giantfan,You would be right except that you're forgetting one very
important detail:#2 is better than #1, receiving 0 votes is better
than getting 20 votes, 12 votes, or even 45 votes, #49 is better than #32, etc.
54-10,You're right, it does sting. I can't wait for Sept. 15! What
we Cougar fans can take solace in, though, is that we at least know that BYU
finished the season a better team than Utah. We'll probably finish ranked in the
polls after another double digit win season. All you've got is 54-10 (hence the
little brother need to have it as your username.)
sportsfanforlife,Like I've commented to DevilishUte, I used
Sagarin's rankings because he ranks all 246 FBS and FCS schools together from
top to bottom. I don't know of anyone as or more credible who does. We can go
USAToday, AP, Harris poll or BCS Final Rankings, if you'd like:USAToday:BYU 20 votes (#26)Utah 0 votesAP:BYU 12
votes (#29) Utah 0 votesHarris:BYU 45 votes (#26)Utah 0 votesBCS Final Rankings:BYU #32Utah #49And, in fact, in the 6 computer polls that make up 1/3 of the BCS
Rankings, BYU is ranked higher than Utah in every single one of them (Sagarin,
Colley, Anderson-Hester, Billingsley, Massey, Wolfe).So, as you can
see, I didn't pick and choose a poll to help my point. In fact, every other poll
I look at only confirms my point.
DevilishUte,I'm simply refuting your claim that BYU lost to a
"superior team", which we know they didn't. I quote Sagarin because he
ranks all 246 FBS and FCS schools together and I honestly don't know of anyone
else as well respected as he who does. Maybe there is someone else more
credible, I don't know. Care to share? Anyway, if Utah was or is superior to
BYU, then why are they ranked higher than Utah in every human and computer poll
that I've seen?
crowntown1,I didn't say they weren't. The point is, BYU didn't lose
to any of those teams, or any others that hang around the 100+ ranking. At home,
I love how the 54-10 beat down is still stinging. No matter who lost or beat
whom, 1 thing is for sure.Head to head - 54-10 at LES.
i love how byu fans always use the sagarin ranknings cause it always make them
look better than they actually are hahahaha if the espn rankings or ap coaches
poll was like sagarin then they'd use them as well but notice how they dont...
hmmm wonder why
@alpinecoug tsk tsk hahaha me get a life? really? and your on the boards
responding to everything? so let me et this straight if you're a utah fan and
you comment you need to get a life but if you're a byu fan its ok to comment on
utah and byu articles??? hahahahahahahah you fans are so funny i just laught at
EVERY single thing yall say cause its like listening to a bunch of 6 yr olds.
giantfan,You're missing a critical point in your argument.On 9/17 Jordan Wynn was the Utah QB.In the CO game he was not.Getting beat by 44 is slaughter. Why quote sagarin? We already know
who won in the head-to-head matchup. 54-10."Only one of BYU's
losses was at home. Utah lost three at home, to #40, #46 and #105."Because you were playing a bunch of JV teams at home. No shame in
losing to #40, #46 with a backup QB. The CO game was DISAPPOINTING and still
is, but I bet losing by 44 hurts quite a bit, too. So does the fact that you've
lost 7 of the last 10.
Umm Colorado is still better than San Jose St., Idaho St., Idaho, Hawaii,etc.
DevilishUte,There's no reason for Cougar fans to admit we lost to a
"superior team" because we didn't. We got beat, slaughtered and
embarrassed at home by 44 points to our bitter rival and we have to live with
that ridicule for 12 looooooong months. I accept that. But we did not lose to a
superior team, no way, no how. On Sept. 17, BYU beat BYU more than Utah beat
BYU. That is a fact. And you can't convince me that Utah is and was superior
because that same Utah team lost at home to a horrible Colorado team that hadn't
won a single road game in four years. As poor as everyone wants to say that
BYU's schedule was this year, we don't have one single loss on our schedule as
bad as Utah's to Colorado. Not even close. Fact.To further support
my argument:BYU Losses (Sagarin)#17 Texas#20 TCU#37 UtahUtah Losses#10 USC#36 Cal#40 Arizona
State#46 Washington#105 ColoradoOnly one of BYU's losses
was at home. Utah lost three at home, to #40, #46 and #105.
Alpy Blue,I'll stop talking about the beatdown on your own field by
44 points and the scattering on your fans after the 3rd quarter as soon as you
Coogies admit to the loss (i.e. that you lost to a superior team by A LOT
instead of coming up with excuses and "what-ifs"). You lost and lost
by a SUBSTANTIAL margin. I could see the fluke argument if you lost by a missed
FG at the end or a late score as time expired, but you lost by 44. That is not
a fluke. That is a good ole fashion beatdown.The other way I'll
stop talking about it is after the 2012 game at which point in time I'll discuss
the latest whipping you'll have expereienced.
May we please add DevilishUte to the list of need "to get a life"
commenters.He (and others) keep referring to the Utah beatdown of
BYU earlier this season forgetting that these types of beatdowns sometimes
happen in rivalries. In 2000 and again in 2003, the University of Oklahoma
beat-up on very good Texas teams by scores of 63-14 in 2000 and 65-13 in 2003
and again by 55-17 this year. As recently as 2005 Texas whipped up on OU
45-12.In 2008 Alabama beat up on Auburn 36-0 after Auburn had won
the Iron Bowl for six straight years. Every rivalry has its ups and downs.
Get over it.What goes around comes around. And payback will be
sweet for Cougar fans.
Amen Foolish Child, Amen!!Most of the posts on this article are
extremely child-like and pathetic.Your plea for them to "get a
life!" is dead-on correct. Especially for posters such as
"sportsfanforlife", "duckhunter", "54-10", and
"patriot".Get a life or better yet, get a job. And if
you have a job and are wasting your employers time and money-time to go to work,
rather than spewing hate and venom against your hated rival. This really is
@ares That is twice as good as the pac12's .282
And if it really is a rivalry game the home team is expected to win, not get
drubbed by 44.
phantomblade,You didn't win on 9/17, did you? I recall a 44 point
beatdown. The lil' band o' bros was competing for a NC in the preseason. After
that DREAM ended in week 2 and was completely and utterly over by week 3, the
shift changed to "we'll beat a bunch of JV teams and then we'll call it an
You Independence folk didn't do so well either..500
"Why is it that you have an overwhelming compulsion to spend all the time
you are obviously taking to post on articles that have NOTHING to do with
Utah?"Becuase it's absolutely hilarious to read posts like the
one you did, here.
To all of the UTE TROLLS that post on BYU articles:You say that Utah
is now in a BCS conference and that you were chosen over BYU to join the PAC-12
because your athletic programs are superior to BYU.You say that BYU
is playing a weak schedule and that BYU's decision to go independent is
equivalent to choosing mediocrity and irrelevance nationally.If both
of these statements are true, then why is it Ute trolls can't resist posting on
EVERY article regarding the "irrelevant" Cougars?Why is it
that you have an overwhelming compulsion to spend all the time you are obviously
taking to post on articles that have NOTHING to do with Utah? Could
it be that you are insecure? Maybe your poor showing in the weak southern
division of the PAC-12 exposed the Utes as a mediocre team, and the only way you
can feel good about your team and yourselves is to constantly denigrate BYU? Whatever the truth is, go find something else constructive to do with
your time! Your obsessive interest in our "irrelevant" team is
strange and pathetic. Get some therapy! Get a life!
Bowl results:PAC10.2 2 - 5 vrs MWC 0-1, Big 10 1-1, Big 12 0-3,
ACC 1-0Big 12 6 - 2What does that say about the conference
DevilishUteThere may be more truth to the falling asleep question
than either of us care to admit...
@phantomblade "btw, if you knew half as much as you pretend to know about
college football, you'd know that Idaho State is in the Big Sky, same conference
as Utah's first opponent, Montana State."thats not somethin i'd
be trying to correct someone about LOL especially after all you y fans talked
smack about utah OPENING with a big sky team
DevilishUteBYU played 4 BCS AQ teams this year and 5 WAC teams; but
the real difference between BYU and Utah this year was BYU beat EVERY team they
were supposed to, while Utah laid an egg against one of the worst teams in the
country.Spin it however you want, but there's absolutely no excuse
for Utah losing at home to a 10-loss team.btw, if you knew half as
much as you pretend to know about college football, you'd know that Idaho State
is in the Big Sky, same conference as Utah's first opponent, Montana State.
"Did Alabama complain that it was the grind of playing in the SEC week in
and week out?"Yes, they complain about it all the time. Are you
falling asleep at the wheel, kind sir?And, yes, there is good
football played outside of the major conferences. I never said there wasn't. I
said that the grind and talent of a BCS conference schedule makes it much more
difficult to win on a weekly basis. A PAC-12 schedule is more difficult than a
WAC or MWC schedule.Now that I have seen both - PAC-12 and MWC/WAC
schedules - I wouldn't change being in the PAC-12. Quality competition each week
and intrigue for every game. If that means the Utes drop a game or two along
the way, then so be it.Recall that the Utes went 8-5 with a QB that
shouldn't be playing D-I football and pasted your Cougs. Utah was and is the
better team and has won 7 of the last 10 (another piece of evidence that the
lil' band o' bros is falling behind).
@ Y Grad / Y Dad | 4:17 p.m. Jan. 4, 2012 Richland, WA "Well that depends on if he comes with no sense of team and an out of
control ego."Nice shot at Jake Heaps. Funny how you loved him
when he was the number 1 QB in the country and he was holding press conferences
and promising national championships. Now? Not so much.Typical.
@duckhunter obviously we're not trying to convince you of anything if you cant
even tell what it is hahahahaha.
DevilishUteYour devilish Utes used to make a habit out of beating
those NFL talent laden BCS teams in the bowl games. Did Alabama complain that
it was the grind of playing in the SEC week in and week out?My point
is that there is some dang fine football played outside of the power conferences
and some pretty pathetic football in them. Overall, is the SEC better than the
WAC? Well, duh. Would I like to have some of them bigger better faster
stronger future NFL type players on my team? Well that depends on if he comes
with no sense of team and an out of control ego.
@ DevilishUte | 3:44 p.m. Jan. 4, 2012 Tempe, AZ You mean with
my 2 dad's team playing every lower division WAC team and the worst team in the
Big Sky (Idaho State)?Love how my 2 dads can't talk about BYU
beating anyone, has to talk about Colorado or Boise State victories.Sad really.
Y Grad - It's the weekly grind of playing teams with NFL talent.
It's not one-off examples like your OK example. In addition to having players
that are bigger, stronger, and faster, every team has playmakers. There isn't a
week that can be overlooked (Utah saw this all too well against CO) like the WAC
or MWC schedules. Trust me, I used to think as you do, but now that I've
watched conference games for 2 PAC-12 teams (18 conference games and I watched
some that did not involve Utah or ASU), I can see how the rigors of the BCS
conference schedule wear on teams. By the way, OSU put people in
the NFL last year. Paea, for one. As I said before, I'm not going to go
through each team and list out the talent. It's there and you know it.
Coaching, a team being opportunistic, weather also factor into things but I
would argue that the better coaches are in bigger conferences as well. I was mainly referring to players that get drafted. If you open up the
argument to include undrafted players, even more PAC-12 players make NFL
Sorry. The year that BYU beat Oklahoma...
54-10Not as much as Colorado still stings U. How much did that
failure to show up cost U?Devilish UteYou make your
point in a reasoned fashion, but I still disagree with it. The year that you
beat Oklahoma, they were loaded with NFL talent. Shoot, the last time the Y
beat the U, U had way more NFL talent. How about Colorado, are they loaded with
NFL talent. Hasn't helped them much, present company excepted. Oregon State?
How's their NFL talent?How about Boise State and whichever Arizona
team they kicked around, which team there has the most NFL talent?And by the way, does Max Hall qualify as "NFL talent"?
I got at least 6 angst filled and desperate replies from utah "fans"
on this page alone. Maybe you guys can take up another page trying to convince
me of whatever it is you're trying to convince me of. LOL!
My Two Dads,The biggest difference is that WSU has NFL-caliber
players on the roster. The players are bigger, faster, and stronger in the
PAC-12 than they are in the WAC. You cannot dispute that. In fact, I would
argue that WSU has more NFL talent on their team, alone, than NMSU, SJSU, Idaho,
and Idaho State COMBINED. Just a few examples on WSU. Before Jeff
Tuel got hurt many were saying that he had NFL-type talent. I've seen him play
and he is better than most WAC QBS by a long shot. Even better than Tuel,
though, is Marquees Wilson. He is one of the better WRs in the country and will
assuredly play on Sundays. 1,388 yards and 12 TDsI
could go through the rest of WSU's roster and the other PAC-12 teams and name
players that will play in the NFL, but I doubt that will change your mind. You
want to live in a fantasy land where beating up on WAC teams is an
@ Y Grad / Y Dad | 1:29 p.m. Jan. 4, 2012 Richland, WA and the
54-10 still stings.love it
sportsfanforlife:You will be posting on BYU articles LONG after the
polls come out. So you just proved yourself wrong.just the factsLOL
MLHPuhleeeeze, I grew up around Washington State football, it isn't
as different as you think. All you over-inflated balloons try to
define BYU football by it's most embarrassing loss, but can't figure out the
same logic that defines Ute football the same way. Do you readily admit that
Utah football is bad because you lost to the worst road team in college
football - at home? I know, I know, at least U didn't quit. Hard to quit when
U don't even show up. But that's just it, isn't it? All the
whining and excuse making in the world for struggling back off the floor only to
do another face plant to end your season, yet you are fixated on trying to deny
any progress at all the Y made over the season. Well, we'll see you
in September. Until then it's all just hot air and over-inflated egos over
under-performing football teams.
yeah yeah byu fans i know i know "wait until the polls come out"
hahaha funny thing is NOONE will still care about byu just the
just the facts that average teams dont beat really good teams such as clemson.
or in byu's case sjsu, nmsu, idaho, id st, oregon st (no i dont count them as a
good win for either team, theyre terrible just like byu).
hahah all these cougar fans are trying so hard to convince us that they really
matter to the world when in all reality..... THEY DONT jsut like duckhunter
hahahahah i love how duckhunter thinks anything he says is accurate. well once
again he's WRONG like always. his team is terrible just like his attempts to try
and make them look relevant hahahaha
Y Grad Y DadThe reason why we keep the score in front of you (54-10)
is that all of you cougs think that BYU is a better football team than Utah's,
buddy it's not. You are not better than Texas or TCU. And yes you have 10 wins
and yes you will probably be ranked, great job. But don't think that your wins
over Idaho and NMSU were better than our wins over Arizona and Washington State.
Totally different ball game, totally different athletes, totally different
level of play. Two three years ago I would have been mad and jealous of the y
being ranked and the Utes not. Doesn't even phase me anymore,we have passed you
by and it's just going to get more fun in the future for us.Utah and
BYU are not playing the same caliber of ball. It's just a blast to sit here at
my computer and read the comments guys like you have, that your football team is
at the same level or better. Like I said Totally Different, one thing I'm sure
of, is that it is something you will never understand until you see it in
@DuckhunterSpeaking of embarrassing...You remember way
back two seasons ago when BYU beat Oklahoma and BYU fans danced the night away
in celebrations. BYU was ranked #7 in week three only to be embarrassed by 7-6
FSU @LES 54-28 in week 4? Utah in 2010 got spanked @RES by #2 team
in the nation by a 7-6 team, go figure!What's worse is that 2009 BYU
team was your best team since 1996.
@Riverton CougarHow long did it take you to figure out all of that
stuff. Your SOS was in the 90's, you had a great year. Don't get so worked up.
Please make sure you read what Patriot said, he has a very clear understanding
of what it is like out there. I think it's great you guys won 10 but it is very
clear you have no understanding of the game of college football through the eyes
of a cougar fan. Make sure you watch the NFL draft this year you will see more
PAC-12 players than WAC players being drafted. It's like that all the way
around the PAC-12, you can't believe the quality of football we got to see (ute
fans).USUSan Jose StateIdahoIdaho StateNew
Mexico StateWOW!!! Now I'm Impressed
"Sorry to burst your bubble, but no team that loses to a 10-loss team
deserves to be ranked ahead of a 10-win team, regardless of SOS."Unless, of course, the team that lost the to the 10-loss team beat the 10-win
team by 44 points at home.(yeah, I know it was a fluke.....what ever
helps to justify)
Duckhunter's comments are fueled by years and years of disappointment.
Enough Said! YOu can sanction bowls take scholarships away but we still went
10-2 this year and are preseason favorites to win the NC next year. Most schools
would be crippled by those kind of penalties. The actions of a few 6 years ago
cost today's players. I'm okay with the fact that we are gonna be back and are a
better team for it. So thank you Reggie and OJ! Duck hunter your ceiling is our
@DuckhunterWay to stay balanced- (actually)Utah played a number of
better teams than BYU. Now I'm the balanced one also. You beat one PAC-12
school, one conference USA team, and beat up on the WAC. The Bowl Game was a
great win for the y. Give up the balance you're a homer, be proud of it.
I think what this whole argument here is that rankings are garbage and a playoff
should be played.Duckhunter, what in the world does TCU's 47-7 win
over Utah have to do with anything? Who cares, its in the past just like Utahs
54-10 win over the cougars this year.Rankings are meaningless. There
is not an unbias fan in here that would pick Tulsa over Georgia Tech if they
were to play head to head. If Utah was ranked 34th or whatever it was on the
aforementioned ranking, and GT 50, then with this logic why would GT have been a
3 point favorite?Why? Because rankings are near pointless! The only
rankings that matter in the system they play in is the #1, and #2 teams. Some people keep stating "fact" or so they say. Maybe their
personal facts I guess, but Utah played a more difficult schedule than BYU, lost
the key to the season in Wynn and won 8 games. BYU's key didn't fit in Heaps,
and had a decent year. Both schools competed in most of their games.Good job to both teams.
@clowntown"In accordance with the findings released today by
the NCAA, the University of Southern Californias 2005 Orange Bowl game victory
has been vacated. BCS Executive Director Bill Hancock said.""Among the penalties were a two-year bowl ban, four years of probation,
scholarship losses and removal of several victories. "The
university recognizes that violations of NCAA rules did occur, especially
involving impermissible benefits going to student athletes as well as their
friends and families, from unscrupulous sports agents and sports marketers,
Dickey said. We take full responsibility for those violations, given that they
happened on our watch."The school also will return its copy of
Bushs trophy to the Heisman Trust,"Enough said. LOL!
Ole Miss 2-10UCF 5-7 SJSU 5-7Idaho 2-10Hawaii 6-7Oregon St. 3-9Idaho St. 2-9NMS 4-9Enough said
@sportsfanforlife"@bluecoug go show me ga techs highest ranking
of the year then show me tulsa's then show me tulsa's conference schedule and ga
techs then tell me who is mediocre hahahaha"You remember way
back to last season when utah was ranked #5? They were then exposed in the most
humiliating fashion, 47-7, at home and then went on to be humiliated almost
weekly for the remainder of the season in similar lopsided losses.In
otherwords utah being ranked 5th was not just false but laughably false. Who cares what Georgia Tech "was" ranked, now that we have the
entire season to evaluate them we all know, and the pollsters know, that they
were a very average team. A high early season ranking is meaningless, you utah
"fans" have told us that so very many times. What matters is where you
finish and in this case both BYU and Tulsa finished higher than either utah or
Georgia Tech.Just the facts.LOL!
@BlueCoug: Sorry to burst your bubble, but no team that loses to a
10-loss team deserves to be ranked ahead of a 10-win team, regardless of SOS.---------Sorry to burst your bubble but read your what you
said earlier:Sagarin rankings before the bowls#29
Tulsa#38 Utah#44 BYU#50 Ga TechSeems to me Utah
was ranked ahead when BYU had a SOS 97 but not when SOS 90. Now, if you had a
SOS of 43 you might be ranked in the top 20 rather then waiting for Penn State
@SportsFan: "Overall perception around the country will be that unranked
Utah couldn't win 10 games despite their weak schedule." Sorry
to disappoint you but here's the overall perception around the country about
Utah's first year in the PAC-12:"Still, the initial verdict is
fairly positive. While the grind of Pac-12 play is far different than the
Mountain West Conference, it's clear that Utah can compete in the Pac-12. They
figure to be a long-term fixture in the South Division race." -- ESPN @BlueCougI accepted Sagarin rankings, I congratulate you on
being ranked 3 spots hire even though you had twice as easy schedule. Remember
Dick Harmon said you had a "50-50" chance against TCU, Utah, and Texas
so really BYU should have been playing in a BCS game this year.
motorbike | 5:30 p.m. Jan. 3, 2012 Cottonwood Heights, UT "Overall perception around the country will be that a top 25 BYU ranking
will have come as a result of a weak schedule and a bunch of better teams
beating up on each other... What does it mean? A lot to you I guess, but not
much to most.Sure would be nice to have a playoff system."Okay, fair enough. I think at least half of the value of polls is it
allows people to say how wrong the polls are. And yet, overall MEASURABLE
perception will be that BYU made it in to the top 25. Would I trade that for a
more respectable game against my despised, honorable rival? Maybe even another
over-time win?As hard as it is to say no, Id have to say no. Smack
talk aside, you have to admit that while Sept 17 was the low point of our
season, it was the high point of yours. As Utah fans have repeatedly reminded
BYU fans, where you start doesnt matter, its where you end that counts.
motorbikeOverall perception around the country will be that unranked
Utah couldn't win 10 games despite their weak schedule. The PAC 12 gift-wrapped
the south division for Utah, and the Utes laid an egg against one of the worst
teams in the country when the division title was there for the taking.Utah finishes with a losing record playing 5 home and 4 road conference
games; which makes winning the PAC 12 South next season even less likely. Utah
hasn't had a road win against a PAC 12 team with a winning record since last
Uteology"Utah played a twice as difficult schedule (SOS 43 vs
90) yet is only ranked 3 spots lower than BYU."It's laughable
how Utah fans have no problem whatsoever citing Sagarin's SOS rankings, but
refuse to accept his team rankings. Lower ranking is still lower ranking,
regardless of how you try to spin it. To understand why BYU is ranked higher,
instead of concentrating solely on wins, you should also consider losses.BYU lost to#17 Texas#20 TCU#37 UtahUtah
lost to#10 USC#36 Cal#40 ASU#46 Wash#105 ColSorry to burst your bubble, but no team that loses to a 10-loss team
deserves to be ranked ahead of a 10-win team, regardless of SOS.-----------------sportsfanforlifeYour personal bias
not-withstanding, Tulsa is a better football team than Ga Tech according
Sagarin, the guru of SOS, who, unfortunately for U and despite BYU's SOS, still
ranks BYU ahead of Utah, as will the AP and Coaches polls when they're published
at the end of the season.
@bluecoug go show me ga techs highest ranking of the year then show me tulsa's
then show me tulsa's conference schedule and ga techs then tell me who is
@bluecoug who is sagarin?? nobody but you y fans care about sagarin. how bout
you go tell me who ga tech beat and then who tulsa beat and what conference is
tulsa in and what conference is ga tech in? georgia tech is a much better
football team than tulsa conference and who they actually beat tell it all. haha
actually watch games instead of just guessing who was better if you watched any
game besides byu games you would know that
@BlueCougUtah played a twice as difficult schedule (SOS 43 vs 90)
yet is only ranked 3 spots lower than BYU. With a SOS of 90 shouldn't you have
accomplished your "Quest" by now? BYU will be ranked
for the "quantity" of wins not the "quality". Penn State
will drop out of the rankings so BYU will most likely be ranked. That would mean Utah will have one less win over a final ranked team than BYU
has since 1996, BYU is 2-26 vs final ranked teams. Utah will have 5 such wins
CBS Sports ranks BYU's strength of schedule as the #111 most difficult out of
120 schools. What that really says is only 9 other teams had easier schedules.
It is not difficult to win 10 games when you play 5 games against very weak
competition and most of those games at home in Provo. I believe BYU had 7 home
games this year. Most teams would beat Idaho, Idaho State, San Jose State, New
Mexico State, and Hawaii. On the other hand Utah played 11 BCS opponents. To
come out of that schedule with 8 wins is a pretty big accomplishment.
Brave Sir Robin:Ironically in your attempt to say BYU didn't have
any signature wins, you made one of your signature comments: full of errors,
straw men and double standards. As has been well documented by previous posters.
Brave sir RobinDefinite revision is needed here as bigsoccer has pointed
out... Oregon State lost to BYU as well as did Arizona ...but even I wouldn't
consider them... Pitt...UCLA... or Washington State as signature teams...and
trying to downplay getting beat by the team considered the fifth worst team in
division I...a team that hadn't won a road game since 2007 until they beat Utah
at RES sort of muddies any sense of credibility. Your signature wins were BYU
and Georgia Tech. BYU's was Tulsa and possibly Ole Miss...only because it's
from the SEC the best conference period. A win over Utah State is nice...but
not necessarily a signature win. The final rankings will settle this issue so
until then it's just plain old difference of opinions.
sportsfanforlife"ga tech a mediocre team at best?"Sagarin rankings before the bowls#29 Tulsa#38 Utah#44 BYU#50 Ga TechHow else would you characterize bowl
opponents other than BYU played a good bowl opponent and Utah played an average
or mediocre opponent.And the post game rankings bear that out.Sagarin rankings after the bowls#34 BYU (jump 10 spots)#37 Utah (moved up 1 spot)#39 Tulsa (dropped 10 spots, but still well
ahead of Ga Tech)#53 Ga Tech (dropped 3 spots)Sorry that the
rankings don't support the crimson-colored view of the kids on the hill, but one
game does not a season make.Obsessing about 54-10, while totally
ignoring 14-17 (at home to one of the worst teams in the country), just shows
you're not being honest with yourselves about the overall season.If
a 10-win season is really so insignificant, why has Utah only managed to do it 6
times in their entire football history?
Y Grad / Y Dad -Overall perception around the country will be that a
top 25 BYU ranking will have come as a result of a weak schedule and a bunch of
better teams beating up on each other.To be fair, I'm not saying BYU
doesn't deserve the ranking ... but who would really know when they lost to the
only decent teams they played - outside of MAYBE Tulsa??Most people around
the country don't think twice when teams from outside the BCS are in the top 25
... for good reason.To show my unbiased intent, I readily admit that had
Utah's 2008 team played a BCS conference schedule they never would have made it
to #2 in the country - just my opinion.Conversely, I believe the 2004 Ute
team might have challenged for the national championship given the chance -
again, just my opinion.Bottom line, BYU did pretty well against what was
put in front of them. Meanwhile a lot of good teams played tough games every
week allowing BYU to crawl up the rankings. What does it mean? A lot to you I
guess, but not much to most.Sure would be nice to have a playoff system.
It tells me they lost the game. Do i think that ASU, UCLA or Cal were quality
bowl elegible teams this year? NO! THe Pac 12 has deals with several bowls so
teams like UCLA with a terrible record go to a bowl.
Congrats to BYU for a 10 & 3 season, a few bounces your way and you beat
Texas for 11 and 2. Nice bowl win.Congrats to Utah for overcoming
the loss of their starting QB and clawing their way to a respectable 8 win
season under those circumstances. Nice bowl win!Congrats to USU, you
came up short in the bowl game but the progress the last few years has been
impressive, may it continue into the future.I think these three
teams records will be closer than alot of us may want to beleive next year,
let's hope it's double digits for all!A Utah fan
patriot | 3:44 p.m. Jan. 3, 2012 Cedar Hills, UT ya think?
Their schedule was an embarassment.Sad really.
Riverton Cougar -When are you and some of your similar-thinking
friends going to realize that the win/loss record of Utah's individual opponents
are not comparable side by side to those of BYU's opponents.You might as
well say the Idaho Vandals are on the same level as the Indianapolis Colts
because each team won 2 games this year. So I'm guessing you must also
think BYU would have BEAT the Colts this year ... and by a score of about 42-7,
patriot | 3:44 p.m. Jan. 3, 2012 Cedar Hills, UT"BYU would not have to try and convince people that 10-3 is a good year
had they played decent competition....it goes without saying. Obviously Lance is
embarrassed by the "bo-diddly-tech" home schedule BYU had this
year."We don't have to convince anybody. When the polls come
out next week, that will be good enough for me. Debating with
ankle-biters is just a bad habit many of us can't seem to shake. Just like
being ankle-biters is a nasty habit some of you can't seem to overcome.
@crowntown1, if ASU and Cal should not have been invited to a bowl game, what
does that say for utah that lost to both of those teams?
BYU would not have to try and convince people that 10-3 is a good year had they
played decent competition....it goes without saying. Obviously Lance is
embarrassed by the "bo-diddly-tech" home schedule BYU had this year.
"Winning 10 games is a very hard thing to do. It is a great accomplishment
for any football team."HA!!! Winning 10 games against Idaho,
Idaho St, New Mex St, San Jose St, Utah State ,Hawaii and Tulsa? How hard is
that? Just about any mediocre team with that cotton candy schedule is going to
win 10 games. Sorry Lance but nobody is buying what you are selling ...with the
exception of Dick Harmon. Substitute in USC, Washington, Arizona , Arizona
St,and UCLA and let's see if BYU get's to 10 wins this year. If BYU wants to
play this silly game of powder-puff scheduling at home and then claim a great
year then go ahead but nobody outside of Provo Utah is going to listen.
@sportsfanfor lifeI own you.LOL!
@Old Cougar....Save it for the lds.org posts please! I can't stand
it when people get all preachy on these posts with their high and mighty talk.
Sorry people but God doesn't follow football or any other sports. Isn't it odd
that when the score is tied in the closing seconds and both teams are down on a
knee praying for the victory? Someone has to get the shaft? Religion and sports
need separation or its nothing but a bunch of hypocrites preaching unity then
trashing each other on posts two seconds later.
"Utah's signature wins: Pitt, Oregon State, Arizona, UCLA, Washington
State, Georgia Tech"Pitt: 6-6Oregon State: 3-9Arizona: 4-8UCLA: 6-8Washington State: 4-8Georgia Tech:
8-5Wow, I'm impressed!Some of BYU's wins:UCF: 5-7Utah State: 7-6SJSU: 5-7Hawaii: 6-7Tulsa:
8-5So, each team beat 2 teams with winning seasons; Utah beat BYU
and Georgia Tech; BYU beat USU and Tulsa. Also note that at least 2 of Utah's
"signature wins" are worst than some of these teams BYU beat.Let's look at the loses for BYU:Utah: 8-5Texas: 8-5TCU:
11-2And for Utah:Colorado: 3-10ASU: 6-7California:
7-6Washington: 7-6USC: 10-2Newsflash: BYU didn't lose to
any 3-10, 6-7, or 7-6 teams. In fact, they beat them. It seems that USC is
comparable to TCU. So, Utah's only impressive wins are against 10-3 BYU and 8-5
Georgia Tech, but lost to some pretty bad teams. BYU's impressive wins are
against Tulsa and USU, but have no loses against bad teams (unless you consider
Utah a bad team).Utah fans like to trash BYU, but BYU makes Utah
look much better. On the other hand, BYU only beat "nobodies", but
unlike Utah, they didn't lose to any "nobodies". What is worst, not
beating the "somebodies" or losing to a nobody?Keep in
mind that BYU's 1984 season of "beating nobodies", as Ute fans would
say, was still more impressive than Utah beating Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. The
difference was one team was awarded a National Championship, the other wasn't.
@ Still Blue after all these years; The signature win was not BYU but the
Sun Bowl that has been played for 74 years with the prime time schedule, top
announcers, national CBS coverage and a lot of heart to come back for the win.
Georgia Tech was 29-2 when leading after three quarters. That was some good
press there pardner and a SIGNATURE win. Kyle Whittingham is 7-1 in bowl games.
You can tell the good programs by the assistant coaches that get offers ,
Kyle replaces them and the Utes keep winning. He does not fire the entire
staff, go surfing in Mexico for two weeks, and then have his coaches re
apply. 7/8 bowl wins are all signature wins as the press has a great time
with Utah in a game.
Their bowl record is bad because some of the schools that were invited shouldn't
even be in a bowl i.e. UCLA,ASU make a case for Cal as well. SC is elegible than
it's another W. Stanford lost to a good OK St im OT and Washington as well.
Let's not get carried away.
People please grow up. BYU is only going to be average from here on out. They
will lose to those they should and beat those they should.Utah will
win a marque game or two now and again but also stumble against some horrible
team just as often. Take away Oregon and USC, Standford will drop some next year
and the PAC 12 is worse than the Big East, look at the Bowl Records this year.
Stop the hate both teams let their fans down or you wouldn't be
trying to hype them up so much. Get use to years like this more are
on the way. Quit thinking you are top ten programs. Both are between 30 and 40
somewhere that's it.
Enough already about the inaugural season for BYU independence. What looms
ahead is the second season (2012). Truly a test for the Cougars under the
tutelage of H.C.Bronco and O.C. Brandon Doman with a noticeably improved
schedule. Coaches will REALLY have to "go big or go home" in 2012. Go
@duckhunter and to say byu was their signature win HAHAHAHAHA yeah right and to
say byu is the only "good" team they beat is a joke. byu is not good
haha. you call ga tech "mediocre at best" and byu good? dude you just
officially made me look at you like you have no idea whats goin on in the sports
world outside of provo ut hahaha. you officially have zero credibility on these
boards after those comments. thanks for proving yourself once and for all
@duckhunter dude are yuou relly that clueless? ga tech a mediocre team at best?
did you even watch them play this season or are you just one of those clueless
fans that think everyone byu plays is better than mediocre. fact is ga tech
wasnt a mediocre team, far better than tulsa. go look at the win/loss column for
both teams then come on the board and look foolish atleast do some research
first. go tell me where ga tech was ranked most of the season compared to tulsa.
i already have the answer ready so dont try to play mne like a fool.
@Old CougarSounds like college football in the United Order. I love
it!I wish you well in your New Year's resolution. Good luck with
A 10 win season is nothing to put down. Congratulation to BYU for beating the
teams they were supposed to beat which, we as Utah fans know all too well, is
not always an easy task. I think there is a similar feel to both the
BYU and Utah seasons this year. Both ended up the season a little bit worse that
we had hoped. Both had QB issues that will continue to linger into next year.
Both competed on a larger stage than we had been religated to in years gone by.
Both were left with a bit of "What if". Both had pretty darn good
years if we are all honest with ourselves. Any way you look at it,
college football in the state of Utah is great entertainment. Both Utah and BYU
have reason to be happy but not content with the season. Both teams have plenty
of talent back next year to make a run at their respective goals. Here's to a great 2012. Good luck to both the Utes and Cougs.
My only wish is that the Cougar Nation would be truly honest with themselves and
wake up to realize a 10 win season against a cupcake schedule isn't that
impressive.Bring back the Cougars of old, when they strived to get
good solid teams on their schedule.Sorry, I just don't see it.A 3 game Bowl streak is also unimpressive when you play in the NIP
" Nobody Important Bowl" Come on Bronco, get Mr. Holmoe on
the right path.
In my church we have just begun a course of study for the year 2012. One of the
points presented was a listing of "11 ideals."Ideal # 9
states: "I would overcome the tendency to selfishness and jealousy and
rejoice in the successes of all the children of my Heavenly Father."
(GAS)Congratulations to Utah on having completed a successful
football season.Congratulations to BYU on having completed a successful
football season.Congratulations to USU on having completed a successful
football season.Congratulations to Weber State on having completed a
successful football season.Congratulations to SUU, Dixie State, and Snow
College on impressive wins.etc, etc, etc.This year I will try
to remove pettiness from my thinking. I will rejoice in victory; will agonize in
defeat, but hopefully never put anyone down for trying/giving up/losing.Let's us all think/comment on a higher level and enjoy all successes
which so many people have worked so hard to achieve.
Even basketball is over for the spinsters on the hill... Maybe we should just
fast forward to um, silence? Do I hear silence? do I hear let's simply not talk
again until September 15th? I second that notion! Silence until September 15th.
Oh, and just the truth of this post is that football isn't over until a week
from today after Alabama has crushed the dreams and hopes of the over hyped yet
galaxies better than U LSU tigers.
Perhaps no signature wins but also to that is added NO signature LOSSES! On the
schedule of either basketball or football you do not as of this day see even one
loss by the Cougars to a team with a losing record... And, BCS credo is not
credit for justifying a loss... A loss is a loss is a loss is a loss.... This
said... Beating Hawaii in Hawaii with the rivalry like it is is a bigger than
most wins against teams with losing records. But, no where near as humiliating
as losing by 3 at home to a 2-10 team going into it that improved to 3-10 with
that win. Further, at least the Lady Cougars don't outscore our men on the
hardwoods as the Lady Utes did on Saturday in Colorado. Men lose 74-33 Women
lose 58-52...... What does this say? It says that totally unrelated it is the
Laughingstock Stumble in the Rockies in this new rivalry between Boulder and
Duckhunter | 9:07 a.m. Jan. 3, 2012utah's one and only "signature
win" this year came against BYU, the only good team they beat.-------------And BYU's one and only signature win? Utah State!
They proved it by storming the field.
Football is over. Let's talk basketball.
If you say it and print it enough, you just might start believing it.Sad.
"It would have been much better if the Cougars had won the 50-50 chance
games that turned into their three losses."___________________I don't have any problem with Harmon making the above comment, but if
you're going to make that comment then make the following one as well. Something
like this;"... of course it took two miracles at the end of the USU
game to steal that victory and another miracle at Ole Miss, meaning the Cougars
were likely much closer to being an 8-5 team than they were to being an 11-2,
12-1 or 13-0 team."Notice I didn't mention the good fortune they also
had against Tulsa (last second victory) and Central Florida (interception with
the ball on the Cougar 10 with 3 minutes left that would have tied the game.)
But those games could more accurately be put in the "50-50 chance
games" then the Utah and TCU games as Harmon tries to imply. Now Texas,
that's a better argument.Bottom line, most logical thinkers would say BYU
was much closer to 6-7 then they were to winning "50-50 chance games that
turned into their three losses."
Brave Sir Robin | 8:59 a.m. Jan. 3, 2012 San Diego, CA "Utah's
signature wins: Pitt, Oregon State, Arizona, UCLA, Washington State, Georgia
TechBYU's signature wins: Tulsa, Utah State"Really? BYU
also beat Oregon State, oh Arizona and UCLA, and Washington Stated are not
signature wins, they are very bad football teams
As weak as TV coverage smack is, it cracks me up that Ute fans use the fact
their bowl game was on CBS as evidence it was the "better" bowl game.
Just one question for all Ute fans who use this argument: What channel are ALL
the BCS games on, including the national championship?
Lance Reynolds doesn't know what he is talking about. BYU players have big
mouths. I could tell Bronco has been saying stuff like this all season, even
though they play joke teams all season.
As a life long Cougar, I confess to being disappointed this year. We had a ton
of starters returning and much optimism as the season began. We knew we had
some patsy's on the schedule but given the first year of independence, I did not
mind that. But in the big games, I don't think Bronco had the team ready to
play. Perhaps against Texas, but not really against Ole Miss, and certainly
not Utah and TCU. We can do better, we should do better and I am hopeful we
will do better.And to the silly Utes that keep coming on here - why?
yes, you beat us this year. We admit we did not even show up. But that WAS
your signature win and if you keep telling us how bad BYU is, then what does
that say about you? It will be interesting to count the votes in the final
polls; from unbiased observers. Basketball? Oh, that's right,
I keep forgetting, the U is a one sport school.
@ Uteology I agree"it would have been much better if the
Cougars had won the 50-50 chance games that turned into their three
losses"Utah pounding the Y into the turf at RES with a score of
54-10 and was the biggest beat down in 89 years --- and that's a 50/50/ game
? ROTFL !!! With their tender schedule it would like being
proud to have beaten a third grade student in Scrabble.@ Duckhunter
How do you get away by addressing Sir Robin as cowardly ? That is what I
thought of you after the disappearing you pulled act after the game on Sept.
17th. and @ RES no less. Don't call people names and degrade them, this is
sports and the columns aren't here to feed your ego.
Um, Robin how is it Oregon State at home is a signature win for Utah, but
beating them on the road isn't for BYU? Did you forget about that one?
Personally, I don't think the win for either team qualifies. Wins against WSU,
Arizona and UCLA are signature wins? Way to set the bar high! Combined
conference record of the PAC teams Utah beat? 12-24! And I thought Utah was
big-time! And Pitt? Really? Beating a team that is in the PAC 12 or any other
BCS conference does not automatically qualify as a signature win. Or, maybe it
Utah's case I guess it is.
@ Brave Sir Robin:Did you seriously put a home victory over Oregon
State in Utah's signature win column, but leave a road victory over Oregon State
off BYU's signature win column?Very lame. If you're going to come
on to the BYU football comment boards talking smack at all things BYU, you
should at least have grenades in your arsenal; you're dropping pop rocks.
It usually takes at least 3 years to put together a respectable schedule...and
all things considered for BYU suddenly going independant and having to fully
start from scratch...to even put together a schedule at all let alone as decent
one as it did in such a short time is in itself an accomplishment. Of course
the ESPN partnership had a lot to do with this accomplishment and will be
essential in the ensuing years to come as well. There is no doubt we will
continue to see great improvements over this first year's schedule...which
btw... already is...coming about. It wasn't the greatest admittedly...but it
could have been a lot worse. The good thing is that the next couple of years
will see even better schedules...and most... as was the case this first
year...will be nationally televised...which for those truly unable to grasp the
true significance...is the principle reason for going independant in the first
"It would have been much better if the Cougars had won the 50-50 chance
games that turned into their three losses." -- Dick HarmonHow
did BYU have a 50-50 chance against TCU? The same TCU team that has owned BYU
the last 4 years (0-4). That game was over by halftime.Against Utah
even if you take away Utah's points scored on TOs we win by 14 points. Utah 7
of last 10.Face the fact, BYU got exposed when they played the only
good teams on their schedule.
I think this illustrates the problem in the BYU football program. Too many
people think "pretty good" is good enough. No one at Alabama, LSU,
or other top programs would say that 10-3, while loosing to your only tougher
teams, was something to be proud about. Or would they say that fielding a team
with a quarterback that can't throw effectively was a mark of success? Most
programs work 7 long days a week during the football season, BYU coaches, we
are told, work a much shorter week. That is fine, but how do they compensate
for less effort...maybe by taking satisfaction in being "pretty good"
instead of being great.
@cowardly robin"Utah's signature wins: Pitt, Oregon State,
Arizona, UCLA, Washington State, Georgia Tech."With the
exception of Georgia tech, which is at best a mediocre team, all of those other
"signature wins" are crappy teams. Every single one of them. So if
utah's "signature wins" came against crap teams with losing records
then you probably shouldn't be bragging about them.utah's one and
only "signature win" this year came against BYU, the only good team
What was Utah's signature win? We all know who BYU's and Utah's signature
losses were...Weak schedule, weak schedule, weak schedule. Just
watch when the final rankings come out, and then stand in your corner alone and
keep repeating: weak schedule.And Riley raggers, your assignment is
to re-watch the Tulsa game and only listen to what Andre Ware had to say about
Riley play by play. If your point of view doesn't change, it will only be
because you have a mind like a steel trap: shut tight and mostly air.To compare Riley to the top 5 quarterbacks and then say he won't beat top 20
competition is disingenuous. Even with a sub-par game (Andrew Luck has them
too) he beat a team that would have ended up in the top 25 if we hadn't beaten
them and taken their place.Next season DOES get tougher, but not
hugely so. One more tough team and all tough teams on the road. 10 wins would
be good, 11 would be awesome, 12 would be incredible, and 13 is a way tall order
- but doable.
@Mountanman (sp?)You still don't get it, do you?The
Colorado Buffaloes go in Utah's loss column. Did you forget? Utah LOST to
Colorado. We're talking about signature WINS.Utah's signature wins:
Pitt, Oregon State, Arizona, UCLA, Washington State, Georgia TechBYU's
signature wins: Tulsa, Utah StateThe morale of the story: When you
play a bunch of nobodies and beat all of them, you've still beaten nobody.
@ Sir Robin. The only teams who defeated Tulsa in 2011 were ranked in the top
ten, except for BYU. Puts that win in the signature win column doesn't it? What
column do the Colorado Buffaloes belong in?
The season's over. Yes, the schedule strength was not exactly the kind that
makes for bragging rights but it was still 10 wins and a great accomplishment by
the kids that we can all be proud of. Much is made of the so called powerhouse
schools and their successes but we often failed to realize that all the best
athletes go to those schools year in and year out so there's a huge discrepancy
between them and the rest of the schools as far as talent is concern, and that
gives them a huge and unfair advantage. Does anyone think that if BYU, or any
other school for that matter, would not be successful if they too can get the
kind of top notch athletes that schools like Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma, Ohio State,
USC, etc., get? I think they would. In fact, the perennial bottom dwellers in
those same powerhouse conferences would also have a chance to shine like their
top dogs if they too could get the same type of talents. I have no doubt about
that.Go Cougs! Can we win another NC with so called choir boys?
Well, why not? Let's aim to make it happen.
@Mountanman (sp?)Nobody is disparaging the WAC. They are
disparaging BYU.You're absolutely right that BSU (a WAC team) beat
down Utah in the Vegas Bowl. This was the same Boise State team that beat the
#6 team at their place (Virginia Tech). Boise was very good, and the fact that
they were in the WAC didn't change that.Boise had a signature win in
2010. Again, what was BYU's signature win in 2011? Was it Utah State? Tulsa?
Tell me...enquiring minds want to know.
I don't know why so many Utes deparage the WAC. Wasn't it just last year when a
lowly WAC team (BSU) game the Utees and through beat down in their bowl game?
Life is "compared to what." Compared to what BYU would
have had in the Mountain West, independence is preferable. Having Wyoming, New
Mexico, UNLV and Colorado ST vs. Idaho, ISU, NMS, and SJS is a coin toss. All
mediocre to bad teams.Next year the schedule improves and winning 10
will be a much greater accomplishment.As to the best players...
Riley is a gamer, no question. But, not a polished top flight QB. After watching
Luck, Weeden and a bunch of other QBs, it's clear what Riley (and Jake) were
missing. Again, glad Riley was around, but we can't expect much from him against
top 20 programs.I'll be happy with 8 wins and pleased with any win
against the better teams.
BYU is a respectable program. They do a lot right as far as I can see, but
winning 10 games with their schedule is not all that impressive. If you drop
Idaho, Idaho State, New Mexico State, and San Jose State, what do you have? What
is BYU's signature win?