"Didn't Obama find a loophole by having us pay for his vacations?" No, it is the same as has been done for over 200 years."Taxing people is a scam, and what laws did Romney break?"Taxing people is a scam? Really?As to the laws, None, other than
the pure size of the hipocracy here. For three years all we have heard is why
didn't Obama release his personal information in a timely manner (grades, birth
certificate, etc). And yet now that the darling child is balking at releasing
his data, we have excuse upon excuse made for him.The fact that the
rich only pay 15% of their income in taxes, and yet we are all up in "arms
about soaking it to the rich" falls kind of deaf ears when the facts are
all presented. I personally will be taking over $100k in deduction off my
income this year. No one, no corporation, pays the advertised tax rate. It is
always far lower than the maximum rate.And lastly, it is all about
the right wage class warefar on the poor. Less than 2 percent get their income
from the government. Hardly a begger nation.
UtahBlueDevil,"Now we find he pays no Social Security, and pays
only 15% income tax because of loop holes."Taxing people is a
scam, and what laws did Romney break?Didn't Obama find a loophole by
having us pay for his vacations? Half or more of our people find
loopholes by collecting entitlements of off the backs of people like Romney.We're a nation of beggars.
So cougarkeith, you mentioned the "compromise" word. Why did he do
that. As we all know, the right is the party of no compromise. He wasn't
running for re-election, so he didn't need the votes, why did he compromise his
values? Are you saying it was because it was the popular thing to do in MA, so
he went along with legislation he didn't morally agree with? Its all very
confusing.I was very excited when I first heard Mit was running for
office. I really was. But then I watched the slow transformation of Mit into
the flavor of the day. He joined the NRA, claimed himself a hunter (though
later he had only gone twice, and that was for small rodents). He shift to the
right, just to get elected was most disappointing. Then he began his slew of
false adds - one where he claimed Obama was saying "we talk to much about
employment", only to be found out when the full tape was reviewed, he was
quoting McCain, a clear misrepresentation of the facts.Now we find
he pays no Social Security, and pays only 15% income tax because of loop holes.
Can't support that.
What makes everyone so SURE Romney is a "MODERATE"? The Fact is he is
a CONSERVATIVE! As Governor look who he worked with in the state legislature,
over 70% VERY LIBERAL DEMOCRATS! We are talking Massechusetts, not Texas, not
Alaska, and certainly not Utah! Of course he compromised at times, however he
did what the PEOPLE of HIS STATE wanted him to do (BIG DIFFERENCE)! he didn't do
what he wanted. He left them with a Two Billion Dollar SLUSH FUND when he left
office, if you do your research the state was back in the hole within 3 years
after a Liberal Democrat Governor TOOK OFFICE! Romney was Governor for just 4
years! Remember the Fraud, and hole our Olympic games were in here in Salt Lake?
Guess what, he was called in, and TURNED IT AROUND into one of the most
successful Winter Olympic Games In History! As a Business man sure jobs were
lost, yet thousands MORE JOBS than lost were created! HE IS, and always HAS BEEN
"PRO-LIFE", however political correctness wording is misleading! He
believes firstly in FREEDOM OF CHOICE, HOWEVER: "The Choice Should Always
Be For LIFE!" It's that simple! He_Is_OUR_MAN!
Everyone is so sure the media controls the elections and the candidates but in
reality it is the voters that are controlled by the media. Instead of believing
everything that your favorite TV talking head says or print journalist writes,
how about a little bit of investigating on your own of candidates. It is easy
enough to blame the media but by doing so you are admitting that they are the
controlling force of how you will vote. It is amazing how one reads in these
comments if you are a conservative voter that the media is liberal and if you
are a liberal voter the media is conservative. Where does that leave the
moderate, independent voter (the majority)? Out doing there own research and
actually decideing the electionout come.Don't be one of the
media sheep followers that only bleats on and on show some independence.
What a ridiculously one-sided article! Based on an opinion that the Republicans
will fail and the GOP will fall apart.The article obvously overlooks
the failures of the Obama administration and the Pelosi-Reed congress.
'As Mitt Romney rides wave of momentum, GOP remains divided' - Title
This is not, partisan rhetoric. Just after the Iowa vote: **Iowa vote dosent resolve GOP search for identity by Charles Babington AP
Published by the DSNews 01/04/12 June & August of 2011: **'Poll: Less than half of GOP primary voters satisfied with 2012
field' - By Mark Murray - NBC News - 06/15/11 **'GOP race narrows,
but there's still no front runner' - By Steven Thomma, McClatchy Newspapers -
Published by DSNews - 08/14/11 The Republican party has only
ever worked to make Americans beg for jobs, and put's corporate profit ABOVE the
well-being of this country. As exampled by: **Senate
Republicans likely to kill Obama jobs bill By Andrew Taylor AP Published by
DSNews 10/11/11 Or apologizing to BP...for the BP oil spill. Or 'Log Cabin Republicans' a gay Republican group...succesfully
repealing 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'...allowing openly gay service in the
military. As: **'Homosexuality Is a Sin: Rick Perry
Tells Bisexual Teen Why He Opposes Gays in the Military' - By Buck Sexton - The
Blaze - 12/19/2011 Is it any wonder the majority of Americans,
Republicans included, refuse to support Republicans?
@Doug 10Why didn't Obama change things, (whatever that is) when he
had super-majorities in congress? As per my last post, Obama is not
interested in reducing any spending except the military, which he wants to
downsize. I happen to believe that if a government must employ people paid for
by taxpayer dollars, some of the best jobs are military. Those are much more
useful jobs than a lot of the make work paper pushing jobs that inhabit the
Since Pres Obama has been in office there are now over 400,000 fewer jobs in
government.The GOP plan for the economy is located where?I went to Mitts site and his plan is hopefully not to be foisted upon this
country, but if it is it will be 3-5 years before unemployment improves, USA
spends 178 million a day supporting overseas govenments and countries. Mitt
plans to cut it but $100 million annually which is less than ones days spending.
It is hard to believe that one.The military spends like there is no
tomorrow, Mitt plans to increase their budget.Mitt has offended the
Dems reagardless if their ideas had merit or not for the past 5 years. If
elected how much help can he expect from the other side?There is a
finacnial war going on and this country is losing. Pres Obama wanted to change
things, he proved unable to do it. Changing the name on the whitehouse door
will not win the war and if you go to Mitts website it is clear there is no
winner there.This election is about arguing and winning but not
winning the war.
Uh, did any of you Democrats/Obama supporters notice that only a few days ago
Obama asked for an increase in the dept limit? Well he did, and guess what he
was asking for. Over a TRILLION dollars more to spend. That should say it all
about this guy. Another 4 years of Obama and the U.S. will be in bankruptcy
Obama wants more power, so he can consolidate government programs. This would
slim government and make it more effecient.Isn't that what Romney
did with Bain? Wouldn't Obama's plan cause thousands of jobs to be lost?
"...Tune into FOX and watch for 5 minutes. Thats all it takes for my point
to be validated. They discuss nothing but people and parties and attack each
personally and intimately. They do not talk about policy, issues, and their
reprocussions and consequences...".Excellent points.
@The Taxman"It seems to me we have a competent president who is
stopping the bleeding."That's because they changed the way they
calculate unemployment in this country. People who are without work KNOW they
don't have a job. They aren't concerned with how government accountants crunch
the numbers. But this is the bigger problem with the philosophy of the
Democrats. There is still 8.5% (officially) unemployment and that is seen as
'not bad.' But the REAL bleeding I'm talking about is the massive
size of the government and spending. It's out of control. It's unsustainable.
@A1994: "We have to stop the bleeding." What
"bleeding" are you talking about? The stock market (up almost 50%
since Obama took office), consumer confidence (which has been increasing),
unemployment (which has been improving)?It seems to me we have a
competent president who is stopping the bleeding.
Yeah, incredibly divided. Mitt is a great candidate and will probably get the
nomination. I hate Newt Gingrich. I think the guy is one of the worst kind of
politicians. But if he or Santorum or even Perry was on the top of the ticket
against Obama, I'd still vote AGAINST Obama. No question what the goal is this
year. We have to stop the bleeding.
Jonathan: Watching the debate last night, it was clear that Rons Paulestinians
gave him, as always, an energetic response. I'm reminded of 1992 when I made
the mistake of voting for, and being energized by, Ross Perot, and watched as
myself and others like me (sick of the gridlock in Washington, even back then)
handed the presidency to Bill Clinton and the democrats. I fear that if Paul
becomes the nominee, too many independents and moderate conservatives will stay
with Obama. And if Paul decides to run as a third party (I know he says he will
not), he WILL split the conservative vote and hand the office back to Obama.
Either way the country loses. Plain and simple, here is why I could
not vote for Ron Paul: In 23 years in Congress, only 1 of his proposed bills has
been signed into law. That is out of 620 pieces of legislation which he helped
author. Only 1! He would be unable to get anything done.
Vote out of office every incumbent from your local people to the national
tickets, it's all we can do voters. And I "mean" every incumbent, then
lets pressure for term limits, then arrest the financial,jerks like wall street,
the banksters, next insurance, then medical, oil and the pharm co's, now we are
rolling. Get it done quick and send the message that we are sick and tired of
lies, deciet, stealing and greedy bigs!
What a group of "total unqualified losers" period!
@don17"Its just a fact:Harry Reid refuses to give the Republican
supported bills that would help the economy a chance. Just tell Harry the
Democrat to just give them a up or down vote! Obama squeels about it, but
reality is the Democrats hold the economy hostage! "And
Republicans block all the Democratic jobs bills, filibustering them to death in
the senate. One could argue that both parties are holding up the other parties'
Blue: Just saying the Republicans have no plan does not make it true. 27 Bills
have been passed by the House waiting Democrat Senate action to get business
moving again. For three years the Senate has not passed a full year budget and
this year they have not even considered one! Here are a few bills approved by
the House waiting on any type of action from the Senate. All are geared to HELP
small business and create jobs. Passed bills have had votes like 391-28 Review
of Federal Regulation H.Res 72. Others:Reducing Regulatory Burdens
HR872Consumer Financial Protection HR1315Transparency in Regulatory
Analysis of Impacts HR2401Cement Sector Regulatory Relief HR2681EPA
Regulatory Relief HR2250Regulatory Accountability HR3010Farm Dust
Regulation Prevention HR1633Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation
HR3630Small Company Capital Formation HR1070Small Bank Access to
Capital HR1965Entreprenuer Access to Capital HR2930Its just a
fact:Harry Reid refuses to give the Republican supported bills that would help
the economy a chance. Just tell Harry the Democrat to just give them a up or
down vote! Obama squeels about it, but reality is the Democrats hold the economy
@Patriot,You failed to point out however, that it was the last 2 years of
the Bush administration with rising unemployment rates. You also fail to mention
that the economy had collapsed, BEFORE Obama was president.
There is a good song about this whole issue. It is a parody of the Johnny Cache
song "Solitary Man".Search youtube for Romney Man and
you'll find the parody song.
While I enjoy the debates, I am becoming very weary of only hearing attacks on
Romney. I learn nothing about the other candidates that would make me vote for
them. The issue of Romney's tax return is a joke and simply irrelevant. Do you
think you will learn anything more about his financial situation than you
already know. He makes alot of money. This does not disqualify him as a
candidate. Frankly, I am looking for someone who understands the economy and
knows what action needs to be taken. Half of the misinformation about Romney and
Bain Capital took place after he had left the company. What I am beginning to
think is that the rest of the field is quite weak in comparison as I have not
heard anything from them of substance other than wild statements. Now, when this
is all over, I do not want to hear any of these candidates come out in support
of Romney if in fact he wins the nomination. Based on their comments to date,
how could they possibly endorse him.
re:The Great HoudiniPLEASE turn off MSNBC and do some 'actual
research'. Better off huh? Let's see, I guess you consider 4 years of 9-10%
unemployment better off? Six out of 8 of the Bush years unemployment was 4.5%.
Obama took over when unemployment was 6.8%. African American unemployment is
around 15% - the highest since Jimmy Carter. The Obama national debt is
staggering. Obama has increased the debt almost double what Bush did ... and all
in 3.5 years.. which has led to our credit rating being down graded (first time
ever). But I guess in your mind all of this is good??? Do you even understand
economics ? Capitalism? Unemployment? I think you have a pretty good handle on
I made a lot of Money during the Carter Years. Yes inflation was high. You just
do not buy things that are inflated. You could get 10% interest on a Passbook
Savings Account so on $100,000 that would be $10,000 and you could live modestly
on $10,000 a year. Now its 1% if your lucky and that yeilds $1,000 dollars and 1
Million yealds $10,000 and you can't retire on 1 Million Dollars any more. I could have done without the Gas inines but in Phoenix we went and got
Aero Mexico at the Cicrle K late at night and not much line if any. Most people
did not want to deal with Leaded Mexican Gas. I never had a problem with it.
This went on for a couple of years. WE got by we got along and we
got through it. I was Not into a certain Thrift because I thought the Feds where
going to close it down, and they did. I lost my money in an ugly
divorce which was worth every cent.It was Ten or more before I would
get enough Money to Not live paycheck to paycheck.
It's almost refreshing that the criticism and questions about Romney (for now)
lie on his venture ("vulture") capitalism endeavors rather than his
romney is sneaky and shifty,not to be trusted,I`ll stick with Obama,who btw,is
actually doing a pretty decent job despite all the repubs efforts to make him
look bad.It`s not working, most of us are actually way better off now than we
were under bush
re:Happy Valley HereticYou're a funny guy. Uninformed but funny. Yes
those golden Jimmy Carter years that you liberals remember so fondly. Remember?
Yes the years of 23% interest rates and inflation? The never ending ugly
recession? The bogus gas shortage. The Iran Hostage fiasco. So I guess the fact
that Reagan CUT taxes which resulted in interest rates returning to low single
digits was a bad thing? And the economy booming a bad thing? And the military
being restored and cold war being won a bad thing? Holy cow - what do liberals
consider a good thing? Oh I know - Greece going bankrupt and the people burning
cars in the street after following FAILED Marxist socialism policies. Yes sir -
follow bankrupt socialist Europe over the cliff huh? Your clueless Marxist
President Obama is following the European model quite nicely. Recall too that at
least Bill Clinton was smart enough to compromise with the GOP controlled
congress and sign on to the "Contract with America" which led to some
pretty darn good economic years as well. Not Obama - no sir. This leftest
ideologist knows only one thing - TAX BORROW AND SPEND. After all - its the
European way!! The 2010 mid terms were a shocking wake up call for the dem's
that were paying attention and the 2012 election will be an even bigger shocker.
The Main Stream Republican Party does not want Mitt, because they do not think
he can win. Evan though Mitt may or may not be Mormon enough, not an
issue.The Far Right is Not going to Vote for Mitt, only the
Republicans, Near, Center or Left of Center would do that. The Fundamentalist
Democrats won't because he is a Mormon, regardless of how much of one he may
be.Mormons when they are in Office work to Stop Abortion and Mitt
not only did not, he said and did, everything he could to protect the females
"right to choose". Plus paid for Abortion in his Massachusetts Health
Care Plain. I still want his epiphany moment on becoming Pro Life. Could it be
when and only when the plane lands in Utah. The Hordes will not Vote
for Obama again they just won't Vote. I don't have TV but I don't hear yet that
I am a Raciest because I won't Vote for Obama this time like I was when I did
Not last time. I live in a See, Hear and Speak No Evil Blue State and Obama will
take 3 E Vote Hawaii. Not that it matters.
If for no other reason it provides jobs. Teaches work ethics and job skills,
such as showing up, doing workyou may not want to do. (Clean the Vomit). Above
all working with people you may not want to work with. Also it can
say, I better not drop out, and I better go to college or I may be doing this
the rest of my life.I would hold to Min Wage Rules and perhaps a lot
of people working short work weeks with No Sundays Work.My Son who
is now 23 works most Sundays in Retail, I would not stand for it and his still
living at home, and did not when he was a teenager. However iin our
society which is weak that we can't keep from shopping 1 day a week and its work
Sunday or have No Job and it darn hard to get a job evan with College Credits,
you have to kind of give in, if you want your kid working and moving on.Now he can finally learn to Drive and take someone out and pay for the
Slurpee.Jobs for Youth are Vital. Do Not the Members clean the
Is anybody else sick and tired of people refering to the main stream media as
liberal leaning? All you have to do is follow the money and see who owns the TV
networks, etc. and it sure isn't the liberals with but one exception. Your
senseless rhetoric is indeed becoming very tiresome. If you don't have a
voiable plan, by all means blame the liberal (as it were) media. What a joke.
In the debate last night Newt Gingrich didn't mention something about his 13
year-old daughter's first job as a janitor. The rest of the story is the reason
why she was given that job at the church that she attended with her single mom
and sister. Their pastor and congregation did all they could to take care of
the family because her father was a deadbeat dad. Gingrich did everything he
could to avoid paying child support and alimony while his family lived on the
generosity of their church.Newt may be right about poor kids needing
to learn to work. Seems like all kids need to learn that and maybe rich kids
have a harder time learning it than poor kids. But what we don't need is
another government program interfering with how local school districts run their
schools or clean their schools.
@RivertonCougar"I hate to break it to you, but the Republican plan
makes more sense considering how much debt we are in already. "No it's not. Romney's tax and defense policies alone increase the deficit
~200-250 billion a year (his tax policy is 180 billion of it, I don't know
exactly what defense spending increases he wants, just that he wants increased
defense spending so I'll call it 20-70 billion or 3-10% of defense spending
increase). The only way to reign in the deficit is to cut spending AND raise
taxes while with Romney you need massive spending cuts just to get to Obama
Obama wouldn't have needed Republican support (although he would have gotten
it)to approve the Keystone pipeline which would have provided approx. 20k
jobs.If Obama demanded stronger and tougher enforcement of illegal
alien workers being here taking American jobs, (or allowed the states to enforce
immigration)wouldn't that have provided more jobs for working Americans?He didn't need Congressional approval for either of those things.Why didn't he DO those things if he actually wanted jobs for
Americans?Then there's the issue of employers being afraid to hire
workers due to Obamacare costs.Most of us conservatives believe he
only wants more jobs for government employees.Thats what we're seeing so
far in his Presidency.
Twitter polls (yeah, I know, not official) had Ron Paul winning this debate
overwhelmingly. I saw the debate and after 40 minutes of shunning Dr. Paul, this
hostile panel finally asked him tough and somewhat demeaning questions and he
smoked the panel and the other candidates (in my humble opinion). Regardless of
who you choose to vote for, I implore you; read the text of this article. Look
at the picture that goes along with this article. Is someone
missing? Why? What is mainstream media afraid of?
"The Republicans filibustering everything to help create jobs is the main
impediment to making progress. Their stubborn refusal to add any revenue is why
deficit deals are small. Democrats have been willing to put entitlements on the
table if taxes are put on it too."For one, you haven't
considered how much Obama's job-creating bills will cost the nation. If I'm
hungry, I'm not going to be spending $20 for a loaf of bread unless I am
desperate (and we are not to that point just yet). Two, you make it sound like
the Republicans are only trying to cut revenue, when in fact they want to bring
balance by cutting spending. Democrats, on the other hand, want to increase
spending and then increase revenue to compensate.I hate to break it
to you, but the Republican plan makes more sense considering how much debt we
are in already. Needlessly adding more is just stupid. Besides, isn't that why
the Democrats hate Bush so much? How hypocritical!
GOP is still looking for "Anybody BUT Romney".The media doesn't
divide the GOP, religions zealotry does, and will continue to. Because
part of being conservative is not looking for common ground, but why your
religion (or party) is the only correct religion and all others are an
abomination.The tent continues to shrink, as the party of corporate
control continues to be exposed for the destruction of America that
started with reaganomics, one of the biggest jokes played on the American
people.Trickle down, torrent up redistribution of the middle class to the
The headline is prejudicial. As long as there is more than 1 candidate, the
party will be "divided." The headline implies some sort of
ideological divide that does not exist.
@ Still Blue after all these years | 12:48 p.m. Jan. 17, 2012 You said,
"Romney will turn out to be more conservative than many think. He's
anything buy dumb. He knows the deficit and national debt have to be turned
around." If he faces those facts, he'll raise taxes and cut
the defense department. Being conservative and responibly dealing with reality
went out of fasion with George H. W. Bush.
re:atl134Exactly my point. Let's see what were Obama's poll numbers
among independents back in 2008??Hmmm, seems to me they were somewhere in
the 66% in favor and now they are nearing 30%... that is a whopping 50% change
for the KEY independent voters who - as I said - were fooled in 2008 but won't
be fooled again in 2012. These independent voters can't wait to re-cast their
vote and right the wrong of 2008. As I mentioned also - the liberal media kept
saying that the 2010 mid-terms were going to be razor close. Yes all the
so-called polls said it as was too close to call. The 2010 mid terms ended up
being a LANDSLIDE for the GOP not only in congress but also in governor races
all across the nation. 2012 will be the same for your Dem's - only worse. As
people enter the voting booth in November the 800 lb gorilla in the room is
going to be the economy and I can't think of too many unemployed democrat's that
are going to vote for 4 more years of unemployment with Obama - can you??
@1conservative"That's because Obama IS the main impediment to making
progress. "No he's not. The Republicans filibustering
everything to help create jobs is the main impediment to making progress. Their
stubborn refusal to add any revenue is why deficit deals are small. Democrats
have been willing to put entitlements on the table if taxes are put on it too.
@"Blue"That's because Obama IS the main impediment to
making progress. He controls the Senate and has the power of the veto.We ALL realize he's great at shifting blame to ANYONE ELSE BUT HIM, but at the
end of the day, he SHOULD be leading.He's not!BTW -
Obama and the Demos. complaints about "tax cuts for millionaires"
isn't the issue. The issue is government spending more than they have.
It would make NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever if "millionaires" were taxed at
99% rate, the government would spend all that and more!
CI: "The GOP has a pretty clear goal of ending the misguided policies of
Obama..."Which is why conservatives aren't getting any traction
with the substantial majority of American voters who consider themselves to be
"moderates."The only goal the GOP has clearly articulated
is that they seek to make Obama as ineffective as possible. They
don't actually have anything resembling workable alternative solutions to the
myriad pressing problems we face as a nation - just an endless call for
defeating Obama (and ever more tax cuts for millionaires). That
unhelpful message isn't giving middle-of-the-road Americans much confidence in
the ability of the GOP to run the country.
@"patriot and "cottagecheese"I AGREE wholeheartedly.
Romney's biggest impediment to a sure election is a media that is totally biased
against anything Republican.This Presidential election will be a big
test of whether Americans want to be victimized and "dumbed down" by
the lamestream media.I don't think that Americans are near as stupid
as the MSM believes them to be!
And we want to let these kind of people be our leaders. No wonder Congress is so
@patriot"Folks have been waiting for nearly 4 miserable years to
re-cast their mistaken vote on 2008 and throw Obama and his fellow radicals out
the door."Polling shows Obama leading every Republican
candidate by half a dozen or more points except Romney who Obama leads by 2
Romney will turn out to be more conservative than many think. He's anything
buy dumb. He knows the deficit and national debt have to be turned around.
Face facts, Gingrich and Santorum are not chasing the social conservative vote.
They are chasing the evangelical who don't like Mormon's vote. That's hardly
a plurality of republicans.
I agree with both comments made above, particularly the one about the media.Mainstream media is attempting to show weakness, unhappiness,
frustration, and distrust within the GOP. Why? Because the mainstream media's
homeboy is Obama.They have difficulty attacking proposed policies,
procedures and legislation becuase it is all sound. What are they left with to
attack? People and parties.Tune into MSNBC and watch for 5 minutes.
Thats all it takes for my point to be validated. They discuss nothing but
people and parties and attack each personally and intimately. They do not talk
about policy, issues, and their reprocussions and consequences.Barf.
To Jamshid Ghazi Askar, try to show a little bit - just a little bit - of
non-partisan journalism here. Your liberal leaning ideology makes your articles
better suited to east coast liberals instead of Rocky Mountain conservatives.
Recall the 2010 mid term elections and the united opposition to Obama and the
democrat's - 2012 is going to be WORSE for your beloved liberals. Folks have
been waiting for nearly 4 miserable years to re-cast their mistaken vote on 2008
and throw Obama and his fellow radicals out the door. You talk about Mitt Romney
but who you should be talking about is the REAL leading candidate and his name
is ABO (Anybody But Obama). Yes ABO is who all conservatives and a majority of
independents want as well as many "unemployed democrat's". ABO is
gaining more and more momentum as well as Obama continues to flounder in his