'Mormons in America' Pew survey explores beliefs, attitudes of LDS Church members

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  • awsomeron Waianae, HI
    April 14, 2012 9:37 p.m.

    Zoar63. Read the Preface of the King James Version of the Holy Bible. That's how a book starts and sets its self up by the way. Remember 2 more Books in the Catholic Bible then in the King James Bible. They cover about 500 years of History discarded by the Men who put the King James Bible together. Canonization or Cannibalization depending on how you look at it.

    Evan by their own admission they do not claim to be perfect. However they also said it was the very best that they could do.

    Now you take that and open it to century's of of slight change here and there, things in and out here and there. Bias, Politics and Urban and Rural Myth.

    Then you get it on press and opened and read by common man, some of whom are kind of dumb but have a certain ability to attract followers who do not read (they get lost in the thee, thous and begats) but do carry and wave and pass judgement mostly on each other.

    Plus Paid Jobs in Religion which creates confusion, and we all know whom is the master of Confusion ,

  • awsomeron1 Oahu, HI
    April 14, 2012 7:53 p.m.

    I am a Mormon and I am a Christian end of story.

    If I say I am a Christian and you tell me I am Not, I am going to ignore you, because pretty much your kind of dumb.

    If I am a Mormon, TR Holder or Not I have to have a basic belief in the Tenets of the faith and to an extent (free agency) keep them. Since I am a fairly simple person the Articles Of Faith are what I mostly adhere to.

    The Articles of Faith are in the Standard Works along with Declaration 1 and 2, I have read the Standard Works Completely at least twice and some parts many times.My favorites are 3 Nephi Chapter 17 verses 6-8. 3 Nephi Chapters 11-25 and Moroni Chapter 10 verses 32-34. Of course I did cry when the news of Declaration 2 came out. Just pulled over and wept because I knew form that moment the World would never be the same. It took 10 more years to become a member, wounds dry and heal slow. However two young men knocked on my door one day, and I let them in.

  • Anon 808 Waianae, HI
    April 14, 2012 7:17 p.m.

    Of course Coffee and Tea, or Caffeine at all (Caffeine is a Drug and is a mild stimulant that can become in some people a depressant and for some Caffeine is the Gate Way TO Sin.

    Of course No Tea or Coffee should be 100% for TR Holders as that is part of that program.

    Sex between unmarried adults of any age is considered wrong and Sex between people who might be other then Heterosexual, Married or Not is considered wrong.

    Evan I am not sure on the Churches Stand on Non Reproductive Positioning between Married Adults.

    Some would say that if a marriage was a Temple Marriage and there was a Divorce that there would have to be a Temple Divorce and if there was a remarriage without a Temple Divorce that is wrong. Remarriage in the Temple with out a Temple Divorce other then to the same person you where married to the first time would be questionable. In the end do not be judgmental God will sort things out. It will all be find in the end. There are most likely Millions of Earth Like Planets throughout the Cosmos, we are finding more and more each day.

  • awsomeron Waianae, HI
    April 14, 2012 7:01 p.m.

    I am shocked and outraged to find out that according to this Survey more so called Mormons (I Believe Temple Recommend Holders need to be separate from other Mormons when considering the general point of view of Mormons).I Believe that Sex between unmarried adults (if you ask them what they think an unmarried adult is they would mostly say a young adult) Many think that after 30 or a Divorce you can go Rut). is wrong and slightly fewer think that Abortion (which is 1st Degree Murder) is wrong.

    Its kind of like the R Rated Movie is okay if its Violent but not if there is Nudity in it.

    I expected the Sex or lack there of to be agreed one by most. However Not Abortion. The LDS Church stands firmly against both and both can result in Church Punishment. However you are not going to get Xconned for going to an R Rated Movie. Evan Hard R.

    The Church is huge on Free Agency one of the reason I became and remain a member.

    Of course I Do Not See why anyone is hanging around if they don't believe the Joseph Smith Story.

  • mamiejane Salt Lake City, UT
    April 11, 2012 11:46 a.m.

    Fascinating story....the only sad thing was the statistic that most Utah members of the Church don't have many friends outside the faith. I think both members and nonmembers would benefit by a change in that statistic.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    April 11, 2012 7:52 a.m.

    As a Latter-Day Saint I found this survey interesting and encouraging.

    The only irksome point for me was that the "immigration" issue was not differentiated,
    it seemed that only immigration, and not illegal immigration, was considered.
    If members of "the Church" were questioned about illegal immigration specifically
    I think far different responses would have resulted.

  • zoar63 Mesa, AZ
    April 10, 2012 12:04 p.m.

    If historic Christians believe the bible is all they need to be saved then why are there so many Christian dominations in the world? It is obvious that even though they believe in the bible that there are differences in interpreting its meaning. If that was not the case then the Catholic church would be the only Christian church in existence today and there would have been no reformation; no need for Martin Luther, John Wesley and others like them. How can the bible be the undisputed word of God and at the same time create so many different churches?

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    April 9, 2012 10:16 p.m.

    I know it's true because my heart feels good when I think about it.

  • RogerK American Fork, Utah
    Jan. 22, 2012 11:52 a.m.

    Interesting results and worth many discussions. It is always intriguing to read more the similarities and difference that exist between Christianity and Mormonism.

  • mominthetrenches South Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 17, 2012 1:15 a.m.

    It is difficult to quantify faith. At least taking a stab at it has shown trends only to the LDS religion that seems to be attracting a lot of attention (and will likely continue to do so). All of you "good Mormons" know who you are. Don't take this survey too seriously with a huge population and such a miniscule number of people surveyed.

    **Politics are showing that LDS candidates are patriotic as well as imperfect and human. Hopefully that can help shed the taboo on our religion as being weird or cult-like.

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 16, 2012 1:03 p.m.

    To Dennis 7:39 - I assume LetsDebate has either run out of posts, or feels that your claim is far too ludicrous to warrant a response. As a lifetime member, I can assure you that I have heard those doctrines taught, week after week, in every meeting in the Church.

    I very much doubt that you have ever attended an LDS congregation where these ideas were rejected as fiction, or that you ever taught that these ideas are fiction without being chastised by your local leaders. These ideas are found throughout our manuals, incorporated into General Conference talks, and have been taught by LDS leaders from the inception of the Church.

    Jan. 16, 2012 11:07 a.m.

    To Gemini and sharrona - your "scholarly" and mechanical approach to proving things of faith and spirit prove two things. One - your beliefs can be supported by Biblical scripture. Two - your interpretation of the scriptures is merely different than mine.

    I have also used scriptures to support my beliefs, which proves two things. One - LDS beliefs indeed can be supported by Biblical scripture. Two - LDS interpretation of the scriptures is different than yours.

    I choose not to believe your interpretations of the scriptures, and you choose not to believe mine. Neither of us can "prove" anything to the other, but we have been given a method to prove spiritual things to ourselves. I have availed myself of that method. I don't know if you have, but if so, we have clearly come to different conclusions. I don't claim to know why.

    You haven't explained why Jesus felt it was so important to characterize our relationship to God in terms like son, daughter, child, parent, Father, yet as His offspring we do not have the potential to become like unto the parent - as every other offspring is capable in this symbolic world created for us by our Father.

  • IT in South Jordan South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 16, 2012 9:36 a.m.

    The survey published January 11, Mormons in America, is a masterpiece of puffed figures rivaled only by the US Bureau of Labor Statistics' reports on employment. If the figures printed are correct, the response group can not be a cross section of LDS members. Any member of a bishopric or stake presidency knows these figures are far from accurate. The average number of members who pay tithing is about 10-12 percent, occasionally hitting a little higher. The 79 percent figure is totally false and impossible. The figure for those who attend weekly at 77 percent is likewise incorrect. Average attendance is about 42 percent, according to the last figures. Only about 35 percent of members attend regularly and the remaining majority are inactive. The results in this survey obviously come from a hand-picked group of only very active members and not random members at large. The gross errors in these two responses, and other wrong results shown, cast fatal doubt on the credibility of the rest of survey. This is good propaganda for the Church, but it is misleading and untrue. Shame on them!

  • sharrona layton, UT
    Jan. 16, 2012 8:54 a.m.

    @DSB: Jesus lives forever he has the permanent (non-transmittable Melchchisedek) priesthood.(Hebrews 7:24 NIV ).

    Priesthood authority,In(D&C 110: 1-16) Elias and Elijah appear to JS, but in the Bible they are the same person. The KJV translators attempted to transliterate Elijah to Elias because there isnt a Greek character for the English letter J.

    To avoid confusion[like JS],modern translations: NIV, NJKV, NASB and the Catholic Bible have Elijah instead of Elias in(Mt 11:14,; Luke 1:17).

    Melchisedec, Do Mormons meet the Qualifications of Hebrews 7:2-3,To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
    Jesus = Melchizedek, no, genealogy traceable as with Levite priests, a priest. Christs non-Levitical descent. Biblical types are a form of prophecy.

    John 1:12 Greek N.T.,...to those who believed in his name he gave the Authority to become children of God.

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    Jan. 16, 2012 7:39 a.m.

    re: LetsDebate
    All the points you mention are fiction. Why do you live a life believing in Doctrines the Church doesn't even support? You're making things up for the sake of argument. I taught Church classes for 15 years and wouldn't publicly say a one of your "facts" "truths" out loud.

  • Jeff Temple City, CA
    Jan. 16, 2012 12:54 a.m.

    @ Gemini: You reference things that are not considered canonized scripture in the LDS faith (the Journal of Discourses, for example).

    Latter-day Saints are accountable to believe as doctrine things that are in our canonized sciptures (the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price). We also believe that we are accountable to believe things that are issued formally in a unanimous statement by the current First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve Apostles.

    There is no need to throw at us statements of individual church leaders that haven't gone through the process of canonization or that do not go through the modern process of editing and unanimous issuance through proper Church authorities. We keep telling people that we are simply not accountable to accept those things, and we are constantly told by anti-Mormons that we must we must we must. Check D and C section 107 for a more detailed description of how authorized statements in the Church are issued.

    Sorry you left the Church before you understood that.

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 15, 2012 7:38 a.m.

    @sharrona - do you know what a son is? It's offspring with the potential to become like its parent. Apparently LDS believe the scriptures more literally than even you. We are gods like a tadpole is a frog. Through faith, we continue to progress, and with eternity on our side, as children we may become like our parents.

    Hebrews 7:27 says nothing about doing away with the office of High Priest. Was Jesus a different and perfect kind of High Priest? Of course. Just as the scripture says, he doesn't need to account for personal sins before using his office to minister to others. We do, and that's all the scripture teaches.

    Again - the Bible does not contradict our beliefs. Your interpretation is merely different.

    Jan. 15, 2012 3:58 a.m.

    11- The Bible never refers to the Garden, sweat or drops of blood as having accomplished the transaction that could purchase us back. The atonement of Christ was only accomplished on the Cross of Calvary, in its pages. That's why Christians only focus on His great sacrifice that God the Father accepted. It is always "the precious Blood of Christ shed on the Cross", the sacrifice of the Lamb. Hebrews 10:10- "By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the Body of Jesus Christ once for all."

    What Paul didn't know was any doctrine of the garden. "For I boast in the cross of Christ."

    "...and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity." (Eph. 2:16)

    "For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the Cross of Christ be made of no effect. For the message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing...but we preach Christ crucified." (1Cor.1:18-25)

    12- Believers will be joint-heirs through their adoption as sons to God. He alone reigns.

    Jan. 15, 2012 3:22 a.m.


    8- Jesus taught about the burning hell of sulfur and endless pain. I assume the point was that Mormonism does not teach of this hell. It has been totally redefined, hasn't it?

    9- If Jesus fulfilled the Law, why do you need temples? Marriage was always an open, community celebration in Jesus' time. All LDS commentary refer to the continuation of God's temples from "ancient times". Unless you are performing sacrifices in them, they have no Biblical comparison. They are beautiful edifices and Mormons have always honored the sanctity of marriage. They're just not Biblical.

    10- Outline Hebrews, not half of a sentence that refers to past High Priests. That IS his point, only one at a time is in that office- Heb.5:1-3. Only God calls the High Priest, as He did Aaron, and only from the tribe of Levi. Christ was from Judah and had a unique priesthood. Only one High Priest goes into the Holy of Holies. Our great priest also became the sacrifice.

    "... after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God," 10:12. "It is finished." No more needed. (8:23-25)

    Jan. 15, 2012 2:08 a.m.


    5- Yes, LDS believe the Bible is scripture. But they do not believe, and never have, that it is a totally trustworthy document. The JST and all your leaders have made it abundantly plain exactly what they think of its veracity and reliability. Your comment also shows what you think of the Bible in its present form. Quoting it does not mean that you accept all of it, as traditional Christians do. You mocked its "history,creation and translation" with your "in its current form". This places you squarely outside of all traditional scholarship. But no one can even post any criticism of how you got the JST here.

    6- The Bible contains the history of man from Adam to the Apostle John, circa 90 AD. Everything in the Bible, from all 40 authors over the span of 1,500 years, gives implicit instructions on this. Deuteronomy and Revelation both say what will happen to those who "add to the words of this book."

    7- God condemned polygamy in Deut. 17:17 and to deacons in 1Tim.3:12. The BoM condemns it. Every polygamous relationship was fraught with jealousy and consequences. Need refs?

    Jan. 15, 2012 1:42 a.m.

    LetsDebate, we all want the same thing in terms of truth, right? Then read the Bible without any other commentaries and you will find the answers to the questions. Asking someone if they "have the slightest idea" about the creation of the Bible is rude and presumptive.

    1- The blood covers all sin that is committed by those who call upon His Name, except for the unforgivable sin, as you say. Do you know which sins your founders said were not covered by the blood of Christ? The Journal of Discourses was reviewed and authorized by Brigham Young himself, sent overseas with missionaries, and never edited as otherwise. "Know Your Religion" was a very popular series in the Church. Knowing your early Mormonism is a must.

    2&4- If Jesus existed before any other created thing, where did all those "councils" come from in His pre-existent state when Father chose Him over Satan? Your doctrines have changed since 1830.

    3- Jesus created Lucifer and all the angels. Isaiah has no validation of this. He is referring to the son of the dawn/Morning. Reference the Hebrew.

    5- The Psalms alone have many references to His Word as truth.

  • rosethorn DAYTON, OR
    Jan. 14, 2012 11:03 p.m.

    NY Times editorial "Mitt's Big Love" trots out the usual tired anti-Mormon innuendoes; that Romney somehow endorses polygamy, nonconfirmable allegations by former congregants, that because of his religion there are sinister secrets unknowable to the electorate.

  • sharrona layton, UT
    Jan. 14, 2012 9:21 p.m.

    @LetsDebate: 12- Can man progress to godhood?
    No, John 10:34, Ye ARE gods? Present tense, not even Mormon men believe they a are gods right now. James Talmage in Jesus the Christ p.501, explains Psalm 82:6,Divenly Appointed judges called gods. Men who have been appointed judges.
    Romans 8:16-17. See v.15 but ye have received the Spirit of Adoption, Abba, Father. Gal 3:26,You are sons of God through faith.

    10- Who is our final High Priest, the office now void?(filled by Jesus) See Hebrews 5:1. See Hebrews 7:27 Unlike the other high priests, he doesn't have to offer sacrifices for his own sins every day before he can get around to us and our sins. He's done it, once and for all: offered up himself as the sacrifice.
    The Aaronic or Levitical priesthood ended with the death of Christ. The entire function ,and the term Cohen means, one who stands up for another, and mediate the cause. Before the Great Sacrifice ,the priest had to stand in for the people and offer animal sacrifices. Do Mormons still carry out this function. No! Therefore their office is insignificant.:

  • OnlytheCross Bakersfield, CA
    Jan. 14, 2012 8:38 p.m.

    Thank you for answering the 12 questions. They're ones I was asked when I came calling to prove the same position that you are. I was tired of being called cultish, wierd and unbiblical. I didn't really care what they believed, I just wanted to make sure that my friends truly understood my LDS beliefs.

    I was pioneer ancestor Mormon, seminary, BYU, temple-married, taught everything and in every presidency. I was a devout Christian and was through with the sneers about my temple vows and inpenetrable testimony. My friends were Ann Madsen, Dr. Cleon Skousen; I chatted with Dr. Nibley and taught Hebrew after taking it with Ann.

    I answered every question as you did and asked dear Dr. Barshaw why evangelicals could not see that our doctrinal differences did not put us outside the pale of Christian orthodoxy. He sent me to a 6-wk seminary-taught "Fundamentals of the Faith" class and I dug in to my Bible to see how serious our differences were.

    I realized that we did have "another Jesus and another gospel" than the one Paul spoke of (2 Cor11). Your answers prove it. I've been praying for my brethren ever since.

    Jan. 13, 2012 12:36 p.m.

    A few more answers to OnlyTheCross:

    7- Was polygamy ever commanded by God to the ancient patriarchs?
    Show me where Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob - fully supported by God in the Old Testament - were ever condemned in the Bible for their multiple wives.

    8- Did Jesus teach about hell?
    Many times - what's your point?

    9- Were marriages ever performed in Israel's temples?
    Jesus fulfilled the Law of Moses - why would our rituals be identical to those of ancient Israel?

    10- Who is our final High Priest, the office now void?
    See Hebrews 5:1. Apparently Paul wasn't aware that the office was void.

    11- Do Jesus' Apostles speak of the power of the Garden or the Cross?
    Why did Jesus spill great drops of blood in the Garden? LDS emphasize the Garden AND the Cross. Not sure why you would focus on only one.

    12- Can man progress to godhood?
    See John 10:34, and Romans 8:16-17.

    I hope this helps you understand that LDS believe we are fully supported by Biblical scripture. Clearly, our interpretation differs from yours, but there is nothing in our doctrine that is indisputably contradicted by the Bible.

    Jan. 13, 2012 12:31 p.m.

    To OnlyTheCross - a few answers:

    1- Does the blood of Jesus Christ cover all sins? All who repent and believe in Him.
    See John 3:16.

    2- Did Jesus exist before any angels or the Cosmos? Yes.
    See John 1:1-2, and D&C 76:39 for LDS concurrence.

    3- Is Jesus Michael the Arch-Angel (NO), or the spirit-brother of Lucifer, or any other heavenly creation?
    See Isaiah 14:21 - whose son is the Son of the Morning? If God, and Jesus is also the son of God, then...

    4- Did Jesus create the angels, or were they in Father's Kingdom before him?
    See answer to #2 above.

    5- Is the Bible God's infallable Word of truth?
    Does the Bible make this claim? Do you have the slightest idea about the history, creation, and translation of our current Bible? LDS certainly believe the Bible as scripture, and quote it frequently.

    6- Does the Bible contain all the information necessary to get you back in God's presence?
    Where does the Bible make this claim? By what Biblical authority to you limit God's scriptural communication with man?

    To be continued...

  • Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Jan. 13, 2012 12:10 p.m.

    Lots of problems with such extensive surveys. Terminology alone from one faith to another skews the results.

    Example - Can women have the Priesthood? Well, can I use another faith's definition of Priesthood?...since Mormon Women give prayers, discourses, and sermons to congregations, perform ordinances in eternal temple ordinances and fulfill leadership positions by being "set apart" by the laying on of hands under the direction of the Priesthood?

    Example - Believe in Prophets? What is your definition of a Prophet? I may believe in modern revelation through Prophets but not in perfect beings that can't utter a word unless it's from God.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2012 10:19 a.m.


    "Here's a poll Pew should have used that will define whether one holds to traditional Christian teachings; from the pure Biblical text, sans any denominational or ecumenical bent. "

    Uh huh... it may not have a particular denominational bent to it but it's clearly a hand-selected set of questions with a designed purpose in mind. So yeah... no unclear intent... your intent is quite clear.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Jan. 13, 2012 9:15 a.m.

    In terms of Mormons as Democrats and Republicans, in 1900, Utah was the most socialist state in the Union. The bishop of the Eureka ward at that time said that he thought that socialism was the order of God.

    I try to vote Democrat because of the importance that my religion places on helping the poor. But then once, I voted for a Democratic state senator and I voted to rescind sales tax on food, and the same state senator said at a pro-abortion rally a few weeks late with the ACLU that the Utah state legislators are letting their religion affect their votes and that is wrong.

    So I took his advice to heart and didn't vote for him again.

    But I am still a closet socialist.

  • donn layton, UT
    Jan. 13, 2012 8:32 a.m.

    @CT98 I can't believe that 45% reported that "Living a Very Religious Life" is not one of the most important priorities in life. That is shocking, and quite sad. I thought that was the Essense of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.....to follow Him.
    Wine was used by: Noah Gen 9:20,21; Melchizedek Gen 14:18; Isaac Gen 27:25; Jesus John: 2: 1-11; Timothy 1Tim 5:23 : the Apostles Acts 2:13. You could not follow Jesus today,he does not qualify for a TR.

  • OnlytheCross Bakersfield, CA
    Jan. 13, 2012 5:54 a.m.

    AofOrion, that is correct, sorta. We're not told why there is an ungorgivable sin. But we are told that the blood of the Lamb is the covering/propitiation for our sins. "By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all... For by one offering He has prrfected forall time thise who are perfected.". (Heb.10:10,14))

    Adultery or murder aren't singled out in the Bible. The founders taught, which sins would never be covered by Christ's blood, and that a man or woman guilty of this had to "spill their own blood." (JDisc) You'll find this was taught clear through to my days in the late '70's. McKonkie's "Mormon Doctrine" still taught it, my BYU profs, my folks and grandfolks and I did, too. But those were the days when we quoted our prophets.

    Orion is the greatest constellation. Or is Light in Hebrew, and Orion means Gloriouss One Coming. Job 38:31: "Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades, or loose the cords of Orion?" (Amos 5:8). I know we share this belief and hope, that Jesus will return in Glory and Splendor.

  • Arm of Orion Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 8:58 p.m.

    OnlytheCross I should hope your answer to #1 is. That it covers all sins but one since Christ Himself said that there was one unforgivable sin and that was sinning against the Holy Ghost.

  • Californian#[email protected] San Francisco, CA
    Jan. 12, 2012 8:04 p.m.

    * "But they remain optimistic, with 63 percent expressing the belief that Mormonism will eventually become part of mainstream society" *

    That's optimistic???

  • OnlytheCross Bakersfield, CA
    Jan. 12, 2012 7:51 p.m.

    Here's a poll Pew should have used that will define whether one holds to traditional Christian teachings; from the pure Biblical text, sans any denominational or ecumenical bent. We give it to our "Fundamentals of the Faith" and "What does the Bible Say" classes, from a traditional, evangelical church that predates to the apostolic era). No unclear intent, just Biblical text. Refs to follow.

    1- Does the blood of Jesus Christ cover all sins?
    2- Did Jesus exist before any angels or the Cosmos?
    3- Is Jesus Michael the Arch-Angel, or the spirit-brother of Lucifer, or any other heavenly creation?
    4- Did Jesus create the angels, or were they in Father's Kingdom before him?
    5- Is the Bible God's infallable Word of truth?
    6- Does the Bible contain all the information necessary to get you back in God's presence?
    7- Was polygamy ever commanded by God to the ancient patriarchs?
    8- Did Jesus teach about hell?
    9- Were marriages ever performed in Israel's temples?
    10- Who is our final High Priest, the office now void?
    11- Do Jesus' Apostles speak of the power of the Garden or the Cross?
    12- Can man progress to godhood?

  • LDSareChristians Anchorage, AK
    Jan. 12, 2012 5:55 p.m.

    I have seen another poll, looked for an hour for it and can't find it, but it listed LDS belief in reincarnation at 1 or 2 percent and at that time I went wow, thinking, really, that many LDS believe that?

    I wonder if someone was off a decimal point? 1.1%?

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 5:35 p.m.

    A couple of thoughts.

    I question the competency of a scientific statistician who thinks that, with 2% of the population being LDS, you would have to call 98 people to contact a Mormon. Does that mean that if we were 50%, you wouldn't reach one until you called 50? Think about it.

    Also, all of you who are so shocked that any LDS person could believe in reincarnation, consider that many of our early leaders taught the principle of eternal progression of ALL beings and elements, including the potential for progressing into higher eternal kingdoms and the progression of non-human entities. Many believe in "ladders" between kingdoms. Combine that with the doctrine from D&C 76 that exaltation only occurs after overcoming all by faith.

    How do you suppose that intelligence overcomes all by faith, except they be placed into a veiled realm to be tried and tested? I don't claim to know how it works, but I wouldn't totally reject the possibility that some type of reincarnation may be the way.

    And I'm totally in. I'm a believer. So, don't close your mind so quickly about what "good members" are not allowed to believe.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 4:58 p.m.

    @John Pack Lambert
    "I am a little surprised that the believe the Book of Mormon was written by ancient prophets is only 91%."

    The church does include some percentage of people who grew up in the church and perhaps just stay in it because their parents, family, or spouse are in it. Cultural mormons I guess. Then maybe a few got confused and assumed the correct answer was Joseph Smith. So I'm not too surprised that it's 91%. If you asked me 6 months ago I would have qualified for this survey as an inactive LDS member (I would've still self-identified that way) who did not believe the Book of Mormon was written by ancient prophets.

    "Active members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints would never think that the church teaches Reincarnation. "

    Surveys have found that half of catholics don't even know their own doctrine of transubstantiation when given a multiple choice set of options to pick from. I think some proportion of the 11% confused reincarnation with ressurection since to some extent they are kind of similar.

  • George Bronx, NY
    Jan. 12, 2012 4:44 p.m.

    image versus actions

  • CT98 Saint George, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 4:36 p.m.

    I can't believe that 45% reported that "Living a Very Religious Life" is not one of the most important priorities in life. That is shocking, and quite sad. I thought that was the Essense of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.....to follow Him.

    Maybe I'm misunderstanding the survey but I would think that any Christian who professes faith in Christ would say that following the Commandments and Teachings of Christ would be the number 1 priority in life. If you strive to live the Gospel Every Day, you will be a loving parent, spouse, and neighbor.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 3:49 p.m.

    If you all would see that the covered group were not necessarily members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the PEW group didn't break out correctly what the LDS or Mormon means. Go to page 70 of the actual report and see how they came up with the identification of Mormons. With as many people in this study that are senior researchers and researchers, why would they make this mistake. They go to the youngest of adults for the person they want to talk to them. Then look at how they broke out people as Mormons. If they have identified Mormons incorrectly, that is why some of the data does not appear to be what you would believe. The data can be skewed, completely even with their verification process. Their format may have been set up correctly but if their audience is not what they say it is, then why are they really doing this report in rapid time and with such a small 1019 people that they misidentified. It seems like someone should call PEW on this apparent error.

  • Kass SLC, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 3:25 p.m.

    way to reinforce every negative stereotype of judgmental mormons in just two post wjutjck

  • wjutjck Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 3:01 p.m.

    For those(Mormons) who don't believe in the Book of Mormon or that Thomas S Monson is God's prophet on the earth today, I can see why their beliefs don't fall in line with what active members believe. Reincarnation is one of those false teachings of the adversary.

  • wjutjck Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 2:58 p.m.

    Active members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints would never think that the church teaches Reincarnation. It is my assumption that the 11 percent who claim to believe in reincarnation are not active members of the church.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Jan. 12, 2012 2:52 p.m.

    The percentage of Mormons who are white is lower than in previous studies.

    This study still excludes people who do not have any phones at all. At least some of the Hispanics and African Americans baptized in my mission had no phones. Thus these race figures only can be given full meaning in comparison to an overall sample.

    The use of people found in previous surveys also probably reduces the percentage of non-white Mormons. This would to some extent lock in the statistics as they were at the older studies and exclude more recent immigrants or people who have joined the Church since that time. In my ward of the people who have joined the Church in the last year and still regularly come out, only 1 of the 5 is white, the others are 2 African-Americans, 1 immigrant from Congo and 1 international student from Vietnam. Thus I have at least limited evidence that back sampling the way this survey does undercounts the number of non-white Mormons.

  • rnoble Pendleton, OR
    Jan. 12, 2012 2:41 p.m.

    I wonder at that number for being raised in the church. I recently was at a stake conference (visiting & outside of Utah) where one of the visiting authorities asked those who were converts to stand and those standing were at least half of the congregation. Furthermore in my own ward, there are only a handful who can trace their membership back to the early years of the church and only two who have intimate family experience with early church leaders. I recognize that being raised in the church is reflective of only one generation but that number also does not seem to jibe with the growth of the church in the USA over the last 30 years.

    I think this attempt to poll mormons about mormons is very much a good thing. It provides a window thru which we can view ourselves without the personal failings distortions that creep into our psyche when peering into a mirror.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Jan. 12, 2012 2:39 p.m.

    I am shocked the figure on viewing sex between unmarried adults is only 79%. I think it gives the lie to many of the enemies of the Church that this is a lower figure than those who believe polygamy is morally wrong.

    I am a little surprised that the believe the Book of Mormon was written by ancient prophets is only 91%. It should be remembered that the people in this survey self identified as being Mormons. It does not include people who are baptized members of the Church but do not identify as being Mormons. Some of the latter people may even be among those who show up at church but they would not show up in this study.

  • dswank Cedar City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 2:32 p.m.

    The survey was a good reflection of "active" LDS (70% tithe payers as an example).

    The term "immigrant" is so loaded here that it is meaningless. I think to Mormons it means:
    1. Mexican
    2. Illegal Mexican immigrant
    3. Legal Mexican immigrant
    4. Children of one of the above

    Here in Utah the debate about immigration is toxic. The Church has given direction (although a little vague). But Mormons, being hugely right wing here, are openly accepting of Mexicans and Mexican-Americans but very mean about them behind their backs and in providing for them.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Jan. 12, 2012 2:28 p.m.

    To try to sum up the context of my last post, whether someone views something as essential or not is different than whether they would do it.

    This is also not the same thing as asking point blank "is someone who drinks coffee and tea a good Mormon". The wording of questions will matter and so people should avoid drawing too broad conclusions.

    Does this study include Mormons of all ages, or only over a certain age? I know a past Pew study only included adults. That would matter. This is especially true since I know from personal expeirence many non "white" Mormons are under the age of 18. In my homeward one of the 3 families with six minor children is made up of a euro-American father and a Korean-American mother (her family moved to the US when she was little).

    At another point all the African Americans in my ward were under the age of 12, all adopted children in white families (I think we had 4). I have also known several Mormon children adopted from Korea, India and China by white parents.

  • Grace Bakersfield, CA
    Jan. 12, 2012 2:24 p.m.

    This article and its posts continue to verify why my husband, friends and I continue to teach about and "witness" to Mormons, for the past 21 years to the present.

    Our classes at local churches are always full. We show videos from all perspectives, have missionaries and LDS leaders share, hear from former members, offer BoMs and Church materials, and leave an open invitation for all to participate. There is nothing close to our full perspective study being offered in the LDS community, but we continue to share the truth with our community and hold all to high standards of accuracy. Our goal is to clear up misconceptions on both sides, and form a stronger bond within our community.

    I agree that the poll should revise, clarify and deepen their study questions if they want to do full service in showing a multi-faceted people. But I was glad that it did reflect the true compassionate, humanitarian and community traits of my ancestoral people.

    On the religion questions, however, both sides showed the lack of knowledge about historical, traditional Christianity and true Biblical exegesis. Every Mormon prophet has denied holding to the "traditional" Christ, including President Monson. Definitions needed.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Jan. 12, 2012 2:17 p.m.

    I get the feel that the results are being spun in ways that just do not work. "Not drinking coffee and tea" is not the same as "not drinking caffine".

    They should also be more clear on whether the question involved specifically listing certain things and asking if the people thought they were "essential to being a good Mormon" or if the question was to ask "what is essential to being a good Mormon" and then try to quantify the open responses.

    Another question is, were people able to agree that all listed characteristics were essential to being a good Mormon. Were they given a list and told to mark those that were essential, or were they asked specifically if each of these were essential. The difference between the latter two approachs is very important.

    If people have to decide on each thing being "essential" it is more likely that more items will be included. In that case the effort to mark 1 thing as essential is that same as 2. If however people have to chose to mark a second item as essential that it takes more effort, and thus means different things.

  • KurtFK Littleton, CO
    Jan. 12, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    I always thought that being a good Latter-day Saint meant keeping the commandments of God. Everything else is secondary.

  • donn layton, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 12:10 p.m.

    @morganh, I thought this survey was quite interesting as a practicing member of the LDS faith. The reason people who are not members don't regard us a Christians is because they don't take time to examine the beliefs.

    A few years back FAIR took a survey of Christians Pastors in Utah and Ca. a heavy majority considered Mormons non-Christian.

    @91 percent believe that the Book of Mormon was written by ancient prophets.
    The Articles of Faith, the original Edition,#8 We believe in the Word of God recorded in the Bible; we also believe the Word of God recorded in the Book of Mormon, and in all other good books. Check #8 current edition.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 11:47 a.m.


    The other groups listed, if classified as Mormons, would or could have skewed the information that Pew was putting out. It seems as if their various processes as described in their organization's website for the foundation and forum was not followed as they would have found the difference in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the others listed. LDS is not defined in their study and that acronymn should have been. The term "Mormon" is not the name of the Church, even though used by the Pew people. There seems to be a reason this Pew study came out in the time span and the rapidity that the information was published from the 1019 small sample respondents, of which a large share could have been the other individual religions.

    Reincarnation as described in some of the other comments is not something that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints recognizes and 11 percent is out of the valid range for commenters.

    I don't know if the Pew group is center of the line or not but the basic tenets of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints may not be represented

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 11:40 a.m.

    When you read the article as extracted from the Pew Report, it is interesting to see the methodology. First their premise was:

    "Respondents reached by landline were selected by randomly asking for
    the youngest adult male or female currently at home. Interviews on cell phones were conducted with the person who answered the phone, if that person was an adult 18 years of age or older."

    Why would their clarify that question to the youngest? That skews the information that they gathered. It was not clarified in the process that it was the youngest person 18 or older they wanted to interview.

    "After identifying themselves as Mormons, qualified respondents were asked a separate question, "And is that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the Community of Christ, or some other Mormon church?"

    "All self-identified Mormons were eligible for the survey, regardless of whether they identified themselves as part of the LDS Church. In practice, nearly all self-identified Mormons (99% in the current sample) describe themselves as part of the LDS Church."

    This does not seem to be a valid survey as all they identified are not Mormons. The survey's purpose is not complete.

  • justamacguy Manti, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 10:51 a.m.

    @ Noodlekaboodle you need to do more research on charity vs government. It is not necessarily governments obligation to be the welfare giver to all citizens. Government is lousy at that. Churches, be they Mormon or other do a far better job of this. They are local and they know what people in there area need, whether it be helping with a funeral or assisting yard work or helping to care for a sick member, etc. government will never be that efficient. Apparently you don't watch the news during times of natural disaster or crisis. Faith organizations are usually the first ones on the ground and with more manpower than government muster. I would rather depend on the legions of volunteers over tax dollars any day.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 10:22 a.m.

    @ Expatriate, I'm not sure about your statement that your "grandfather's Democrats used to be more like present day Republicans." The Democratic Party of my grandfather had a strong union component, something that is seriously lacking today. Today's Democratic Party is weaker on issues relating to the common man than it used to be. The Democratic Party of the past pushed what was considered radical stuff, like minimum wage, civil rights, cleaner environment, etc. Today's Democratic Party is the only party with even a hint of progress to it, but even it is watered down. This is likely due to the massive influence of money in campaigns and special interests in Washington that now rules more than ever before. The enemy of the people is not the Democratic or Republican Parties, but wealthy special interests that are draining the coffers of our government and getting special privileges. McCain is right when he lambasted the Citizens United case. Pay heed, even you Republicans who are willing to sleep with the devil to get ahead.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Jan. 12, 2012 10:19 a.m.

    Wouldn't it be fun to watch if Harry Reid became Romney's home teacher or vice versa?

  • XelaDave Salem, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 9:59 a.m.

    It is rather apparent from several comments here that as normal many have no idea about survey methodology- having read the full methodology section of the report this was pretty solid survey work- an attempt at surveying such a small population (Mormons are less than 2% of US population) and weighting it properly is very tough and this one is well designed- limitations yes but given costs well balanced and worthwhile results even if you do not like them they are solid.

  • Expatriate Golden Spike Territory, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 9:57 a.m.

    @Esquire and others: what about how my grandfather's Democrats used to be more like present day Republicans? The parties have morphed big time, and nobody is accounting for that. I also would like to know how PEW qualified participants, but I suppose that is propietary information. Even so, this body of research seems to be pretty fair, and so too are the comments, and THAT is a refreshing departure from the usual bullying in these kinds of forums.

  • morganh Orem, Utah
    Jan. 12, 2012 9:44 a.m.

    I thought this survey was quite interesting as a practicing member of the LDS faith. The reason people who are not members don't regard us a Christians is because they don't take time to examine the beliefs. Jesus Christ and his teachings are core values in the LDS faith and that is what makes us Christians. As a social conservative I also like the Republican Party's anti-abortion pro-traditional marriage platform. I also do believe in smaller government philosophy as well. Their are good LDS Democrats who have honorable and moral values. The leaders of the Church will never endorse one party or the other. The only council they give is to support people who represent your values you have as a church member and my personal feeling is the Republican Party platform supports those values.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 9:39 a.m.

    @ Pugman, you reinforce the point that the Church is Republican, and you make the assumption that the GOP is the party of the Church. Not true. There isa strong argument that the reverse is true, that you cannot be a good Christian (and I believe that Mormons are Christian) and be a Republican. Do your core beliefs include free agency and personal responsibility? Or are you into the GOP version of the nanny state where they tell you how to behave in all things? Do you reject the statement of Joseph Smith of "teach correct principles and let them govern themselves?" Republicans will say that they follow this, but in reality they do not. And they do not follow the principles taught by Christ of caring for all, instead preferring that it's everyone for himself. Ayn Rand is the prophet of the GOP, not Christ or Smith or Monson. Look for consistency, not for those on the right who say they are with Christ, yet their hearts, actions and words are far from Him. Watching the Christian Right should illuminate that principle, yet many of you get in bed with them.

    This should get some of you going....

  • Kami Bountiful, Utah
    Jan. 12, 2012 9:31 a.m.

    I wonder if any of the Utah mormons in the poll answered honestly about what it takes to be a "good" mormon and included being a member of the Republican party. I am active LDS and am not a member of the Republican party and have been slammed by many so called "good" mormons since I moved to Utah that I can't be a good mormon if I am a Democrat.

  • Demosthenes Rexburg, ID
    Jan. 12, 2012 9:27 a.m.

    A quick look at comments on this survey at fox news or cnn shows just how much ignorance and misinformation and bigotry there is regarding Mormons. It's astounding.

    Too many people forget the admonition that "by their fruits you shall know them." That's the bottom line, after all.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 8:59 a.m.

    @DN Subscriber

    It's not like this is the first such poll. Gallup had a fairly broad poll on Mormons a few years ago.

    "How so"

    Lookiing at the stats from a Gallup poll from 2010 you can see a similar result as this Pew study in terms of %activity (79 and 77%) but if you ran the numbers you'd find that LDS liberal activity rates were down around 50%. As someone who was an LDS liberal (albeit I left the church over doctrinal differences) there were definitely times where I felt unwelcome or felt frustrated with church because of something political like a member telling me that I'm going against the prophet because I supported Obamacare, or someone telling me I was following "Satan's politics" because of my view on gay marriage, or an institute instructor telling us that the war in Iraq was a holy war against Islam and that we had to support it in order to follow the prophet. (One might notice all these statements are false seeing as the church doesn't dictate what political views you follow or else they'd have to excommunicate most of Europe, but a lot of members still act that way).

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 8:58 a.m.

    Dnsubcriber: "Just remember, any Republican nominee of any faith will be a better President than one who sat in the pews of Rev. Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years. " This statement stereotypes Mormons as better (or worse) than Pew ever could. I would make a point of avoiding a person like you at all costs on Sunday, even if it meant staying away from the ward.

  • Noodlekaboodle Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 8:52 a.m.

    This is what mormons say. Look at our mormon, republican legislator in Utah and tell me that they care about the poor.......

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 8:32 a.m.

    Man, are we obsessed with what people think of us! Just go be a good neighbor, live your faith and treat people with respect and kindness. It would be amazing what people would think of you.

  • Reader Sandy, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 8:27 a.m.

    With over 5.5 million Latter-day Saints in this country alone, I am not sure how indicative a sample of 1017 is, even with an 11% margin of error.

  • Aggielove Junction city, Oregon
    Jan. 12, 2012 8:24 a.m.

    Romney bishop
    Huntsman first counselor

  • Pugman TREMONTON, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 7:57 a.m.

    "Over the long haul and in the big picture this hurts the Church and the fullfillment of it's mission. How so...we all know through prophets or we should know, the events that are unfolding and will continue to unfold. As Latter Day Saints, and Christians we all should know how this ends. I could be missing your point but are you trying to imply that we have to be more tolerant of another political party and their agenda? What if this agenda is not in harmony with my core beliefs or principles. I realize that my views are totally my own, I will not try not to force them on anyone. That being said, I hope no one tries to ram political correctness down my throat...I'm likely just to throw it back up in your face.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 7:27 a.m.

    @ DN Subscriber, are you kidding me? Pew left wing? I think not. And it didn't take time for someone to use this as an excuse to bash President Obama. It's getting old, dude.

    But what this study does show is that the Church is a Republican one. Over the long haul and in the big picture, this hurts the Church and the fulfillment of its mission. It already has, and as the Church further grows and expands, this tight identification with one political party will actually be a liability.

  • mvoorhis IDAHO FALLS, ID
    Jan. 12, 2012 7:26 a.m.

    Why don't they look at using other forms of media? Such as FB? I know the church can't give out ward and stake lists, but some simple FB queries could find 10,000 LDS rather than the 1100 or so poled here.

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Jan. 12, 2012 6:13 a.m.

    "Pew is a notoriously left wing entity"

    The term "wing" is used far too often by both the left and the right.

    Everyone cannot be Left or Right Wing by definition.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Jan. 12, 2012 4:59 a.m.

    "the study found that Church members subscribe to traditional Christian beliefs, have high moral standards, are overwhelmingly satisfied with their lives and communities, are active in serving others and have a profound dedication to family. These results reflect the Church's message that a deep commitment to the teachings of Jesus Christ brings lasting happiness."

    When all is said and done, regardless of your position on political or social issues, I think (I hope) this is an accurate reflection of all Mormons.

    Thanks for highlighting this study.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 4:43 a.m.

    I was just wondering. When you live outside of Utah, how do you identify who the inactive members are? The sweeping statements about who lives the principles of the Gospel and who doesn't are really closed minded and unfair.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Jan. 12, 2012 4:18 a.m.

    I would like to see PEW ask an honest question about immigration. Asking questions that mix legal and illegal immigrants together is very deceptive, and tries to influence the poll numbers.

    I for one, would like to see the results when they are separated into two different questions.

  • Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 1:25 a.m.

    Favorable to immigrants? Why wouldn't anyone be favorable to immigrants?
    Or did they mean illegal immigration? I hate when the survey is not clear.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 11:35 p.m.

    Sounds to me like Mormons are pretty nice people, whether I agree with them on all the issues or not.

  • kargirl Sacramento, CA
    Jan. 11, 2012 11:29 p.m.

    cknott, I'd like to hear what other Saints had to say, too. I have lived in Utah, and while you can always find whatever you're looking for, I was surprised that I found a lot less practicing of the principles I learned when I went there, and so did others. I'm an Easterner by birth and we didn't have many there but we really tried to do the best we could because we were often the only LDS person our friends might ever meet! If they ever choose to repeat this study I hope they just ask for a some stake directories and look some of us up! Unless, of course, they check on who comments on DN....

  • theNashRambler Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 11:23 p.m.

    Now lets get Romney in as President so people can really see how well Mormons can lead yet be compassionate; mainstream yet bold.

    Youtube search "Romney Man" for a light hearted political parody song in ghe style of Johnny Cash.

  • LDSareChristians Anchorage, AK
    Jan. 11, 2012 11:21 p.m.

    56 percent saying that the American people are ready for a Mormon president.

    Interesting how that poll figure matches the 56% who voted for the two LDS candidates in NH the other day.

  • cknott Alpine, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 11:05 p.m.

    Some very surprising results actually! As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints living in Utah just recently I find these statistic insightful and honest...especially about the lack of relevance and adherence to the Word of Wisdom and indecent movies being permissible while still holding a temple recommend. It bares out with my anecdotal experiences of living here in Utah for the first time. I am curious to find out more about the saints living outside of the US and outside of the west.I am glad I was notified about this prior to hearing it on NPR tomorrow or perhaps Radio West (O wait never mind it's favorable to the church, lol):) I must admit that this report was much preferred to hearing ANYTHING about Jimmer what's his name and BYU sports statistics ANY DAY as so called Breaking News!!! :)

  • lds4gaymarriage Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 10:57 p.m.

    I thought it was pretty fair. The only weird thing was 11% believing in reincarnation. What's up with that?

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz Provo, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 10:49 p.m.

    Some interesting stuff. I'm going to guess the plus or minus on the margin of error is right around 11%. Either that or 11% of Mormons don't know what the word reincarnation means. Oh who cares resurrection/reincarnation it's almost the same thing right?? (I'm just joking in case the sarcasm isn't coming through)

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 11, 2012 10:47 p.m.

    %DN Subscriper, The article was favorable to Mormons, what is your beef. It seems some just have a knee jerk reaction to go on the defensive without cause. When one receives a smile it is a good thing to smile back.

  • Straitpath PROVO, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 10:39 p.m.

    This was fascinating. I hope these findings will be a help to the Church.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 10:23 p.m.

    Pew is a notoriously left wing entity. Their sudden interest in the beliefs of the LDS faith surfaces just as a prominent member of that faith is close to winning the Republican nomination for the Presidency.

    Coincidence? I think not.

    And, I am sure the survey will be used to provide excuses for members of other faiths to condemn Mormons, but most especially any Mormon Presidential candidates, as some sort of evil cult members and all the other slanderous nonsense that has been used against members of the LDS faith for generations.

    People might wish that this were a straightforward intellectually honest survey initiated with pure motives and no agenda. People might also wish for unicorns leaping from rainbows, but reality is often different than what we are told.

    Just remember, any Republican nominee of any faith will be a better President than one who sat in the pews of Rev. Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years.