Nelson comes through in crunch time
LEDSFW | 12:27 p.m. Dec. 31, 2011 Las Vegas, NV ContinuedHe's as much to blame for the TCU loss as Riley #2. People forget! Special teams, especially the punt team, had a hard night. Riley #1
made some serious mistakes, but also some incredible plays that kept us in the
game. Without him, it would have been another Utah style massacre.It was a good win for BYU. Nelson is not a real quarterback, blinders off.
Weak inaccurate arm, happy feet, runs into sacks, slow at decisions, he's simply
not BYU's answer next year. Hopefully BYU sees what every analyst sees, he's not
even Tim Tebow. He is gritty, love him, but not a BYU QB.If you mean
every analyst sees that he is not Tim Tebow, Ill grant you that one. His arm is
good, getting better, his happy feet have saved more games than theyve lost, he
runs into FIRST DOWNS when we desperately need them, his decisions are sometimes
faulty but they do NOT seem to be slow, and next seasons competition will
determine if he is the man or not.Hope you see what every analyst
LEDSFW | 12:27 p.m. Dec. 31, 2011 Las Vegas, NV ContinuedNelson is still an anomaly, good season statistics, unbelievable number of
mistakes. Players around him turn awful into good fortune. The horrible plays on
the last USU drive (the McKay reception and the TD should have been pics).
Again, I must disagree with you on both plays. The McKay reception was in no
danger of being intercepted. Incomplete perhaps. McKay did a great job of
catching the ball, but no mistake on Rileys part. And the touchdown WOULD have
been a pass interference, had it not been caught. Again, no threat of an
interception.Most of us recognized you win lucky at times. But
Nelson has been bailed out time and again by something akin to blarney stone
reality. And how do YOU explain this? Magic happens? Righteous living? Or
perhaps you fail to give him adequate credit.
LEDSFW | 12:27 p.m. Dec. 31, 2011 Las Vegas, NV So many things
wrong with your post. As an analyst and a writer, Im disappointed.That's the only positive thing to say about a poor performance against
statistically one of the worst defenses in the NCAA. And yet, two games in a
row, Tulsa played some aspect of their game entirely differently than
previously. The entire offense was stymied, not just the qb.He made
so many mistakes its hard to find the positives. Actually, Andre Ware, the ESPN
analyst, called it correctly on two similar plays. The overthrow to Apo, Ware
pointed out that when Riley looked off the safety to give Ross more room, Ross
mistakenly slowed up. When the pass came his way, he was two steps out of
position for a perfectly thrown, long pass. And in case you think I am reading
too much into that play, the next drive touchdown pass to Hoff, Andre noted that
Riley opened up the defense with his eyes.
I wonder if Tulsa has removed play action and any other deception plays from
their playbook. But, when you are going to criticize the LDS or BYU, even a
legitimate football play will do.
lasermann | 10:31 p.m. Dec. 31, 2011 Orem, UT "Say what
you want about Riley, but he wouldn't have lost to Utah by 44. And his courage
and toughness inspires his teammates to play harder. Think Reynolds would have
picked himself up off the turf, run across the field and blocked helmetless for
Jake Heaps? I don't."He wouldn't have gotten the chance. The
former starting QB couldn't extend a play like that.
No miracles would have been needed if Riley had not dug a hole for the y with
his poor play for most of the game. I, for one, can pass on Nelson's version of
Utah State South.
Just got back from Dallas this morning and had a great time.@LEDSFW"Blah, blah, blah."Who cares what you
think? Just win baby. That is all I ever care about. Just win the game. Nothing
else matters in the least unless you are some self proclaimed poindexter trying
to tell everyone why we shouldn't be happy with a winning performance. Most of
us really couldn't care less if Nelson isn't a great qb. It doesn't matter if
all the "analysts" LOL like you claim to be "don't have the
luxury of fawing over" Nelson. He won. That is all most of us really care
windsorThat's got to be one of the most pathetic posts at smack I've
ever read. Come back when you actually know something about the game of
Say what you want about Riley, but he wouldn't have lost to Utah by 44. And his
courage and toughness inspires his teammates to play harder. Think Reynolds
would have picked himself up off the turf, run across the field and blocked
helmetless for Jake Heaps? I don't.
"Riley Nelson; king of the 11 second drill!"Now if they
could only coach up Sunshine to be "king" of the rest of the game as
well . . . .
Riley Nelson through the winning touchdown against the USU Aggies with 11
seconds left.Nelson hit Hoffman with the winning touchdown pass against
Tulsa with 11 seconds left.Riley Nelson; king of the 11 second
What football is supposed to be ugly, brutal and full of bluff's and fakes what
game are you people talking about ?Riley played a c+ game for the
first 3 quarters and was able to put together an A+ rally to win the game.Man folks do you all know the meaning of looking a gift horse in the
mouth.Gratitude is a virtue and I appreciate Riley's last drive
efforts that resulted in a win, a real ugly football win.
As an analyst, I do not have the luxury of fawning over below average or luck.
As I and other writers and analysts have suspected, much of the Riley Nelson
bandwagon is filled with highly vocal people who either know him, his family or
have followed his career because of his prior school affiliations. Scouts don't
care. Scouts see a lot of negatives and one intangible positive that works for
him against weaker defenses...he has guts and grit. Nelson's got
the mental toughness you MUST find in great quarterbacks. Unfortunately, for
50-55 minutes of most games, you realize he is simply not very good at all.
Look, you cannot argue with wins and success. But you cannot argue that his
skill set is weak, his decision making poor, his execution 90% of the time is
suspect. You can love a player for the attitude with which they play. That does
not excuse his actual play x play inadequacies. I think his almost
unabashed naive support is terrific, seeing it in Denver as well. He is not
developing into big-time championship caliber player. That is reality. He's
smart, will have a great other career, not in football.
Hey Windsor, so what? Who's Jake Heaps? Hoffman is the man! Riley finds a way
to win no matter what. Kind of like his little brother in the state 4A game.
Won in the last moments after a lackluster game by half Nelson. Almost the same
stats as Riley in that game.Great job Cougars. Who's Jake Heaps?
He for sure wouldn't have won that game.
Fawning over Riley Nelson's performance on the last drive doesn't change
reality. That's the only positive thing to say about a poor performance against
statistically one of the worst defenses in the NCAA, a C-USA team to boot. He
made so many mistakes its hard to find the positives. To his credit, he strung
enough skill and LUCK together to pull out a victory, Noted! Nelson
is still an anomaly, good season statistics, unbelievable number of mistakes.
Players around him turn awful into good fortune. The horrible plays on the last
USU drive (the McKay reception and the TD should have been pics). Most of us
recognized you win lucky at times. But Nelson has been bailed out time and again
by something akin to blarney stone reality. He's as much to blame for the TCU
loss as Riley #2. People forget! It was a good win for BYU. Nelson
is not a real quarterback, blinders off. Weak inaccurate arm, happy feet, runs
into sacks, slow at decisions, he's simply not BYU's answer next year. Hopefully
BYU sees what every analyst sees, he's not even Tim Tebow. He is gritty, love
him, but not a BYU QB.
I couldn't disagree more on the complaint regarding Bronco's t-shirt. It
emphasizes that Bronco and his players are, like the shirt says, a Band of
Brothers, united in a cause.That means a lot more than some pretty
shirt with no message and no meaning. And t-shirts aren't a violation of the
honor code. Three straight bowl victories, multiple 10-win seasons, great
recruiting ... let the man wear what he wants!
No more play action passes for BYU. That might deceive the opponent's defense.
No more pump fakes, no more check offs, no more audibles and no more trick
plays. In fact, so BYU can observe the honor code of being honest, they should
telegraph every play to the defense! Sarcasm!
@ 17-14What does this article have to do with Utah? Since you
brought it up, how's that 54-10 smack down feeling?
Riley played well when he needed, but the defense is the one that should be
congratulated. Holding Tulsa to 21 is very impressive. Most people in the
state of Utah just don't appreciate defense in any sports, so it never gets its
credit. Congrats on the win.
Just win, baby! Big, big difference between Nelson and the starting QB he
replaced-- Nelson is a winner (not a whiner) and does what needs to be done to
win. He calls the fake spike play on his own- that is clutch and a QB who is
very comfortable with who he is on the field. Amazing!
It never ceases to amaze me how BYU fans can have such negative attitudes about
winning. It's just a football game!
@3grandslams - "Really? That's the best Tulsa fans can come up with? Or is
that the best you could come up with as a Utah fan?The comment came
from Tulsa World columnist Jimmie Tramel, and was more dejected tongue-in-cheek
than serious. His opening lines read: "Honesty is among things required
by BYU's Honor Code. Trickery is apparently permissible. And that was bad for
Tulsa."His column is anything but an indictment of BYU players
not living the Honor Code, but rather a lament of what could have been for Tulsa
in a game which Tulsa kept close.In fact, he paints a very nice
picture of Sunshine's gritty improvisation on that last play to audible out of
the spike and throw on a Tulsa defensive player that had already caught more
passes from Sunshine than anyone other than Hoffman.
@ windsor-So...according the supposedly "Tulsa" response,
Tulsa was wrong to have thrown a backwards pass to their Receiver who then
"tricked " everyone by throwing a forward pass to different
receiver.I will give more credit to Tulsa Fans than that response
being from them. The people I have heard from who went to the game
had only complimentary things to say about the Tulsa fans.Y Grad/Y
dad is spot on again.Go Cougars!
Great win Cougars!Next year I hope Bronco realized wearing a dirty
looking T-shirt is not very impressive. The grunge look is not cool. Students
at BYU can't dress like that and neither should coaches.
re:windsor--Really? That's the best Tulsa fans can come up with? Or is that the
best you could come up with as a Utah fan?
Way to go Cougars! Defense gets the game ball. Van Noy is awesome! To hold the
Tulsa offense way below their averages was awesome. Great coaching Mendenhall.
Big, big season next year. Independence keeps getting better and
better. Nice inagural year.
@WindsorHmmmm. Was that a Tulsa fan's comment or yours... It is was it is. A game is about preparation, training, ability, talent,
strategy and plain luck sometimes.Tulsa's coach and players failed
to prepare for the unexpected.That one play kind of exemplifies
Utah's lack of preparation for the worse team in the conference showing up to
play the game of their lives, doesn't it?
Sure it was ugly. But football wasn't designed to be pretty. And
misdirection/fake hand-offs/ trick plays in a football game are now honor code
violations? On who's planet? That has to be the silliest thing I've read in
"Having lived in Tulsa . . . couldn't win the game on their talent . . .
against their own Honor Code . . . resorted to trickery and deception . . .
."Um, deception is part of game strategy. I'm sure Sunshine
also faked a handoff earlier in the drive and rolled out to pass instead. Then
there was that fourth down play where Sunshine dropped back like he was going to
pass, but ran with the ball instead." Oh, and I suppose that
late in that last drive, Tulsa defensive linemen could be overheard telling the
referee who was trying to speed up the post-play action, "I'm trying to get
up, ref, but this ball carrier won't get out from underneath me."
I have not learned much about what is really wrong with college football( a
great deal!) reading these comments, but a great deal about the mind set of
people who simply dislike something. For Y haters in Utah, an 0-10 record would
have the same explanations as a 10-0 record. Why bother with details. I know
most of them are kids, but out here in the world they come across as boring,
So what was so "dishonest" about the fake spike? Doesn't every player
"fake" moves and things all the time? When a receiver runs out, does
he not fake one way and go another. Doesn't a lineman fake a block and let a guy
through the line on a screen play? Some people's minds are so
screwed up that I wonder if they ever went to school. Or maybe it is that they
are just so filled with hate that they can't see straight (see some of the ute
troll comments on other stories).Nelson may have had a bad game but
let's not hold that against him. Remember that we have spring practice and the
coaches will be looking at everyone. They know our weakness and will be looking
to fix the problem given the talent they have and the teams we will be facing.
Congrats to the Cougars on a gutsy win. BYU's defense was outstanding. Well
done. The fake spike was a great call and well executed.Happy New Year.
Glad we got a win against a team with a winning record, now that makes 2! Riley
was not good today, plain and simple. Completed 42% of his passes, threw 2 picks
and a few others that were taken away by penalties or stone hands. I hope we can
temper the expectations a little for next year. We will be good, but I keep
hearing what if Riley would have been in all season...? We would have had the
same record, thats what would have happened. Riley rallied us because his poor
play put us in that situation anyway. Great game by Hoffman, the kid is a freak.
CougarBlue, Cody did save Riley. You can put the ball there, but Nelson puts it
behind them, over them, low etc. Hoffman is just a vacuum and sucks up
everything. Nelson just sucks it up!
windsor | 7:19 a.m. Dec. 31, 2011 "Having lived in Tulsa, where
there is not a lot of love for Mormons, you know what I'm hearing about how the
Cougars managed a win?BYU couldn't win the game on their talent and
football abilities--so, going against their own Honor Code pledge of being
honest--they resorted to trickery and deception of faking a spike to pretend to
stop the clock."I gotta admit, I had the same thought--for
about 3 seconds. But the two plays immediately prior to that, the tacklers held
on the our ball carriers after the play for as long as they thought they could
get away with it. The first irked me a little, but the second one sent me
ballistic.So after about three seconds, my next thought--serves you
right!I know, not the way I want to live my life, but I didn't let
it spoil a great moment.
I chuckle at IndianaCoug who says Cody and others saved Riley. What he and
others fail to accept is that they could not save Riley if he had not thrown the
ball there in the first place. What nonsense they spew. Yes, it was not his
best game, but Tulsa made it tough. That is the difference between him and
Heaps. Riley is a scrapper and Heaps thought you could just throw perfect
passes and it would happen. This game needed a scrapper and he came through.
Loved the block by Matt Reynolds, without his helmet. Gutsy play.
It's great to win a game, especially a bowl game as it is the game that carries
us through until the season begins again next year.Everyone is
touting we won 10 games and three straight bowl games, which we did, but we also
have to temper the excitement with the stark reality of who the wins came
against. Sure we were unbeaten in the WAC, but it was the wac. And the last two
bowl game wins were against teams we should beat everytime. Tulsa and UTEP are
not exactly world beaters in College Football.The run game against
Tulsa was not good, Riley, even though he directed the game winning drive, was
not good. The smallish size of Tulsa's D gave our O-Line fits with their speed
and completely shut down the running game and forced Nelson into some horrible
throws. As the schedule continues to be upgraded, we must continue
to upgrade the level of play as well. Not as many cupcakes on the schedule next
year, so I'm hoping a consistent run game can be developed and better O-line
play overall will be seen next year.The D looks good, the guys
leaving won't be missed too much, as the expected replacements look legit. That
side of the ball looks promising, but Tulsa made the offense look suspect.
Seriously we scored just before half on kind of a gift from Tulsa and used
trickery at the end to win. Not exactly what we can expect going forward as a
formula for winning consistently.
Great victory for the Cougars. I love Riley's grit, however, Ithink Tulsa really
showed some of his weakness as a qb. Next years opponents will watch this film.
You can't teach tough and Riley is tough.
The 'comeback' kid does it again! Thanks Riley, we knew you could rally the team
to this victory.10-3 for the season and a good chance to be in the
Top 25, not too shabby for the inaugural independent season, especially compared
to the other team that went the other direction.Thanks Riley for
providing the leadership and gutsy play that earned you the QB position this
season. Who knows what would have happened had you not prepared so diligently.
You made the difference this year and BYU remains in the national
spotlight because of your and the team's efforts. I'm sure all Cougar fans
appreciate this very much.Congratulations to you and the team. It
was an enjoyable season and we look forward to a better schedule, stronger
opponents and your leadership next season!Now off to a winning
season in basketball!It's great to be a Cougar fan!
I remember Max Hall running the same fake-spike against air force a few years
ago at the end of the first half. It really was a great, gutsy call... Even if
it's incomplete you still have 10-12 seconds to get off two more plays. Of
course it wouldn't have been so low risk high reward if that had been his third
interception rather than his third td... I think that was the only
time all night that Riley had the defense on their heels, but to his credit e
took advantage of it and made it count when he had to. Thanks for a great
Having lived in Tulsa, where there is not a lot of love for Mormons, you know
what I'm hearing about how the Cougars managed a win?BYU couldn't
win the game on their talent and football abilities----so, going
against their own Honor Code pledge of being honest----they resorted
to trickery and deception of faking a spike to pretend to stop the clock.
She may have looked ugly at the beginning of the date. But at the end, she
looked pretty dang good!! Good job Cougs, way to fight for a win!
Great story which vividly illustrates why Riley moved ahead of Jake as the
Cougar quarterback.As a graduate of Utah State, I was not pleased
when Riley defected to BYU during or after his mission, but congratulate Riley
and the BYU Cougars for a very impressive ending to a hard fought football game.
Had BYU not won this game, Deseret News would not even have this on the front
page (see St. Mary's beating BYU Men's Basketball, never heard a peep)!!
Proud of my Cougars! 4 10-win seasons in 5 years is an amazing accomplishment.
Can't wait for next year!
Great play by the team and a great play at the end. Seniors really played well
and Reynolds showed his grit and determination even without his helmet!
Nice quality win Cougars.Typical Riley. Ugly but effective.
We will need the momentum going into next year's road games against Notre
Dame, Boise State, Georgia Tech and the final rivalry game with Utah. Have fun
with the Rumble in the Rockies Utes.