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  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Jan. 28, 2012 11:25 a.m.

    DN bounced my first comment? It sure seems the "guidelines" aren't uniformly applied.

    J Thompson
    Why didn't you supply the full quote?
    Obama (June 28, 2006) "Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation â at least, not just. We are ALSO a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers."

    (Obama flubbed the delivery of this line. The prepared text started: Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian....:")

    This quote was part of a misleading chain e-mail passed around the internet. It was also not accurately represented by right-wing commentators on TV and radio.

    What motivated the misrepresentation?

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Jan. 28, 2012 10:46 a.m.

    J Thompson
    Here are other snippets from Obama's Cairo Speech that you didn't highlight:

    "Among some Muslims, there's a disturbing tendency to measure one's own faith by the rejection of somebody else's faith.  The richness of religious diversity must be upheld -- whether it is for Maronites in Lebanon or the Copts in Egypt.    And if we are being honest, fault lines must be closed among Muslims, as well, as the divisions between Sunni and Shia have led to tragic violence, particularly in Iraq."

    "People in every country should be free to choose and live their faith based upon the persuasion of the mind and the heart and the soul.  This tolerance is essential for religion to thrive, but it's being challenged in many different ways."

    But that same principle must apply to Muslim perceptions of America.....America is not the crude stereotype of a self-interested empire.  The United States has been one of the greatest sources of progress that the world has ever known....We are shaped by every culture, drawn from every end of the Earth, and dedicated to a simple concept:  E pluribus unum -- "Out of many, one."  

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Jan. 28, 2012 9:09 a.m.

    So few Democrats are willing to quote President Obama's words.

    He said: "Obama, June 28, 2006 (as delivered): Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation at least, not just."


    June 4, 2009
    "At the same time, we will encourage more Americans to study in Muslim communities."

    "Americans are ready to join with citizens and governments; community organizations, religious leaders, and businesses in Muslim communities around the world to help our people pursue a better life."


    Is President Obama saying that he will promote Islam over Christianity? No, he is not. Is he bending over backwards to appease Muslims throughout the world? Yes, he is.

    His views are so extreme that even Democrats in Congress vote 100% against his extreme budget. They know that there is not enough money in America, even if everyone were taxed at 100%, to pay for the things that President Obama wants the Federal Government to do.

    If he has even read the Constitution, he would know that MOST of the things that he proposes are non-constitutional. He would also know that the Federal Government cannot PROMOTE Islam. It cannot ENCOURAGE Islam. It cannot PREFER Islam.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 28, 2012 7:46 a.m.

    Uncle Charles, one procedural vote in the legislative game and you say the Dems aren't united behind the President? Where in the world have you been? I could give you thousands of votes that say just the opposite. What a cynical joke....

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 9:25 p.m.

    Mr. Thompson. Please, please, please turn the radio off and come back to reality.

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Jan. 27, 2012 7:47 p.m.

    "When have we ever had a "leader" who promoted Islam as our national religion"

    Another factually incorrect, unsupportable by facts, over the top comment by Mike.

    Same ole same ole

  • shaun_ SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 7:27 p.m.

    @Mike Richards. Do you honestly think Mitt Romney will be a good president? You complain that Obama set up his buddies at GM and Chrysler but Republicans do the same thing. They sell the treasury to their buddies. So unless you are advocating not voting for anybody then you really do not have any credibility in saying that Mitt Romney will be different or better.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 5:43 p.m.

    J Thompson, your name calling and accusations are getting tiresome. You missed the boat.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 5:32 p.m.

    I didn't feel like coming up with a food analogy. I'm just going to vote obama.

  • Uncle Charles Where freedom and liberty reign, utah
    Jan. 27, 2012 4:29 p.m.

    Esquire: you fall short in your analogy. Obama couldn't even get his own side to follow him and give him what he wanted when he had control of Congress. His own side rejected him.

    You say Romney can't unify Republicans but Obama hasn't unified Democrats. How many voted for Obama's budget last year in the Senate? ZERO!

    If you know that the decisions your child is making aren't going to work and actually harm them, would you continue to show unconditional support? I doubt it.

    Why should I expect Republicans to support the tried and failed policies that Obama is pushing on the nation? It would be foolish of me to go along with his plan so you can feel good about compromising.

    I bet you expect one of the wise virgins to share in their preparation with you at the wedding instead of preparing yourself and then tell them they aren't compromising when they don't share.

    98-0 voting NO on Obama's budget. Cornhusker Kickback. Louisiana Purchase. Gotta pass it to know what's in it!

    A good general wouldn't try a plan that has never worked, in fact, ALWAYS failed. But hey, keep trying!

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 3:52 p.m.

    Oh Mike Richards, first of all, Obama did not do the things you say as you have mistakenly characterized them. Second, some of the things you mention were actually Bush initiatives. And third, you never addressed the issue of trying to shoot the general before he has even started the battle. That's because you know it's true.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 27, 2012 2:54 p.m.


    If your "general" decided to sell everything to his assets to the highest bidder (G.M. and Chrysler) then decided to go to war without telling anyone what to expect (Pelosi and the Health Care Bill), then decided to pit the privates against everyone else (class warfare) and finally he decided to have "some rich guy" pay for everything, wouldn't you become just a little bit suspicious?

    Is that "conditional patriotism" or is that just "yankee good sense"?

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 1:47 p.m.

    If Romney goes into office and the leaders of the opposition say they have to take the country back and they will do everything they can to ensure his failure, like what has happened to Obama, I wonder how successful he will be. Besides, he can't seem to even unify his own party.

    And if Congressional Republicans don't want to eat off of the plate offered by President Obama (not compromising), aren't they more like spoiled children holding their breath and having a tantrum? It's kind of like a new general being selected to lead the charge but having his people shooting him in the back before he even has a chance to lead the charge. The people in the back may disagree, but the general was duly selected and should at least enjoy some support and given the chance to see if his plan will succeed. This was never afforded to the President. I'll say this, the GOP shows conditional patriotism.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 1:00 p.m.

    re: ugottabkidn,

    Which America are you a citizen of?

    The new "America" where 2% of the population tell the other 98% to take a hike?

    The Obama America that bows to every 3rd world dictator and promises obedience?

    The America that believes that the Muslim god dictates that women should walk three steps behind their "master" and that Sharia law should dictate to Americans how to legislate?

    When you realize that the most corrupt politician in our times is President Obama, you will start to understand why we are facing a crisis that has never before been faced. He, and those who support him, are destroying this country. Whether YOUR believe it or not is not the issue. The fact is that he and those who support him are trying to destroy this nation is the prime directive that should be at the front of EVERY argument.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 12:42 p.m.

    "When have we ever had a "leader" who promoted Islam as our national religion"

    This is the moment where I stopped taking your post seriously. How can you possibly believe this notion?

  • Invisible Hand Provo, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 12:02 p.m.

    @Roland: Bush got Democrats to support some of his signature initiatives because he negotiated with them and put things in they could vote for. Obama didn't have to do that when he had both the house and senate for two years. His stated agenda from the beginning was completely opposite of what Republicans believe. So you shouldn't be surprised that Republicans would despise Obama.

    @UltraBob: Were you alive for GWB's presidency? I'd say the hate and opposition to him toward the end of his term was just as intense as anything you see today from the Republicans.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 11:54 a.m.

    Which Romney? The one that supports gay rights or the one that donates to fraudulant groups that promise to cure your gay child with prayer? Maybe it is the one that was an independant during the Reagan administration or maybe it is the one that has taken on all the credit of saving the 2002 Olympics when he came on after the ship was corrected. I am sorry but the nation isn't Idaho and Utah. There are real problems to deal with and the number one is the corruption on Capitol Hill.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 27, 2012 11:45 a.m.


    Is the "hate" that you describe attributed to the man or to the office?

    When have we ever had a President who maligned the office as much as Mr. Obama?

    When have we ever had a "leader" who told the world that we, as a nation, were ashamed for sending our soldiers to free them from oppression?

    When have we ever had a "leader" who promoted Islam as our national religion and pretended that Muslim extremists have not tortured and killed thousands of people world-wide (just Google Obama and Islam).

    You can choose to live in your living room where you filter out everything that is distasteful, but some of us have to live in the real world. Come out of your cave and acknowledge that the world that you created for yourself is not the world that the rest of us have to live in.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 11:27 a.m.

    Never before in my lifetime have I seen the magnitude of hate and opposition to an American president and the resulting failure of his job. Its really hard to believe that the actions taken by politicians and business people are just because hes a democrat. Other democrats in my lifetime have fared much better, even the peanut guy Jimmy Carter.

    President Obama has been labeled the most terrible names the conservative element could come up with, that of being a socialist and worse, a community organizer.

    Business operators have deliberately done those things to punish the American people for electing Obama. The people most responsible for the lack of jobs is the conservative businessmen and investors, using all sorts of phony excuses.

    The problems of the American people in this day and age, is the government of business, by business for business. If we let this continue, America for the people is a dead issue.

  • Earl Sandy, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 9:30 a.m.

    Seriously? The only thing a president can do (and has done REPEATEDLY!) is get in the way of the economic recovery. No president will get the economy "jumpstarted" for heaven's sake! Sheesh!

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 27, 2012 9:15 a.m.

    Even when Mr. Obama had control of both the House and the Senate, he couldn't get a budget passed.

    The Republicans are not trying to "sabotage" Mr. Obama. They stand for something. Mr. Obama stands for nothing. READ HIS QUOTES.

    He either can't read, or he has chosen to NOT read the Constitution which contains his job duties. His job duties include protecting the Constitution. He refuses to do that. He picks and chooses those laws that HE thinks are important. If he were a CEO of even a small company, he would be fired for that thought process.

    When Mr. Obama signs into law 2,000+ page bills, that NOBODY understands, how can any THINKING American support him?

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 8:42 a.m.

    AT the very beginning of Obama's term, the Republicans decided they would oppose anything he tried to do. The opposition he has faced has been truly unprecedented. Even when he proposes what conservatives have supported in the past they oppose him.

    President Bush was not popular withe Democrats (you noticed?), but he got some Democratic support for all of his signature initiatives, (the tax cuts, the wars, Medicare part D, No Child Left Behind) even though they were not popular with the Democratic base.

    The fact that the Republicans have tried to sabotage his presidency is not his fault.