Teaching about HIV/AIDS in churches

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  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Dec. 29, 2011 10:10 a.m.

    @Bill in Nebraska;

    Whatever your "Lord" defines is between your "Lord" and his followers.

    Those of different persuasions are NOT obliged to follow the rules of your "Lord". You are. Nobody else.

    It is 'immoral' behavior to try to force others to adhere to your beliefs when your beliefs are based on the superstitions of barbarians.


    Expecting GLBT people to adhere to your version of "morality" does actually "drive them to marry under false pretenses". Have you ever stopped to think how religious expectations drive our (including your) daily lives? People will do almost anything to be accepted. Marrying the opposite sex, just to be accepted and fit in, is just one of those things.

  • Bill in Nebraska Maryville, MO
    Dec. 28, 2011 8:50 p.m.

    I am LDS 2 and he is right as it isn't mentioned in teachings of the LDS Church. It is taught though as a result of immoral conduct such as sex outside of marriage which as defined by the Lord is marriage between man and woman. Personally I believe it is a curse upon the earth for the immorality that is abundantly clear. However, with all curses it does fall upon innocent people who did nothing to deserve the disease other than being in the wrong spot at the wrong time.

    If the teachings of the Lord were held to by all there would be no need to teach that immoral acts cause STDs, which HIV is. Once the Lord returns then like all major diseases it will disappear, only to return after the millienium.

  • Southern California Redondo Beach, CA
    Dec. 28, 2011 3:13 p.m.

    "Pagan", are you actively LOOKING for excuses? BobP got it absolutely correct. "Drives people to marry under false pretense." That's just funny and so wrong.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 27, 2011 12:53 p.m.

    '...HIV is a result of immoral conduct.' - BobP | 12:07 p.m. Dec. 27, 2011

    And it is attitudes like that...

    that drive people to marry a woman under false pretense.

    That keep gay men in the closet, and helps drive them to cheat on their spouse.

    How 'moral' is telling someone they are a sinner when they are x11 months old?

    Answer: It is not.

    Ryan White. Contracted HIV through a blood transfusion. Is he 'immoral' as well?


    But people choose to sit in judgement, rather than trying to ADDRESS the issue at hand.

    Monogamy, and having safe sex is crucial for combating the spread of HIV.

    Which is NOT being done by some 'examples' of higher morality.

    Kim Kardashian, x72 day marriage.
    Britney Spears, x55 hour marriage.
    Bristol Palin, child outside of marriage.
    Arnold Schwarzenegger, 10yr old son with women OUTSIDE of his wife.
    Newt Gingrich, 3rd wife.

    Where are the claims of 'morality' there?

    Strangely silent.

  • BobP Port Alice, B.C.
    Dec. 27, 2011 12:07 p.m.

    When all is said and done, except in a very few cases, HIV is a result of immoral conduct.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Dec. 27, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    @Joan Watson;

    "While it is true that Aids has crossed over into heterosexual lives from the homosexaul community..."

    Are you aware that AIDS first occurred in Africa somewhere in the early 1900's from eating bushmeat? NOT from homosexuals. It spreads, in Africa, mainly through heterosexual sex. The first cases of AIDS appeared in France among the heterosexual/prostitute community. It is NOT a 'gay disease' (though it was among gay men in the US that it mostly affected here). I seriously doubt you know very many women infected by their 'closeted' husbands.

    The GLBT population is approximately 2-5% of the total population. The majority of HIV/AIDS cases in Africa (and growing in the Asian nations) are among heterosexuals. It is a growing problem because MEN feel entitled to have Uuprotected sex with women even after they know they're infected. They also feel entitled to have a wife and as many mistresses as they can manage. Just read a few articles on the subject of HIV/AIDS across the world.

    Your response was extremely bigoted, btw. I hope you realize that.

    @I M LDS 2;

    My cousin, who died of AIDS was LDS. The virus doesn't care.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 27, 2011 11:29 a.m.

    'All I know is you don't hear anything about AIDS/HIV in the LDS Church, except people suggesting it is a "curse" and punishment for "sin"...' - I M LDS 2 | 11:13 a.m. Dec. 27, 2011

    More's the pity.

    A disease does not CARE about you religious beliefs.

    One of my examples would be:

    Brryan Jackson (1992, St. Charles County, Mo.)

    Brryan Jackson contracted HIV when he was just x11 months old.

    To claim he was a 'sinner' and therefore somehow 'deserved' to get infected with HIV is...

    1) Should be negated with the claim of 'Original Sin' and 2)...

    one of the reasons the rhetoric needs to stand aside to factual prevention methods.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Dec. 27, 2011 11:13 a.m.

    All I know is you don't hear anything about AIDS/HIV in the LDS Church, except people suggesting it is a "curse" and punishment for "sin", and that righteous people don't get it.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 27, 2011 11:05 a.m.

    '...by creating an atmosphere where people, can be themselves.' - Pagan | 10:45 a.m. Dec. 27, 2011

    I apologize. This should read:

    'creating an atmosphere where people canNOT be themselves.'

    i.e. Joan Watson | 10:31 a.m. Dec. 27, 2011 points out that gay husbands cheat on their wives and spread HIV.

    While, I do not think it is EXCLUSIVE to homosexuals who are repressed and cheat on their wives (ergo my example of heterosexual Newt Gingrich cheating in his spouse)...

    what could we do to prevent this?


    Could we, stop being AGAINST gay monogamy and promote a life-long monogamys relationship?


    *'LDS Church's in-kind donations to Prop. 8 total $190K' - By Lynn Arave - By Dsnews - 02/03/09

    'Proposition 8 was a ballot measure in California last November that changed the state constitution to restrict the definition of marriage to opposite-sex couples and eliminated same-sex couples' right to marry.'

    Forcing people to live lies, marry under false pretense, encourages cheating.

    And cheating, having muiltiple sex partners, encourages the spread of HIV.

    Encouraging monogamy, marriage, factually REDUCES the risk of Sexually Transmited Dieases or STD's, like HIV.

    Good day.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 27, 2011 10:45 a.m.

    'To Ranchhand - you wrote there are more heterosexuals infected world wide with Aids than there are homosexuals infected. Where do you get this info?' - Joan Watson | 10:31 a.m. Dec. 27, 2011


    'Heterosexual contact was the most common way people contracted the disease, (HIV) according to a 2009 survey. About 38 percent of people contracted the disease this way.'

    - The. Article!

    Due to the sheer number of heterosexuals they, by default, become THE number one distributor of the disease.

    Your quick rebuttal shows how insutling it can be to be labled as 'responsibile' for this disease, does it not?

    Your speculation is just that, speculation. If homosexuals make up less than 1% of the population...

    how can responsibility for this disease lay at our feet?

    Answer: It cannot.

    Adultery, is not a only a lgbt issue:

    *'Gingrich Says He Cheated on His Wife' - AP - Published by NY Times - 03/09/07

    Promoting monogamy, WOULD in fact help with less partners and less infection.

    How sad then, that many work to keep smeone in the closet, and PERPETUATE the exact scenrio you are describing...

    by creating an atmosphere where people, can be themselves.

  • Joan Watson TWIN FALLS, ID
    Dec. 27, 2011 10:31 a.m.

    To Ranchhand - you wrote there are more heterosexuals infected world wide with Aids than there are homosexuals infected. Where do you get this info? While it is true that Aids has crossed over into heterosexual lives from the homosexaul community, all, of the women/wives whom I am aware who have Aids, were infected by their closet homosexual husbands. You are right in that Aids has become a disease that is life threatening and a tragedy to too many, but please realize that if what you have stated is true, then consider that unsuspecting/innocent wives, and babies multipy because from the one who was the infector.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Dec. 27, 2011 8:59 a.m.

    HIV/Aids is not simply a "gay disease". There are far more heterosexuals infected world wide than there are homosexuals infected. Africa has a huge problem with the disease and it's on the rise in China as well.

    Whether or not it's a curse is beside the point. I commend these churches getting involved in fighting the problem. The more you know...