On that last second pass Nelson to Hoffman to beat Tulsa I leaped off the couch
screaming (like everybody else)! Next day I went to the hospital for quadruple
heart bypass surgery. Are the two related?? I'm fully recovered now.
@Rockwell"Based on your logic, Colorado(3-10) is a better team
than Utah."***********Okay, perhaps our new rival is
better.But, in the end Utah beat a big boy team in a big boy bowl
game while Colorado sat home and BYU was relegated to a third tier bowl game
with a Friday morning start time.
@TrueBlue Do some research?Okay, Nebraska was on the 20
yard line not inside the 5 like BYU.Inside the 5 if you have the big
boys you man up and ram it down their throats.That is, if you trust
your big boys, if not you trickerate.
@Howard S. "Oh, and about trickeration... if you are inside the
5 yard line and the game is on the line, if you trust your big boys you run it
up the gut."I would suggest doing a little research about
college football history before spouting such nonsense.Google:
Nebraska vs Miami 1984 Orange Bowl - FumblerooskiThe play was ranked
#28 on ESPN's Top 30 Plays of the Last 30 Years.btw, the only thing
riding on the play was a possible NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Howard S.Unfortunately for U, overall seasons aren't based on a
single game.Utah beat UCLA, but UCLA won the PAC 12 South.Utah beat BYU, but BYU will finish higher in the Sagarin, AP, and Coachesbtw, does 17-14 sound familiar to you? Do remember your new rival from
east of the Rockies? Based on your logic, Colorado(3-10) is a better team than
Utah.Your argument about goal line trickeration is simply a silly
fantasy; lots of elite teams use such trickeration at the goal line. If you knew
anything about football, you'd know that.
@RockwellTry to keep up my friend. It was Uteanymous who tried to
credit BYU with a more relevant bowl victory because their opponent had a higher
Sagarin rating.You suggest BYU is stronger because of a higher
Sagarin rating.I prefer head to head match ups to determine
supremacy.Does 54 to 10 sound familiar?Oh, and about
trickeration... if you are inside the 5 yard line and the game is on the line,
if you trust your big boys you run it up the gut. If you don't
trust your boys, you do trickeration.
Earth to Howard S.Maybe we should give some kind of reward to #90
Kansas for finishing with the #1 SOS.Sorry to blow a gaping hole in
your SOS story, but the MOST important ranking in Sagarin's rankings appears in
the first column:#34 BYU#37 Utahlol at your silly
"when trickeration counts" fantasy; you're really grasping at straws
Hey, Howard, I'm ticked off right along with you, bro! Dog gone weak cougars
with a weak schedule and yet their gonna slip and slide and worm their way into
the top 25, darn 'em! By beating another nobody team that was also almost top
25.Couldn't have done it against a mighty BCS team, no matter how
bad some flea-bite, back-water polls think they are, or Utah either, for that
matter.In fact, if two BCS teams are playing in a BCS bowl, doesn't
that make it a BCS bowl???? I pretty much think it does, Howard.
Wayne Rout So I should be able to buy your season tickets next year
at a discount? You won't want to let them go, because after one more season of
Riley, you can go back to the games. Let me know...MiPNo, BYU had used it's last time out. I've watched that play about 15 times
now (hey! It's me!), and yeah, that's pretty much the way I saw it.
Uteanymous | 11:31 a.m.Let's see, where to begin...Comparing opponent's Sagarin ratings? Do you really want to go there?According to Sagarin at 90th, BYU had one of the weakest schedules in the
country. 6 WAC games will do that for you. Utah's SOS was 43 and no PAC 12
team had an SOS higher than 45.As for trick plays, it's what you do
when the game is on the line and you don't think you can beat them mano a mano.
Thus, BYU goes to trickeration.When the game is on the line and you
think you're the better team, you call an 8 yard run up the gut. It's what big
boy football is all about. Utah lucky? If lucky means you have a
better team then I guess you have a point. If the GA Tech's kicker was better
he would have made the kick. He wasn't better and he didn't make the kick. No
spin there. Utes win.
Howard S.BYU beat #29 Tulsa in regulationUtah beat #50
Georgia Tech in OTBYU's bowl win moved the Cougars up 10 spots in
Sagarinwhile Utah's bowl win barely moved the Utes up 1 spot in
SagarinUtah fans are becoming just as ridiculous as the other power
conference elitists in their misguided belief that conference affiliation is
sole determining factor in how good an individual team is.btw, I
counted at least a dozen trick plays run by Utah in your so-called mano-a-mano
matchup.Utah was simply lucky that Georgia Tech's kicker doinked his
kick outside the uprights while Utah's kicker doinked his kick inside the
uprights, or the Utes never would have had a chance of getting to OT.But don't let facts get in the way of your spin.
Puh-leaze Dick...Reynolds wasn't even in traffic. In the open field
without a helmet he pushed a guy down. Big deal.As for Nelson,
consider this... He had to resort to trickeration to beat a CUSA team. Big
deal. Utah on the other hand beat the ACC by lining up mano-a-mano,
man to man, and ran straight ahead for 8 yards.
Wayne in El PasoHum you live in El Paso ? How many tickets do you
I can't help but ask: Why no mention of John Beck to Johnny Harline in the
endzone when listing great BYU plays from years past? I can understand leaving
out the Collie "answered prayer", but how can you leave out Beck's
scramble for Harline's benefit?
I am sure that Bronco & Company would agree that Nelson is responsible for
the win. Here's the problem, the game should not have been close at all. A
QB that can throw would have had the Cougars up by more than two scores near the
end of the game. Riley's thinking, such that it is, worked this time. I went
to the TCU game which is the best example of Riley's play and potential. We
have to put up with the guy one more year. Don't bother buying tickets.
I believe Arynen is correct about BYU getting 3 in the top 10 the Friday of the
USU game. ===="I would much rather watch a bowl that
matches higher ranked teams, regardless of the payout."So I'm
guessing you'll be glued to the Penn St.-Houston game, and since it matches up
teams ranked around ~20th, it wuold narurally follow that it would be a better
game than Tulsa-BYU...Right.====Quit calling this the
Nelson "fake spik" play, Dick. No comparision with the Marino play.
I'm not convinced anyone actually thought Riley Nelson would actually spike the
ball, considering it was third down, and they still had a time-out. Hoffman's
man was simply beat---not because he was suckered by that "spike".
howard sI hate to burst your BYU hating, crimson bubble, but BYU's
memorable plays in a supposedly "meaningless" victory against a C-USA
opponent in a less prestigious bowl, JUMPED BYU from 44th to 34th in Sagarin;
meanwhile Utah's OT win over an ACC team in the "prestigious" Sun
Bowl, barely raised Utah from #38 to #37. Bottom line: BYU's victory
over previously #29 ranked Tulsa was MUCH more impressive than Utah's victory
over previously #50 ranked Georgia Tech.Pre-Bowl#29 Tulsa#38 Utah#44 BYU#50 Ga TechPost-Bowl#34 BYU#37 Utah#39 Tulsa#53 Ga TechIt's interesting that the
lowly Independent/WCC Cougars are ranked #34 in both football and basketball;while the "mighty" Utes are ranked #37 in football and #326 in
basketball.After all of the chest-pounding about being in the
"conference of championions", Utah is proving that they really don't
Ernest - What's a VCR?
Goll this is so neat. I will probably always remember these really neat plays
for a long time. and watch them on my VCR a lot.
I struggle with those who still find bad things to say about Riley after that
game on Friday. How could a Cougar fan or a Ute fan or an Aggie fan find
anything bad to say about Riley the person or the player after Friday's game? He
plays with the desire and the ability to win. Congratulations to the Cougars and
to the Utes and to the Aggies! It was so close to being a sweep this year. Next
year hopefully will be the sweep. Once it is bowl season, I reserve the right to
cheer for all three teams. Before then, it is always Utah State hey Aggies all
the way. Oh and by the way, in case anyone out there is wondering, we are pretty
much obsessed with Riley the person and Riley the player in our house. Those who
hate him, don't know him. It is a pleasure to watch him on the field and in
The red alert play will have to be removed from the playbook, or at least
renamed. However, future opponents won't be fooled so easily.However, the big thing we learned from this game is that Riley Nelson is
already up there with Max Hall in ability to outthink the other team to gut out
a win. With another year of Nelson at the helm BYU should be able to have some
other great plays in the treasure chest.
re: Howard S. - If the Armed Forces Bowl is a third tier bowl, does that make
the Sun Bowl a fourth tier bowl? Armed Forces Bowl matched up a couple of teams
ranked about 30th. Sun Bowl matched up a couple of teams ranked about 50th.
And before you give me the standard Utah line that the Sun Bowl pays
more, let me share with you that how much the bowl pays is meaningless to me
(and most fans) since I don't get a cut. I would much rather watch a bowl that
matches higher ranked teams, regardless of the payout.In reality,
both the Armed Forces and Sun Bowl were great games this year, for anyone who
appreciates good football and is not just a hater, spewing negativity.re: Patriot - please try to use at least a little bit of objectivity.
Hoffman's stats are mostly ahead of Austin Collie's sophomore year. Hoffman is listed first, Collie second.Receiving yard - 943,
946Kick return - 879, 723Passes caught - 61, 56Avg yds / catch
- 15.5, 16.9TD's - 11, 7
Patriot your comments are becoming pathetic and shows how very little you know
about what the Pro Scouts are looking for. They are looking for someone who will
catch 90% of the balls thrown at him, regardless of how accurate. Can you say
the same about your Christopher. What QB has he had to throw to him, yet he
makes the catches he needs to. Many of the naysayers, which may
have included you, from Utah belittled Cody Hoffman signing with BYU saying that
he came from a no name school which could only play 8 man football and he must
not be very good because no D1 school offered him a scholarship. Please get a
clue before you make more silly comments. This way you won't look so silly on
paper.Howard S I would not comment with your team loosing to a
pathetic Colorado team and almost qualifying for the Championship game with your
sorry record in the PAC 10 +2. I thought it was great for both BYU
and Utah to win. Both won in dramatic fashion.
@Howard S.Do you ever have anything positive to say?
I find it funny how all the Riley haters like to point to how horrible he
played, granted not his best day on the grid iron.Nonetheless, he
still managed to gut it out and take a courageous shot at the win and get it.This was all reminiscent of the 80 Holiday Bowl Hail Mary toss that Jim
took in the closing seconds of that storied games finish. I like
how Dick has connected the dots of BYU's terrific nail bitter game finishers on
ESPN.I see why ESPN loves the BYU football program.
Re: Howard SMeaningless to whom? The game had great meaning for
me, a 10 win season, third bowl victory in three years, played an excellent
Tulsa team...got to watch all 13 games this year either in person or on TV.
Sorry to read you are unable to enjoy the show; but that's OK. At least you got
to see memorable football, you'll be able to see more excellent football as you
continue to watch BYU in 2012.You can now watch some real good BB
games in the WCC...where I'll be able to watch all of BYU's games in person or
on TV. Loving the Indy, WCC route selected by BYU.
Riley is smart, gutty and brave enough to take the chance and go for the win.
Nice article Harmon. Dick you must be living up to a New Year's
resolution to fallow up on your sources before you print a story about a Nelson.
Memorable plays in a meaningless victory against the CUSA in a third tier
bowl.It's the stuff of BYU lore.
patriot: Have to disagree. Even without a "QB to throw to him" he is
getting plenty of catches and yards. Next year should be even much better. The
key will be Apo. The defenses wont be able to double Hoffman with another threat
like Apo on the other side. Beautiful!
Patriot- I disagree. Hoffman has great hands, and uses them to
catch the ball. If you look at how he positions himself against defenders, and
how precise his patterns are, and how good his hands are, I think there are a
lot of teams that will be interested.
Cody Hoffman is a great athlete and receiver but he won't get much of a look in
the NFL because he doesn't have a QB to throw to him. Can you imagine Hoffman
with Hall or Beck at QB?? Too bad.
"To my knowledge, this is the first time in BYU's storied football history
two plays made the Mother Ship's (ESPN) Top 10 the same day."Actually, BYU made 3 of the top 10 earlier this season. If I remember right,
it was something like 6, 2, and 1, and it was against USU? It helped that it
was a Friday night game. :-) I probably have the wrong game, but we did have
Yup, Dick is correct about these plays being memorable like years past.I felt compelled to quote 'Mater from Cars, " I don't care who you
are,... That's just fun!".Good job Cougars!