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  • Mr. Bean Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 29, 2012 3:06 p.m.

    @LDS Liberal:

    "Depending on Law Enforcement is a Police State."

    Then we live in a police state. I'd probably rob a bank if it were not for the distinct possibly of getting caught.

    However, I must say I rarely break speed limit laws.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 28, 2012 6:23 p.m.

    Mike Richards | 10:45 a.m. Jan. 28, 2012
    South Jordan, Utah
    Politicians work for us; we don't work for them. If they are out of line, they should be "out of work".

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    Enforcement is the key.

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    Hence --- the problem.

    What about "Personal Responsiblity"?
    What about "Self Descipline"?
    What about an "All Seeing Eye"?
    What about "Obeying the Laws of the Land"?

    Laying blame on law enforcement for speeding
    is like blaming law enforcement for drugs and bank robberies.

    Depending on Law Enforcement is a Police State.
    Free socieities rely on a self-Policing Citizenship.

    BTW- I commend you on your obedience.

  • Miss Piggie Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 28, 2012 5:09 p.m.

    @Mike Richards:

    Politicians work for us; we don't work for them. If they are out of line, they should be "out of work."

    It's pretty hard to move them out when they hand out goodies to the masses.

    "He drove like an idiot for twenty miles so that he could be two car lengths ahead!"

    Happens all the time.

    "Had I been a police officer..."

    Where are the darned police officers? Hold up at Winchell's dunking donuts?

    "Pride - thinking that you're better than everyone else on the road - seems to be the root of all infractions."

    For some reason it seems more prevalent in Utah.

  • wrz Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 28, 2012 4:59 p.m.

    LDS Liberal:

    "Statitically 1/2 of those willfully violating traffic and endangering others are fellow Latter-Day Saints."

    It's probably higher than that. These are the people who missed primary where they shoulda learnt the 12th Article of Faith about 'obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.'

    Seems Utah Mormons are on perpetual ego trips and especially on the freeways. "Get out of my way, can't you see that this is my freeway?"

  • Mr. Bean Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 28, 2012 4:48 p.m.

    @Hutterite:

    "Laws, on the other hand, can be silly. Nonsensical. Even stupid."

    Traffic laws are designed to minimize property damage and save the lives of those who drive the highways and freeways. Statistics show that most deaths on freeways are caused by speeding. So, are traffic laws nonsensical and stupid, I ask ya?

    Slow down and live. The life you save may be your own.

    @one old man:

    "As soon as people realized the state was serious about enforcement and safety, almost all drivers changed their ways."

    Utah could do that too with a little effort. It would be nice to drive on the freeway and not think you're gonna die any minute.

  • red state pride Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 28, 2012 4:17 p.m.

    I agree with the writer and nothing ticks me off more than someone driving too fast in a residential area where you never know when a kid might wander into the street. But I wish Utah would learn the concept of a flashing red light. There is a light that stops me every day 2-3 times where there is no traffic except just before school starts at a HS and when it lets out. Really now, can I not be trusted to look both ways and make a left turn without a green signal?

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    Jan. 28, 2012 11:56 a.m.

    One old man is correct. There is no doubt that politicians deserve a great deal of blame for failing to combat, and in some cases even leading the descent into moral decay.

    The current left wing government has used entitlement programs to create a general public that expects to be taken care of, rather than working to provide for itself. This resulting laziness and idleness leads to disobedience to law and the traditional moral code.

    What is absolutely shocking is the number of people who think that Newt Gingrich is the answer. Why this people think that a serial adulterer is the man to lead us out of the moral abyss is beyond comprehension.

    Let us all resolve to vote only candidates who honor all laws, whether civil law or moral law. That is crucial to returning this Country to its traditional higher standard.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 28, 2012 10:45 a.m.

    Politicians work for us; we don't work for them. If they are out of line, they should be "out of work".

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    Enforcement is the key. Almost everyday, I drive to Springville. Almost everyday, I am one of the very few who keeps my vehicle at 55 MPH in the construction zone. Simple enforcement of the speed limit would make 55 MPH an actual LIMIT, not a suggestion.

    Just yesterday, someone was weaving in and out of traffic, trying to get ahead. I watched him for over twenty miles. At the Springville exit, he was waiting for the same stop light as I was, but he was two cars in front of me. Two car lengths! He drove like an idiot for twenty miles so that he could be two car lengths ahead!

    Had I been a police officer, he would have been cited for improper lookout, for tail gating, for speeding, for improper use of his turn signals, and if there is a ticket for being an "idiot behind the wheel", he would have been cited for that.

    Pride - thinking that you're better than everyone else on the road - seems to be the root of all infractions.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 28, 2012 10:09 a.m.

    JCS wrote: If we are to stop the general moral decay that is destroying this Country, we must have a higher standard. A higher standard for ourselves, our families, and our communities.

    John, you forgot one key element. How about politicians?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 28, 2012 9:44 a.m.

    Agreed -- Great letter, thanks!

    one old man | 8:50 a.m. Jan. 28, 2012
    Ogden, UT

    Agreed.

    We lived in Seattle.
    Population was 6 times the size of Salt Lake, and highway fatalities were 1/2 what they are here.
    Not to mention -- less tailgating, less lane changing, cutting off, swerving, and blinkers actually meant something. This, in a land populated with Godless liberals.

    The selfish, self centered - Me-1st - mentality, with blantant disregard for law and order seriously troubles me. [Statitically 1/2 of those willfully violating traffic and endangering others are fellow Latter-Day Saints.]

    And the next generation will take it one step even further into Babylon.

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    Jan. 28, 2012 9:25 a.m.

    If we are to stop the general moral decay that is destroying this Country, we must have a higher standard. A higher standard for ourselves, our families, and our communities.

    At its basic level, conforming to a higher standard requires obedience to the law. Not just some laws, but all of them. we cannot pick and choose which laws to follow and which to ignore, whether they be laws dealing with speeding, theft, or immigration.

    A failure to obey the law inevitably leads to moral degeneracy in all areas. Aubstance abuse and immorality quickly follow. Ideed, the rate for drunkenness, drug addiction, co-habitation, and illegitimacy are all at epidemic levels.

    If we want a society in which the masses behave like drunken sots with all the morals of demented stoats, we should continue on the current course. If, on the other hand, we want something better, we must demand that all members of society conform to a higher standard.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 28, 2012 8:50 a.m.

    I visited Wisconsin a couple of years ago and immediately noticed how courteous drivers were in that state. No speeding or cutting in and out of lanes on highways. I didn't see anyone blast through a red light as I see every day in Utah. They actually slowed down in construction zones. So I asked a resident why it was.

    His reply was that a few years earlier the legislature had decided to get tough. They doubled or tripled fines for violations and put more highway patrol officers on the roads. I don't remember the numbers, but speeding was something like $25 for every mile over the speed limit. Running a red light was a minimum of perhaps $800. Speeding in a construction zone was something like $1000 to start. Fines for DUI were way, way up there.

    The result, he said, was that traffic accidents and fatalities dropped precipitously. Insurance rates were cut by a whole bunch for everyone.

    He said that almost any time you see a car pulled over by police, it has out of state plates on it. He also said that he frequently had to drive to Illinois on business and when he does, he feels like he's on a suicide mission.

    He said it took only a few months to see a real change in driving habits. As soon as people realized the state was serious about enforcement and safety, almost all drivers changed their ways.

    All I can say is that driving in Wisconsin was a whole lot less stressful than trying to do it in Utah.

  • Ok Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 28, 2012 7:52 a.m.

    Right on. Well written, thanks.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 28, 2012 2:16 a.m.

    Wrong is always wrong. But that level of absolutism seldom applies in real life. Laws, on the other hand, can be silly. Nonsensical. Even stupid. Laws are often a result of someone who wants to add their idea of wrong to the list and impose it on all of us. The result is a bunch of legislation many don't believe in, or follow.