Great post Samoan Y fan. I also should add that Utah got tired of the many beat
downs suffered from the legendary Lavell who brought in pro-style QB's such as
Detmer,Young, and others while Utah was content with their outdated running
game. They finally got wise and brought in Urban Meyer who installed a
spread/gimmick offense. I can understand they are envious of the mighty Cougars
who have the National brand to go independent while Utah needs to belong to a
conference since the only time they get noticed is their two undefeated seasons
sandwiched between mediocre MWC finishes. Also before you all predict a run for
the roses next year realize that it is a lot harder when your PAC-12 buddies are
now concerned about you since a loss could ruin their run for the roses. So if
you are hoping that your run for the roses gets you a nice fat BCS check you had
better hope that the BCS keeps the status quo cause they are considering changes
that could make you just as irrelevant as your Big Brother B.Y.U. was this year.
MiPUtah fans are always whining about living too far in the past, so
how about just the Bronco/Kyle era?Bronco 5Kyle 3As for Top 15 finishesBronco 3Kyle 1If that
doesn't work for you, why not just count lifetime Top 25 finishes?All-time Top 25 FinishesBYU 18Utah 7When it comes to
football, Utah fans are the only ones who have to twist facts by playing the
"we're only going to count records from 2003 to 2011" game.
I don't see the Utes going with Crowton, but they could do worse, I suppose.
Now, Jim Fassel, not that he would do it...but boy wouldn't the =====Cougars - Wise Older Brothers | 1:43 p.m. Jan. 13, 2012 Anaheim, CA ImaCaMan"BYU #25/#26 (ranked 5 of the last 6
seasons)Utah unranked (ranked 3 of the last 6 seasons)"Once again: There is no "#26", otherwise the Utes would have been
"#23/#26" last season, and no cougar would recognize their position in
the AP---it's always "unranked" for 2010 and "Top-15"
finishes of each year not ending in a "5." Oh, and why
"the last 6 years"? Why not the last 8 or 9 even? Oh yeah, it wouldn't
work out so nicely. Is it really wisdom, or simply the ability to twist stats to
prove any point you wish?====And a word about "Little
Brothers." Nephi was a little brother. Just sayin'.
Crowton won a national title in 2007 with LSU-----and he may have helped them
win another last week if they had retained him.
@SamoanYfan 2:53You said - "I think this would be so awesome.
Whittingham continuing to hire former BYU coaches/alumni with himself being one
too. Coach Whit had such an awesome experience at BYU that he wants to make Utah
just like it. Then Utah can be filled with arrogant, self-righteous,
holier-than-thou, nah nah nah in yo face, and chest puffin' fans/alumni
too...just like BYU right?"Pot, meet kettle.
I think probably Gary crowton is too good for utah.
I think Whit interviewed Crowton as a favor, nothing more. It gets Crowton's
name in the news and makes him seem slightly more desirable to other employers.
Whit is not going to actually hire Crowton.
These Crowton type rumors, are merely something for the newspaper and talk radio
people to blather on about until the time comes for coach Whit to hire his
O.C.I've said it before, he's waiting for Adam Gase, Q/B coach for
the Denver Broncos, but with them still involved in the playoffs, he's waiting
until after their season is finished so as not to interfer with the Bronco's
preparation.As soon as Denver is out, coach Whit and coach Gase will
finalize the deal. So in the mean time, keep talking about Crowton
and others who don't have a chance. Here's a rumor, Doman is thinking of
switching, it makes about as much sense as Crowton.
Why do so many people keep mentioning Sanford. Yes he was a successful Offensive
Coordinator at Utah under Urban Meyer, but it's well known in Ute circles that
Whittingham and Sanford did not get along and had a few run ins. I won't be to
specific on those because it can't be proven here in this forum. Anyway, although Gary Crowton did not find success as a head coach, he has
been a very successful Offensive Coordinator. He was fantastic at the highest
level of the SEC while at LSU. While there, his offenses were atop the nation,
and LSU won a national title. Also, Crowton did a fine job at
Oregon.Yes, the Maryland job did not go well last year. That's
understood, but I think Crowton would do a fine job at Utah.Remember, Chow had a rough couple of years at UCLA before coming to Utah.
Despite Utah's offense not being prolific last season, Chow worked some magic
revamping the offense for the players he had left after the onslaught of
injury.Crowton would be a good choice as far as I am concerned.
PUH-LEASE NOT THAT GUY!!
I've thrown it out before, and think there is likely no possible way to pay him
enough to pull him away from broadcasting, but it would be the ultimate hire to
coach against BYU, where he played, and Utah State, where he coached: Brian
Billick.Broke NFL team offensive records with the Minnesota Vikings,
and before that turned a terrible Aggies team into an unlikely offensive
juggernaut in only 3 years. Of course he's best known as head coach of a team
with decent offense and stellar defense (sound familiar?), and leading them to
win it all. Will likely never happen, but could you imagine??
That's a tough call. The reality is that you may not have a potential
coordinator with a more complete and distinguished resume than Crowton. National
champion at LSU as coordinator, was the coordinator who first began to instill
that spread scheme that made Oregon the explosive offensive machine it is today
(although obviously Chip Kelly took that to a whole other level), has been a
coordinator at the NFL level with the Bears (which means if Utah still wants to
have a pro-style system, he has the experience obviously). And even at BYU, that
train sure derailed his last couple seasons, but that was a record-breaking team
his first year there. He also brought in some big prospects as a recruiter
there, namely Collie, Beck, Brown, Olsen (who was the #1 QB in the nation,
impressive at the time even if he didn't pan out). He got commitments from Ngata
and Mohateau, the top OL and DL in the nation even if they ultimately ended up
elsewhere... so there's a lot to point to as positives, but like many others
it's still very difficult to shake the bad vibe associated with him due to his
One of the funniest things ever is to listen to Coach Mac, when he was still at
the U, tell the story of Lenny Gomes calling him for a job.I wonder
when Bronco calls Coach Whitt if he'll show up for the courtesy interview, Whitt
will be gentlemen enough to give of course, wearing one of his ratty Band of
Fassel would be a cool hire. Hiring Detmer would just be hilarious.
Crowton is one of around 70 candidates. Because he was previously HC in Provo,
it makes for a nice article and lots of discussion. Kind of silly to start all
the banter until an actual hire is made.Speaking of silly, this is
for Chris B and Hedgehog who continue to predict that the Utes will be 'bottom
feeders'. Several sports writers (yes those that actually are paid for their
knowledge) disagree. Yahoo Sports' Mike Huguenin lists Utah at #24 in his pre
season 2012 ranking. Ted Miller from ESPN projects them as the 3rd best team in
the conference behind USC and Oregon. Brett McMurphy from CBS Sports has them
at #21 in his 2012 way early top 25. There are others as well but this should
suffice for now.
@Whoa NellieAmerican Fork, UT"If a departing coach is
replaced by Mike Locksley, what does that tell you about the departing
coach?"My thoughts exactly! That is why he will not be the
next Utah OC.Go Utes!!
All this talk about bYu rejects by the little brothers down south is just
outright hilarious. Some people just don't see the irony in their own remarks.
bYu's football "glory" under the direction of a head coach with a
bachelor's degree from USU and master's degree from Utah; and an OC with his
degree from Utah. All football glory you earned was at the hands of Utah and
USU graduates. But don't let a little knowledge discourage you from posting on
Ute articles, by all means. We need good entertainment!!Go Utes!!
Onward and Upward!!
The very fact that this story is being reported is evidence that Crowton will
not be the next OC. Every one involved is extremely tight-lipped. Sounds like
Crowton is blowing hi own horn to get his name back into the public. Any one
who is a serious contender is not talking.Go Utes!!BTW
Chris B, you left Jake Murphy off the list. You know, bYu's only 4 star recruit
I believe Gary Crowton was given a courtesy interview by Coach Whittingham. That
is all there is too this story. Crowton is unemployed looking for his next 2-3
year gig. Crowton is a one hit, one year wonder. He has a great first year.
Teams study and figure out the offense and then it slowly depreciates. I would like to see A-Rod get promoted. Coach Whit loves to promote
within. I think A-Rod learned many things from coach Chow. He is ready, great
recruiter and if he isn't hired, he will leave. I hope the spread offense has
seen its last days in Utah. I loved seeing Asiata at fullback and the Wolfman
run the ball down the field. With the possibility of Utah playing a freshman
quarterback next year, a very effective running game, will greatly help that
quarterback. That's my $.02
for all of you that think Sanford would do well think again! he took no
responsibility and always blamed players, facilities or someone else when he
didn't get it done in las Vegas. Not sold on Crowton either, when Staley went
down and left he was done at BYU
WA_Alum&Dad | 12:55 p.m. Jan. 13, 2012First Chow, and now
Crowton? What are little brothers for if not to give them your hand-me-downs?
-----------How about giving your little brother
beat-down once in a while just to to show him who's the boss... wait, 7 of 10
isn't really a "once in a while" beat-down now is it.
Otis......What is not being reported is that Coach Brocno Mendenhall just
applied for the Utah job...precisely, Bronco is applying for the
Fashion Coordinator for UtesWith his experience of t-shirt design,
ie 'Quest and 'Band, he is qualified
This article, and more specifically its title, is a desperate attempt at
reaching for fans' emotions. They may as well have titled it: "Will the
Utes hire Brian Schottenheimer?" or "Will the Utes hire Raheem
Moore?" The only thing that is certain is that the Utes will not hire Norm
Chow or Charlie Weis. Nobody outside the program really knows who is
interviewing. What a nonissue.
You're all crazy!
That's funny! A die hard Ute Fan? Was that a serious question? Wait a minute, I
can't stop laughing! I know there are BYU haters, but die hard Ute Fans? Now
that is Hilarious!
I think this would be so awesome. Whittingham continuing to hire former BYU
coaches/alumni with himself being one too. Coach Whit had such an awesome
experience at BYU that he wants to make Utah just like it. Then Utah can be
filled with arrogant, self-righteous, holier-than-thou, nah nah nah in yo face,
and chest puffin' fans/alumni too...just like BYU right? Because none of that
ever exists at Utah, so I applaud Whittingham for trying to make it like BYU.
byu rejects like Kyle Whittingham, who rejected byu's offer to be their head
coach? Hahahaha Rejects like Norm Chow, who went on to coach two
more National Championship teams, and two more Heisman Trophy winners?
HahahaYou're killing me.
Can Utah football survive without BYU rejects?
If byu is "creating their own light," why is Provo so dark in November
It's really funny how cougar fans like to chide the Utes for hiring former
cougars. I think cougars should be a little embarrassed about the firing of
Coach Chow, and the firing of what was, at the time, their winningest B-ball
coach in history, Roger Reid. We Utes have done quite well with
former cougars, who obviously prefered to coach in a different environment than
byu. If Gary Crowton fits the bill for Coach Whit, I say bring him on board.
Though Sanford's name has been kicked around, he won't land the gig. One main
reason ... he's a spread guy. Utah is already neck deep in recruits fitting the
pro-style offense.Side note, Dan Mullen was the man behind the magic in
2004, not Sanford. Mullen was incredible with Alex Smith and then look what he
did with Urban Meyer as O.C. with Florida. Too bad Mullen is now the head coach
with Mississippi State ... of course he's a spread guy as well.I'm with
others on this thread that are worried about Crowton ... something's awfully
fishy about a guy that's never in one place more than 2-3 years. That being
said, I'll bet he's got a decent shot at landing the gig.Last person to
throw out there ... I've heard from someone very close to the situation that
Brian Johnson is being considered. That news shocked me, but apparently he has a
legitimate shot at it.My prediction though, Aaron Roderick gets the job. I
almost don't know how Whittingham will keep him happy if he doesn't get the job
and I've got to think that will play into the decision.I hope A-Rod's
I don't see Whit pulling the trigger on Crowton, but stranger things have
happened. Like the Y players claiming they would play in a BCS game or the NC
game. Crowton may be an OK offensive mind, but he is not the right fit here at
Utah. I heard that his last year at LSU his passing offense was 86th in the
nation & 106th overall. That is with the best of the best high scholl
recruits. While the Utes have some good offensive weapons, they don't have the
talent at every position & depth that LSU has. We need to get an ex NFL
offensive coach, or a young up & comer from a smaller school like we did
with Urban Meyer to be the next OC. I am sure Whit will make the right decision.
He learned his first time of going in house for the OC, & wont make that
mistake again. A Rod could be much more qualifeid now, & if he gets the job,
UTE fans will back him. Too bad Mike McCoy is a hot NFl coach right now. He
would fit in perfectly here. I think after last years O in Provostan, Crowton
should go back there.
ImaCaManBYU #25/#26 (ranked 5 of the last 6 seasons)Utah
unranked (ranked 3 of the last 6 seasons)Not sure what you're
talking about in regards to football conference affiliation; BYU is independent
in football, so rather than living in the reflected light of more successful
conference members, like Utah does, BYU creates its own light.
I think someone mentioned not to let him get involved with recruiting. Wouldn't
this be one of the reasons Whit would hire him? Crowton is well known around the
country with recruiting. He's won a national title, etc.That said, I
personally would like to see Utah go in another direction. Yeah Sanford sounds
okay, but I'm not sold on Sanford either.I liked the thought of Jim
Fossel, or maybe even Mike McCoy if he were willing to depart from Tim Tebow.
Whittingham has the guy he needs already on his staff. Aaron Roderick has
experience, and had decent success as an O.C. at SUU before he took his current
position Utah. He also served as Co-O.C. at Utah before Norm Chow was hired last
I love all of the jealous ASU and Arizona references being predicted. We'll
see. However, the facts don't lie.54-107/10WAC and WCC
That would be quite a pairing. Kyle Whittingham, who doesn't think the QB
position is important enough to have any quality depth and moves all his best
QB's to other positions combined with Gary Crowton who can't ever decide on who
his starting QB should be.That will make for an exciting encore
season to Utah's first disastrous season in the Pac 12.
Coach Whit should look at Tony Franklin at Louisiana Tech. He has put together
an offense that moves the ball against any school Louisiana Tech has played the
past two years and did it with lesser talent. With a group of talented athletes
around him, he could do extremely well.Sanford was a good coach but
said some things after he left the program. Crowton is a good offensive coach
but appears that he may have too much ego and stirs the pot after a while.
Is true that Hill has already interviewed Roger Reid for the next runnin' Utes
head coaching vacancy?
First Chow, and now Crowton? What are little brothers for if not to give them
Chris BCrowton was fired as much for character issues as for
creating a train wreck of a perennial Top 25 team. If that's your cup of tea,
enjoy.btw, you can count Chow in the list of former Utes turned
Cougars who wanted nothing more than to beat Utah for over a quarter of a
century.The future of Utah football is much like the past 30 years
for Arizona football, a perennial PAC 12 lower tier team with occassional
seasons of moderate success, but never anything worth writing home about.The Utes are off to a good start with that - 8th in a very mediocre PAC
12 in their first season.
I personally think that Coach Whit is going to try and pull someone from the
NFL. He wants to run that type of offence and we all know he's not going to
just jump at the first person. Also coaches on his staff now need a couple more
years in the conference, oneday they will be ready (Rodick or Johnson). With
the money coach Whit has now we should get a pretty good OC. As much as I hate
to say it Crowton might not be to bad, he has moved a number of times which is
strange but I think that Oregon and LSU brought in new coaches and he was'nt
Crowton's statement about pretty much running whichever system KWitt wants
sounded a bit desperate. Of course I have no idea what goes on in those
interviews.He may be great for Utah, he may be a bust. The reasons
for hiring coaches are as varied as reasons recruits pick certain schools.Chris Peterson at BSU keeps having his assistants hired out and he still
puts out a great football team. Good head coaches seem to find the right
people. Using assistant smack-talk is as useless as arena-size, and
bowl game commentator smack. Utes have bragging rights until we can beat them.
I hate that, but love it when the table is turned.And p.s., BYU
should look into Detmer as quarterbacks coach. Riley needs mechanics help.
niners:"[Sanford] was a great offensive coordinator and after
his stint at UNLV I haven't heard anything about him."Last I
heard, Mike Sanford was at Louisville. I thought he was a great O.C. while he
was here at Utah as well, but Sanford runs a Spread, while Whittingham is
looking to install a Pro-style offense. Sanford might not be the best man for
that.Crowton runs a Pro-style offense, but I don't think he'd be a
good option either. In fact, I'd rather have Sanford. Sure LSU won a National
Championship while he was there, but they ALSO won an NC a couple of years
BEFORE he got there, and another a couple of years after he LEFT. I think it
would be safe to conclude the NC wasn't won BECAUSE OF Crowton. It was most
like won BECAUSE they're LSU.Hopefully, Whittingham passes on
Crowton, and also passes on promoting one of our assistant coaches to the
coordinator position. We have great asst. coaches, but they're just not ready
to take that step yet. At least not in the Pac-12 anyway.
What is not being reported is that Coach Brocno Mendenhall just applied for the
Utah job.Although I think Brocno would do a fair job working under
Coach Whitt, Coach Bornco comes with too much baggage to be a Ute.
"Crowton won a National Championship at LSU in 2007."Why
is not there still? Seems odd that he moved on, doesn't it? I am
opposed to this hire. I would like the Utes to make a bigger splash or hire
within. Why re-tread? I guess you know what you're getting. Or do you, given
his erratic performance?
@ nothegame"I say no on Crowton. He didn't even do that well at
LSU. Not a fan at all. His offense is like draw it up in the dirt and call
it".Crowton won a National Championship at LSU in 2007.
Pavalova "aren't all the comments from U fans in the positive the same
people who were..."prej·u·dice
[prej-uh-dis] Show IPA noun, verb, -diced, -dic·ing.noun1.an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or
without knowledge, thought, or reason.2.beliefs without knowledge of
the facts.3.irrational suspicion of a particular group, race, or
THIS is the best we can do???? I sure as shootin' hope not.
I seriously doubt Sanford is being considered for the OC possession he and Coach
Whitt are not that close, Sanford made some comments back in 07' (27-0)after
UNLV shutout Utah that Whitt didn't take to kindly to. Sanford was always a bit
jealous of Whitt getting the Utah job. Crowton would be a great
hire for Utah, he has always done a great job where he has gone to except for
I say no on Crowton. He didn't even do that well at LSU. Not a fan at all. His
offense is like draw it up in the dirt and call it.
aren't all the comments from U fans in the positive the same people who were
blasting crowton when he was at BYU and making fun of the "down" years
at BYU? If you disliked him then, it stands to reason you would dislike him
now.If he does land at the U I, for one, wish him well. I highly
doubt his main motiviation is to "beat BYU" since no one knows what
the future schedule looks like...but keep spinning.
Hire him to run the offense, just don't let him get too involved with recruiting
and he should do well.
If a departing coach is replaced by Mike Locksley, what does that tell you about
the departing coach?Go Thunderbirds!
Interesting comments so far. I hate to break bubbles, but Gary is unemployed
and looking for a job. To date, he does not have a good track record, he had
been many places but can't seem to stick.His track record for
staying power is about as good as the many "I called this one" and
"mark it down" comments we get on from our friendly commentor. Not
sure if Gary wants those odds.He really needs a job. I think he
would love to coach at Utah, especially if they will pay him. He would also
love to coach at Utah State, Colorado State and yes, even BYU. Actually, most
anywhere if he can be paid so he can feed his family.I really like
Sanford. Also, what about giving the job to an in house coach? Whit has some
great assistant coaches.
Well...let's think about thisWe saw what former-BYU-OC Norm Chow did
to them--54-10So, it may not be a bad choice--bring Crowton and a
49-3 9/15/2012 blowout of our sisters.hahaha
Exactly what the Utes need.
I called this one the day Norm's departure was announced. Add Crowton to a list
of former cougars who want nothing more than to beat them(Whittingham, Sitake,
Chace Hansen, Star Lotulelei, Vainuku, Zach Lindsay)Question..How many people who were once die-hard utes are switching to byu these
days?I've said it before and I'll say it again:The
future of football in Utah, IS UTAH
Ugh - I'm not sure what to think of this. Crowton has been a pretty
successful OC over the past few years but he hasn't stayed at any of those
programs for more than a couple years. I'm not sure if that has been by choice
or not. To me, it seems like he would come with too much baggage to be worth
bringing him on.From what I heard, Crowton sent his resume to
Whitingham - so I'm not sure if too much should be read into this.
Anyone know if Sanford is being considered? He was a great offensive
coordinator and after his stint at UNLV I haven't heard anything about
him...Sanford would be a great replacement for Chow!