integrity and unity of the country, only those who truly love this country and what it stands for and truly desire to be Americans should be considered for permanent residency in this country.