Another great point by LDS Liberal. Why is it that Utah repubs are so afraid of
education? Perhaps the more education someone has, the less likely they are to
It too bad Utah's legislators don't see education as a good investment. When
Utah's students are graduating from high school and have to take remedial
classes in college just to have the knowledge to pass 100 level college courses,
we are obviously not educating the children! When Utah pays the teachers more
and reduces class size I'll believe Utahns value education.
'Come back with real example of a decrease and maybe we will listen.' - the
truth | 6:16 p.m. Jan. 23, 2012 Was the example of the attempt in
Utah to end affirmative action not enough? Again, that's: **'Utah Legislature: Lawmaker proposes ending affirmative action in higher
education' - By Josh Smith - DSNews - 02/12/10 "'Rep. Curtis
Oda, R-Clearfield, is proposing legislation that would forbid state agencies,
contractors, universities and colleges from providing preference based on race
or sex.' - article But you said you MAY listen. So, odds are, the
far right will and does... NOT listen. As, it is proven
that those who can benefit from Affirmative action, on average make 30% LESS
THAN their white counter parts. Herberts diversity panel.
Utah, dominated by Republicans is 47th in school spending... out of
To the FAR left:The right wing has NEVER decreased spending. Not
ever.Education spending has increase every year even with a
republican controlled legistalture.Come back with real example of a
decrease and maybe we will listen. (and not a decrease in an increase).The "right wing" values education as much as anyone, it is a fact.
John C. C. | 2:23 p.m. Jan. 23, 2012 Payson, UT Agreed.I believe Conservatives hate education because the less educated make
less money [ironically, the exact opposite being true for School Teachers], They can blame unions for the natural Cost-of-Living increases, whilst
patting Corporations for the demise of Middle America, and then blame
Democrats for trying to increase just another evil "Social
Program"!They want America to become a pure Capitalist,
Government free, Zero-Tax, Ignorant and un-educated 3rd world country like
The "improvements" being offered by Utah's current conservative fringe
includes narrowing the focus of college education to job training. One bill may
force students to pay extra for classes that don't lead directly to a degree.
As earlier postings have shown, there is a lot more to education that career
prep. If they truly believed what they claim to believe about parents holding
primary responsibility for their children's education they might want all
parents to be college educated if only to be better parents. We also should
know by now that many future jobs haven't been dreamed of yet. They will be
created by those who are trained to be the best and most creative leaders.
Creativity, flexibility, leadership, and adaptability--wonderful benefits of
American education that made it superior to the "engineer mills" of
the former Soviet Union.I suspect conservatives are afraid of the
"liberal arts," not just because of the word "liberal," but
because a liberal arts education makes one a more thoughtful and independent
thinker--and a wiser voter.
I have a degree from the University of Utah. A Bachelor of Science. If
everyone had one it woud devalue mine. So I hope just those who really want to
work for a diploma get one. Because what if EVERYONE had a degree?
'Unfortunately, the policies of the left wing government...' - John Charity
Spring | 8:27 a.m. Jan. 23, 2012 Umm... **'Utah
Legislature: Lawmaker proposes ending affirmative action in higher education' -
By Josh Smith - DSNews - 02/12/10 "'Rep. Curtis Oda,
R-Clearfield, is proposing legislation that would forbid state agencies,
contractors, universities and colleges from providing preference based on race
or sex.' - article While... **'Study: African Americans
Paid Significantly Less Than Whites' - By Boyce Watkins, PhD - Aug 3rd 2010 **'Herbert's new education panel missing diversity' - By Amy K. Stewart
- Deseret News - 04/19/10 Herberts panel LATER, started to reflect
the people it represented. Utah, has a prodominately CONSERVATIVE
electorate and elected lawmakers. Educations, not military spending
is normally the first thing cut in any budget. So, to make the
claim, with zero evidence that a 'left wing' goverment wants to CUT
education... has no basis in reality.
@ JCS, you are kidding me when you say "the policies of the left wing
government have convinced many that education is not important." That is
far from reality. In fact, it is conservatives who don't want to properly fund
education. I have to wonder if the Salem reactor had some effect....
Unless you are a teacher then a Bachelors degree = about $30,000 a year.What is wrong with this picture?
As a result of left wing policies the majority of American young people would
rather live in their parents' basements playing video games rather than go to
college? That is by far the funniest thing I have read on the blogs in a long
time. Thanks Mr. Seinfeld...oops, Mr. Spring. I say that because I have never
seen the link between that and education. All too often it is that college
educations tend to lead students to become leftist in their politics. Now we
can blame it on secondary education. Pretty soon little Timmy in kindergarten
will be indoctrinated. I'm just saying.
To JCS:In this state it's always the right wing that wants less education
spending, not the left wing.
Yea Michael McLean.So tell us something we didnt already know.The unfortunate truth is that we have allowed the people who would have
the wealth of the world take over the goals of society and education of the
masses is not on their agenda. Education of all people tends to
increase the competition for positions in the rich and powerful group.
Excellant point!So - Why does the GOP, and Utah in particular, hate
education and constantly strives to Defund it?
Roland and Esquire have made some excellent points. Our society would be much
better off if all citizens were determined to obtain as much education as they
possibly could.Unfortunately, the policies of the left wing
government have convinced many that education is not important. The
proliferation of entitlement programs has led many to believe that, simply
because they exist, they are entitled to taxpayer funded health care,
retirement, housing, and food. Those who have accepted this propaganda feel that
education is unnecessary because they feel no need to provide for themselves.As a result of these left wing policies, the majority of American young
people would rather live in their parents' basements playing video games rather
than go to college. This in turn leads to a more ignorant public that is more
accepting of the left wing programs that are destroying this Country.As noted by prior commenters, a lack of education leads to increased rates of
crime, substance abuse, and immorality. These societal ills inflict a huge
financial burden on local communities. We must do everything we can to combat
these ills by fighting the leftist thought that discourages young people from
No one disputes the surpassing importance of education, but discussing education
as if it exists only to confer a degree of some sort, misses the point
entirely.True, a college education may translate into earning
capacity, but should not be seen as conferring an address on easy street. Even
the sum earned by holders of masters degrees is less than the expected wages of
journeyman-level workers in some of the skilled trades. And, such a paltry sum
pales by comparison to the earnings of many hardworking, successful business
owners.But limiting discussion to comparative earnings misses the
point, as well.Learning should be a joy-filled, lifelong endeavor.
No academic degree or earnings level exempts one from an obligation to explore
and understand the people and the universe that surround us.Nor can
one truly "graduate" from seeking to know and do God's will.Many of the most educated people I've encountered never sought or received a
degree, but learn something every day, throughout happy, productive lives -- the
real measure of educational success.
Excellent points. There is great personal benefit to a good and continuing
education. But the benefits go beyond the individual. The benefits to society
are numerous. Education is an investment that provides a return to all of us
over a long period of time, including lower crime, lower taxes, safer lifestyle,
innovation and on and on. Too often we are penny "wise" and pound
foolish, preferring to make decisions based on how cheap we can be today and not
giving any thought to the future.
Here's another reason to go to college: The marriage rates for college grads are
much higher, the divorce rates are much lower, and out of wedlock births are
down in the single digits. If you want a stable marriage and family, there is
nothing that will improve your odds as much as a college degree.