awsomeronSo this was all just a funny prank then?
three11stuSow a thought, reap an action; Sow an action, reap a
habit. Sow a habit, reap a character. Sow a character, reap a
Cleary we all need to be more aware of people that are hurting and feeling like
the world is stacked against them.We are all in this together. Let's work to make this place better.
Those teens are going to face a huge charge)of a price for the plan they
were intentionally going to carry out.What is the cause a very
creepy crazy ill minded way!Did they have a Broken home lots of
unAnswers and Where are the parents they must be sick to even talk to them about
why would you want to hurt others?
If these students want to act like thugs and animals then there will be
consequences. All threats should be dealt with. In the aftermath of Cplumbine,
so e students knew of the plot but didn't take them seriously until people were
As smart as this kid is, what did he expect to live on in that foreign country?
I would also like to know what that foreign country was and if he had contacts
there. A Cessna cannot outrun an Air Force jet.
I have three question to ask of this dangerous situation?#1. Where
do the parents of these dangerous kids fit into the overall picture? #2.
What kind of home life produces this type of behavior in children? #3. How
many such weirdo students roam our high schools in Utah, waiting to detonate?
Where are we getting these so-called smart kids. Planning to blow-up a school.
They are watching too many violent video games today. That where they get these
Interesting, they are smart kids (are they?) but why a person would text to some
friends? Was it a plot that they will do it or NOT. It was possibled they were
just wanting attention. What's up?
Breaking news!Just in on KSL news The 18yearold?Is out
on Bail and Now he may get the charge as of now = mass murder = for
this Awful unnatural Crime!!!!!! He was going to commit to the death and
serious injuries too many lives at this RoyHighSchool he attended.
I find it hard to believe that any one would exonerate these two young men with
the given facts. Look to search his home the police needed a warrant, and a
warrant needs probable cause. Therefore we can assume that the police did have
probable cause seeing how they seized many of the students personal effects.
While probable cause is not a particularly high legal standard, when compared to
preponderance of evidence and beyond reasonable doubt, it is still a clear
benchmark. However does the fact of a search mean that they are guilty? No not
necessarily but the evidence is clearly stacking against them. They were making
plans and mapping school security. You rarely do that unless you plan on doing
I had a typo on my last post, I meant "who" are shooting up their
school, not "we" are.
I know these are young men, but they know right from wrong and I do not care if
they were bullied, have low self esteem, come from bad families, etc. If we look
at Columbine, and even Virginia Tech and what happened at Trolley Square, we
just have to make the punishments extremely severe. It is pure evil, and a slap
on the wrist will only encourage future psychos we are contemplating blowing up/
shooting up their school. Also, can the media please quit putting them on the
front page? The media contributes heavily to the problem.
no one can steal a plane and fly off to a safe country. the ogden airport is
right by the airforce base. How long do you think an unauthorized airplane can
stay in the air? my guess is a few minutes. just saying.
>Utah really needs to pay attention to it's schools.Possibly, but
I do believe that Utah schools--even the government schools--teach that the
possessive form of "it" does not require an apostrophe
("its").It's = a contraction of "it is"
Cris B. Is that a whole name. I reread those posts and I understand
them. What you do not get is that sometimes on this Board because of the Rules,
you have to go around an issue in order to get to an issue.Awsomeron
and Anon 808 (Area Code for Hawaii). Have known each other for a long time and
are seperate but merged and bonded togeather. While they do not always take the
same side in an issue. Mostly it is because they like equal time. Awsomeron is an on purpose misspelling of Awesomeron, more to show like most
of us not exactly perfact. The user name has been me from late 1993. Anon 808
came along later mostly because of conflicts of interest. This Board allows you
5 different user names under 1 account. I have no problem writing under my
everyday name, placed upon me by my parents. In 65+ years I have never ducked an
issue.I take a stand and until proven different will continue, that
there is a massive rush to judgement, and lack of media due process. Weather
they did it or not. Nothing Blew up and No one died.
Let me guess...They're ADD?Uhhh they're from
"troubled" homes?Can we blame the teachers/UEA? What we miss the most in today's schools is accountability. I'm sure these
kids will blame everyone but themselves. Bullying, their parents, the
administration, video games, Obama, the economy, and the teachers. Time to set an example and put these kids away for a long long LONG time. You wanted to be big shots? Good. Now try them as "Big Shots."
This is a terrible situation, and I am appreciative of all that intervened to
thwart this disaster. My question is: why has the name of a juvenile been
published in association with an alleged crime?
"Me and her were terrified..."Utah really needs to pay
attention to it's schools.Flight simulators are not like flying a
real plane. They'd have ended dead in the dirt. Now they're spending the best
part of life in jail.
@three11stu,So are you suggesting that we wait until they blow up a
school until we stop them. That is ridiculous. There would have to be additional
evidence that would make the police believe there could be danger. Its better to
stop it before it happens and see if the boys can be found innocent or guilty
than to wait and know they were guilty after several deaths and injuries.
@Chris B:Thank you for the link. Correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't
there be the need of something stating that they were going to take action and
bomb the school, or hint that they were going to cause some sort of destruction?
I don't believe that we have all the facts on the case, but simply logging
hours on a flight simulator and having detailed plans about the security system
of the school wouldn't lead to imminent danger.
awesomeron,Besides, barely being able to understand what you are
saying, why the need to switch from "awesomeron" to "Anon"
and back to "awesomeron" in a matter of minutes? 3 scattered and
barely understandable posts don't combine to make 1 good one.
three11stuSaratoga Springs, UTYou may want to review, among
others, the Supreme Court's 1969 ruling in Brandenburg vs. Ohio. What you are
illustrating is not necessarily protected speech, as any number of White Hate
groups have discovered.
EXACTLY RIGHT BRAVE SIR ROBIN!
Who is paying for the flight simulator?Reading comprehension,
people...reading comprehension.Paragraph 7, line 1: "The pair
had also purchased an advanced flight-simulator program and "logged
hundreds of hours" on it, according to Bond"
We have a whole lot of lack of due process here. Plus a lot of judgement before
the facts are proven. Who is paying for the Flight Simulator
Instruction?I am thinking big fairy tale here.
If it was me and I walked. Then the Heroic Student needs to leave the area.
Can we all say much to do about nothing and Snitch.If you found
nothing you have nothing so you have much to do about nothing and talk is cheap.
They may have told this to this "Heoric Student" in order
to fit in and to work his mind.This is what lack of a girl friend on
cold winter days will do for you.If you have full knowledge of a
security system and what it does and does not do then perhaps that system needs
to be looked at.A lot of people lean how to fly. Again a story to
work this Heroic students mind. I want to see what is on the Heroic
Students Hardrive.Perhaps the heroic Student could Not get in on it,
and did not realize there was nothing to get in on.A lot of people
tell storyies because none-ya- business does not shut a lot of people up. To
much butch cassidy and sundance kid movies. Plus lots of cold days with no
releaf.Make for a bad day and a life time worth of trouble.
I am very thankful that this was foiled. I could not imagine how damaging this
could of been to the communities and families.
I so much prefer reading about the apprehension of would-be-evil doers rather
than trying to mourn with the families of victims after the fact. Good job to
everyone involved and kudos to the police department for acting so quickly!
Without any bombs found or dangerous material, is it really a crime to plan
stuff? What if they were just doing this research in their spare time, and were
never going to act out on it, and just wanted to see how it could be done?If I wrote a book about how I would commit a crime, say, robbing a bank, and I
have details about the crime, such as when I would strike and detailed plans of
an escape route and hideouts, etc. does that make me guilty of actually robbing
a bank, or conspiring to rob a bank?
What wrong with you school kids anymore?Going to school is an adventure
for education become a responsible person,good morals to Value ones
life!A big error of a Big mistake..DuhhKids now a days need to find
other sources to keep out of trouble)And Not a great choice to send out
harm's way in ways of death to others!
Why are you giving the 16 year old's name? Don't you have to have parental
permission to write about a minor in instances like this?
Why does the media continue to publish these stories? They contribute to the
problem. These psychos that plan these attacks love the attention from the
media. Quit publishing articles about it and it will help end school attacks.
Time for these kids to meet Justice. Hopefully the 16 year old will be tried as
an adult. These types of actions cannot be tolerated.
@ClarkKent - My guess is they probably were using a home computer program...
"Winham says the teens had plans to escape to Ogden Hinckley Airport and
had trained for hundreds of hours with flight simulators to pilot a
plane."Who was writing the check for hundred of hours with