Importance of education

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  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 7:22 p.m.

    Another great point by LDS Liberal. Why is it that Utah repubs are so afraid of education? Perhaps the more education someone has, the less likely they are to vote republican.

  • THarrison SLC, Utah
    Jan. 24, 2012 3:43 p.m.

    It too bad Utah's legislators don't see education as a good investment. When Utah's students are graduating from high school and have to take remedial classes in college just to have the knowledge to pass 100 level college courses, we are obviously not educating the children! When Utah pays the teachers more and reduces class size I'll believe Utahns value education.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2012 9:37 p.m.

    'Come back with real example of a decrease and maybe we will listen.' - the truth | 6:16 p.m. Jan. 23, 2012

    Was the example of the attempt in Utah to end affirmative action not enough?

    Again, that's:

    **'Utah Legislature: Lawmaker proposes ending affirmative action in higher education' - By Josh Smith - DSNews - 02/12/10

    "'Rep. Curtis Oda, R-Clearfield, is proposing legislation that would forbid state agencies, contractors, universities and colleges from providing preference based on race or sex.' - article

    But you said you MAY listen. So, odds are, the far right will and does...

    NOT listen.

    As, it is proven that those who can benefit from Affirmative action, on average make 30% LESS THAN their white counter parts.

    Herberts diversity panel.
    Utah, dominated by Republicans is 47th in school spending...

    out of 50.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Jan. 23, 2012 6:16 p.m.

    To the FAR left:

    The right wing has NEVER decreased spending. Not ever.

    Education spending has increase every year even with a republican controlled legistalture.

    Come back with real example of a decrease and maybe we will listen. (and not a decrease in an increase).

    The "right wing" values education as much as anyone, it is a fact.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 23, 2012 3:13 p.m.

    John C. C. | 2:23 p.m. Jan. 23, 2012
    Payson, UT

    Agreed.

    I believe Conservatives hate education because the less educated make less money [ironically, the exact opposite being true for School Teachers],
    They can blame unions for the natural Cost-of-Living increases,
    whilst patting Corporations for the demise of Middle America,
    and then blame Democrats for trying to increase just another evil "Social Program"!

    They want America to become a pure Capitalist, Government free, Zero-Tax, Ignorant and un-educated 3rd world country like Somalia.

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    Jan. 23, 2012 2:23 p.m.

    The "improvements" being offered by Utah's current conservative fringe includes narrowing the focus of college education to job training. One bill may force students to pay extra for classes that don't lead directly to a degree. As earlier postings have shown, there is a lot more to education that career prep. If they truly believed what they claim to believe about parents holding primary responsibility for their children's education they might want all parents to be college educated if only to be better parents. We also should know by now that many future jobs haven't been dreamed of yet. They will be created by those who are trained to be the best and most creative leaders. Creativity, flexibility, leadership, and adaptability--wonderful benefits of American education that made it superior to the "engineer mills" of the former Soviet Union.

    I suspect conservatives are afraid of the "liberal arts," not just because of the word "liberal," but because a liberal arts education makes one a more thoughtful and independent thinker--and a wiser voter.

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    Jan. 23, 2012 2:10 p.m.

    I have a degree from the University of Utah. A Bachelor of Science. If everyone had one it woud devalue mine. So I hope just those who really want to work for a diploma get one. Because what if EVERYONE had a degree?

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2012 1:15 p.m.

    'Unfortunately, the policies of the left wing government...' - John Charity Spring | 8:27 a.m. Jan. 23, 2012

    Umm...

    **'Utah Legislature: Lawmaker proposes ending affirmative action in higher education' - By Josh Smith - DSNews - 02/12/10

    "'Rep. Curtis Oda, R-Clearfield, is proposing legislation that would forbid state agencies, contractors, universities and colleges from providing preference based on race or sex.' - article

    While...

    **'Study: African Americans Paid Significantly Less Than Whites' - By Boyce Watkins, PhD - Aug 3rd 2010

    **'Herbert's new education panel missing diversity' - By Amy K. Stewart - Deseret News - 04/19/10

    Herberts panel LATER, started to reflect the people it represented.

    Utah, has a prodominately CONSERVATIVE electorate and elected lawmakers.

    Educations, not military spending is normally the first thing cut in any budget.

    So, to make the claim, with zero evidence that a 'left wing' goverment wants to CUT education...

    has no basis in reality.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 23, 2012 11:48 a.m.

    @ JCS, you are kidding me when you say "the policies of the left wing government have convinced many that education is not important." That is far from reality. In fact, it is conservatives who don't want to properly fund education. I have to wonder if the Salem reactor had some effect....

  • Orem Parent Orem, UT
    Jan. 23, 2012 10:03 a.m.

    Unless you are a teacher then a Bachelors degree = about $30,000 a year.

    What is wrong with this picture?

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    Jan. 23, 2012 9:15 a.m.

    As a result of left wing policies the majority of American young people would rather live in their parents' basements playing video games rather than go to college? That is by far the funniest thing I have read on the blogs in a long time. Thanks Mr. Seinfeld...oops, Mr. Spring. I say that because I have never seen the link between that and education. All too often it is that college educations tend to lead students to become leftist in their politics. Now we can blame it on secondary education. Pretty soon little Timmy in kindergarten will be indoctrinated. I'm just saying.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 23, 2012 9:14 a.m.

    To JCS:In this state it's always the right wing that wants less education spending, not the left wing.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 23, 2012 8:57 a.m.

    Yea Michael McLean.

    So tell us something we didnt already know.

    The unfortunate truth is that we have allowed the people who would have the wealth of the world take over the goals of society and education of the masses is not on their agenda.

    Education of all people tends to increase the competition for positions in the rich and powerful group.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 23, 2012 8:50 a.m.

    Excellant point!

    So - Why does the GOP, and Utah in particular, hate education and constantly strives to Defund it?

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    Jan. 23, 2012 8:27 a.m.

    Roland and Esquire have made some excellent points. Our society would be much better off if all citizens were determined to obtain as much education as they possibly could.

    Unfortunately, the policies of the left wing government have convinced many that education is not important. The proliferation of entitlement programs has led many to believe that, simply because they exist, they are entitled to taxpayer funded health care, retirement, housing, and food. Those who have accepted this propaganda feel that education is unnecessary because they feel no need to provide for themselves.

    As a result of these left wing policies, the majority of American young people would rather live in their parents' basements playing video games rather than go to college. This in turn leads to a more ignorant public that is more accepting of the left wing programs that are destroying this Country.

    As noted by prior commenters, a lack of education leads to increased rates of crime, substance abuse, and immorality. These societal ills inflict a huge financial burden on local communities. We must do everything we can to combat these ills by fighting the leftist thought that discourages young people from seeking education.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Jan. 23, 2012 8:10 a.m.

    No one disputes the surpassing importance of education, but discussing education as if it exists only to confer a degree of some sort, misses the point entirely.

    True, a college education may translate into earning capacity, but should not be seen as conferring an address on easy street. Even the sum earned by holders of masters degrees is less than the expected wages of journeyman-level workers in some of the skilled trades. And, such a paltry sum pales by comparison to the earnings of many hardworking, successful business owners.

    But limiting discussion to comparative earnings misses the point, as well.

    Learning should be a joy-filled, lifelong endeavor. No academic degree or earnings level exempts one from an obligation to explore and understand the people and the universe that surround us.

    Nor can one truly "graduate" from seeking to know and do God's will.

    Many of the most educated people I've encountered never sought or received a degree, but learn something every day, throughout happy, productive lives -- the real measure of educational success.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 23, 2012 6:48 a.m.

    Excellent points. There is great personal benefit to a good and continuing education. But the benefits go beyond the individual. The benefits to society are numerous. Education is an investment that provides a return to all of us over a long period of time, including lower crime, lower taxes, safer lifestyle, innovation and on and on. Too often we are penny "wise" and pound foolish, preferring to make decisions based on how cheap we can be today and not giving any thought to the future.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 23, 2012 12:22 a.m.

    Here's another reason to go to college: The marriage rates for college grads are much higher, the divorce rates are much lower, and out of wedlock births are down in the single digits. If you want a stable marriage and family, there is nothing that will improve your odds as much as a college degree.