Facts are essential, not surmises and speculations. Muslims are not openly
practicing polygamy enmass in America, JPL. They'd be deported or imprisoned.
Fundamentslist Mormons are. Utah has 35-50,000+ polygamists, with its
neighboring states having anywhere from 10,000-20,000. Amazing that we can
count our homeless, but the "plygs" can't get an accurate census?
(That term coined in the Beehive state.)Re: Breaking laws,
historically, what were the ages and number of Joseph Smith's wives? How many
Church leaders continued to practice polygamy and sealings, and for how many
years after the 1890 Manifesto? And if the 3rd Pres. prohibited it, why was the
7th still practicing it? I'm sixth generation LDS, Willie Handcart
Co. across the plains. I've heard the stories from my grandparents' lips, so I
know the difficulty and devastation it caused. It was the lying and hiding, the
fear of prison, knowing that you were breaking the laws of our land that did the
secondary damage. Emotional jealousy did the primary.Two of my
gr.grandpas did their prison time and refused to give up their families
afterward. Polygamy was never the Garden Plan. Only Joseph and Mohammed ever
Jeffs was convicted of statutory rape, not of rape. The distinction is worth
making if we want to treat rape as the turly horrific crime it is. This is not
to say statutory rape is not a crime, but to say it is one of a different order,
and to act as if is the same as rape cheapens the truly horrific experiences of
those who suffer through rape.
I would say that if anything Texas is being too lenient in suspending Jeffs
privaleges. This was not just hooking up the phone so his whole family could
hear him, it was setting up an actual preaching situation. It was deliberate
and premeditated breaking of the rules, and they are treating it as if it was a
limited and possibly based on misinformation action.I would say they
should have suspended for 90 days with a required approval based on further
study before restroting privalages. Maybe they should have conditioned the
resotration of privalges on his signing a document affirming his intention to
obey the rules.
Quite probably the majority of polygamists in the United States are Muslims, but
it may be that a high enough percentage of them are Hmongs that Muslim
polygamists are not the majority.Utah is clearly not the state with
the most polygamists, and probably not the state with the highest percentage.
Beyond this, Jeffs was sent to prison for sexual relations with
underaged minor females, not primarily for polygamy. On the other hand there is
clear evidence that many men from West Africa in New York City in their 30s are
taking second wives who are 16 or younger, but that city fails to bring
prosecution in the matter.On the question of communications, I think
it is reasonable for the prison officials to establish rules on type and manner
of communication. Cutting off all communication for all prisoners with life
sentances would be extreme, especially since it would limit discipline the
prisons could apply to try to influence such prisoners behavior.While the exact rules Texas has may be too lax or too stringent, I think they
are on the whole reasonable.
Anon 888, Your idea for charging prisoners for their time in prison is
actually implemented in some cases. The problem with billing Jeffs is that he
technically has few assets, most of his assets were held in the name of the UEP,
so they are not as clearly seizable as assets held by an individual.
Who gave us polygamy in the USA? Pleeze! It wasn't Islam. Too little too late
and too many lives ruined because it was allowed to fester underground. Jeffs
is just the tip of the iceburg, so I don't see how any Utahans have a voice in
the problem their lawmakers continue to sweep under the carpet.
Would you like to get it going about the Proper Authority To Teach and Preach in
General, and the Churches Standon that subject.Think Not!!!
Jeffs is not in Jail because of his Religious Beliefs.This Male is
in Jail because he Raped and was convicted of the Rape, of two underage
Females. Where is you outrage. It has nothing to do with Religion. It has to do
with the Law and Rape and what happens to you if you break the law and Rape. Law (and I don't think this is always fair), trumps both Culture and
Religion.If you choose to cover your breaking the law with the Cloak
of Religion, then you still go to jail. Because you committed Rape. The same goes if you do any other crime in the Name of Religion.Leave Religion out of this. Evan in the Abortion Movement I hate
to see the "Sin Debt Crowd Spew there stuff" I can prove anything I
need to prove that Abortion is Murder without the help of any Religion. I mostly
perfer to do it that way because it helps to keep the focus. Now
Jeffs Broke the Prison Rules and there is a price for that Religious or not.If it was teaching self motovation or land sales, same rules.
For those who might criticise the ban, it should be remembered that it is not
who he is talking to, as gullible as that might be, but what he is talking
about. Leaders of any religion can summon up large amounts of aggression for a
community at any time. For example, the middle ages and lets "Burn the
witch". The rules of his imprisonment are clear and Mr Jeffs has broken
those rules and like any inmate must suffer the consquences.
It's about time. Cut off all of Jeffs' contact with the outside world before he
harms more people.
Excellent decision. I can't believe he was allowed to get away with such
behavior in the first place.
Why should the type of phone he calls made any difference? If he were calling me
it would be on a cell phone as we have no land line coming into the ranch house
- none at all. Same with power lines - we are on solar.The man is a
religious leader so what does it matter that he is preaching a sermon to one or
a hundred. This is religious discrimination, nothing more. He is in prison and
persecuted for his religious beliefs.
I don't think he should have any privileges. Least of all, phone privileges.
He has poisoned enough lives. Quit allowing him the means to continue his evil
This "Male" has Victims on the outside, why should he be allowed to
use the phone in the first place. If you are in Max you should get Nothing.23/7 lockdown, double overage on Rec and Showers and the proper portions
only on your Meal Trays, with no exchanges, such as Postem for Coffee.I have never seen a reason to serve Coffee in a Prison anyway and you save
MIllions on the Food Bill.I also think his assets should be attached
to pay his prison bill. Him and everyone else.I don't want it like
some other places where the family has to support the inmate but they should
still get a Bill either at the time of release or the Estate at the time of
Death. With the State getting 1st dibs on any assets.This should be
accross the Board not just Jeffs.The idea that evey Inmate has
nothing is just that an Idea.People paying for being in Prison is an
Idea who's time has come. Should have come a long time ago.I know
most perhaps can't or won't pay but I am not interested in can'ts just the cans.