BYU basketball: Ice-cold from 3-point land dooms Cougars

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  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    Jan. 21, 2012 1:09 p.m.

    BYU needs to open games by going inside 1st, then start taking the opportunity 3's as they come in the flow, we came out forcing up 3 pointers to get started off on the wrong foot then precedent was set for the game.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    Jan. 21, 2012 12:31 p.m.

    Anonymus Infinity: I agree with some things you said, the rough play in the paint, some meaty bigs would help and maybe most important would be some good perimeter defense. That said , I totally disagree with your comments on the 3 pt shot , I'm an old timer (in my 60's) and the 3 pt shot has opened the game up and brought some interesting dimensions to the game. Having the 3 pt shot makes the game interesting. How coaches and players use the 3 pt shot is debatable but having it as part of the game is a good thing. Usually the cougs use it to their advantage. The player today rely too much on the 3 pt shot and need to learn how to use the mid range jumper more. Too often they either shoot the 3 or go all the way to the hole, the mid range game is not something most of the young kids have and it is something coaches need to push for players to develop and use.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 21, 2012 11:26 a.m.


    two words: reading comprehension

    I didn't blame the refs.

    And yes, BYU should have been driving more when the outside shots weren't falling. That said, even when BYU gets off to a cold start from 3PT, they usually heat up at some point in the game; it just didn't happen against LMU.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 21, 2012 11:13 a.m.

    Carlino is very capable of penetrating into the paint and making a big play. He just didn't do it very much. When the 3's aren't falling, you have to create by driving into the paint, just like Ireland did.

  • Ares Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 21, 2012 10:17 a.m.

    Can't blame the refs on this one Riddles.

    If half of those players decided to just try to drive it in for 2 points, the cougies would have won.

    When you live by the 3, you die by the 3.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2012 9:03 a.m.

    Malibu is just the ticket to heating up BYU's outside shooting again. Still, if BYU's guards had driven inside more when the outside shots weren't falling, the Cougars would have had a better chance of beating LMU. A lesson learned.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Jan. 20, 2012 4:59 p.m.

    The problem isn't necessarily that they couldn't hit threes. The problem was that they kept shooting them; often very early in the shot clock without even looking for other options. If the outside shot is all you have, take what they give you. But there were other options. And even if the outside shot was the only option, it didn't have to be from such long range. One of the first things my first real basketball coach ever taught me was this: if you can take a step or two closer to the basket and still have an open shot, do it. Had the Cougars done that, maybe they would have made a few more of those outside shots. They might have been worth just two points, but maybe it would have made the difference.

    And don't forget one other thing that hurt last night: Mr. Charles Abouo. He pretty much single handedly killed the Cougars rally toward the end. One possession remains in my mind: After nearly turning the ball over on a forced pass to Davies that just happened to bounce right back to him, Abouo then threw the ball right to the LMU player. Yuck.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 20, 2012 2:24 p.m.

    get the 3 pointer out of the game? dude this isnt the 50's

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    Jan. 20, 2012 11:15 a.m.

    You live by the sword, and you die by the sword. I have never like the 3 point basket, nor the 3 free throws on an foul. It has ruined the game at all levels. In the first place in high school and college it is two short. It has ruined the game. Couple that with the wrestling match that has evolved in post guarding. The fouling the officials allow is ludicrous. Clean up the game and get the 3 pointer out of the game. BYU should not come out shooting the long shots. The need to establish the inside game and draw fouls, if any will be called by the zebras. This loss was totally unnecessary. I am appalled by the strategy by the coaches. Now the Cougars are behind the eightball. The failure of backup big people is also a glaring weakness; particularly at the foul line. We need some meaty bigs on this club; plus some perimeter guarding. The LMU coaches took the Cougars to school; and it turns out they were just the better team last night.

  • Old ball coach Sandy, UT
    Jan. 20, 2012 10:01 a.m.

    Chirp Chirp Chirp.....three bid league my butt.....nice Cougars and at home!!!!

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 20, 2012 9:06 a.m.

    Well, that's not good. Puts even more emphasis on the 4 big games remaining on the regular season schedule. A win at Va. Tech would go a long way toward making up for this loss. I still think the Cougs have a shot at a 8-10 seed in the tourny, but they can't slip up again and need to beat the Zags and St. Mary's at home and beat Va. Tech on the road. Then make it to the conference tournament finals.

    Bad shooting nights happen. It is part of living by the three point shot and being a young team.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 19, 2012 11:21 p.m.

    Refs missed a few calls, but you can blame this solely on 2 for 25 shooting from 3pt. It's amazing that an entire team that's been shooting 40% from 3pt could all be so ice cold, at home, on the same night.

    Ireland is very good; BYU had nobody who could guard him one on one, kinda like Jimmer last year, but without the deep three range. It would have been interesting to see if Jackson could have slowed him down.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 19, 2012 10:03 p.m.

    LMU's perimeter defense was nothing out of the ordinary. Yes, some shots were contested but most were open looks. Also, most of BYU's losses have been influenced by a big discrepancy in made free throws.