@Bill in Nebraska;Whatever your "Lord" defines is between
your "Lord" and his followers. Those of different
persuasions are NOT obliged to follow the rules of your "Lord". You
are. Nobody else. It is 'immoral' behavior to try to force others
to adhere to your beliefs when your beliefs are based on the superstitions of
barbarians.@SoCal;Expecting GLBT people to adhere to
your version of "morality" does actually "drive them to marry
under false pretenses". Have you ever stopped to think how religious
expectations drive our (including your) daily lives? People will do almost
anything to be accepted. Marrying the opposite sex, just to be accepted and fit
in, is just one of those things.
I am LDS 2 and he is right as it isn't mentioned in teachings of the LDS Church.
It is taught though as a result of immoral conduct such as sex outside of
marriage which as defined by the Lord is marriage between man and woman.
Personally I believe it is a curse upon the earth for the immorality that is
abundantly clear. However, with all curses it does fall upon innocent people
who did nothing to deserve the disease other than being in the wrong spot at the
wrong time.If the teachings of the Lord were held to by all there
would be no need to teach that immoral acts cause STDs, which HIV is. Once the
Lord returns then like all major diseases it will disappear, only to return
after the millienium.
"Pagan", are you actively LOOKING for excuses? BobP got it absolutely
correct. "Drives people to marry under false pretense." That's just
funny and so wrong.
'...HIV is a result of immoral conduct.' - BobP | 12:07 p.m. Dec. 27, 2011 And it is attitudes like that... that drive people to marry
a woman under false pretense. That keep gay men in the closet, and
helps drive them to cheat on their spouse. How 'moral' is telling
someone they are a sinner when they are x11 months old? Answer: It
is not. Ryan White. Contracted HIV through a blood transfusion. Is
he 'immoral' as well? No. But people choose to sit in
judgement, rather than trying to ADDRESS the issue at hand.
Monogamy, and having safe sex is crucial for combating the spread of HIV. Which is NOT being done by some 'examples' of higher morality. Kim Kardashian, x72 day marriage. Britney Spears, x55 hour marriage. Bristol Palin, child outside of marriage. Arnold Schwarzenegger, 10yr
old son with women OUTSIDE of his wife. Newt Gingrich, 3rd wife. Where are the claims of 'morality' there? Strangely silent.
When all is said and done, except in a very few cases, HIV is a result of
@Joan Watson;"While it is true that Aids has crossed over into
heterosexual lives from the homosexaul community..."Are you
aware that AIDS first occurred in Africa somewhere in the early 1900's from
eating bushmeat? NOT from homosexuals. It spreads, in Africa, mainly through
heterosexual sex. The first cases of AIDS appeared in France among the
heterosexual/prostitute community. It is NOT a 'gay disease' (though it was
among gay men in the US that it mostly affected here). I seriously doubt you
know very many women infected by their 'closeted' husbands. The GLBT
population is approximately 2-5% of the total population. The majority of
HIV/AIDS cases in Africa (and growing in the Asian nations) are among
heterosexuals. It is a growing problem because MEN feel entitled to have
Uuprotected sex with women even after they know they're infected. They also
feel entitled to have a wife and as many mistresses as they can manage. Just
read a few articles on the subject of HIV/AIDS across the world.Your
response was extremely bigoted, btw. I hope you realize that.@I M
LDS 2;My cousin, who died of AIDS was LDS. The virus doesn't care.
'All I know is you don't hear anything about AIDS/HIV in the LDS Church, except
people suggesting it is a "curse" and punishment for
"sin"...' - I M LDS 2 | 11:13 a.m. Dec. 27, 2011 More's
the pity. A disease does not CARE about you religious beliefs. One of my examples would be: Brryan Jackson (1992, St.
Charles County, Mo.) Brryan Jackson contracted HIV when he was just
x11 months old. To claim he was a 'sinner' and therefore somehow
'deserved' to get infected with HIV is... 1) Should be negated with
the claim of 'Original Sin' and 2)... one of the reasons the
rhetoric needs to stand aside to factual prevention methods.
All I know is you don't hear anything about AIDS/HIV in the LDS Church, except
people suggesting it is a "curse" and punishment for "sin",
and that righteous people don't get it.
'...by creating an atmosphere where people, can be themselves.' - Pagan | 10:45
a.m. Dec. 27, 2011 I apologize. This should read:
'creating an atmosphere where people canNOT be themselves.' i.e.
Joan Watson | 10:31 a.m. Dec. 27, 2011 points out that gay husbands cheat on
their wives and spread HIV. While, I do not think it is EXCLUSIVE to
homosexuals who are repressed and cheat on their wives (ergo my example of
heterosexual Newt Gingrich cheating in his spouse)... what could we
do to prevent this? Hmm...? Could we, stop being AGAINST
gay monogamy and promote a life-long monogamys relationship?
Marriage? *'LDS Church's in-kind donations to Prop. 8 total $190K' -
By Lynn Arave - By Dsnews - 02/03/09 'Proposition 8 was a ballot
measure in California last November that changed the state constitution to
restrict the definition of marriage to opposite-sex couples and eliminated
same-sex couples' right to marry.' Forcing people to live lies,
marry under false pretense, encourages cheating. And cheating,
having muiltiple sex partners, encourages the spread of HIV.
Encouraging monogamy, marriage, factually REDUCES the risk of Sexually
Transmited Dieases or STD's, like HIV. Good day.
'To Ranchhand - you wrote there are more heterosexuals infected world wide with
Aids than there are homosexuals infected. Where do you get this info?' - Joan
Watson | 10:31 a.m. Dec. 27, 2011 From: 'Heterosexual
contact was the most common way people contracted the disease, (HIV) according
to a 2009 survey. About 38 percent of people contracted the disease this
way.' - The. Article! Due to the sheer number of
heterosexuals they, by default, become THE number one distributor of the
disease. Your quick rebuttal shows how insutling it can be to be
labled as 'responsibile' for this disease, does it not? Your
speculation is just that, speculation. If homosexuals make up less than 1% of
the population... how can responsibility for this disease lay at our
feet? Answer: It cannot. Adultery, is not a only a lgbt
issue: *'Gingrich Says He Cheated on His Wife' - AP - Published by
NY Times - 03/09/07 Promoting monogamy, WOULD in fact help with less
partners and less infection. How sad then, that many work to keep
smeone in the closet, and PERPETUATE the exact scenrio you are describing... by creating an atmosphere where people, can be themselves.
To Ranchhand - you wrote there are more heterosexuals infected world wide with
Aids than there are homosexuals infected. Where do you get this info? While it
is true that Aids has crossed over into heterosexual lives from the homosexaul
community, all, of the women/wives whom I am aware who have Aids, were infected
by their closet homosexual husbands. You are right in that Aids has become a
disease that is life threatening and a tragedy to too many, but please realize
that if what you have stated is true, then consider that unsuspecting/innocent
wives, and babies multipy because from the one who was the infector.
HIV/Aids is not simply a "gay disease". There are far more
heterosexuals infected world wide than there are homosexuals infected. Africa
has a huge problem with the disease and it's on the rise in China as well.Whether or not it's a curse is beside the point. I commend these
churches getting involved in fighting the problem. The more you know...